/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.8859328]

Why is contemporary far-right political philosophy so boring? Seriously the only original people who are ever brought up are Nick Land and Mencius Moldbug, apart from them it's a sea of completely predictable angry white male identity politics.

So the totality of relevant non-Leftist thought is reduced to 'accelerationism' and 'neo-cameralism' with some sprinklings of genetics-supported scientific racism

Is there seriously no other literature?

[Anonymous No.8859337]

You must be an idiot if you think all the right has to offer today is memelords like land and molbug

[Anonymous No.8859342]

>>8859337
I am an idiot, who am I supposed to be reading?

[Anonymous No.8859343]

>>8859337
This. He's forgetting our biggest hero

[Anonymous No.8859348]

>>8859328
>Is there seriously no other literature?
You mean within contemporary political philosophy? Or in general?
because you're definitely reading a bunch of shite if all you read is contemporary political philosophy

[Anonymous No.8859359]

>>8859328
>Why is contemporary far-right political philosophy so boring?
Because it's right. Leftist philosophy forces you to engage with and defend it more because it makes no fucking sense and transforms you into a blind, hallowed carrier of ideology.

[Anonymous No.8859363]

>>8859359
I against women

[Anonymous No.8859380]

Because most of the far-right philosofers don't mean to share their thoughts because they are elitist and want the world to be dumb and controlable. It's a historical thing.

[Anonymous No.8859384]

>>8859359
whilst most of far-right thought can't last for more than a few pages without inciting human rights violations

[Anonymous No.8859387]

>>8859328
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_f53ZEJxp8TtlOkHwMV9Q

get red pilled

but beware, it's a large and unforgiving suppository

[Anonymous No.8859625]

First of all, you're describing neo-reactionaries, who are not necessarily far right. Land and Moldbug have more in common with anarchocapitalists than Nazis, who Land regularly mocks as "ethnobolsheviks."

Secondly, since right wing thought is much more subversive and suppressed than leftism, rightist intellectuals are unable to benefit from Radiohead namedrops and the media-academic complex's support, making them unknown and marginalized. There are many interesting modern intellectuals who could be described as right wing e.g. Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Linkola, Sloterdijk, Gómez Dávila, Scruton, Sowell, Steve Sailer, but they place less emphasis on mass appeal like "exciting" leftists who make major motion pictures and are funded by the Pentagon.

Finally, it's important to remember that many rightists prefer to look to the past and discuss philosophers who would be considered antiquated in a modern context e.g. Chesterton, Aquinas, Carlyle, Popper and Burke than the rightist equivalents of Zizek and BHL. They don't always value Jacobin-approved posturing and progress for the sake of progress

[Anonymous No.8859630]

>>8859384
Human rights don't even exist

[Anonymous No.8859666]

>>8859328

>contemporary right philosophy is boring

the fuck is wrong with you

read sloterdijk you absolute cunt

[Anonymous No.8859686]

>>8859359
Fucking this.
Also, Evola died in 1974. That's quite contemporary.

[Anonymous No.8859691]

>mfw I get called a right-wing nazi by other students in my political science course
>mfw I'm a classical Liberal

[Anonymous No.8859696]

>>8859630
nice meme

[Anonymous No.8859697]

>>8859328
It's not even real far-right literature. It's just rehashed Jacobinism.

Pic related is from Liberty or Equality, a work of actual right-wing thought.

[Anonymous No.8859706]

>>8859697
>right-wing thought has always relied on memefographics

[Anonymous No.8859708]

>>8859697
>national socialism is the culmination of the protestant reformation coupled with marxism, german idealism and rationalism

So it proposes that National Socialism is an amalgam of irreconcilable and completely opposite philosophical theories, including thoeries which are exactly what Hitler opposed most viciously, like marxism?

[Anonymous No.8859709]

>>8859384
>human rights
>real

[Anonymous No.8859710]

what contemporary leftist thinkers are you implying are worth reading

[Anonymous No.8859711]

Can I be a far right if I don't think I'm morally superior to women, minorities, and sexually active people and don't think there's a Jewish plot to breed out whiteness?

[Anonymous No.8859714]

>>8859711
actually no, mostly re women

[Anonymous No.8859715]

>>8859706
The difference is the memes are supplementary, not the entire argument.

