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>> No.9012908
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>> No.9012922

Ibsen's Ghosts. I was kinda reading it, then I stopped to update some shit on my kindle, thus I shitpost.

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Published in 1895.

Its really cool to see how out of date all the """advice""" is

>> No.9012929

>>9012926

Sounds fun, could you give an example?

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>>9012899

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>>9012929

here he says dieting is a fad and wont help with weight loss

>> No.9012965

>>9012941
This is true though
Its easier to run around for 30 minutes a few times a week than it is to have self control and not eat what you want to

>> No.9012975

>>9012965
Speak for yourself. I enjoy fasting but hate moving.

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>> No.9012983

>>9012965

>Dieting only succeeds in reducing the formation of fat, and does nothing toward getting rid of fat after it is acquired

This is demonstrably wrong

>> No.9012986

>>9012941

He's mostly right though. He's wrong about the belief that exercise, rather than diet, causes weight loss. But he's correct that the idea of dieting is flawed, that people are lazy as fuck, and that certain foods produce more fat (aka fat because it's more calorie-dense).

But I love the language, terms like "combating corpulency" and "fleshy people". I wish modern publications could still do that.

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>>9012986

If you like his turn of phrase you'll love this bit

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>> No.9013060

The complete works of Dazai.

Big thanks to whoever recommended Schoolgirl some time ago when I mentioned Snow Country (雪国). Am now slowly going through his anthology, hoping for more like that. So far, I'm not disappointed.

I doubt I understand what the author tried to convey even the slightest, but it's somewhat fun to mull over the pieces and figure out how to relate them to myself.

>> No.9013074

>>9012922
good ass play my man
You should read the Wild Duck if you haven't already

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just when you think it cannot possibly crawl further up its own ass the ascent begins anew

>> No.9013096

>>9013060
You reading it in Japanese? How is that?

>> No.9013135

>>9013096
Yes. It's a bit of a challenge, honestly. These works are over fifty years old, mostly meaning that I need to look up some words every now and than. But most meaning can be established from context.

It's fun to read something way out of my comfort zone, if nothing else.

>> No.9013241

>>9013011
arden
hello newfag

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If anything I'm just more confused now

>>9012899
How's Sellout?

>>9013077
Why would you do this to yourself?

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>> No.9013436

>>9013241
Hey there, pleb. Next time be sure to lurk more before trying to quote or fit here.

>> No.9013487

I'm unironically reading God Emperor of Dune.

>> No.9013505

>>9013430
Is this as kek worthy as Greek mythology?

>> No.9013531

>>9013505
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "kek worthy."

I think it's certainly interesting from the perspective of how influential some of the myths were on the myths of other ancient cultures. Although, I think in a more literary sense it is less interesting than you get from lots of Greek texts. Much of the text is also quite fragmentary, which is a shame.

Definitely an interesting read though.

>> No.9013538

>>9012999
Favorite passages?

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favourite so far:

>Ur matta och sjunkna ögon
>jag såg hur det sköt en glans,
>jag såg hur det fuktigt lyste
>bak skimrande ögonfrans.

>Hon stannat vid blomsterbutiken
>med en svulten parvel vid hand,
>där stodo de två och tryckte
>sig tätt mot rutans rand.

>Måhända det var ett minne
>som gav åt kinden glöd,
>måhända det var en vårdröm
>som nu låg grusad och död.

>Och pilten blickar halvt ängsligt,
>halvt frågande upp på mor,
>det var som en halvväckt aning
>över hans anlet for.

>Så stodo i tystnad de båda
>med ögon i klartänd brand,
>och parveln fingrade tveksam
>på rutan med mager hand.

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>> No.9013572

>>9012899
Book was funny, but ultimately disappointing and "Kangz"ish.

The big problems I have, is that segregation has already happened in many areas, and the schools are absolute garbage.

Also,
>implying whites would be unhappy with blacks segregating themselves.

