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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TtKBWU2fhY

>> No.9168718

Zizek is fantastic on occasions,huh.

>> No.9168724

>>9168718
Yes, he has little snippets of being able to see through the bullshit in a very acute way.

>> No.9168734

some fag

>> No.9168739

>>9168701
Hard to argue with this when you look at /pol/

>> No.9168769

Could we stop giving this hack attention?

Psychoanalysis should die, his days are numbered

>> No.9168773

>>9168769
>Psychoanalysis should die, his days are numbered

I don't think you understand psychoanalysis, bud. Freud never claimed it was truth or objective truth, only a means by which to interpret the world and a use of therapy.

In other words, >>>/r/eddit

>> No.9168776

>>9168739
Or SJW/antifa
>lets save the world from the evil fascist white men! Lets bring justice!
>dude firing up trash cans lmao
>dude vagina blood painting lmao

>> No.9168779

>>9168776
Both groups are pathological.

>> No.9168786

>>9168773
Doesn't matter what Freud says, what matters is that it's bad.
Unfortunately such a thing as critical theory still exist. We must hasten its demise.

>>9168773
>In other words, >>>/r/eddit
Reddit is exactly the type of place in which different opinions get silenced. Sounds like it would be more your kind of place to be honest.

>> No.9168787

>>9168779
But one of them is engaging a lot more on physical violance... guess which one :^)
Protip: is not /pol/tards

>> No.9168791

>>9168787
this is high grade eristics

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>>9168787
Pussyhole nigger-faggots

>> No.9168796

>>9168787
Cringe post

>> No.9168798

>>9168718
He is always fantastic, the problem is that you oafs for some reason expect him to give some kind of "practical guide" on how to fix the world, or get all triggered by him calling himself communist "b-but why isnt he killing richfags he not real gommunist"
Just watch his Charlie Rose interview and try to actually read some of his books

>> No.9168799

>>9168786
>Reddit is exactly the type of place in which different opinions get silenced. Sounds like it would be more your kind of place to be honest.

then goes on to say

>Unfortunately such a thing as critical theory still exist. We must hasten its demise.


Really makes ya think...

>> No.9168803

>>9168791
>>9168792
>>9168796
Geez, chill out

>> No.9168805

>>9168803
Nice attempt at making me look angry, brainlet.

>> No.9168806

>>9168701
Wow, he is a literal retard. Of course the pussy faggots in this thread love him but I'm sure you will also love working in a communist™ factory when you can barely lift your iphone. I'm sure everything just works magically and so you can import refugees since it doesn't matter and they will of course """work"""(read living in welfare since most of them don't know the language nor want to in the first place and are not even qualified to clean toilets). Hitler was just a evil(the most of course) forcing his own people to work(how evil) since the country will fall otherwise but nah it wouldn't of fallen because everyone was peaceful even back then and the resources come of out of thin air(revisionist history is so cool!). Its just propaganda meanwhile getting nonwhites shoehorned and placed on ads to normalize it and hiding crime statistics is not.

>> No.9168812

>>9168806
Cringe post, you clearly didn't get it.

>> No.9168821

>>9168799
Yeah I agree you got me there. But I am talking of critical theory as a field of study, not as casual talk on a Taiwanese toy exchange forum.

Phrenology is dead too, surely critical theory should be as well.

>> No.9168823

>>9168805
I wasnt trying to do that, but now that you mention it, yeah you look angry
I just see a lot more antifa breaking public stuff than /pol/tards
What did I do to make you this angry?
Was it the :^) face?

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>>9168812
>cringe
Right, comrade!

>> No.9168825

>>9168806
You don't get Zizek at all, he is even against multiculturalism.

>> No.9168832

>>9168825
>youre wrong but I won't explain why
I know enough about him already and he is just a clown who baits retards into thinking he has some insight. Just another useless pseudo-obscurantist

>> No.9168834

>>9168806
>>9168824
You didn't get it, bud.

