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8874942 No.8874942 [Reply] [Original]

E-books/E-readers are a cancer that should be eradicated.

>> No.8874947

>>8874942
Why

>> No.8874951

I fucking hate progress too, pham, why can't we all just live in mud huts

>> No.8874956

>>8874947
Since the rise of the e-book/e-reader we have seen a decline in readership. They also serve to devalue books, to the point where many authors have to essentially follow the music industry format (artists release music for free/nearly free, only make profit from shows and merch).

>> No.8874959

>>8874956
what if im really poor? how do i get knowledge?

>> No.8874963

>>8874959
Go to a library.

>> No.8874966

>>8874959
You'll find a way.
OP is a faggot.

>> No.8874981

>>8874963
what if you don't have access to the library if at least you are an uni student?

>> No.8874984

>>8874956
The music industry comparison doesn't work. These days, the path that successful writers follow is to get a MFA and maybe a PhD, win some awards, and get a professorship.

>> No.8874991

>>8874981
There's literally no scenario where you don't have access to a library if you're in a western country where books. If you're not in a western country, you don't get to read. Probably would burn the pages for warmth anyways.

>> No.8874997

>>8874984
I already see most new writers giving away their art and relying on exploiting it for profit.

>> No.8875007

>>8874991
Why don't you think about the third worlds holes where having an Internet connetion is immensely cheaper than buying a single book?

>> No.8875009

>>8874956
>we have seen a decline in readership
Got any proof of that?

>> No.8875010

>>8874942

I've read more books on my phone with torrented epubs than I would have been able to afford or get to via library.

>> No.8875068

>>8875010
Congrats, you're still a thief.

>> No.8875080

>>8875068
Is reading at the library also thieving?

>> No.8875086

>>8875080
No, because the library pays for the books.

>> No.8875114

>>8875086
The person I download from paid for the book.

>> No.8875343

Ebooks make it easier to read books without buying, but they also make it easier to buy them. I'd say it cancels out.

>> No.8875352

>>8874942
Ebooks are the cheapest way to read

don't tell me a dead tree has to die just so you can enjoy a couple of words for a few minutes

>> No.8875380

>>8874942
what editions are the diagonal books?

>> No.8875391

>>8874942
>invisible man
opinion discarded

>> No.8875394

>>8874956
>Since the rise of the e-book/e-reader we have seen a decline in readership.
>correlation = causation

>> No.8875396

>>8875114
This, piracy is not stealing, it's sharing

>> No.8875399

>>8875352
>a dead tree has to die
just like my animes

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8875409

>>8874942
>worshipping depricated totems like a savage

I bet you listen to your vinyl while you shave with your straight razor and write with a fountain pen, fedoraman

>> No.8875410

>>8875396
95% of the books I read, I read them once through, then never again. I don't want to "own" books. If I buy them, I sell them when I've read them or give them away. And I usually buy used books anyways, so no profit goes to the publisher.

So I consider piracy just a shortcut to my library. I could go to the library, waste gas, time, library resources, but I'd rather just download it. I don't see any harm there because lots of people are willing to buy the book, physical copies even.

Most libraries have Overdrive anyways, so the line between borrowing/downloading is even more blurred. My local library buys books and pays Overdrive subscription fees. I feel, in some way, that this entitles me to download whatever I please. And further, whoever bought the downloaded item originally did pay for it. So it's all good, right!

>> No.8875413

>>8875409
I shave with a DE razor. Can I wear a Fedora too?

>> No.8875414

Information wants to be free, lads.

>> No.8875417

>>8875413
>double edgy

Yes you can.

>> No.8875426

>>8875417
I've saved so much money with a DE razor. You can buy blades by the carton.

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>>8874956

>> No.8875430

>>8875007
that's literally me, I live in a town in Saudi Arabia where there isn't a single library or even a decent bookshop. there are online shops where u can order books but they cost a lot. So e-reading is my only option apparently.

>> No.8875434

>>8875430
You're all princes over there. Don't lie you have tons of money.

>> No.8875436

>>8875410
This is kinda mostly accurate; only thing I'd argue is that in the case of smaller presses or self-publishing it's better to support them financially since a handful of sales can make or break their ability to keep going.

In some cases, though, piracy actually helps a work get discovered and become more profitable, since most people aren't willing to risk paying full price for an author they've never heard of. Gaiman talked about this a while ago, and says he doesn't especially mind getting pirated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&t=82s

>> No.8875440

>>8875434
For every prince there's a hundred paupers slaving to generate his wealth, anon.

>> No.8875441

>>8874942
>Waste $20 for 200 pages
>Waste $~80 for infinite pages
Just adapt it, writers!. :)

>> No.8875755

>>8874942
Shhh, quiet down, old-timer. The kids are talking.