>> No.9013573

>>9013531

Do you know any other interesting books on mythology? I have both Bullfinch and Edith Hamilton, but I'm looking to get into non-Western mythology as well.

>> No.9013578

>>9013573
Not really anon, sorry. I myself am only just getting in to non-Western stuff.

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Surprisingly funny desu

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>>9013573
Prose Edda, and the D'aulaires children's books. Gutenberg has lots of good shit as well. If you want to make a little effort, you could definitely find up to date prose translations using wikipedia. I just found pic related to make a point.

>> No.9013617

The posthumous memoirs of Bras Cubas. A really nice book.

>> No.9013619

>>9013587

i know right?

literally laughed out loud at the bit with the Officer he hates

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>>9012899

>> No.9013633

>>9012899
Grapes of Wrath

>> No.9013637

Fear and Loathing in LV. It's fun

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Pretty good so far, kind of amazed at the interviews this guy got. Goebbels, Himmler, and even Hitler himself.

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Based Čapek

>> No.9013696

>>9013682
Is T Lothrop Stoddard a Pynchonian name?

>> No.9013704

>>9013696
Odd name, isn't it? I am not really sure was Pynchonian is though, never read Gravity's rainbow

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Well, I'm doing it.

I'm gonna start with the Greeks after being a sheltered STEMlord for a couple years and not reading a single, non-class-related book. I hope I didn't fall for a meme.

>> No.9013782

>>9013683

Is that better than RUR or War of the Newts, I hope?

>> No.9013785

>>9013732
The first part is pretty boring, don't let it make you give up.

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Loving it. About 60% through and it might be my favorite from Pynchon.

>> No.9013851

>>9013732
Starting with the greeks is literally the most STEM way to get into literature. The Greeks are only necessary for outright allegories like Ulysses. Everything else is best to read on its own terms, don't fall for the meme that literature is about knowing exactly what the author was thinking. It's about finding stimulating ideas and appreciating a work's aesthetic qualities.

>> No.9013909

>>9013795
How are you finding it?

>> No.9013917

Silence by Shusaku Endo

Not sure if it's the translation, but this seems to be very down on the Japanese as a race for something that is written by a Japanese man. Very keen on the introspective from other cultures looking in

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Only a few chapters in.

>> No.9013936

The Brothers Karamazov
pretty good so far desu

>> No.9013942

Just finished Hojoki, now reading Essays in idleness.

I like Hojoki, it makes me feel good as a NEET

>> No.9014182

>>9012899

I have the UK edition, the same but without "A Novel" in the middle.

Are Americans so impatient and stupid that they now need "A Novel" on the front of every non-fiction book so they don't buy it by mistake thinking it's a biography?

>> No.9014187

>>9013928

Just as far as Germany

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comfy

>> No.9014218

>>9012899
Unironically War & Peace - Leo Tolstoy

I started this time last month, and am almost halfway through

If you're a pleb like me, start with something shorter. It's a good book but it does get slow

>> No.9014247

The Idiot

Only about 100 pages in but it's good so far. Myshkin is a likable character and seeing Dostoyevsky talk about his almost execution was really interesting.

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This juicy 3,400 page little hoe

>> No.9014366

>>9013572
>Book was funny, but ultimately disappointing and "Kangz"ish.

Translation: I like it but don't want to admit it because it's black people

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>>9012899

I find it to be cryptic due lack of understanding of older english language. I sort of wish there was a more modern wording but that would be lazy of me.

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>>9012899
I've been reading this edition for a while. Currently reading Hamlet

>> No.9014415

>>9014366

Real Translation: it's overall a good book but it has some glaring issues and puts too much of an emphasis on Whites purposely controlling supposed African superiority.

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>>9012899
It's sick as fuckkkkkk

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This book is what I'm reading. I'm well aware its old but it ties into my thesis on gentlemanly capitalism.

