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is he the most redpilled author ever to have lived?

>> No.8928696

>>8928683
That would be Hitler, you weeb-loving faggot-enabler

Take the ACTUAL redpill

>> No.8928712
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He thought the pill was growth hormones.

>> No.8928713
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>> No.8928745
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Yes. He was a revolutionary poet, who's greatest impact is yet to come. Revolutionary Poets are more dangerous than philosophers, they provide a mythic vision which allows the believer to overcome the moral barrier, as to do what is needed.

Once the social disparity will grow large enough in japan, radical students will rediscover his work and commit to his cause, and as such the traditional values of Japan, which he was able to synergize with modern japan in his novel "Runaway Horses".

Bonsaiiiiiiiiiii!

>> No.8928798

>>8928683
Considering he was a suicidal homosexual who believed his death would actually mean something - no.

>> No.8928845
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>>8928683
Having ideals means bluepilled.

>> No.8928891

>>8928745
>they provide a mythic vision which allows the believer to overcome the moral barrier
I really like this, I think it hearkens back to Mishima's belief in the power of hero worship.

>> No.8928903

>>8928712
That was far taller than average in Japan at the time idiot

>> No.8928944

>>8928712
top kek

>> No.8928953

>>8928903
average japanese 17yo schoolboy was 5'4" in 1950

nice try homo

>> No.8928965

>>8928683
That would be Ezra Pound. Read Canto XLV.

>> No.8928968

>>8928953
Prove it lanklet

>> No.8929152

>>8928845
Actually not. Mishima was quite unspooked. You can witness in Runaway Horses how the protagonist spiritual and political ideals are deconstructed by Honda. Mishima was absolutely aware of the spooky nature of his ideals, but despite of this he commited to it. This is the nietzschean extension of Stirners philosophy. After one realizes that one lives in a world of passive nihilism, of eternal emptyness, it is the commited descrutive, nihilist act, that is done despite of it's emptyness and as such reaches genuine spiritual anti-nihilistic value. Stirner was not against Ideals, he simpl analyzed that the ideals to which society exposed us, had no real substance.

>> No.8929165

>>8928745
>Revolutionary Poets are more dangerous than philosophers,

Yeah, I've heard even Slavoj Zizek mention that. Poets are dangerous people when put into the right position of power.

>> No.8929177

>>8929165
Shit /lit/ actually believes

>> No.8929182

>>8928798
>who believed his death would actually mean something
He really didn't.

>>8928968
http://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/05/30/173407
>1950 average height being almost 5.4

>> No.8929279

>>8929152
Is post-egoism the ultimate redpill?

>> No.8929289

>>8929279
Needing to reboot your belief in memes is just taking the bluepill again.

Nietzsche was a pussy who couldn't deal with nihilism so he had to try to 'solve' it. He failed.

>> No.8929302

>>8929165
At least post the sniffing slovenian video or explain further.

>> No.8929309

>>8929289
>He failed
>nihilist cucks like you still feel the need to insult him as a "pussy" over 100 years after he died

Hmm... strange....

>> No.8929313

>>8929309
he made me read his oeuvre only to find out he has nothing to offer, not very nice of him desu

>> No.8929321

>>8929152
>Mishima was quite unspooked
he literally seppukucked himself in a military base full of soldiers laughing at him.

>> No.8929328

>>8929309
>He failed
he did, look around you

>nihilist cucks like you still feel the need to insult him as a "pussy" over 100 years after he died
he's just calling it as it is

>> No.8929332

>>8929313
>influenced many of the greatest writers of the 20th century
>and also uncucked Mishima so hard, that he turned his entire life around

>>8929321
He knew his coup d'etat would fail. As he has shown in Runaway Horses he was under no illusions regarding his cause and how the japanese society would react to reactionary political actions (remember the prison scene with Isao), it is the redpilledness that made him do it nonetheless.

