/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.8826539]

Fantasy
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/qkz73sR.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
>Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg
>Beginner's Guide to Fantasy:
>https://i.imgur.com/fOGNfWK.jpg

Science Fiction
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/IBs9KE8.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg
>NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://i.imgur.com/IJxTQBL.jpg


Previous Thread: >>8819373

[Anonymous No.8826543]

What books are you waiting for this/next year to come out?

[Anonymous No.8826555]

>>8826543
Off the top of my head

Unholy Consult
New powder mage series
New butcher book

[Anonymous No.8826561]

Reminder that BRANDON SANDERSON IS SHIT

[Anonymous No.8826592]

>>8826543
City of Miracles, Broken Earth 3.

[Anonymous No.8826601]

I just got back from my first visit to leddit's fantasy novel board, and holy fuck.

This is the market fantasy authors are writing for?

[Anonymous No.8826621]

>>8826601
Yep. Fantasy is dead.

[Anonymous No.8826644]

>>8826601

It's actually managing to get worse too since nearly every contemporary author is a leftist. I've seen too many not so subtle praises for socialism or instances of religious zealots oppressing minorities to even bother looking at new authors anymore.

[Anonymous No.8826665]

>>8826644

Pretty much this.

[Anonymous No.8826672]

>>8826539
I'm really struggling with Dune.

Why did you tell me this was worth reading?

[Anonymous No.8826681]

>>8826672
MOOOOAAADD DEEEB

[Anonymous No.8826684]

>>8826555
>New powder mage series
Didn't hear anything about that. What is it gonna be about? Powder mage's and savage blood mages's love child going out into the world?

>New butcher book
Which butcher? Dresden, or steampunk?

>>8826543
Stormlight, Lightbringer, mistborn, w/e gri novel that will also be released next year.

[Anonymous No.8826698]

>>8826561
Storm you!

[Anonymous No.8826707]

>>8826644
>>8826665
>instances of religious zealots oppressing minorities
The church used to oppress their own people... why do you think things have changed?

Were the people who studied science and the accused of witchcraft in church ruled times minorities? You think the inquisition was a dream you had?

>socialism
What do you have against it in fantasy, and how old are you and are you a rich NEET?

[Anonymous No.8826713]

>>8826561
Writing ain't free. The creation of the cosmere gotta be litterd with the blood of innocence. Profanity, aka cussing is not to be used. It is the sign of an unbeliever and probably a non-Mormon as well :DD. A book every year and not every 6 ok.
Praise the shards.

[Anonymous No.8826758]

>>8826684
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28811016-sins-of-empire
Seems like it's going to be more about politics and espionage than large scale combat, which I'm totally down for.

[Anonymous No.8826838]

>>8826644
Imagine being such a faggot about politics that you can't read books with other point of views.

[Anonymous No.8826843]

>>8826698
Fucking Mormons and their aversion to swearing. It's the thing I hate the most about them, other than than their creepy plastered smiles, sinister helpfullness and mindless cheer.

[Anonymous No.8826846]

>>8826838

It's not that I can't read it, it's that I'm tired of seeing the same old cliches in everything.

[Anonymous No.8826851]

>>8826684
It's the steampunk, but I'm starved for things to read, so I'll take it

[Anonymous No.8826866]

>>8826846
Being pro socialism is a cliche?

[Anonymous No.8826884]

>>8826866
>the little people bring the uncaring elites to heel
Yes.

[Anonymous No.8826887]

>>8826838

I want to read a fantasy book not a feminist ideology handbook + diversity is good open all borders refugees are innocent and need help book with a small touch of fantasy added in

[Anonymous No.8826898]

>>8826866

It's fashionable. It's not uncommon to portray capitalist minded characters as greedy and uncaring and just stupid stuff like that. It's not a surprise to see it in fiction since the typical ignorant leftist actually believes it to be true but that doesn't make it any more tolerable.

[Anonymous No.8826899]

>>8826884
Even in most socialist minded series that doesn't generally happen.

[Anonymous No.8826910]

>>8826758
>more about politics and espionage than large scale combat, which I'm totally down for.
Sounds right up your alley.

[Anonymous No.8826918]

>>8826851
>DRESDEN FILES IS NEVER BEING PUBLISHED AGAIN

[Anonymous No.8827008]

Just finished reading Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion for the very first time. I feel pretty mixed about it, parts of the story I couldn't put down and there were some genuine feels but I'm also left strangely dissatisfied by the ending, like some things were tied off too neatly while others were left blowing in the wind or happened without explanation. Like, for example I got my head around the Rachel/Moneta timeline fairly easily, but what about the bit where Kassad dreams about teaming up with the Shrike and Moneta against the Ousters and then has sex with her while she turns into the Shrike? Are we not meant to take that literally/see it as a representation of his fears? And, if the Core UI is so intent on wiping out mankind then why agree with future humanity to send Moneta back with the Shrike and give humanity a chance to save itself? Surely it would take every advantage it could get. How does Brawne turn the Shrike into glass? Timey Wimey shit due to carrying Empathy?