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8875771

>>8874959
Gutenberg (https://www.gutenberg.org/)) is a man's best friend.

Also:

http://library.si.edu/books-online

https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/

http://www.collegeopentextbooks.org/

http://www.openculture.com/

http://www.bartleby.com/

https://www.edx.org/

https://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

https://www.mathsisfun.com/index.htm

You're welcome, /lit/izen.

>> No.8876217

>>8874951
>Implying progress is a good thing

>> No.8876328
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8876328

>Annual reading budget: $0.00

>> No.8876337

Illegally downloaded ebooks all the way. How much of a fucking faggot do you have to be to buy physical books?

>> No.8876343

Too much screen time is bad for your eyes though

>> No.8876345

>>8874951
>he believes in progress

>> No.8876349

>>8876343
Start by not spending 16 hours a day on 4chan

>> No.8876386

Ebooks on my kindle are ideal because I don't know of any good websites or buy books from in Australia that aren't extortion levels of price.

>> No.8876409

>>8876386
Booktopia has got their boxing day sale soon. One time in the year in which physical books won't cost a pretty shekel, at least for us Aussies.

>> No.8877154

OP... Im running out of space for physical books. You dont want me to donate em or something like that right?

>> No.8877180

well... not gonna happen. deal with it.

>> No.8877182

>>8877154
burn em. wet the and recycle them.

>> No.8877185

Whats with ungrateful generation of cunts who fetishize a bunch of paper over entire libraries stored in a pocket?

>> No.8877204

>>8875352
>dead tree has to die
Dying twice is the worst of all tree's fears

>> No.8877257

>>8874942
Hey, I've read all of those books.

Are you proud of me /lit/?

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8877438

>Not wanting to build your own library
>Never feeling the pleasure of adding yet another book to your bookshelf and placing it exactly like you want to

>> No.8877521

>>8877438
http://www.booksbythefoot.com/shop/pc/Shelf-Filler-Bulk-11p126.htm

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>>8877521
>price per gaylord
>$200
kek

>> No.8877883

>>8877846
How big is a gaylord?

>> No.8877971

>>8876337

someone i criticized for buying books pointed out that you get to "borrow books from friends, but since you don't have any friends you wouldn't know what that's like" and "going to the library, but since you never go outside you wouldn't know what that's like either"

mfw he listed only things that had nothing to do with reading and more about putting on the label as a reader, which was exactly what i criticized him for in the first place

>> No.8878000

>>8877883
How much do you weigh?

>> No.8878017
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>>8874951
>devolution is now called progress

>> No.8878053

>>8878017
>>8876345
Elaborate

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8878059

>>8878000

>> No.8878062

>>8874956
>Since the rise of the e-book/e-reader we have seen a decline in readership

Citation needed. I think you're just making an assumption.

>> No.8878164

My 2011 Kindle finally crapped out on me, so I'm in need of a new e-reader for the stuff I can't easily get from the library (or for when I want to have an instant backlog of lots of works I haven't read yet easily available). What should e-reader I spring for? Does the new kindle work well with PDFs?

>> No.8878180

>>8878164
nothing works well with pdfs

>> No.8878185

>>8878180
Well, fuck. That's literally all I download my books as.

>> No.8878201

>>8878180
Android tablets

>> No.8878771

I prefer to read paper books but I don't knock anyone for using ebooks.

>> No.8878798

>>8878164

is there a point to using an e-reader over a phone? unless you get amazingly shitty battery life or something or you read for 5 hours straight

>> No.8878823

>>8878798
It's bigger, the screen isn't a glossy piece of shit

>reading on a god damn phone

Are you people masochists?

>> No.8878831

>>8875009
OP has no proof

Physical ebooks though, are absolutely fucking retarded.

>> No.8878851

>>8874956
>Since the rise of the e-book/e-reader we have seen a decline in readership
that wouldn't be bad, actually

>> No.8878861

>>8878823

its the best way to read

bigger screen is a negative not a positive

>> No.8878939

>>8878861
Kys, tbqh famlam.

>> No.8879014

Honestly, e-ink readers are great but Kindle Fire's and shit I agree with OP that they're cancer.

>> No.8879071

>>8874942
Where the hell can I get some of those sexy slip cases? Yow.

>> No.8879115

>>8874942
pretty good for obscure books that are hard to get in Physical form

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>>8878861
Are regular book pages formatted wrong and phones are superior to those? Because e-reader sizes are about equivalent to a page of a book you can comfortably hold in your hands. Should we take 300 page books and make their dimension skinnier until we have the right size at the cost of 200 pages extra pages to convey the same text and terrible formatting?