>> No.8929333
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>>8928683
He was a mentally ill individual with significant daddy issues that manifested sexually (most notably in his formation of a gay leather-daddy paramilitary organization with notes of imperial infantry mixed in). His physical frailness and imposed feminine behavior in his childhood transformed him into an ultra-masculine manlet who only found beauty in the masculine form, both in male physicality and in militant non-feminine action, as evidenced in Patriotism, SWFfGwtS, Runaway Horses. In the end, his extreme idolization of the masculine aesthetic and samurai glory proved utterly empty (Decay of the Angel) and he decided to put on a suicide play that fit in with his written works.

This is not to say he wasn't an interesting individual, but to say he is red-pilled and out yourself as a spooked anti-intellectual faggot would probably be incorrect.

>> No.8929336

>>8929328
>hasn't even read Zarathustra

Nietzsche prognosed the state of society that we are in now. How did he fail if all turned out just as he had predicted? His vision of the Überman is one of the end of mankind, which he himself saw as far away.

>> No.8929339

>>8929332
>regarding his cause
To die in a live Noh play before age stripped him of his meager gains?

He literally says in Sun and Steel that one should seek to die grandly before time steals beauty.

>> No.8929340
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>>8928745
>Bonsaiiiiiiiii!

ffs /lit/

>> No.8929342

>>8929333
>what is thirst for love
>what is patriotism: the movie
>what is golden temple
>what is Sea of Fertility #3

>> No.8929356

>>8929332
marx influenced even more people, doesn't mean he was right.

>> No.8929361

>>8929339
Beauty was everything to him, but the ultimate beauty lay beyond himself. It lay in the japanese culture, with the emperor as it's symbolic center. To sacrifice his life for this, was a beautiful death. He wrote: I want to live forever, on his death note. And this was his goal. Uniting beauty with action, through the symbolic act of seppuku, gave his life a beauty beyond his physical presence - his life became symbolic and thus extended beyond life itself. Thus he's still by far the most discussed japanese author, despite there being many writers in japan of similiar merit.

>>8929356
Apparently both Marx and Nietzsche had something to offer though. Your own limited perspective is irrelevant senpai.

>> No.8929363

>>8929336
Nietzsche tried to offer an alternative, a reevaluation of the values of our society. He announced this work many times. Then during the writing on it he gave up, published a few scraps of what he already had and went insane.

>> No.8929371

>>8929333
>anti-intellectual
spook

>> No.8929376

>>8929342
>What is obsession with aesthetic
>What is obsession with duty and action
>What is the eventual destruction of an ancient beauty by time and chance and an autist
>What is trumped by 4, where he throws the reincarnation in the air and writes everything off

>>8929361
Between Sun and Steel and Decay of the Angel 4, I simply cannot see his early love of Japan (which i believe did have a deep effect on him early on) as his death drew near.

>> No.8929378

>>8929371
too many times have I see the "redpilled" refuse to read or consume the other side's output. That is refusing to read deeply. Do you think Voltaire didnt read on divine right?

>> No.8929395

>>8929376
>hasn't read thirst for love
>isn't aware that duty and action are glorified also in the action of the wife, that are shown explicitly and much longer than the male counterparts in the flick
>says mishima only found beauty in the male form, while golden temple contraposes two forms of beauty, the passing beauty which is constituted by it's temporality and the (according to mishima) eternal beauty that dominates all life
>What is misreading the trumping of 4, in which Honda's deterioriation much rather than the proof that they weren't reincarnations all along is displayed - by him misidentifying the 4th youth - and thus not writing anything off, which means that #3-girl is a female reincarnation of isao and kiyoaki, that is actually foreshadowed in a lenthy and feverish dream in runaway horses

>> No.8929406

>>8929302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEX9K4TLTVE

An hour long, but its alright

>> No.8929413

>>8929406
>that title

continentals cant keep getting away with this

>> No.8929415

>>8929376
How could you not see it in Runaway Horses, in which Isao, Mishima's literal object of desire as he is a reflection of his (supposed) lover, commits to a life serving the tenno, not even the real tenno but a symbolic one that practically unites the japanese people as brothers and sisters.

