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For these threads we'll follow a rough list of:

The Iliad
The Odyssey
Theogony

and work our way up to Shakespeare's Tragedies.

We'll first read the Iliad.
Broken into 24 books, I think we can read 2 of them a day. Supplementary reading is optional. Even if you've already read the Iliad or the Greeks, come take part in discussion if you'd like. No set translation is expected, and the Iliad is within public domain, so any translation online would do fine.

We begin with the origins of the war, the thoughts within two great commanders' heads, and trickery

>> No.8914388

When is this starting? I would be interested in actually starting with the Greeks.

>> No.8914392
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>>8914368
10/10 keen
can some sperg make a schedule so I can write it into my calendar

>> No.8914410

>>8914388
preferably tomorrow.
>>8914392
none needed, just remember to read 2 books out of it a , If this is too demanding for some reason then we can cut to one book a day, but that seems awfully slow

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>>8914392
>be 8
>dad is a fat tub of lard
>sat in front of the tv all day
>never paid any attention to me
>Died at 54
>Me and my mom were heartbroken
>Decide to stay healthy
>Go to gym
>Eat fruits and veggies
>Never ate sugar
>Go to 4chan
>this post gives me cancer
>mfw

>> No.8914439

Anyone got the greek chart?

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>>8914439

>> No.8914443

I thought the Shakespeare reading group was gonna be its own thing?

>> No.8914447

>>8914443
I'll make a thread for it, give me a minute.

>> No.8914451

>>8914443
go for it, probably wouldn't hurt to try. I was just thinking long term.

>> No.8914454

Plebs get in here right now or gtfo.

>> No.8914459

>>8914447
Managing two groups is a big responsibility and alot of work. Combining the groups is advisable unless you are a NEET and have time to keep the threads updated.

>> No.8914464

>>8914447
Don't worry brah, I got it

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8914489

Bumping for the Greeks

>> No.8914502

Can we agree upon two books a day out of the Iliad and to start tomorrow?

>> No.8914507

Make a schedule you mega faggots.

>> No.8914509

>>8914502
seconded

>> No.8914523

>>8914507
Starting on the 2nd?

>> No.8914524

>>8914507
This. OP you have to be a leader and get the ball rolling at least in the beginning.

>> No.8914532

>>8914507
>>8914524
I don't see the need for a schedule. We simply read 2 books out of the Iliad for 12 consecutive days, in chronological order.

Did you guys expect break days or something? If so, let me know.

>> No.8914539

I'm in the War and Peace, Count of Monte Cristo, and short story groups. Will the schedule be slow enough that I can join in, or is my load already heavy enough?

>> No.8914544

I'm down.

Anyone interested in starting a slack?

>> No.8914551

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16at7Sdl9j4meAsjQ2LscKc9qBnAigucKwTUsENzrmDE/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.8914552

>>8914539
You're a bit overworked, then. If you can manage another 50~100 pages of verse a day, you'll be golden

>> No.8914553

>>8914551
hello George

>> No.8914556

>>8914551
sort of highlights how unnecessary a schedule is, we might all have different editions so page numbers will be different

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>>8914539

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8914561

>average /lit/ user

>> No.8914565

>>8914561
/lit/ hair

>> No.8914569

Well, I'm in.

>> No.8914571

>>8914553
>>8914561
lit-senpai noticed me desu

>> No.8914574

we reading the Lattimore translation?

>> No.8914580

What are we going to read after the romans?

>> No.8914581

>>8914574
Im going to be reading the Samuel Butler translation.

>> No.8914583

>>8914580
more greeks

>> No.8914585

>>8914574
>>8914581
does not matter
>>8914580
who knows. I doubt half the people who will take part will remain after just the Iliad.

>> No.8914589

>>8914580
Probably skipping to Dante and Chaucer.

>> No.8914603

>>8914589
there is no need to skip

we could read beowulf, the song of roland and el cid

still, i don't think we will make it that far

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>>8914574
If someone is downloading/buying I say we just refer them to lattimore if they ask what translation.

Here is a schedule with dates which I think is helpful to have. I know it's a piece of shit but it's the best I can do until the third.

>> No.8914619

Does anyone want to start a slack for this group?

That way we can organize and centralize everything in the slack chat.


I really want to do a book club for the year

>> No.8914625

>>8914619
unfamiliar with the platform but ill join and learn if someone who knows more wants to start it up

>> No.8914632

>>8914625
slack is like a shitty commercial version of irc, just set up a channel on a public network instead of using some gay proprietary shit

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I made this

>> No.8914711

>>8914681
thanks. Will serve as our image here on out

>> No.8915031

I finished the Iliad and Odyssey recently so I won't be reading, but will take part in discussions.
How many anons will be reading for the first time?

>> No.8915073

>>8915031
My first time, but I've been looking for an excuse to for a while.

>> No.8915079

>>8915031
First time reading the Iliad.
I've read the Odyssey many times, but one more re-read sounds fun too.

>> No.8915292

So uh, why read The Iliad before Edith Hamilton's Mythology and before The First Poets?

