>tfw there are il/lit/erates here who don't listen to classical music in their free time

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Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:01:33 2017 No.9097524 [DELETED]

>tfw there are il/lit/erates here who don't listen to classical music in their free time

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:02:22 2017 No.9097531 haha a feel-man

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:04:59 2017 No.9097543 File: 44 KB, 450x449, karma.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not reaching transcendence via jazz p l e b

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:05:16 2017 No.9097544 Why does that give you feels?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:10:09 2017 No.9097567 File: 1023 KB, 1514x1182, classical is better.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9097543 >jazz

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:13:05 2017 No.9097580

Who rides, so late, through night and wind?
It is the father with his child.
He has the boy well in his arm
He holds him safely, he keeps him warm.
"My son, why do you hide your face so anxiously?"
"Father, do you not see the Elfking?
The Elfking with crown and tail?"
"My son, it's a wisp of fog."
"You dear child, come, go with me!
Very lovely games I'll play with you;
Some colourful flowers are on the beach,
My mother has some golden robes."
"My father, my father, and don't you hear
What the Elfking quietly promises me?"
"Be calm, stay calm, my child;
The wind is rustling through withered leaves."
"Do you want to come with me, pretty boy?
My daughters shall wait on you finely;
My daughters will lead the nightly dance,
And rock and dance and sing you to sleep."
"My father, my father, and don't you see there
The Elfking's daughters in the gloomy place?"
"My son, my son, I see it clearly:
There shimmer the old willows so grey."
"I love you, your beautiful form entices me;
And if you're not willing, then I will use force."
"My father, my father, he's grabbing me now!
The Elfking has done me harm!"
It horrifies the father; he swiftly rides on,
He holds the moaning child in his arms,
Reaches the farm with trouble and hardship;
In his arms, the child was dead.
Who rides there so late through the night dark and drear?
The father it is, with his infant so dear;
He holdeth the boy tightly clasp'd in his arm,
He holdeth him safely, he keepeth him warm.
"My son, wherefore seek'st thou thy face thus to hide?"
"Look, father, the Alder King is close by our side!
Dost see not the Alder King, with crown and with train?"
"My son, 'tis the mist rising over the plain."
"Oh, come, thou dear infant! oh come thou with me!
For many a game I will play there with thee;
On my beach, lovely flowers their blossoms unfold,
My mother shall grace thee with garments of gold."
"My father, my father, and dost thou not hear
The words that the Alder King now breathes in mine ear?"
"Be calm, dearest child, thy fancy deceives;
the wind is sighing through withering leaves."
"Wilt go, then, dear infant, wilt go with me there?
My daughters shall tend thee with sisterly care
My daughters by night on the dance floor you lead,
They'll cradle and rock thee, and sing thee to sleep."
"My father, my father, and dost thou not see,
How the Alder King is showing his daughters to me?"
"My darling, my darling, I see it aright,
'Tis the aged grey willows deceiving thy sight."
"I love thee, I'm charm'd by thy beauty, dear boy!
And if thou aren't willing, then force I'll employ."
"My father, my father, he seizes me fast,
For sorely the Alder King has hurt me at last."
The father now gallops, with terror half wild,
He holds in his arms the shuddering child;
He reaches his farmstead with toil and dread, –
The child in his arms lies motionless, dead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:13:13 2017 No.9097581 >>9097567 >categorically rejecting entire genres of music with rich histories and great potential for expression

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:18:15 2017 No.9097600 >he doesnt like idm >he doesnt like noise >he doesnt like pop How does it feel to be such a close minded pleb? >>9097543 >stringy strangy strung my wancky

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:29:35 2017 No.9097646 >>9097567 only an american could think of the best classical has to offer and put that atrocious list together

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:34:18 2017 No.9097665 >>9097567 MPP captures the feel of being happy better than any of the music in the low part tbqfwyl

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:34:53 2017 No.9097667 I just listen to Kate Bush https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:36:28 2017 No.9097670 File: 48 KB, 300x255, adorno2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9097543 >Jazz

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:38:22 2017 No.9097679 >>9097670 Adorno is the Bloom of music

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:38:56 2017 No.9097684 >>9097543 Good post >>9097567 >>9097600 >>9097670 Bad post. >there are "people" ITT who can't appreciate this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LphuCadyQi0

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:40:32 2017 No.9097688 >>9097600 How does it feel to have just graduated high school?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:42:30 2017 No.9097697 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z5aPaDwAkU bjork lads

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:46:14 2017 No.9097715 >>9097684 The only jazz I like is ornette coleman desu, everything else is for fedoras who want to feel like they live in the 20's YOU WILL NEVER HANG OUT WITH JOYCE, FAGGOT, GET OVER IT

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:47:17 2017 No.9097723 >>9097688 you tell me :^)

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:47:23 2017 No.9097724

I have little respect for writers who, in the age of endless recordings, still stick to pop music.

