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https://medium.com/@StuartxThomson/ernest-hemingway-and-the-art-of-phony-manliness-d91116421cb1#.9ih4fh8yl

>> No.9176889

>>9176840
"Manliness" is a social construct and inherently problematic--especially in white males.

>> No.9177465

>le phony manliness compensation cliche
Read Joyce's comments on him. He thought that Hemingway was actually more masculine than his persona.

>> No.9177484

>>9176840
Hemingway wrote about dealing with a fragile or broken masculinity. How is it remotely interesting to point out that he may have had some firsthand experience with same?

Lots of people enjoy hunting, fishing and whoring without it being a persona, btw.

>> No.9177526

>>9176889

No, it, much like gender and sex, are biologically pre-dispositioned due to hormones.

Manliness, this "social construct" you speak of, is derived from the hormone testosterone which makes one more aggressive, strong, and risk taking. The drive to become dominant is inherent in all males, some in society falter, mostly due to bad parenting and the lack of a strong father figure. Another result of a weak male is actually modern society, which would completely refute your white male lie. The more society is refined, the less threats there are from physical harm.

Therefore, the most belligerent men who wish to become the "most manliness" come from tribal people, nomads, and primitive communities where the hierarchy is purely based on respect through physical dominance, and the ability to use a sound mind during high stress situations.

Go somewhere, tumblrlord.

>> No.9177530

>>9177484

18-25 year old Millennials are terrified at the idea of someone being not trans/feminine.

It scares them, and makes them afraid of the outdoors. That's why they have developed safe spaces and neo-facist politics damning anyone who acts like a normal human being.

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9177548

>>9177530
holy fuck

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9177557

what was the most masculine book by hemingway?

>> No.9177624

im embarrassed to admit i've only read a book of his short stories. what is the best place to start reading Hemingway's novels?

>> No.9177632

>>9177624

The Sun Also Rises/ The Old man and the Sea

>> No.9177647

>>9177624
Why would you bring that up? You ruined your chances of becoming a public figure.

>> No.9177735

>>9177632
oh shit i forgot i read the old man and the sea.
so "the sun also rises" it is.
thanks anon

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9177752

Men of /lit/, would you consider yourself "manly"? You may define the term however you like.

>> No.9177755

Can you believe that there are still people out there that dont know that Hemingay was an in the closet homosexual that probably fucked pablo Picasso

>> No.9177810

>>9177755
this is even hotter tbqh

>> No.9177848

>>9177752
no.

>> No.9179556

>>9177647
top milkdude

>> No.9179568

>>9177755
Hemingway dated that one really boyish dyke looking chick, so I wouldn't surprised if him and fitzgerald had drunk angry sex after fighting about how each other's writing sucks worse than their hand jobs

>> No.9179653

>>9177557
For Whom the Bell Tools
There's nothing manlier than blowing bridges and fucking bithces

>> No.9179659

>>9177526
>I'm naturally a dominant alpha
>Its societies fault I'm a weak faggot

Sure thing brah

>> No.9179683

>>9177752
Nope. I was raised by a single mom, never stood a chance.

>> No.9179690

>>9177526

This doesn't make sense.

You can't say that gender and sex are not social constructs and also say that manliness is not at the same time.
You are obviously just not separating these 3 things as they should be.

Sex is the biological aspect.
Gender is the cultural/intellectual aspect.
"Manliness" on the other hand is a matter of perception.
It is defined by how other people think a typical male should be.
Pretty much by definition it is a social construct
Think about it like this if you were the only man who ever existed would you ever think to describe yourself as manly? No, obviously not. Manliness only exists as an antithesis to something else and that something else exists where else but in human society.

>> No.9179910

>>9179690
Stop trying to argue with easy baiters.