Do the Endymion books help clear up some of the things left open after Fall Of? I'm hesitant to dive into them as I heard that the quality of the series takes a nosedive but I'm curious now and am wondering if they'd be worth a read.

[Anonymous No.8827040]

>>8826851
>reddit's oh so "le cats run things" novel
>peace talks on hiatus since 2013
Fucking reddit

[Anonymous No.8827074]

>>8827008
simmons can't into sequels. see: Illium.

[Anonymous No.8827087]

>>8827008
>Do the Endymion books help clear up
No the Endymion books stars an exiled Loli Peace Princess Jesus who strives to spread her message of UNDERSTANDING to reach a new stage in human evolution with heightened mental awareness and instant teleportation.

[Anonymous No.8827122]

>>8827087
She is also striving to find portals before the church who is trying to catch her, find her.

Endymion (AKA Gundam Unicorn)
Starring Aenea as Mineva Zabi, Raul Endymion as Banagher Links, the Farcaster Portals as La Place's box (The Story: The McGuffin: The Filler Tier Experience) and The Church as Neo Zeon and a whole host of the old characters that you actually care about as side characters for a bad retconning fanfic tier rendition of the book that you actually cared about.

The only returning major character has been retconned into a soulless one dimensional villain.

[Anonymoos No.8827155]

How do I become anime?

[Anonymous No.8827178]

>>8827155

Become one with the shards

[Anonymous No.8827197]

>>8827155
Read this book and it's sequels for literal anime in prose.

[Anonymous No.8827204]

>>8826910
Nah I'm more of a /leftypol/ kinda guy

[Anonymous No.8827245]

When is the Zybourne Clock novelization coming out again?

[Anonymous No.8827257]

>>8826866
It's always some trust fund kid writing the book too.

[Anonymous No.8827265]

>>8827257
dirty bourgeois socialists

[Anonymous No.8827299]

Find a flaw

[Anonymous No.8827300]

>>8827178
>>8827155
While non-shardic manifestations exist, the most powerful manifestations of Investiture in the Cosmere are unsurprisingly the result of Shard intervention, either directly performed by Shards themselves, through powered constructs such as the Highstorms of Roshar (though of course the distinction between Shard and holder, muddy at the best of times, is difficult to draw), or by drawing Investiture from a Shard, either through a Perpendicularity, as on Scadrial, or a framework that Shard has created.

Drawing from a framework requires the proper sDNA identifiers; these may be passed down by mundane means, by simple splicing, (hemalurgy) or more sophisticated work (spren).

[Anonymous No.8827308]

>>8827299
it was boring

[Anonymous No.8827319]

>>8827299

The author.

[Anonymous No.8827325]

>>8827299
it's sexist and mysogynistic

[Anonymoos No.8827379]

What novels have a Final Fantasy aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.8827385]

>>8827379
Pic unrelated?

[Anonymoos No.8827408]

>>8827385
XIII probably has the best FF aesthetic in the series, just the worst overall presentation. On the other hand, X is celebrated without feeling like FF at all

[Anonymous No.8827469]

Is Brent Weeks every going to tell us what Ezra is doing in the forest with all those orbs in the Night Angel Trilogy

[Anonymous No.8827525]

>>8827325
But he said name a flaw?

[Anonymous No.8827588]

>>8827299

pretentious as fuck, absolute shit prose, mary sue Kellhus, author shills his books here, first year philosophy peddled as deep truths of the universe, wild namedropping peddled as "worldbuilding", GRI for GRI's sake.

[Anonymous No.8827597]

>>8826543
Stormlight cause I know it's for sure coming out next year, the others I've given up on.

[Anonymous No.8827610]

>>8826918
Its fucking trash anyway.

[Anonymous No.8827621]

>>8827074
>>8827087
>>8827122

Goddamit. Why do some authors retcon/fanfic their sequels? Especially if the first book(s) are a success? Seems like shooting yourself in the foot. Wise Man's Fear comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.8827653]

>>8826707
>You think the inquisition was a dream you had?
Historical revisionism to prop up proto-fedoras and make them seem better, the inquisition did nothing wrong. The rumors of torture for example are almost pure constructed myth.

[Anonymous No.8827682]

>>8827653

While it IS true that the Inquisition's torture practices were largely exaggerated and that they did try every other possible rational solution first before actually accusing somebody of witchcraft, saying that "they did nothing wrong" is moronic in the extreme. You're embarassing yourself, I understand you feel warm and cuddly in your newfound reactionary worldview but nigga please.

[Anonymous No.8827721]

>>8827682
There is literally nothing wrong with forciblyremoving kikes and sand niggers from your country. Ask lovecraft, he'll back me up

[Anonymous No.8827730]

>>8827721

>"what a complacent, self-assured, egocentric jackass I was in those days! . . . I can the better understand the inert blindness and defiant ignorance of the reactionaries from having been one of them. I know how smugly ignorant I was. . . . It's hard to have done all one's growing up since 33—but that's a damn sight better than not growing up at all."