>>8859708
Try reading the book, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.8859722]

>>8859715
No, thanks. Judging by the infograph, the filename and the title of the book, I presume (with some certainty) that it's going to be something along the lines of "dude, nazism is left-wing! the nazi party was the national SOCIALIST WORKERS' party!!!", which I certainly don't need to read.

[Anonymous No.8859727]

>>8859711
I'm patiently awaiting the Black Feminist Monarchy movement

[Anonymous No.8859729]

>>8859696
Can you show me a human right? Where do they come from? Who has such knowledge and power to impose arbitrary restrictions on society under the pretext of protecting said rights? Can a human right be taken away, and if so, does that not mean that those who originally created said right was acting tyrannically?

[Anonymous No.8859742]

>>8859727
>awaiting
Why? It's already begun

[Anonymous No.8859745]

>>8859729
please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8859752]

>>8859729
The same could be said about any abstraction you believe in.

[Anonymous No.8859754]

>>8859745
>get asked legitimate questions that require you defend your biases
>change the subject and encourage violence
Why are literally all leftists regardless of ethnicity, gender, sexuality, or nationality like this?

[Anonymous No.8859757]

>>8859754
not that guy.
please kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.8859759]

>>8859729
muh social contract and spooks and whatnot /discussion

[Anonymous No.8859763]

>>8859757
>get asked legitimate questions that require you defend your biases
>change the subject and encourage violence
Why are literally all leftists regardless of ethnicity, gender, sexuality, or nationality like this?

[Anonymous No.8859766]

>>8859763
see >>8859745

[Anonymous No.8859772]

>>8859745
>>8859757
>muh human rights exist!
>prove it
>UR EVIL KYS!!!!11
Back to tumblr, little tyke.

>>8859752
Yes, but I don't believe my abstractions are divine, and I don't attempt to control society with them.

The problem with human rights is that there is no widely accepted, concrete definition of what they are; people are making new ones up daily, and in many cases they're simply a thinly veiled attempt at imposing a political agenda. e.g. the right to internet access, or the right to housing.

[Anonymous No.8859773]

>>8859766
>get asked legitimate questions that require you defend your biases
>change the subject and encourage violence
Why are literally all leftists regardless of ethnicity, gender, sexuality, or nationality like this?

[Anonymous No.8859776]

>>8859772
>>8859773
see >>8859752

[Anonymous No.8859779]

>>8859772
> the right to internet access, or the right to housing.
Or the "right" to be addressed by your "preferred pronoun", which is now written into Canadian federal law.

It's an idea with good intentions, but very easy to abuse in the most sinister ways.

[Anonymous No.8859802]

>>8859773
Because modern liberals no longer have any intellectual grounds to stand on. They know they can't win a debate, so they use threats, character assassination and witch hunts in order to bully society into accepting their narrative. THey are afraid of free speech and open dialogue because they are afraid of the truth getting out. Video related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4R0bWC41g4

[Anonymous No.8859853]

>>8859802
>The Rebel
What is a rebel?
A man who says cuck

[Anonymous No.8859883]

>>8859853
I thought cuck was a stupid phrase until I realized how emotionally devastating it was to cucks. It hurts you because you know it's true

[Anonymous No.8860441]

James Kalb-Against Inclusiveness and The Tyranny of Liberalism

[Anonymous No.8860452]

[Anonymous No.8860465]

Because I haven't been published yet, desu

[Anonymous No.8860491]

>>8859729
If there's no arbitrary restrictions imposed by society then I as an individual can impose my own restrictions on you. Without the human right to freedom from slavery I can capture you and lock you in my basement. So choose between the tyranny of the individual or the tyranny of human rights enforced by the state. I'll take the tyranny of human rights.

[Anonymous No.8860512]

>>8859727
we wuz kangs 2: electric boogaboo

[Anonymous No.8861793]

>>8859387
He is a leftist

[Anonymous No.8861845]

>>8859772
>I don't attempt to control society with them
Because the opportunity hasn't been made available to you.
And I don't think anyone here is claiming human rights "exist" in the sense of being grounded in reality. But the main point you have to refute is that as concepts they're essential to any functional, virtuous society that one would want to live in. Bonus points for not falling into the right's pattern of saying "But modern society SUX" too.

[Anonymous No.8861847]

>>8859711
No. Being far-right requires you to be a hyper-sensitive sperg

[Anonymous No.8861866]

>>8859666

>sloterdijk is right

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.8861871]

>>8859328

>Is there seriously no other literature?

