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>wrong about all of his natural science
>overly reliant on his senses
>rejected Plato's most profound and correct idea (Forms)
>sexist and pro-slavery
>no writing skill whatsoever

Give me one good reason to read Aristotle if I'm not interested in Politics.

>> No.8829019

So you can criticize him better.

>> No.8829020

>>8829016
Explain how "forms" is correct.

>> No.8829021

Poetics

>> No.8829024

>>8829016
>rejected Plato's most profound and correct idea (Forms)
laughable

>> No.8829025

>>8829016
So you can be educated in the foundational texts of Western culture. Not reading Aristotle because you don't agree with him is like not reading the Bible because you don't believe in God.

>> No.8829034

>>8829025
>Not reading Aristotle because you don't agree with him is like not reading the Bible because you don't believe in God.

That's pretty ironic, because that's exactly what Christians did to the pagans

>> No.8829035

>>8829016

How about his literary criticism? What do you think about Poetics?

>> No.8829043

>>8829016
>no writing skill whatsoever
How would you judge that when all we have are the incomplete notes of his lectures?

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>>8829034

>> No.8829049

>>8829016
His ethics are IMO the most lucid thing he wrote, and they are the basis of one of the most relevant branch of contemporary ethics.

>> No.8829051

Another chicken shit troll post where the OP never answers.

Fuck nu-lit

>> No.8829056

>>8829049
Word, his poetics are great, which is funny when you compare it to the dogshit Plato wrote.

>> No.8829072

>>8829016
t. someone who has never read Aristotle

>> No.8829075

>>8829016
he was 100% correct about women though

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8829086

>>8829034
>tfw I have lost religious arguments with a Neo-Pagan Wiccan with Aspergers

not memeing

>> No.8829091

>>8829075
>Knowing about women from a distance safe enough for navelgazing.

You're pathetic.

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8829095

>>8829075
>Kicks down stairwell.

>> No.8829096

>>8829091
>assumptions

>> No.8829098

>>8829056
Nice reading comprehension.

>> No.8829099

>>8829086
Oi Saturnalia, bitch.

>> No.8829114

>>8829016
>no writing skill whatsoever

It just seems that way because all we have are his lecture notes. By other accounts, his writing was called "golden", iirc.

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8829135

>>8829016

Diogenes destroyed the forms argument. Also:

>Sexism
>Slavery
>Bad

Also:

>Complains about Aristotle's writing skill
>Writes shitposts on /lit/

>> No.8829143

>>8829086

Country? I used to debate (I know, I was a teen) religion with a neo-paganist wiccan who was most definitely on the spectrum.

>> No.8829150

>>8829135
>Also:
Also:
>Also:

>> No.8829151

>>8829135

>Diogenes destroyed the forms argument. Also:

No he didn't. He made a quip.

>> No.8829154

>>8829098
Oh, excuse me

>> No.8829157

>>8829150
Also:

>You're a faggot

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>>8829151

He destroyed the argument.

In fact, he destroyed Plato constantly. The amount of asshurt he caused Plato is legendary.

>> No.8829163

>>8829016
>wrong about all of his natural science

You know the idea that new evidence should supersede existing theories, that have allowed for the development and refinement of theories in science over time? That's his idea.

>> No.8829165

>>8829159

I kept saying the top 100 chart was a mistake. Last year it lead to a deluge of plebbiters and /lit/ was gay for months. It's the same fucking shit all over again.

>> No.8829182

>>8829165

>Plato was discoursing on his theory of ideas and, pointing to the cups on the table before him, said while there are many cups in the world, there is only one `idea’ of a cup, and this cupness precedes the existence of all particular cups. “I can see the cups on the table,” said Diogenes, “but I can’t see the `cupness'”. “That’s because you have the eyes to see the cup,” said Plato, “but”, tapping his head with his forefinger, “you don’t have the intellect with which to comprehend `cupness’.” Diogenes walked up to the table, examined a cup and, looking inside, asked, “Is it empty?” Plato nodded. “Where is the `emptiness’ which precedes this empty cup?” asked Diogenes. Plato allowed himself a few moments to collect his thoughts, but Diogenes reached over and, tapping Plato’s head with his finger, said “I think you will find here is the `emptiness’.

I'll think you'll find that he was BTFO.

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8829221

Everyone always ignores the real winner

>> No.8829226

>>8829221
>dude what if the world is made of ATOMS lmao
A non-entity.

>> No.8829539

>>8829016
You're thinking of Democritus. Epicurus solved ethics, epistemology, and metaphysics making him a very important figure in the history of philosophy.

It's a shame so little of his work survived, or we would be living in a far superior civilization.

Still, you can get a lot of good from his letters and from Lucretius.

>> No.8829546

>>8829539
Meant for
>>8829226

>> No.8829550

>>8829539
>It's a shame so little of his work survived, or we would be living in a far superior civilization.
Let me tell you about a little thing called historical materialism.

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>>8829226
Not only did he advance the Presocratic Atomists theories, he fine tuned the Hedonists folly
He got the world right and he got the best way to live right, while the others kept screwing up.

>> No.8829603

>>8829550
Ok go ahead and tell me

>> No.8830535

>>8829182
>things that never actually happened

>> No.8830602

>>8829135
peak pseudo-intellectualism

kill yourself

>> No.8830842

>>8829016
>overly reliant on his senses
>rejected Plato's most profound and correct idea (Forms)
Oh I'm laffin.

Also, he made legitimate contributions to zoology.

>> No.8830942

>>8829016
Aristotelian Logic is still relevant nowadays.

>> No.8830981

>>8829016
Because his ideas were and still are important for ethics, metaphysics, logic, and the philosophy of science.

>> No.8831073

>>8829016
>wrong about all of his natural science
Wasn't the concept of inertia part of his natural science theory?

>> No.8831111

>>8829034
>situational irony
get a load of this faggot

>> No.8832078

>>8829182
Oh man, forms = totally destroyed!!

>Diogenesfags actually believe this and believe that Diogenes himself would have actually believed this
Go take a dump in a theatre or something, that way you'll be less annoying.

>> No.8834387

>>8829016
>Wrong on natural science

Let's see, on metaphysics alone he said colors aren't a thing in themselves, also that they all come from the white; he anticipated the law of mass conservation; he said the first element was between fire and air (hydrogen); gave a simple explanation of the three dimensions; that all movement in space was circular and perpetual; he also said time only exists in relation with movement.

>> No.8834400

>>8829016
>>wrong about all of his natural science
>OP got the colour of the dress wrong
hahahahahahahahahahaha
>forms
oh god stop you're killing me

>> No.8834671

>>8829016
So you can be privy of Aristotelianism and dupe those who aren't.

>> No.8834684

not sure how you could know he has no writing skill if you've never read him :^)

also, within the strictest terms, this thread does not belong on /lit/