This is also why one shouldn't pay attention to the Swedish Academy from now on.

>>9097679
Just goes to show that Bloom is an not all that good...

>>9097684
Jazz is either too easy or too boring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:47:27 2017 No.9097725 >>9097670 90% of kids listen to jazz music, like and comment if you are part of the ten percent who still listens to the works of Second Vienese School https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0dMs0MTg8

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:48:13 2017 No.9097731 >>9097715 >I don't know anything about the genre but let me namedrop real quick OK!

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:50:01 2017 No.9097742

>>9097684
The point is that Jazz is not worth listening to if you haven't heard yet the best that classical music has to offer. It's question of priorities, especially considering that most people on /mu/ never studied composers as famous as Beethoven.
Jazz is filled with masterpieces, but if you haven't even listened to Bach it will be ultimately a waste of time. Classical first, jazz and avant-gards second, popular music third.

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:50:37 2017 No.9097748
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The point is that Jazz is not worth listening to if you haven't heard yet the best that classical music has to offer. It's question of priorities, especially considering that most people on /mu/ never studied composers as famous as Beethoven.
Jazz is filled with masterpieces, but if you haven't even listened to Bach it will be ultimately a waste of time. Classical first, jazz and avant-gards second, popular music third.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:52:09 2017 No.9097754 >>9097748 >starting with the greeks and proceeding the best Western literature and poetry that has been written in the last 2000 years? >nah I'll start with DFW, I mean, he's kinda interesting right? What are you, a fedora?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:52:53 2017 No.9097760 >>9097754 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQDwhAK95ds fucking virgin lol

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:54:20 2017 No.9097766

>>9097742
hey nigger I played the piano, euphonium and trombone. I unironically think bach is the best classical composer and get hard everytime I hear the contropuncti from the heart of the fugue and I listen to jazz and classical reguarly and have studied music theory

This thread is giving me cancer from the shit opinions on jazz and classical including your post.

>>9097748
You forgot your meme arrows

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:55:11 2017 No.9097769 >>9097731 >you have to understand the genre in order to enjoy it ok

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:56:22 2017 No.9097773

>>9097567
that's a really stupid quote, exposure to bad food doesn't hamper one's ability to distinguish between good and bad food, or one's ability to cook well

you can read tons of trash and still be as acute a reader and a writer as you would be otherwise, so long as you know that it's trash and what makes it so

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:56:41 2017 No.9097776 >>9097748 >Jazz is filled with masterpieces How new are you to Jazz?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:57:10 2017 No.9097779 >>9097769 >>you have to understand the genre in order to enjoy it Yes...?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:57:34 2017 No.9097781 >>9097773 >that's a really stupid quote

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:58:27 2017 No.9097786

>>9097766
>played the piano, euphonium and trombone. I unironically think bach is the best classical composer and get hard everytime I hear the contropuncti from the heart of the fugue and I listen to jazz

Have you read what I've written? I've not said that jazz is not worht listening to, I'm saying that it is wiser to listen, study and appreciate classical music first.
I would say the same thing in almost any art form, in another post for example I've stated that it's better to start reading classic in our literature tradition than to start with counterculture products such as Infinite Jest. That doens't meant that Infinite Jest is worthless (you could argue so, though), that just mean that given how much time you've got on this Earth it's better to experience our classics first (wich will give you even more insight when you'll start reading modern literature).

I'm not an essentialist.

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 19:59:08 2017 No.9097791

>>9097742
Popular music is a product of radically different media than classical music. To ignore it or 'leave it for later' is to blind oneself to much of your environment. Julio Cortazar had a memorable line on Jazz being like a tentacled living organism expanding to every corner of the world and undergoing various branchings and mutations. You can say the same for later forms of popular music. Rock'n'Roll psychedelics and color TV brought western civilisation to the brink of collapse back in the 60s. The orientalizing neo tribal world we have inherited is not so much the world of the symphony orchestra, the world were Burghers dress up for the Opera, but the world of electric distortion, total environments, post african repetition. The rapper is at once tribal storyteller, and warrior-priest of the commodity.