>> No.9014422

>>9013909
Only about 30 pages in, but great so far. Shouldn't take me long to finish, it's pretty short.

>> No.9014425

>>9014386
>>9014386
I had been reading the Penguin edition and it's very readable.

>> No.9014442

Revolutionary Road by Richard Yates

It reads like Mad Men fan fiction but with less work and less sex. It's fucking bad. I'm gonna stick to the classics from here on out.

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>>9012899
80% through and I think it's great. Been taking notes, although it's not necessary. Allusion-rich

>> No.9014492

>>9012934
Hey me too. I'm finding the translation to be very readable, if not all that poetic. Though the archaic names are kind of annoying.

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I've got 30 pages left but the socialist fapping is killing my motivation to continue reading. I wish this had a better ending.

>> No.9015095

>>9014419

biggest cuck on the planet

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I'm starting this in an hour when I'm done with my current book, I can't wait

>> No.9015126

I've taken some rest time after barreling through other stuff. Some casual Borges rereads, and also a Journey to the West excerpt for class. Probably starting the second half of meme wolfe's shit tomorrow.

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>> No.9015599

>>9014247
Same here desu

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>> No.9016993

>>9015179
Nice one. The film is a pretty faithful adaptation if you're into that. I enjoyed it.

>> No.9017007

>>9015125
is this some borges/marquez fan fiction?

>> No.9017013

War and Peace.

Bit dry isn't it?

About 200 pages in. Should I persevere?

>> No.9017016

>>9015179
i ordered this book on a mishima binge. when i read the back cover's synopsis, i realized that i had forgotten I HAD READ IT BEFORE.

i like mishima, but repressed this book for some reason.

>> No.9017287

Currently been reading Moby Dick and The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

>> No.9017321

edwards: drawing on the right side of the brain
stadelmann: a consultation with a midwife
aurelius: meditations
hollis: how to make a home

plus an audiobook for commuting to work

nietzsche: beyond good and evil

>> No.9018080

>>9015095
You can read literature you don't agree with, anon.

I disagree wholeheartedly so far (page 62 rn) but intend to finish it anyway.

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>> No.9018142

>>9014807
Literally worst ending I have ever read. 80 pages of just socialistic pamphlet babbling.

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Currently reading the sympathizer.

It's generally pretty good, but it's a bit heavyhanded with some of what Nguyen is trying to say.

Where I am, a bit shy of halfway through, the main character gets asked to review a movie script about the vietnam war, so that Nguyen can rant about asian's depictions in movies.

>> No.9018435

>>9015179
>>9017016

I'm halfway through Spring Snow, it's alright if a bit slow going - does it pick up in the last half?

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>> No.9018456

>>9014182

Its target audience is black/liberal. Yes it needs a trigger warning on the front.

>> No.9018476

>>9018174
I found it underwhelming, for similar reasons to you. Certainly doesn't live up to the hype (then again, what does?)

>> No.9018666

>>9018174
Fuck, I was just assigned this.

>> No.9018732

To friends who have finished The Sellout, is it worth reading after the father dies? I stopped reading a few chapters after that out of boredom. He was the only one who made the book interesting.

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>>9012899
50 pages in

>> No.9018776

>>9018732
I thought it was laugh out loud funny, but it gets more and more preachy and eye rolly towards the end.

>> No.9018814

>>9018776
Thanks anon

>> No.9018821

>>9018758

finished today.

seriously, memes aside, the worst book i ever read in my entire life. what a load of crap.

>> No.9018825

>>9014807
>>9018142
>30 pages left but the socialist fapping is killing my motivation to continue reading.
>80 pages of just socialistic pamphlet babbling.

That's literally what it was. A Socialist group paid Sinclair $500 to write it. He lamented the fact the message people took from it was about food quality and not the workers' revolution.

>> No.9018826

>>9013555
hey how is los relampagos de agosto? I've read instrucciones para vivir en mexico pero nada más, que tal el libro?