Uh, excuse me?

[Anonymous No.8861884]

>>8861871

>a pot smoking jewish vlogger who lives with his mom is far-right

[Anonymous No.8861889]

>>8861793
>leftist
What does this term even mean anymore? Left/right wing is such a muddled dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.8861894]

>>8861884

If you want to understand the Far-Right/Alt-Right (no meaningful difference beyond the fact that the former is honest), then Sammy Heidegger's book is as close as you'll get. It condenses all of the memes/ideas that dominate their current collective conscience.

[Anonymous No.8861919]

>>8861894

>If you want to understand the Far-Right/Alt-Right

we get it, you're buttmad that you're going to get turned into neuro-soup slaves by googlebalization

now what are you going to do about it faggot instead of posting ebin memes on twitter

you live lifestyles identical to that of your leftists counterparts, you buy the same cars, you get your antibiotics from Bayer, you use the same social networks, and you use the same backdoored chips on your computers, the "alt-right" has failed to differentiate itself, you're not far-anything, globalization is far-up-your-ass and you are too weak to actually do anything

[Anonymous No.8861967]

>>8859342
Your own diary desu.

[Anonymous No.8861996]

>>8861919
>>8861889

I like both of you.

Just because the Alt-right doesn't like apples, they think everyone should eat oranges.

The Alt-right should try a little solipsism, just long enough to see how little of all of what they worry about actually touches their life.

[Anonymous No.8862001]

>>8859691

>classic liberal

you deserve to get made fun of

[Anonymous No.8862011]

>>8862001
>you deserve to get made fun of

[Anonymous No.8862014]

>>8859709
This. The universal declaration of human rights is absolutely contentless. It was drafted 70 years ago, and has absolutely no ethical or logical basis.

Human rights are a social construct. They're our postmodern hellscape's ten commandments.

[Anonymous No.8862017]

>>8862011
Jokes on you, I'm redpilled and white nationalist

[Anonymous No.8862024]

>>8862017
>Jokes on you, I'm redpilled and white nationalist
We all know that you are a dumb pinko

[Anonymous No.8862026]

>>8862017

jokes on you i (>>8862001) am not a retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.8862035]

>>8861845
>Because the opportunity hasn't been made available to you.
Ah, the tried and true liberal argument: "I can't stick to my principles so no one can!"

>But the main point you have to refute is that as concepts they're essential to any functional, virtuous society that one would want to live in
I only need to demonstrate that the concept (as it stands) when abused by authorities creates a less virtuous society than one without said concept.

This is currently in the process of being proven, at least in Canada, with our tyrannical Human Rights Tribunal, and Orwellian hate speech laws that actually force you to speak a certain way. You may find it interesting to note that we have a clause in our charter that says that our other rights can be arbitrarily ignored by the courts "when deemed necessary". In other words, our human are not only a baseless abstraction, but one that can be opted out of at any time, for reasons made up on the spot.

[Anonymous No.8862036]

>>8861889
Left = trending towards egalitarianism

Right = anything other than the left

[Anonymous No.8862049]

Huerta de Soto is interesting desu

[Anonymous No.8862199]

>>8859722
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.8862240]

Nicolas Gomez Davila
He wrote almost only aphorisms.

http://don-colacho.blogspot.de/?m=1

[Anonymous No.8862288]

>>8859328

Because rightists are retarded and banal.

[Anonymous No.8862365]

>>8861866

It means that when jurgen habermas calls you a fascist you're probably not on the left.

>Habermas, however, didn't care for Sloterdijk's use of Nazi-tainted words like Zuchtüng ("breeding") and Selektion ("selection"), his references to a "failure of humanism." Habermas saw a move to radical neoconservatism in Sloterdijk, the whiff of "fascism" and eugenics, "a hatred of democracy." Habermas's votaries in the German press tore into Sloterdijk, questioning whether he was of "sound mind."

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Slippery-Sloterdijk/135494/

[Anonymous No.8862367]

>>8862288
Thanks for contributing your incredibly insightful views to this conversation.

[Anonymous No.8862410]

>>8862367

Any time

[Anonymous No.8862469]

>>8859328
How is far-left philosophy any different?