>> No.8879404

>>8878861
leave

>> No.8879471

>>8878861
you are cancer

>> No.8879542

>>8879368


>holding an ereader with two hands is better than one
>if only we could project pages on to a theater screen then we would need less pages
>hurrrr *drools*

>> No.8879600

>>8874942
I only buy books if they have nice covers.

>> No.8879602

>>8874942
Hemingway is a cuck and a shitty writer. Stop.

>> No.8879871

Kindle paperwhite is on boxing day sale on amazon for £99 without ads.

Should I do it? I'm gonna pirate everythign

>> No.8879921

>>8879871
I just did. Holy fuck I've pirated a lot of stuff. I've got at least 100 books already and I've payed nothing. I'm gonna download a lot of stuff from project gutenburg too.
Sadly I have the papershite with ads though.

>> No.8879934

>>8879542
This is legitimately a cool idea. Somebody should try projecting a book onto a wall. This shitpost could revolutionize reading. I sincerely want to try this.

>> No.8879945

>>8879934
Certainly would make reading before you go to sleep a hell of a lot easier. I hate turning pages when I'm tired as shit or holding up some phone for an ebook.

>> No.8879974

>>8879921
Should I get it with or without ads? I mean are they a nuisance? Is it worth an extra £10? I asked my mum for it and she's not exactly well off. But I thought it was a good investment because I've been spending £100 a month on books.

Another thing I'm afraid of is that the kindle editions of classic/philosophical books are badly formatted. I want to get my man Aristotle's book on ethics.

>> No.8879981

>>8879974
The ads only show up as screensavers and in a little bar at the bottom of the page when in the menu. It's really not intrusive at all. Besides, if you get the no ad version, the ads are just replaced with shitty photography that you cant change. I wouldn't waste the money on it. And you always have the chance to remove ads later by paying $20.

>> No.8879985

Can someone tell me where I can get those books in the OP?

>> No.8879987

>>8879974

Also you can make the ads not show up by leaving the kindle in airplane mode.

>> No.8879995

>>8874951
>progress
>too illiterate to read

>> No.8880044

>>8874942
Is this the future? Do ebooks come in a plastic case now, like dvds or video games, so that we can still boast with our shelves? Well...I guess it was inevitable

>> No.8880444

>>8874942
I'm glad to have my kindle, especially when travelling, but it's nowhere near as nice as reading from a book, especially for lengthy novels. Plus it's difficult to find a lot of the stuff I want to read on it.

>>8879974
Phone amazon and they'll remove the ads free of charge (after 30mins on the phone).

>> No.8880605

>>8878831
>Physical ebooks

What do you mean by this

>> No.8880903
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8880903

The kindle is awful at displaying digital copies of magazines or any pdfs with images.

You really need an iPad for anything that's not straight text.

>> No.8880940

>>8880903
If you don't have an ipad, you might as well read pdfs and digital magazines on your phone if you're not going to do your computer

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8880944

>>8880940
Pic related

>> No.8880972

You have it the exact opposite, OP. It's cutsie shelf ornaments such as in your picture that are the cancer that should be eradicated.

The biggest problem on /lit/ is all the people who want to appear to be readers but don't want to go through the burden of actually reading.

>> No.8881032

>>8880972
I just don't understand how you people live in an empty house with blank white walls.

Why even own furniture when the floor is just as good for sitting or sleeping? Why own a floor when the bare ground is often just as flat? Why even exist when the world would be so much better off without you?

>> No.8881043

>>8877438
What a superficial pursuit. You should only care about the knowledge that goes into your head, not the book on your shelf.

>> No.8881091

>>8880944
ayyy i live in the sack

>> No.8881113

>>8881043
>Muh minimalism

Sometimes a bit of flair isn't a bad thing.

>> No.8881118

>>8875409
straight safety razor master race
it's waaay cheaper and gets a much closer shave with regular razors

>> No.8881119

>>8875409
>Mfw I have most of those things

>> No.8881121

>>8875426
this

>> No.8881163

Just ordered a paperwhite Kindle AMA

>> No.8881167

>>8881163
Why?

>> No.8881204

>>8881167
On sale and I dont really have room for a bookshelf

>> No.8881211

>>8881163
Best choice ever. You'll see

>> No.8881236

>>8881163
>>8881211
should I get the original kindle to save some bucks?

>> No.8881270

>>8881211
I have the OG kindle, but it's kind of clunky and sluggish. Is it really worth shelling out $130 for the new one?

>> No.8881288

>>8881270
My total was ony ~$106. Left the ads on and didnt add anything else

>> No.8881311

>>8881288
Huh. I mean my current kindle works decently, but I'd probably want an upgrade within the next year. Do you think the price will remain about the same?