Zizek is drawing on the mystic nature of Hitler and his so-to-speak empty well effect of allowing those around them to fulfil their deep obscene pleasures. He does this in direct opposition to Reich with influences from Adorno in order to explain the modern day right-wing and ideology not as a movement towards patriarchal control but rather, precisely the opposite, a movement without patriarchal consent allowing them to fulfil their deep passions.

>> No.9168836

>>9168806
>having a spergy meltdown and not addressing the topic at all.

I can't wait for this faggy persecution complex /pol/ culture to die out. I miss the days of not giving a shit.

>> No.9168840

>>9168832
Your original post did not attack any of Zizek's points, instead you went on a /pol/tard rant about Whtie nationalism and migrant statistics (nothing of which Zizek mentioned).

Of course, you won't admit this, because you're a brainlet.

>> No.9168841

>>9168832
No, you're wrong because Zizek isn't for (and is actually against) most of the things you mentioned and seem to think have something to do with him.

>> No.9168844

>>9168834
A lot of nonsensical philobabble for a Slovenian man

>> No.9168849

>>9168798
I've read some zizek,and listened to a lot of his lectures, but it often feels like sifting through a lot of unnecessary shit.
I am a fan though.

>> No.9168850

>>9168844
Not an argument.

>> No.9168853

>>9168836
Is not just /pol/ thing
See feminism

>> No.9168858

>>9168834
>Zizek is drawing on the mystic nature of Hitler and his so-to-speak empty well effect of allowing those around them to fulfil their deep obscene pleasures
>their deep obscene pleasures
Do you even realise what that means? I'm sure you think its some kind of a smart word that would stop anyone from argumenting with you. But you clearly have no idea about nazism and why people chose Hitler. If anything choosing anything other than nazism is immoral because you disrespect your own population without which you can't have a country.
>>9168836
>/pol/ culture
>when its leftfaggots like you who scream when something is not their way

>> No.9168861

>>9168858
>Do you even realise what that means? I'm sure you think its some kind of a smart word that would stop anyone from argumenting with you. But you clearly have no idea about nazism and why people chose Hitler. If anything choosing anything other than nazism is immoral because you disrespect your own population without which you can't have a country.

It's the words he uses and the title of the video, brainlet.

Imagine being so insecure you think anyone who uses the word "obscene" is trying to sound smart. Sad!

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>>9168791
Yeah! Look at this /pol/ neonazis white dudes breaking and punching people's faces! These guys should be in jail!
Fucking brainwashed /pol/tards

>> No.9168869

>>9168850
>Not an argument.
It wasn't offered to you as an argument. Zizek is in his own world of psychoanalytic woo, how on earth are you suppose to argue against it?

All that I know is that psychoanalysis has been debunked, but types like you say this sort of stuff >>9168773 and shrug it off.

>> No.9168874

>>9168858
How ridiculously sentimental when one German grasps another’s hand and presses it with sacred awe because “he too is a German!” With that he is something great! But this will certainly still be thought touching as long as people are enthusiastic for “brotherliness,” i.e. as long as they have a “family disposition”. From the superstition of “piety,” from “brotherliness” or “childlikeness” or however else the soft-hearted piety-phrases run — from the family spirit — the Nationals, who want to have a great family of Germans, cannot liberate themselves.

>> No.9168875

>>9168869
You haven't attacked Zizek's arguments whatsoever.

All you have done is attack 'Psychoanalysis' which is no different to whataboutism.

In other words, >>>/r/eddit

>> No.9168876

>>9168861
>brainlet.
But thats you, the pseud
>It's the words he uses and the title of the video
And I already talked about that.
>word "obscene" is trying to sound smart
Its not word obscene by itself but
>deep obscene pleasures
Which means nothing at all in the context. Hitler actually cared about his people and did everything he could to help them.
Still waiting for your argument.

>> No.9168880

>>9168876
>Which means nothing at all in the context. Hitler actually cared about his people and did everything he could to help them.

That's why he sent them to a war that destroyed them and made them fight to the last man.

MMmmmmmmmmM! Wow, such a good leader!