>> No.8915378

>>8915292
Is that what you read before the Iliad? You skipped Ancient Greece: a political social and cultural history?

>> No.8915423

>>8915292
For anyone worried about not having enough background on the Iliad I recommend reading this. It's pretty much all you need.
http://pages.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/arch/iliad/IliadGuide01.html

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>invent the Start with the Greeks meme
>everyone is actually doing it
>mfw

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>>8915462
haha now theyre stuck reading timeless literature, suckers

>> No.8915481

>>8915467
kek

>> No.8915483

>>8915467
gottem!

>> No.8915486

>>8915031
>I finished the Iliad and Odyssey recently so I won't be reading, but will take part in discussions.
Same here, and I'm reading the Aeneid

>> No.8915675

I'm quite interested in this, are we centralising discussion here or on a slack or IRC channel or something?

>> No.8915686

>>8915675
I tank it should stay here, no need to split the discussion.

>> No.8915692

>>8915686

Alrighty, well I only own the Fagles translations, but I'll join in.

>> No.8915743

>>8915692
fagles here too bruh

>> No.8915785

who here superior pope translation?

>> No.8915791

So when are we starting? Can we put together a list of everything we will read?

>> No.8915848

Greetings fellow scholars! I recently purchased a copy of the Iliad to sit next to my odyssey, and have been waiting for the right time and impetus to delve into it. As such I shall be joining ye on this merry venture!

>> No.8915859

Have we agreed on which translation to use?

>> No.8915865

>>8915859
any

>> No.8915898

>>8914368
I'm about two thirds of the way through the Iliad, I'll maybe try and time it so I can read the Odyssey alongside you guys. Where are you going after theogony? I was planning to mainly focus on philosophy after finishing homer.

>> No.8915909

>not starting with Mythology by Edith Hamilton

>> No.8915969

>>8915898
>Where are you going after theogony?
I wouldn't worry too much about this, when we don't even know if these threads will survive the Catalogue of Ships...

That said, personally I recommend these threads to go for the tragedies of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides, there are more myths there (and the mysteries!) and they were a huge influence on the Aeneid, particularly Euripides, later plays and the writing of characters in general.

The are required reading especially if Shakespeare is supposed to be the long term objective.

Plato references the tragedies here and there and Aristotle talks about them in Poetics.

>> No.8915997

>>8914368
I'm in.

>> No.8916014

i'm in. hopefully some good supp material reccs sprout out while we're reading :^)

>> No.8916050

Awesome. I still have my copies of Illiad and Odyssey from when I was in High School. I'm in. So if I'm reading the thread right are we starting today then?

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>>8915909

>Reading female authors

>> No.8916290

>>8915909
>he didn't start with a brief history of Ancient Greece.

>> No.8917006

Seriously we should at least read Mythology by Edith Hamilton first. It's short and has the basis for all the the Greek works that follow. Even my public high school had us read it before starting the Iliad and the Odyssey.

>> No.8917068

>>8917006
Ah yes, that famous Greek author Edith Hamilton. For thousands of years no-one could read the Iliad until she wrote Mythology.

Seriously, if you're worried about myths (very little of which are touched on in Homer) then just use Wikipedia.

>> No.8917656

>>8917068

Dude, Homer is incoherent without the mythological backdrop. It's key to understanding literally everything. It's not just allusions. It's archetypal.

>> No.8917865

So has anyone read Book One and Two yet? Even though the roll call of the army is kind of boring I have to imagine that if I lived in ancient Greece it would have been cool to hear about what your town contributed to the war effort. In a small way it connected you all the way back to the Age of Heroes.

>> No.8917913

I think I'm going to skip The Iliad so I can read Mythology by Edith Hamilton, and then rejoin the group for The Odyssey.

>> No.8918186

Should I have all the shit about the leaders of both armies memorized? You know, the last 20 pages or so of book 2

To be honest, I skimmed that because I don't care at all.

>> No.8918191

>>8918186

No its not important to a modern reader. It was really so people listening could be like "yeah! So and so came from our town"

>> No.8918829

>>8917656
>Dude, Homer is incoherent without the mythological backdrop.
Yes, if you're fucking retarded. And even then, there's a thing called the internet which has all the information you need.

>> No.8919803

>>8918829

...so you're saying someone should read something else (on the internet) before the Illiad. Thanks for making my point for me. Dolt.

>> No.8919973

>>8918829
>>8919803
See
>>8915423
Plus doesn't Edit Hamilton write about the Iliad and the Odyssey in Mythology?
I read the Iliad having read only the ucsd introduction linked above.
Maybe I missed a few things by not knowing all the background, but starting a group with Mythology by Edith Hamilton is probably not going to bring in readers.

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>>8914442
Bad version, this one is better

>> No.8920033

When are we starting?

I just got the Stephen Mitchell translation from the library, is that good?

>> No.8920037

>>8920033
>When are we starting?
We already started. In this thread: >>8916511

>> No.8920055

>>8920037
thanks