Also the documentary on him by BBC shows him talking about japanese culture with some very interesting thoughts. He calls it a bloodthirsty nation, and as is known, blood, his own thirst for blood, was an essential topic for Mishima up until the very end.Both Kiyoaki and Isao are "timeless", as they defy the morality and cultural values of their westernized culture.

>> No.8929427

>>8929415
+ he commited to a life of sword and pen, as he himself states, after his journey to greece, which is in his late phase. Identifying a fathe complex is wrong i think, i believe that his grandmother, a noble old woman that hated westernized japan, had a much greater influence on him. Their shared history is quite interesting. I recommend everyone Yourcenar's book on Mishima, though she doesn't get him as much as i do, since she isn't a homomale :^^^)

>> No.8929431

>>8929378
>read
spook

>> No.8929441

>>8929361
>Beauty was everything to him, but the ultimate beauty lay beyond himself. It lay in the japanese culture, with the emperor as it's symbolic center. To sacrifice his life for this, was a beautiful death. He wrote: I want to live forever, on his death note. And this was his goal. Uniting beauty with action, through the symbolic act of seppuku, gave his life a beauty beyond his physical presence - his life became symbolic and thus extended beyond life itself. Thus he's still by far

This is the most japanese thing I've read in my life. All of japanese idealistic philosophy is based on these exact ideas all the way back to japanese middle ages, hence seppuku for mishima.

What is not explored at all is the real of japanese philosophy, as it is exemplified by the living japanese today: ultra-consumerist, extremely conservative, cowardly, escapist, ignorant of the world and innately self absorbed.

Mishima died so that the japanese could keep believing the ideals espoused by the japanese (beaty, perfection, immortality, immutability) represent them. Hence, a gay man commits suicide to bring back the emperor, and the japanese dont have to look in the mirror and realise nobody ever believed in that bullshit in the first place, it was just a lie to create and keep society in existence, hence an emperor who rules over nothing.

>> No.8929744

>>8928683
>Babyhead thoughts on anarchism
He's an Asian bimbo. Probably a good writer, he's got me on that. Just not too bright.

>Kills self
Oh so "red pilled"

>> No.8929753

>>8929441
Still, if you study a life as one might study a play, Mishima's life has a mystique.

He circumvented his inability to have children by inventing a sort of maverick traditionalism, and so lived on through his work.

Isn't that what we all want?

>> No.8929771

>>8929744
Except attitudes toward suicide are different in Japan you ignorant fucking mongoloid.

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>>8928712
>5'1"

>> No.8929811

He was mentally ill and wrote gibberish.

>> No.8929880

>>8929771
You're saying he's not "red pilled"
It doesn't matter what Japan thinks of suicides. Do you think I judge him like a Christian would?
Gimme a break.

>> No.8930204

>>8928712
>5'1

can someone translate this to measurements from the civilized world?

>> No.8930232

>>8930204
1.55448 meters

>> No.8930235

>>8929811
>wrote gibberish
Maybe if you read at a 5th grade level

>> No.8930236

>>8929363

He offered a mindset where we always question and reevaluate our ethics and morals, anti-lastman. Any viewpoint that orbits a preexisting one is bound to cause insanity. "Counter-X" predicates an existing "X." Ultimately he failed whereas Kant's Universal maxim is falsifieable.

>> No.8930249
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Is The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea a good starter?

I read his Patriotism short and I fell in love with his writing.

>> No.8930261

>>8929152
>I espouse everything with my two favorite meme philosophers

>> No.8930294

>>8929744
Wrong thread Commie, you have little to no grasp on the man's work.

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>>8930294
Tell your brown shirt friends to get out of my thread, liberal.

>> No.8930903

>>8930315
This thread is my private property.

>> No.8930914

>>8929333

trips confirm, great post

>> No.8930915

>>8930315
Shouldn't you be busy defending all those very viable examples of anarchism in practise

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>>8928696
Do you honestly think that the ultimate secret about reality and our world has anything to do with race?