>> No.9168891

>>9168806

/lit/ is a catholic/marxist board with pomo allegiance
get the fuck outa here you dumb cunt we don't want you

her's your (You)

>> No.9168895

>>9168875
>You haven't attacked Zizek's arguments whatsoever.
That is the fucking point, you cannot argue with Zizek. He has build his arguments on psychoanalytic woo.
All I see is using research on psychology to prove him wrong.

>> No.9168898

>>9168874
>How ridiculously sentimental when one German grasps another’s hand and presses it with sacred awe because “he too is a German!” With that he is something great! But this will certainly still be thought touching as long as people are enthusiastic for “brotherliness,” i.e. as long as they have a “family disposition”.
You're right people should not defend their kin and even less try to form a family! Being just another slave in the communistic piramid is truly the greatest thing and will give you the freedom you need, but after you have finished your 10hour shift, of course...
>>9168891
>pomo marxists
So, literallly reddit?

>> No.9168902

>>9168876
Fuck off, retard
Hitler was a fucking clown, he is responsable for a the degenerate hippie bullshit
>b-but if he had won :(
If he had won people like you would be the first to get gassed lmao
And this comes from a trump supporter, before you start crying about how the sjw's are stealing "muh free speach"

>> No.9168903

>>9168895
>That is the fucking point, you cannot argue with Zizek

Thanks for admitting he's right!

>> No.9168906

>>9168880
>last man
You either win or lose you can't play safe and even more when the communistic overlords are trying to destroy your country.

>> No.9168907

>>9168898
keep cucking yourself with nationalist ghost,you collectivist moron.

>> No.9168908

>>9168701
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TtKBWU2fhY
This is good stuff, thank you anon

>> No.9168914

>>9168906
HMMmmmmmm, I wonder why the communists were attacking Nazi Germany, was it because Hitler attacked them and broke their peace pact? Oh yes, yes it is!

Pick up a history book, dork.

>> No.9168919

>>9168898
>So, literallly reddit?
No one on this board gives a shit about your /tv/-tier internet tribalism memes.

Your newness is painfully obvious. The problem is you don't even realise it lol.

>> No.9168920

>>9168903
You are a funny guy. But you know he is the philosophy equivalent of flat earthers, climate change deniers, anti-vaccination and creationists.

He doesn't do reality, he builds his own reality using Lacan. Don't care if that makes me a fedora.

>> No.9168922

>>9168891
>catholic/marxist board
Maybe in 2015. Current /lit/posters are apolitical or post-ironists.

>> No.9168923

>>9168920
>Don't care if that makes me a fedora.
It does
>But you know he is the philosophy equivalent of flat earthers, climate change deniers, anti-vaccination and creationists.
He isn't

>> No.9168925

>>9168920
That's what an opinion or political interpretation is, friend. How else would you interpret politics?

>> No.9168934

>>9168922
Are there still people who define themselves with some ideology? Why? None of them "work", they are only good as tools of analysis

>> No.9168945

>>9168902
>he is responsable for a the degenerate hippie bullshit
And how is he responsible? Its because of the communists who try to rewrite history and blame everyone but themselves
>If he had won people like you would be the first to get gassed lmao
Hmm so I said already how communism can't work since most of it supporters are disabled and now you say that Hitler would have gassed me? Really interesting...
>And this comes from a trump supporter
Oh but of course, I'm sure that nobody else could be behind this post but a trump supporters, after all why would people lie on the internet
>>9168907
>standing for yourself
>cuck
Hmm...
>>9168914
He did all he could to save his nation and the whole world. The war was going to happen even if he didn't attack them. Its to no surprise that a lot of russian helped the germans since stalin was destroying his own people.
>>9168919
>calls me new and dumb and how I should go away
>nobody cares about tribalism
I mean you have probably browsed /lit/ for a few months but you can't really blend.

>> No.9168948

>>9168945
>The war was going to happen even if he didn't attack them.

Nice cognitive dissonance, bud.

>> No.9168950

>>9168922
>Current /lit/posters are apolitical or post-ironists.
If you're referring to the post-katiegate /mu/ refugees then sure.

The core /lit/ posters that write anything worth reading are still cath/marxist, think girardfag. It's just harder to make them out over the trash that gets posted on this board.