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:02:01 2017 No.9097809

>>9097786
Hm, you might actually be right.

jazz is like classical but modified. So there's probably merit in studying classical before getting into jazz. You've got to eat yourmeat veggies before you can really appreciate that pop rocks are.

My bad lad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:02:45 2017 No.9097814 >>9097791 >valuing society over high art >don't listen to Beethoven, listen to this guy instead, he influenced lots of people in the '60s!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:03:40 2017 No.9097821 >>9097791 desu people who shit on popular music are just too lazy to find the good stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2VffKMuFKo

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:04:43 2017 No.9097826 >>9097814 Why not both?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:06:50 2017 No.9097837 >>9097725 this is unironically bretty good, and proof that 12 tone music can be beautiful too

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:06:57 2017 No.9097839 >>9097814 Learn to read before posting, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:07:37 2017 No.9097845 >>9097791 >To ignore it or 'leave it for later' is to blind oneself to much of your environment. Or it's to liberate yourself from it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:08:50 2017 No.9097852 >>9097845 what a puss

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:10:43 2017 No.9097856 >>9097567 Holy shit please tell me that bottom half is some sort of sick joke. >Gorecki I am being trolled hard

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:13:12 2017 No.9097863

>>9097725
>>9097837
Do you guys actually enjoy classical music? This is a good piece but this is exactly what a true edge lord looking for eccentric, esoteric classical look for. There are plenty of classical pieces that one could point out that isn't as hard to access than this to prove your point. I feel like you're just trying to get into a fart-sniffing contest to prove how well-versed you are. This thread has proven that this board is not at the level to appreciate that kind of composition so why not post something more accessible?

Such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXy50exHjes

Like someone said earlier, it's like posting infinite jest, I think this board isn't much further than Moby dick if we're using literature analogies fore classical music.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:13:56 2017 No.9097866 I know Mozart is meme tier, but this is honestly one of my favorite songs ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HnG1WjryX4

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:14:13 2017 No.9097869 The worst part about enjoying classical music is the fact that people who find out about my love for it will likely group me in with people like >>9097742

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:15:13 2017 No.9097876 >>9097684 >>9097742 Jazz is trash, there are no masterworks in jazz because it's barely music.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:15:47 2017 No.9097878 >>9097524 post favorite piece (don't get to fancy posting longest symphonies doesn't mean best) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:15:49 2017 No.9097879 >>9097684 >appreciate There's nothing to appreciate

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:16:19 2017 No.9097884

>>9097863
>This thread has proven that this board is not at the level to appreciate that kind of composition
When will this meme end? You dont need to understand anything about music theory to appreciate music, in any of it's shapes
>implying infinite jest is harder than moby dick
shaking my head

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:17:40 2017 No.9097889 >>9097876 Tip >>9097879 Tip to you too, m'sir.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:17:55 2017 No.9097890 >>9097884 Um yes you fucking do?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:18:05 2017 No.9097891 >>9097742 So before you listened to Bach, how much Nicolai did you listen to? Or Kerll? Listening to Bach without knowing them would be ultimately a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:18:32 2017 No.9097894 File: 1.71 MB, 640x346, dJTknED.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9097580 >Reads translated poem Seriously though, Erlkönig is incredible. Learned it in 5th grade and still know it by heart.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:18:52 2017 No.9097898 >>9097884 >You dont need to understand anything about music theory to appreciate music, in any of it's shapes Yes you do, appreciation is more than 'wow this is influential and pretty but i prefer beyonce lol'

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:20:02 2017 No.9097902

This is jazz now, if anyone has anything else in mind, he's watching too much movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-N5R2plqPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-mneis1nYs

Jazz is live music. It's evolving music, old jazz is past, new jazz is different, and it's changing each year. One thing about it is that you can't just listen to it, you need to watch it, you need to be present when it's performed. Recordings, all of them, loose the spirit. It can be amazing experience, then again, it's not Classical. There's a joke among hardcore jazz fans; they all can take only enough of it, then they all turn to Classical in the end, so people fuck with each other on when they'll do the transition. The rest, not worth loosing words about, it's noise compared to the two.