You think that's air you're breathing?

>> No.8931491

>>8930903
I know. It's mine.

>>8930915
No extra effort is needed. The semi-anarchists and proto-anarchists are doing a fine job of it themselves

>> No.8931581

>>8929441
>What is not explored at all is the real of japanese philosophy, as it is exemplified by the living japanese today: ultra-consumerist, extremely conservative, cowardly, escapist, ignorant of the world and innately self absorbed.

>who is Honda
>who are the various side characters in many of his stories
>what is Mishima's coup-speech right before his suicide

>> No.8931588

>>8930249
Start with Confessions of a Mask

>>8930261
Mishima was heavily formed by Nietzsche's philosophy, it was through him that he "discovered" the greeks. I simply (i'm that Anon, was on a different pc) pointed out how Nietzsche's though is an extension of Stirners, as the post i replied to referenced Stirner.

>> No.8931604

>>8929376
Not surpising considering most of his work has never been translated into english. His large collection of political and cultural writings which deal directly with his views remain only in japanese. But I suggest you pick up his commentary on Hagakure which was seminal in his thinking

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>>8931604
>commentary on Hagakure

This one?

>> No.8931625

>>8929165
They're more likely to be romantics, of course they're more dangerous

>> No.8931634

>>8928712
I feel sad this is my actual height

>> No.8931640

>>8931618
Yes. Also if you can read Spanish, check out "Lecciones Espirituales para los jóvenes samuráis", there's a pdf floating about. I doubt we may ever see many of his overtly political works in english considering how "inciting to violence" they are

>> No.8932067

>>8931634
As you should

>> No.8932075

>skipping leg day
no.

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>>8931588
Thanks, I'll give it a go, sadly no audiobooks available.

>> No.8932190

>>8928712
>Chad jawline
>almost a midget

life is cruel

>> No.8932383

>>8928845
Can someone explain this "spook" meme to me?

>> No.8932422

>>8932383
Meme shit that isn't even in the book. /lit/ likes him because "le epic cariacture man xDDD"

>> No.8932475

>>8930204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbBcxOcoZ_4

>> No.8932511

>>8929333
well that's what "red-pilled" means

>> No.8932544
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Why do you guys always have to make everything about politics and your own pathetic identity? I really appreciate Mishima as an artist and person including his issues and ideals. But all you do is bicker about whether he's your big daddy or as much of a loser as you. It's fucking pathetic.

>> No.8932577

>>8932475
Shit, really felt sorry for the guy.

>> No.8932802 [DELETED] 

Where can I read this "red pill" ? I understand cultures have iq disparities and different categorizations of the majority of a certain cultures actions.

But where I can I read this ?

>> No.8932806

>>8932475
What a fucking vapid bitch. And I'm 6'5.

>> No.8933261

>>8932475
she looks like a tranny

>> No.8933345

>>8932577
>>8932806
>>8933261
lmao. angry little fellas

>> No.8933856

>>8932544
Holy...I want more....

>> No.8934109

>>8932544
>Why do you guys always have to make everything about politics and your own pathetic identity?
Ask Mishima.

>> No.8934561

>>8929152
So he was the Japanese Kierkegaard. No wonder I see nothing in him.
>>8929279
Anything that puts you to sleep is this memer pill of yours.

>> No.8935716

>>8929177
Stalin was a published poet as a young man. Georgians still read him, even though they're credited as "anon".

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>>8930249

>> No.8935827

>>8934561

>So he was the Japanese Kierkegaard. No wonder I see nothing in him.

Obviously not from the post you're replying to, Kierkegaard took the leap of faith.

>> No.8935833

>>8932383
Essentially, a spook is something along the lines of an abstract concept that can only exist in an abstract world, such as "man" or "society" or "God" but is forced onto the physical world and valourized more than one's own personal gain. Read the Ego and its own for a better explanation than this tl;dr.