Past highschool, philosophical convictions aren't like fads that you pick up and drop as easily as some meme-wave musical genre

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>>9168934
>catholicism doesn't work

>> No.9168955

>>9168948
>Nice cognitive dissonance, bud.
Yeah the russianz were just good boys and shiet, its not like they try to backstab and conquer everyone they can. And its cool how you just respond only to 1 of my sentences.

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>>9168945
>being on the wrong side of history

>> No.9168961

>>9168945
>he thinks nationalist interest are his own interest!

>> No.9168964

>>9168955
Except it was actually the Nazis that backstabbed by breaking their pact and attacking them which you choose to ignore and obfuscate.

Grow up.

>> No.9168967

>>9168945
>he gets obscene enjoyment from the nationalist promise

>> No.9168985

>>9168961
>he thinks nationalist interest are his own interest!
Nationalism is the closest thing to "own interests". Everything else is pure slavery.
>>9168964
Like I said the war was about to happen anyway, he just did it earlier so as to help both russians and germans. Both of them knew the pact was going to be broken really soon.
>>9168967
Yeah not wanting your people killed and raped is really bad! I'm so bigotted for having such thoughts...

>> No.9168988

>>9168806

This desu

>> No.9168989

>>9168985
>Like I said the war was about to happen anyway,

The war had already happened, retard.

Christ, you clearly don't know anything about WWII. Fuck off, retard.

>> No.9168996

>>9168989
>he breaks the pact
>but the war had already happened
Is this the power of postmodernism?

>> No.9168998

>>9168996
You clearly meant WWII in general and are now trying to pretend it meant war with the USSR and Germany.

The funny thing is, even if you meant that, you are still trying to blame the Commies for something Hitler done, that is, the first attack which is what I like to call 'cognitive dissonance'.

>> No.9169000

>>9168985
how do you even know that any of this is true? Did you read to much propaganda bullshit?

>> No.9169001

>>9168998
>You clearly meant WWII in general
WHAT? Do you have africa tier reading comprehension?
>Commies for something Hitler done
I'm just saying that the war was going to happen anyway, and hitler just tried to do what was best for his country, but also helping russians free themselves of communism considering how much stalin dwarfed them.

>> No.9169005

>>9168998
>The funny thing is, even if you meant that, you are still trying to blame the Commies for something Hitler done, that is, the first attack which is what I like to call 'cognitive dissonance'.
Dude, your post is incoherent

>> No.9169008

>>9169001
>I'm just saying that the war was going to happen anyway,
>and hitler just tried to do what was best for his country,
What the fuck are you even talking about. Have you read a single book in your life

>WHAT? Do you have africa tier reading comprehension?
I don't know man, I could say the same for you

>> No.9169010

>>9169001
>I'm just saying that the war was going to happen anyway, and hitler just tried to do what was best for his country, but also helping russians free themselves of communism considering how much stalin dwarfed them.

Yes, Hitler helped his people and the russians, by driving millions into suicide and solidifying Communist control in the east for decades.

What a fucking retard, lol!

>> No.9169011

>>9169000
>how do you even know that any of this is true?
By doing rational reading of history
>Did you read to much propaganda bullshit?
What do you mean by propaganda? The revisionists today try to make it as if hitler was a some cartoon villain who wanted to destroy all the nonwhite people in the world.

>> No.9169014

>>9169010
>muh gazzilion
The benefits of liberal brainwashing.

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>>9169011
>The revisionists today try to make it as if hitler was some cartoon villain
You are seriously retarded anon

>> No.9169024

>>9169008
>What the fuck are you even talking about. Have you read a single book in your life
YOu're not saying anything at all. He just did the first move, thats what I've said. YOu still again quote just whatever you want.
>>9169010
>driving millions into suicide and solidifying Communist control in the east for decades.
The problem for that was because of his generals ineptness, not anything else. If they could just do what was said to them germany would have won.

>> No.9169026

lol what a load of garbage

>> No.9169027

>>9169022
Yeah you sure showed me.

>> No.9169028

>>9169014
No one mentioned the Jews, brainlet.

>>9169024
>The problem for that was because of his generals ineptness

t. guy who has never read a book on WWII

His generals were what kept Germany going.