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:20:12 2017 No.9097906

>>9097876
>because it's barely music.
lmao, music is just sounds, noise arranged in different ways, you fucking faggot, and I say this as a music lover and not really a jazz fan, but thinking x isnt music just because you dont like is so fucking pathetic, kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:20:17 2017 No.9097907 >classical >jazz >not new tango https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gDqDXpUW0

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:20:28 2017 No.9097909

>>9097884
>You dont need to understand anything about music theory to appreciate music
Hi dumb dumb. Hard make post dumb dumb? Dumb dumb, take afternoon and read a little about music dumb dumb and you learn about music dumb dumb. Then you appreciate music more dumb dumb!

Does that make sense to you or should I break it down further

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:21:04 2017 No.9097911 >>9097724 >Jazz is either too easy or too boring. That makes no sense. How can you possible consider Be Bop boring. Even if you don't like it, it is not boring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:21:30 2017 No.9097914 >>9097891 Fart sniffer detected. Kill yourself my man!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:22:14 2017 No.9097916 >>9097906 No it's not, you uneducated hack. >>9097902 Jazz is noise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:22:40 2017 No.9097918 >>9097902 >this is jazz now >posts video from 23 years ago

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:22:45 2017 No.9097921 >>9097909 >>9097898 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVmBRr_Psng

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:23:45 2017 No.9097924 >>9097909 this was really horrible

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:23:54 2017 No.9097927 >>9097914 Sorry I actually listen to classical music and know some things about it. But keep on thinking that music was birthed by Bach you teenager.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:23:59 2017 No.9097928 >>9097890 I dont know music theory, but I'm listening to that Alban Berg right now and I'm enjoying it >>9097898 What is it then? >oh hell yeah sick chord progression dawhg

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:24:02 2017 No.9097929

>>9097902
I'd kill myself if I thought like you, wew.
>>9097916
>Jazz is noise.
But this is worse. I'd be dead and not be able to post if I was you. Seriously my friend, you're wrong .

Again proving my point. Has anyone ITT played an instrument? It's like you all read an article from the most obnoxious music critic and can't form your own opinions...

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:25:01 2017 No.9097934 >>9097916 >No it's not, you uneducated hack. What is it then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:25:23 2017 No.9097937 >>9097928 t. pobbit >>9097929 Yes, I play an instrument. Jazz is noise. Go back to mehmet with your noise.

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:27:03 2017 No.9097950

>>9097929
>Again proving my point. Has anyone ITT played an instrument? It's like you all read an article from the most obnoxious music critic and can't form your own opinions...
I'm the guy being called "uneducated hack" and "dumb dumb" and I play guitar and piano

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:27:50 2017 No.9097961

>>9097921
Dude just take an afternoon to study basic theory and you wouldn't have to post these butthurt responses.

>>9097927
*tip* I'm not even saying that. And I'm not even saying you're totally wrong. You're just being a cunt and seem to have a thing out for one of the most important classical musicians because it give you hipster cred in whatever circles you roll in. Congrats!

>>9097937
>Yes, I play an instrument. Jazz is noise. Go back to mehmet with your noise.
*tip* full stop.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:28:30 2017 No.9097966 >>9097961 Yes, keep tipping your fedora.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:28:48 2017 No.9097967 >>9097961 found a vid of you in school mate ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLohzpC7H_4

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:28:54 2017 No.9097968 >>9097937 >t. pobbit Nice rebutal, go daydream about how great the world would had been if hitler had burned all le degenerawte art

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:28:56 2017 No.9097969 >>9097950 >play guitar and piano Hi dumb dumb! You play instrument that every 5th grader play minus the recorder!! You dumb dumb!!!!!

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:31:48 2017 No.9097984

>>9097961
Yeah, all that shit I know about Bach comes from hating him. That's why I read all those analyses of his music and send unanswered fan mail to John Gardiner. Cuz I have it out for him to impress my friends and a guy with the most surface level of surface level understandings of musical history.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:32:05 2017 No.9097986 >>9097969 >that every 5th grader play

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:33:52 2017 No.9097990 >>9097984 Dude, I really don't know how to respond to your posts other than admitting that you're a huge autist. I'm gonna listen to some Nicolai and Kerll now if that makes you happy and will report back.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:35:03 2017 No.9097992 >>9097969 Yeah I learned to play in 5th grade while you were playing pokemon cards or whatever

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:35:38 2017 No.9097998 >>9097990 Damn you got me good :((