A sea of angry poor people/minorities

[Anonymous No.8862484]

>>8859337
>>8859342
hahaha
this exchange was very illuminating

>>8859729
>arbitrary
you're fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.8862512]

>see this thread
>see anons arguing about human rights
>ctrl + f alain de benoist
>nothing
let's fix that shall we

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDbKxUat9A

http://www.counter-currents.com/beyond-human-rights/

[Anonymous No.8862565]

>>8859328

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Venner

[Anonymous No.8862579]

>>8862484
>you're fucking retarded
hurrr durrrr hurrrrrr I'm a liberal

[Anonymous No.8862613]

ITT righties present rational arguments and lefties sperg out at people questioning their sacred beliefs

[Anonymous No.8862811]

>>8859711
Honestly yes you can. Also pro ___ does not mean superior to ____

[Anonymous No.8862828]

>>8862613
No! Apologize.

React against all the modern paradigms you hate without violating any sacred modern paradigms.

When I read your words I feel emotionally ill, that's an argument.

Explain to me quickly without being boring my brain is fried on porn and Netflix simulation and pot has killed my short term memory you have 30 seconds to present your case in a stimulating way that doesn't offend me.

[Anonymous No.8862846]

>>8859387

this guy is very good at taking a long time to say nothing insightful or interesting lol

[Anonymous No.8862852]

>>8862365

Habermas is not a leftist. He is an apologist for neoliberalism and globalism.

[Anonymous No.8862868]

>>8862828
Wrecked that strawman bro

[Anonymous No.8863728]

>>8862035
>our other rights can be arbitrarily ignored by the courts "when deemed necessary".

That doesn't sound like human rights to me.

[Anonymous No.8864611]

>>8859328
There simply isn't much to write about.

With left wing philosophy, you have Marxists writing thousands of pages where they have to coin new terms and create large metaphysical systems to justify an idealogy that resulted in tens of millions of deaths when implemented. For right wing thinkers, it's simply, "here are the statistics, here are the scientific models explaining the statistics, here's the logical course of action."

It's called taking the red pill for a reason. Conservatism merely describes the reasonable position to take for someone who's seen the facts without being blinded by idealogy. That's why the big names in the movement are known more for their rhetorical skills than for any crazy ideas they come up with.

[Anonymous No.8864625]

>>8864611
>i worship jordan peterson, stefan molyneux and various right-wing poet ideologue faggots
fixed.

[Anonymous No.8864628]

>>8859328
>far-right political philosophy so boring
>Nick Land and Mencius Moldbug
>angry white male

when did this board got infected?

[Anonymous No.8864675]

Alain de Benoist and the Nouvelle Droite. Now go away

[Anonymous No.8864704]

>>8862512

is de benoist really 'far-right' though? i know he can be pretty damn close to it, but he veers away from racism and rejected jm le pen

>>8864611

incredibly naive post, well done

[Anonymous No.8864722]

>>8860491
>Without the human right to freedom from slavery I can capture you and lock you in my basement.
But you can do that even with an acknowledged human right, it happens all the time. And even in societies that do not acknowledge a blanket, universal human right to freedom from slavery, some or all of their citizens may be, in fact, free from slavery.

>So choose between the tyranny of the individual or the tyranny of human rights enforced by the state.
Or perhaps between those and the tyranny of judgment passed by experienced, community-acknowledged magistrates able to discern between cases without declaring any right necessary for all people at all times and all situations.

[Anonymous No.8864726]

>>8861919
>now what are you going to do about it faggot
support rightists in elections s m h how ignorant of current events are you able to be while being on 4chan

[Anonymous No.8864729]

>>8862469

Why are you saying this while you know it's not true? All leftist writers are highly educated.

[Anonymous No.8864732]

>>8864729
How is a high level of education in any way incompatible with a sea of angry poor minorities?

[Anonymous No.8864749]

>>8859711
Can I be progressive if I don't think I'm morally superior to men, whites, and sexually active people and don't think there's a straight white male plot to keep everyone down and kill all homos, blacks, arabs and Jews?

[Anonymous No.8865288]

>>8859710
Agamben
Hardt & Negri
Harvey

[Anonymous No.8865321]

>>8864729
So is every right-wing writer who is actually published

[Anonymous No.8865331]

>>8859328
It's not that contemporary, but Schmitt is probably the only bearable right wing political theorist