Marxism and Hermeticism

[Anonymous No.893083]

Hi /lit/, I have something to ask you about. I've always been interested in the fact that Hegel, as a precursor of Marx, was an avid fan of both Christian and heterodox mysticism (ie Boehme, Alchemy, etc.) Though of course the classic claim is that Marx turned the dialectic on its head, we scads of followers who resume a form of almost hermetic Marxism (Jameson, Zizek, Badiou, and so on). What I suppose I'm asking is, do you think that there was a mystical cabalistic spirit that remained a sort of residue in Marx's method which transferred into a more blatantly idealistic form later?

[Anonymous No.893089]

Sorry, OP here, *we have scads of followers...

[Anonymous No.893093]

No.

Sorry I don't have a more informative answer, I just don't think you can trace that kind of lineage.

[Anonymous No.893096]

>>893093
Why are all the continental Marxists such weirdos then. Even Benjamin starts talking about a "Weak Messianic" revolutionary urge.

[None !UyhAEqbnp. No.893099]

The amazing thing is they actually used those stupid trumpit-things as a means of aircraft detection... back before radar

[Anonymous No.893101]

>>893099
They are Marxist aether shooting devices.

[Anonymous No.893102]

>>893096
they're weirdos because they're weirdos, not because of some bizarre hermeneutic lineage. there's a variety of other causes for it. i am too tired to go into it but there rae

[Anonymous No.893107]

>>893102
Just admit it, you're a wizard.

[Anonymous No.893119]

Marxism *is* mysticism.

See Russell, Schumpeter, Einstein, Hayek, Popper, Mencken, Rothbard, Freud, et al. on the topic.

[Anonymous No.893123]

>>893119
But if it is, its a very unique form of mysticism. Something we've never seen before I think.

[Anonymous No.893124]

>>893119
The problem with these readings is that their politically motivated and derisive, they don't actually try to engage with the material.

[Anonymous No.893144]

>>893123

I think Paul Gottfried got it right when he noted the distinction between classical Marxism as a series of logical mistake and modern Marxism as a secular religion in search of dogma. His book 'The Strange Death of Marxism' is highly recommended.

[Anonymous No.893149]

>>893144
Along these lines Raymond Aron's book "The Opiate of the Intellectuals" is very good at achieving a very similar purpose.

[Anonymous No.893150]

>>893124
Genetic fallacy. Besides, how do you know they're all "politically motivated" as opposed to the arguments coming first and then the political conclusions? Russell and Einstein were hardly right-wingers, for example, yet noted the religionist characteristics of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.893193]

Does Historian still come around?

>>893083
Are you implying that Marx became more blatantly idealistic in his later writings, or that Marxism became more blatantly idealistic with its contemporary practitioners?

[Anonymous No.893339]