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:36:30 2017 No.9098003 >>9097984 >hating bach ultimate sign of a pleb

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:37:31 2017 No.9098006

>>9097990
>>9097984
>>9097998

Whoa I'm listening to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfray53-TPY

right now. I can totally hear how this has influenced bach. But I can't find "Nicoli" what's his full name? Not even memeing, I appreciate learning about new composers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:38:43 2017 No.9098014 >>9098006 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKvzRhVXu3U

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:40:29 2017 No.9098020

>>9097937
Man, if you see at least three people calling you total retard, then look into a morror and realise that you are one. Jazz is interconnected since it's birth with classical music. In baroque you had hordes of soloists that played improvised music. It gave birth to polyphony and polyrhythm, and recorded music. Jazz is just that, classical taken back to it's roots.

Anyways, back to posting quality pieces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208g0WW_8zA

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:42:38 2017 No.9098031 >>9098014 So uh church hyms? OK I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:44:30 2017 No.9098041 >>9097969 >>9097992 >>9097998 this is the worst active thread on /lit/, good work!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:45:57 2017 No.9098044 >>9098041 This is the worst post on /lit/, good work!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:47:07 2017 No.9098049 >>9098044 This is the worst reply on /lit/, good work!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:48:13 2017 No.9098056 >>9098020 Never heard this piece before but I can see where the pirates of the Caribbean people ripped their theme from.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:51:54 2017 No.9098073 >>9098049 FUCK. I was happy about my achievement but it was overtaken by >>9098049 Good work!

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:52:01 2017 No.9098074

>>9098006
While were at Bachs predecessors, one can't go wrong with Biber. Another brilliant, and slightly forgotten author.

Rosenkranz Sonaten;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-SrUZUluU

Batallia;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9DJpaxT7wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-SrUZUluU

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:52:54 2017 No.9098081 >>9097543 >jazz lmao at these plebs constantly trying to put their unstructured vomit on the same level as classical

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:53:53 2017 No.9098083 >>9098073 it was funny at first but it's gettin too autistic now

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:58:11 2017 No.9098098 >>9098031 Compare to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sj-NKqR0tw

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:58:25 2017 No.9098099 >>9098083 >too autistic This isn't even my final form.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 20:59:04 2017 No.9098104 >>9098056 Yeah, they've been ripping from Respighi for ages. It's in part because he ripped from older authors, so it's hard to say it's pure ripoff, but pretty much whole of Ancient airs and Dances is in the movies now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 21:02:36 2017 No.9098117 >>9098098 Now this hits the spot. So what you be sayin iz that Bach is better than the guy before him who literally wrote the boring tunes before church starts? Good posts I learned a lot!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 21:10:44 2017 No.9098134 >>9097684 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c coltrane has great solo in this (miles too), and the piano player too, forget his name, maybe tyner

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 21:12:52 2017 No.9098140 >>9098117 Glad to help someone understand an artist they appreciate by appreciating their forbears :) If you don't understand choral music you'll never understand Bach :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 21:22:43 2017 No.9098159 o salutaris hostia

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 21:25:11 2017 No.9098164 >>9097909 >>9097969 This is the cringiest shit I've ever seen on /lit/. Delete your account.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 22:26:28 2017 No.9098405 Dubstep anyone?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 22:59:28 2017 No.9098571 >>9098405 chuckled

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 23:00:24 2017 No.9098579 >>9098405 Lets be honest there are dubstep acts which are pretty solid. Feed Me, Excision, Skream

Anonymous Sun Feb 12 23:02:13 2017 No.9098590

>>9097968
ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH ME MUST BE A NAAAAAAAAZI
>>9098020
No, it's garbage noise.
>Man, if you see at least three people calling you total retard, then look into a morror and realise that you are one.
le democracy haha
> In baroque you had hordes of soloists that played improvised music.
How is that relevant? Music changes. jazz does not. Jazz takes old form and makes it worse.

It's mad music and a single bad soloist at best, or a mishmash of bad soloists at worst.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 12 23:04:03 2017 No.9098597 >>9097524 i'll tell you classical music is the best

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:16:04 2017 No.9098849

>>9098081
You cannot imply all classical music is on one level, and all jazz is on another. This simply isn't true.

I predominantly listen to classical music, but, as in all genres, there are genii within the genre and mediocrities. Jazz is the same.