>> No.9169031

>>9169024
>The problem for that was because of his generals ineptness, not anything else.
If he was so smart, he could have promoted some less incompetent generals.

You realise that what you're saying doesn't make any sense

>> No.9169032

>>9168701
I want to be abused by the creepy woman at the start

>> No.9169034

>>9169008
>>9169001

I gotta say I think both of you are retarded.
The war was probably inevitable, yes.
But most historians agree that the Soviets did not plan to break the pact. I know this is /lit/ and therefore nobody likes to read here, but I would recommend this wikipedia article as short summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy


Also it's retarded to think that nationalism is in the interest of the individual. At least in Hitler's case he did not really care about the individual German:
"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over. " Hitler

>> No.9169036

>>9169027
>make a retarded point that isn't reflected in reality
>get called out on it
>"Yeah you sure showed me."

>> No.9169045

>>9169034
*I just noticed you could argue about if the Hitler quote is proof for how nationalism is not in the interest of the individual.
If it's the interest of the individual to give up his individual interest, it would work. Although it kinda sounds paradoxal, doesn't it?

>> No.9169072

I'm so glad /lit/ if finally fighting back against the /pol/ morons.

Unfortunately it took the election of an absolute cretin to the president to accomplish.

Oh, well. At least I see backlash against ethnonationalist sentiments all over the place now.

>> No.9169094

So much good cringe here t

>> No.9169099

>>9169028
>His generals were what kept Germany going.
>it it wasnt for his generals the evil hitler would have lost
Yeah we have heard that already and what not other slander but you haven't read any nonbiased book too it seems. You probably think that hitler wanted to kill the jews.
>>9169031
>less competent
You can't know if they are unless in battle and like I said all they had to do was follow instructions.
>>9169034
Did you even read your wiki? It clearly states that the russians were ready for it
>Also it's retarded to think that nationalism is in the interest of the individual. At least in Hitler's case he did not really care about the individual German
Because in a perfect world( which he tried to make) you don't have individuals.
>>9169036
>get called on it without backing it up
Yeah you sure showed me once again.

>> No.9169103

>>9169099
>You probably think that hitler wanted to kill the jews.

Yes, yes I do. Your point?

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9169112

>You probably think that hitler wanted to kill the jews.
anon

>> No.9169113

>>9169103
>Yes, yes I do. Your point?
Because he didn't unless you can prove it of course. But its been ingrained in your thick skull from young that he wanted to kill jews and on top of that just because.

>> No.9169118

>>9169113
>Because he didn't unless you can prove it of course. But its been ingrained in your thick skull from young that he wanted to kill jews and on top of that just because.

I know he did from death toll documents signed that he had seen them, his speeches and the speeches of those around him which he endorsed.

>> No.9169124

>>9169099
>You can't know if they are unless in battle
>all they had to do was follow instructions.
He obviously fucked up by promoting them in the first place. They would have had plenty of opportunity to prove themselves prior to becoming generals.
Face it bro, Hitler fucking sucked as a military strategist.

How is this still going over your head

>> No.9169135

>>9169113
Let's do some mental math.

>A group of people within a country are vilified
>the party that vilified them gets into power
>at great expense, the group is rounded up and sent to camps
>at these camps they are systematically killed by poison gas

So I'm supposed to believe that the whole thing just got away from Hitler and the SS purchased all that zyklon B from IG Farben by accident and needed to find some use for it?

>> No.9169141

>>9169099
>>9169099
Yes, Suvorov said that Stalin made preparations.
It's kinda ironic how you tell me that I didn't read the article if you don't even bother to read more than the first part.