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>>8881270

If you read the Amazon reviews for it, people often do comparisons to older models. Might be worth a read.

>> No.8881320

>>8881311
Probably just a holiday knockdown Id imagine it wont last too much longer

>> No.8881325

Well what if I want to stick to ol' paper?

>> No.8881328

>>8881032
>Why even own furniture when the floor is just as good for sitting or sleeping? Why own a floor when the bare ground is often just as flat? Why even exist when the world would be so much better off without you?
all bullshit. congrats fag - you're a retard

>> No.8881336

>>8880605
e-readers (nook, kindle)

>> No.8881462

>>8881043

>Implying I can't have both

>> No.8881818

>>8881163
Good luck, infinitely better than the shitty tablet LCD readers out there.

>> No.8882034

>>8881818
Like the original Kindle?

>> No.8882057

>>8881163
Is it still e ink?

>> No.8882078

>>8874942

Pages and books are cancer that should be eradicated. I prefer clay tablets.

>> No.8882098

>>8882057
Yes

>> No.8882123

Honestly, I would buy the new kindle paperweight whatever, but I don't think I can afford to spend $100 right now

>> No.8882601

Is there any ereader without a fucking economy behind it? That's what pisses me off. I don't want to open a Kindle only for that stupid Amazon shop icon to stare at me.

>> No.8882644

>>8882601
pls respond

>> No.8882662

>>8874942
susan g komen has been trying to eradicate cancer longer than ebook readers have existed
we need to eradicate susan g komen for failing to eradicate breast cancer

>> No.8882674

FUCK E BOOKS

>> No.8882706

>>8882601
Incredible. There is apparently not one ereader without a shop associated with it that is not crapware.

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>>8882706
I use Kobo and just disable the Wireless. Mine doesn't bother me about the shop. I transfer ebooks with Calibre.

>> No.8882751

>>8882733
Yeah, I know most do it that way. Guess there is no other way. There are some older ereaders I found that have been discontinued and are just shit and some cheap ones that are equally shit without online shop. Preferrably I'd want it to not even have Wi-Fi capabilities but oh well.

>> No.8883130

>>8882601
what? i just use caliber a free software to transer my ebooks over to my reader

>> No.8883293

>>8874956
> Since the rise of the e-book/e-reader we have seen a decline in readership.
Correlation is not causation. What you are measuring is caused by computer games and downloadable movies. You're right about the second part though, it causes losses to the authors.

>> No.8883302

Free today, the greatest Christmas novel ever written...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01JKQ1QU2

Merry Christmas /lit/

>> No.8883700

>>8883130
But you probably use an ereader with a shop associated to it. A Bookeen seems like the best option, because it at least doesn't have any of the social media bullshit that sends infos to the distributor.

>> No.8884303

i give up the e-reader, they are expensive but it's the real reason, they are a pain in the ass to use and none can r ead the fucking pdf. Tons of ooks are in this format and they can't read, i read on my phone, it's more practicable and less annoying. It brn the eyes but i don't care

fuck e-readers just use your phone.

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>>8878000

>> No.8884463

>>8874942

Worked as a electrician for three months. Plowed through the works of dostoevsky.. I listen to e-books while on the bus or on a train. Because i dont want to be associated with some pretentious, nostalgic, lumber_sexual, douche. ;-)

>> No.8884479

>>8875068

Everyone is to some extent a thief.

>> No.8884563

>>8876217
>>8876345

t. reationtard shitheads

>> No.8884575

>>8875434
>people really are this retarded

>> No.8884580

>>8884463
no ones impressed faggot

>> No.8884600

>>8877185
>Whats with ungrateful generation of cunts who fetishize a bunch of paper over entire libraries stored in a pocket?
Well, just remember that 4chan is not anywhere near the mainstream. And /lit/ in particular is infested with contrarians.

>> No.8884604

Your prostate should be eradicated.

>> No.8884725

>>8884580

Do you take offence of my statement? Surely, because you replied, right?

I See no reason to "impress" people online, while being anonymous. It just seems so useless, dont you agree?

What im trying to say is this. I dont give a shit about the norms of the forum im browsing. Do your thing if it suits you. But, Stop buying in to the whole cult fantasy of /lit/. You can enjoy a book if it is read to you, by some other dude... But, you know. You could also be that guy that tries so desperately to impress girls by flipping up your Rusell book on the buss. Its your choice. But, know this. Girls dont get impressed by this.

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>>8877185
I don't see why you would care about people using e-readers. Also, this notion that people are reading less seems to be completely unfounded. Infact anything i've read has pointed that people are reading /more/ than in the past. How does the availability of e-readers cause people to read less?