Also, Jazz is consciously rejecting the structure of prior eras of music. It actually has a very complex structure, but it is a structure all its own. The greats of jazz are true musical geniuses, and - without a doubt - jazz stands towering in complexity over most genres of music. Classical is not one of them, though, that is true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:18:52 2017 No.9098856 >>9098849 genii is plural of genie genera is plural of genus

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:21:03 2017 No.9098863 >>9098849 >complexity Masturbation is not complexity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:23:12 2017 No.9098873 >>9097524 any good books on understanding classical music?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:51:11 2017 No.9098976 >>9098856 Genii* is also an accepted spelling of the plural of genius.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:52:12 2017 No.9098979 >>9098863 False equivalency is not an argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:52:42 2017 No.9098981 >>9098976 well I'll be darned

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 00:55:44 2017 No.9098990 >>9098873 Scruton maybe?

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 01:05:45 2017 No.9099019

>>9098020
> In baroque you had hordes of soloists that played improvised music. It gave birth to polyphony and polyrhythm, and recorded music. Jazz is just that, classical taken back to it's roots.
There are so many things wrong with what is being said here.

>Jazz is interconnected since it's birth with classical music.
Not really. I mean in a very loose sense it could be argued that since jazz is a mixing of a variety of styles of music, some of which posses functional harmony that descends from and has been codified in classical music. But this seems like an extremely weak definition of interconnected in this sense since then almost all music ever written anywhere in the west is also subject to this. Jazz later on came to incorporate things from classical music, but not from its birth, a time at which it had zero direct connection to.

>In baroque (sic) you had hordes of soloists that played improvised music.
Okay, we are in agreement of this at least.

>It gave birth to polyphony
No. Polyphony is centuries older than the baroque and has nothing to do with improvisation.

>and polyrhythm
Again, this is completely untrue for the exact same reasons I mentioned for polyphony.

>and recorded music.
Music had been recorded for a good couple of decades at least before the existence of jazz.

>Jazz is just that, classical taken back to it's roots.
Classical music has always been music for the court, church, aristocrats, bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia. Classical music is not folk music. Jazz was created by and for poor people living in terrible conditions in a melting pot of a city. It is a folk music. Classical music taken back to its roots is sacred church music for the veneration of God. Jazz at its root is a folk music naturally arising from the lay person for the lay person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 01:57:16 2017 No.9099180 where to start with classical music? i honestly trust here more than /mu/ & what is patrician level classical (for later down the road :^] )

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 02:40:37 2017 No.9099279

>>9099180
Classical music is a thousand year old tradition, as such it is very broad and difficult to summarize and difficult to tell people where to start without knowing anything about them.

In classical music the most well known composers are well known for a reason. If you take Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven you have not only three of the best composers but good representatives of three of the eras of classical music. Baroque for Bach, classical for Mozart and Beethoven (albeit an extremely early example of) for the romantic. Who do you like and why? What are the elements of their music that you like or dislike? The answers to these questions will give you an idea about what to explore next. Do you like the grand quality of Beethoven's symphonies? Do you like his expressive piano music? Then try other well known early romantic composers. If you like his piano music try Chopin, Liszt, or Schubert.

>& what is patrician level classical
Bach is the patricians choice for composers. Practically every single composer who was very good who came after him praised him as being the best of the best. The great thing about Bach is that he is immediately accessible unlike many other great composers.
But as I said before classical music is very broad and outside of a few names it is hard to find great consensus on such things. Wagner is highly contentious, Brahms, while popular, has his major detractors, Chopin is disliked generally by the Russian composers etc.

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 02:44:17 2017 No.9099286

>>9099279
has any prominent music critic or composer put out the musical equivalent of Bloom's Western canon?
Music doesn't take much time to listen to, I'll listen to it all--I only want to know what I should be familiar with so that I can dominate the music sections in University Challenge

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 02:45:56 2017 No.9099289

>>9099180
Classical music is a thousand year old tradition, as such it is very broad and difficult to summarize and difficult to tell people where to start without knowing anything about them.

In classical music the most well known composers are well known for a reason. If you take Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven you have not only three of the best composers but good representatives of three of the eras of classical music. Baroque for Bach, classical for Mozart and Beethoven (albeit an extremely early example of) for the romantic. Who do you like and why? What are the elements of their music that you like or dislike? The answers to these questions will give you an idea about what to explore next. Do you like the grand quality of Beethoven's symphonies? Do you like his expressive piano music? Then try other well known early romantic composers. If you like his piano music try Chopin, Liszt, or Schubert.