>> No.9018835

>>9014360
Hey how is that?

I was thinking about buying it because I'm real partial to the Oxfords the little individual ones but I was hesitant due to the price and size of this thing

>> No.9018869

>>9013587
Parts when the underground man remarked at the absurdity and counter-intuitiveness of his phrases and how most would laugh at them inspired me to laugh even harder, sasuga Dostojewski. But in the later apropos the laughs were over.

>> No.9018872

>>9018821
the only thing that I have gleamed from it. is that it seems legit racist, like did people really use the term colored in the 80s. Also I have a feeling it isnt that good racism aside

>> No.9018881

>>9018872
>did people really use the term colored in the 80s
I hope this is bait

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So far i good, i just wish that they were longer most stories are two pages each

>> No.9018908

>>9018821
Agreed. thought it was intentionally bad, got 50 pages in, realized it was just bad, read the rest so I could definitively say it was bad. it was very very bad

>> No.9018914

I have just finished Jakob Von Gunten which I really enjoyed. I would definitely recommend it.
What should I read next: To The Lighthouse - Virginia Woolf, or, The Adventures of Huck Finn - Mark twain? Keeping in mind that I have not been seriously reading literature for very long. Also, I have not read Tom Sawyer yet. Is that required before reading Huck Finn?

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>>9012899
Perhaps not different enough from Fooled by Randomness, but still pretty good.

>> No.9018930

>>9015179
Same here, m8. Loving it so far.

>> No.9019237

>>9018826
Excelente, Ibargüengoita es criminalmente infravalorado y soprendentemente gracioso.
Las muertas también es muy bueno

>> No.9019721

>>9013553
I wish I could appreciate swedish /lit/. I just can't take it seriously at all. I cringe whenever I see stuff like this.

>> No.9019745

>>9019721
>everything that rhymes is v:stl-nd

>> No.9019767
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It's a bit boring. Wonderfully conspiratorial in places with great imagery and ideas pertaining to Sumerian myth but it flags when it wants to be an action-packed comic-book (which is pretty often, tbqh). I'm less than 100 pages from the end but struggling to put the effort in to finish it. Terrible characters too, although I've heard they're supposed to be parodies so w/e.

>> No.9019891

I just finished Ray Bradbury's Martian Chronicles, should I pickup Fahrenheit 451?

>> No.9019895

>>9019891
yes

>> No.9019931

>>9013573
I've found Celtic Myths and Legends by Peter Ellis to be pretty damn good.

But, it is pretty much my very first exposure to Celtic myths and legends.

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Just started getting into this one. Really good so far, especially as someone who is polarised against religion.

>> No.9020057

>>9012899
Thus
Spake
Zarathustra

So far it's an unwieldy ball of pretension. We'll see if it gets any better as I actually get into it.

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Starting with volume 1: Hell.

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>> No.9020154

>>9020135
also I can't read Italian so
inb4 pleb doesn't even read original text

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Shi Ching
Mulberry and Peach

Both are pretty good.

>> No.9021291

>>9018448
no fucking way! i ordered this edition as well as the gyo and the tomie one (which just came out). also, his cat diary, which is pretty funny.

i've never read or bought comics/manga before, but i felt like supporting this guy's work, which is obviously unique.

how are you finding it? i just read the chapter about the hair fight between the two girls.

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>>9012899

Good ol' Virginia.

>> No.9021375

>>9012899
plato - parmenides

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Thor calling people faggots is fun

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>>9012899
This, it has been great so far, my only concern is that it's too long and i'm reading in english which slows me down a bit. Is it worth finishing or should i read left wing shit instead?

>> No.9021547

>>9013829
I've read everything by him except this. Tried it twice but both times ended up being false starts where I couldn't get past the first 50 or so pages. The chums of chance stuff in the beginning is just way too dorky. None of his other books took me that long to get into.