It's general consensus among historians that Suvorov was talking bullshit.
He is included in the article because it's mostly his fault that this myth of a preemptive strike still exists.
And why are so many historians refusing Suvorovs claims? It sounds just normal to me that the Soviets would have at least thought about attacking Nazi Germany. But there are just not enough facts to proof it.
I would like to cite a sentence from the article against Suvorov: "Historian Cynthia A. Roberts is even more categorical, claiming that Suvorov's writings are based on "virtually no evidentiary base" "

Yes, that is just one historian I cited here and there are still historians agreeing with Suvorov. But they are the minority because it's just speculation, even though it's reasonable speculation in my opinion.
If you read the article you will see that most historians agree that Stalin would have attacked Germany in the future. But most think this attack would have happened years later.
This makes also sense in Stalin's point of view, doesn't it? His army was still suffering under the purge and he might have hoped that Hitler's forces will get weakened by the war with western states.
If you want to say that a preemptive strike can happen one or even two years before the expected attack, you could say breaking the pact was a preemptive strike.
But I doubt that this fits its definition.

>> No.9169143

>>9169135
Don't bother, he will use some mental gymnastics that Himmler and Heydrich did it all themselves and Hiter knew nothing because he was a good boi didn do nuffin.

>> No.9169152

>>9169118
>death toll documents signed that he had seen them,
Death toll (50k which was not his fault) and I don't see how seeing them means he ordered them?
>his speeches and the speeches of those around him which he endorsed.
Like? That means nothing at all as he never talked about killing jews. THats why he just expelled them.
>He obviously fucked up by promoting them in the first place.
He did but its something you can't really have that much control on.
>They would have had plenty of opportunity to prove themselves prior to becoming generals
Not for a war like that.
>>9169135
But these people were vilifying the germans in the most cruel of ways. And
>at these camps they are systematically killed by poison gas
Feel free to prove it first. Hitler knew killing them would lead to bad things.

>> No.9169158

>>9169152
Not even the most famous Holocaust denier David Irving denies the mass murdering of Jews, he just puts the number at 1,000,000 or something like that.

Why are you trying to exonerate Hitler from his crimes? Is it because without Hitler, Nazism cannot exist? What is your intention here?

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9169167

>tfw people still haven't realized that Slavoj is a /pol/ack who just plays devil's advocate for 99% of the time whilst dropping the occasional redpill for 1% of the time

>> No.9169181

>>9169167
Reddit post

>> No.9169192

>>9169141
>It's general consensus
That means nothing at all. And then you can see that there are enough people who were in support for the soviets offensive plan theory. Hitler was aware of it and just did it earlier.
>>9169158
>the most famous
So what? I really don't get it. And there have died jews but not intentionally and not even close to the number they want us to believe.

>> No.9169194

>>9169167
>implying slavoj isn't a centre democrat pretending to be a reactionary masquerading as a marxist
Reread his critique of Ideology. You clearly misread a significant amount.

>> No.9169199

>>9169099
>muh "muh gazzilion"

>> No.9169224

>>9169181

What is Reddit?

>>9169194

Zizek is a die-hard authoritarian fascist who has ironically latched onto Communism as it's the most acceptable authoritarian ideology today.

>> No.9169246

>>9169224
>Zizek is a die-hard authoritarian fascist who has ironically latched onto Communism as it's the most acceptable authoritarian ideology today.

This is a pretty pleb reading of his work desu anon.

Learn to dissect the meaning between the lines.

>> No.9169256

>>9169246

I don't just read between the lines, I read around them.

And I'm right.

>> No.9169265

Lefty /pol/ never really left 4chan so it seems.

>> No.9169283

>>9169192
>So what? I really don't get it. And there have died jews but not intentionally and not even close to the number they want us to believe.
Whatever dude

>> No.9169294

>>9169265
Go back to cripplechan, retard, no one cares about lefty or righty /pol/ here. I found this video in my recommendations and ignored the description box.

>> No.9169302

>>9169283
Yeah

>> No.9169303

>>9168806
I'm right-wing, but you do not understand Zizek's philosophy and positions at all, because if you did you'd realize his ideas, critiques, and general analysis are still substantively useful even if you disagree with his politics.

>>9168895
>>9168769
You are a fool, and people who unironically dismiss thinkers or frameworks by calling them/it 'woo' in a way mean 'spooky' or 'metaphysical bullshit' are the ones who ought to be completely ignored.

>> No.9169316

>>9169303
>analysis are still substantively useful even if you disagree with his politics.
He hasn't said anything new.