>& what is patrician level classical
Bach is the patricians choice for composers. Practically every single composer who was very good who came after him praised him as being the best of the best. The great thing about Bach is that he is immediately accessible unlike many other great composers.
But as I said before classical music is very broad and outside of a few names it is hard to find great consensus on such things. Wagner is highly contentious, Brahms, while popular, has his major detractors, Chopin is disliked generally by the Russian composers etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 02:48:47 2017 No.9099294 >>9099289 Thanks for this thoughtful post, it's really helpful.

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 02:57:19 2017 No.9099304

>>9099286
Sorry for the double post, 4chan was being a little weird for a moment.

None have made a list in the way that Bloom was forced to for his back as far as I know. But I think there is a reason why Bloom had to be forced to make such a list and why I cannot think of any composer or critic to make one themselves, and that is such lists aren't very good.
If you start from the very start and move forward you will probably alienate yourself by listening to a lot of things you don't like or understand and never reach very far through its history. If you just want the list to pick big names you already know then why do you even need the list?

>Music doesn't take much time to listen to, I'll listen to it all
This is like saying a poem doesn't take long to read so I'll read everything by a poet in a couple of days and be done with it. Never mind the fact that you can't listen to a single piece by a composer and have much of an idea about them. Many composers have written thousands of pieces of music and there are a great many composers. You really can't listen to it all, not in this lifetime, not in a hundred.

>I only want to know what I should be familiar with so that I can dominate the music sections in University Challenge
Am I being trolled?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 02:58:32 2017 No.9099305 >>9097524 im into bleeps nigga

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 03:05:54 2017 No.9099321

>>9099304
The second line was just for fun, I'm fully aware that one can't listen to all the music.

Point taken, but isn't this how it is with everything? Ask any professional philosopher, and they'll tell you that one shouldn't start his philosophical education with more than a cursory foray into the Greeks for exactly the reason you've given: he would alienate himself by reading a lot of things he wouldn't like or understand, and so he'd probably give up his pursuit just about there.
But nevertheless, such a list, such a run-down of the important works of philosophy can be useful. The student can come back and fill in gaps in his knowledge to crystalize in his mind the history of Western philosophical ideas. This is what I'm looking for; I'm not new to classical music, and nor am I looking to trudge through its history chronologically. Nevertheless, I'd like to fill the gaps in my picture, and so a list would be nice. If it isn't available in a convenient single page, a book or a course or a series would be great.

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 03:15:45 2017 No.9099338

>>9099321
The great courses have done several excellent music related courses. One of the ones I have is the history of Opera, and the other of classical music more generally. These are great ways of being given a curated walk-through, with carefully chosen and explained musical examples put into the context of their times, not just musically but also socially, but also in the broader context of what is important about them for the future development of classical music. If that's the sort of thing you are after then there are any number of books you can get which would do something similar. Many composers right books about music doing such things, though there are also plenty of more lay friendly books from others as well.

A simple list wouldn't be very helpful. You won't know why anything is important, or what it is about them that is important. Just some vague idea that something, somewhere about this is important for some reason because it is on this list. You really need a very solid base of not only musical theory but also of musicology to make much use of a list that only has names and dates.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 03:17:19 2017 No.9099342 >>9099338 thanks homie

Anonymous Mon Feb 13 03:37:01 2017 No.9099370

>>9099180
listen to classical FM radio.

keep an ear out for some names if you like their style.

I personally started with Gustav Mahler, Beethoven is good, Wagner is a homeboy, stay away from Mozart.

also if you like anime, watch Legends of the Galactic Heroes.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 08:48:22 2017 No.9099970 >>9098849 >jazz complexiety Yeah I'm sure counterpoint is easy job for the jazz improvising monkeys. Fucking jazz plebs are the worst, at least pop/rock faggots know that they are inferior.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 08:49:39 2017 No.9099973 >>9099970 Holy..... classical is so mathematical dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 08:50:55 2017 No.9099976 I still dont understand why you spergs need to compete for what kind of music is the best Why dont you just appreciate each kind of expression on it's own?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 13 08:53:05 2017 No.9099983 >>9099973 >mathematical >why use complex ways to make greater music why are jazzfaggots such plebs? just because you're a brainlet and can't comprehend complex music it doesn't means nothing. Oh and you dont even know about romanticism, its really sad.

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