>HPL in a letter to C. L. Moore, February 7 1937

It's ok anon. You're gonna grow up too, someday.

[Anonymous No.8827738]

>>8827299
Too much philosophy, and his sane characters are boring. That's about it though.

[Anonymous No.8827742]

>>8827730

Good work, anon.

[Anonymous No.8827756]

>>8826543
Besides the already mentioned Bakker and Sanderson:
Alastair Reynolds's sequel to The Prefect
the sequel to Luna: New Moon
Lies of Locke Lamora book 4

[Anonymous No.8827896]

>>8826672
It's required scifi reading. Slog it and boast it.

[Anonymous No.8827908]

>>8827896
No it isn't. It's garbage with no redeeming qualities.

[Anonymous No.8827943]

>>8827908
It's like Star Wars, I think everyone (even the biggest fans) admit to a certain degree it's pretty shit. But like SW, Dune is extremely well known as most people are recommended it as "entry" into scifi, at least Space Opera. It was a big inspiration for Warhammer 40k, or at least Ive head people say that a lot. If you want to indoctrinate people into reading better scifi, then you'll have to read Dune, just so you can talk to fairly newby fans.

[Anonymous No.8827976]

>>8827943
I don't see how any of that is relevant. Yes it's popular. Doesn't mean you can't just recommend a better book from the get go, there is no need to read something bad first to appreciate quality. I got Dune recommended to me, read it and was extremely disappointed and even a little angry. It was influential for its time, and that's it. It doesn't hold up.

[Anonymous No.8827986]

>>8827943
Comparing Star Wars and Dune, nigga plz. Star Wars is complete garbage, stuff like muhh desert planet is completely ripped off from Dune.
Now, I agree that reading Dune can be tedious, especially for a modern reader who needs explosions every 3 seconds, or the reader who is used to have morally grey characters and not Mary Sue's like Paul (actually this isn't exactly the case but w/e), but the great things about Dune are the overarching themes of prophecy, destiny, religion and ecology and this is something you don't realize as a reader until like maybe 2/3 in.

[Anonymous No.8828012]

>>8827986
>morally grey characters
I miss the times when good characters could just be good without needing some mean streak or edginess.

[Anonymous No.8828095]

>>8827986
>but the great things about Dune are the overarching themes of prophecy, destiny, religion and ecology

That sounds exactly like literally every single Fantasy series since the year 1900.

[Anonymous No.8828118]

>The Prince of Nothing is a series of three fantasy novels by the Canadian author R. Scott Bakker, first published in 2004, part of a wider series known as "The Second Apocalypse". This trilogy details the emergence of Anasûrimbor Kellhus, a brilliant monastic warrior, as he takes control of a holy war and the hearts and minds of its leaders. Kellhus exhibits incredible powers of prediction and persuasion, which are derived from deep knowledge of rationality, cognitive biases, and causality, as discovered by the Dûnyain, a secret monastic sect. As Kellhus goes from military leader to divine prophet, Drusas Achamian, the sorcerer who mentored Kellhus, comes to realize that his student may well be the harbinger of the Second Apocalypse.

If I didn't know otherwise, I'd believe this is an amateur web novel written after the author got "enlightened" by reading Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality.

[Anonymous No.8828123]

I wish fantasy authors put more thought into naming their characters.

[Anonymous No.8828142]

>>8827597
>the others I've given up on
Are you talking about locke lamora by chance?

[Anonymous No.8828148]

>>8828118
>Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality
What's that about? p.s.: I haven't read the original HP

[Anonymous No.8828164]

>>8828148

[Anonymous No.8828169]

>>8828148
I haven't read it, but as far as I'm aware it's a Harry Potter fanfic written as if Harry was fucking autistic and solved all his problems by pointing out the scientific errors in the series' magic system.

[Anonymous No.8828173]

>>8828164
Good lord.

[Anonymous No.8828181]

>>8828173

[Anonymous No.8828182]

>>8828148
You know that fad with fanfiction writers where they thought if they made their protagonists able to solve problems by being "smart" their stories would be better? It's that.

[Anonymous No.8828328]

>>8828118
>I'd believe this is an amateur web novel written after the author got "enlightened" by reading Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality.

But that's exactly what it is.

[Anonymous No.8828432]

So like, Wolfe decided that New Sun wasn't heavy handed enough with the Catholic stuff and decided to write Long Sun so he could smash the Catholicism into your face with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

I see no other explanation.

[Anonymous No.8828450]

>>8828432
>So like,

Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.8828451]

>>8828432
Thanks for the idea. New wolfe meme incoming.

[Anonymous No.8828534]

>>8828451
I keenly await this, Anon.

[Anonymous No.8828551]

>>8828118
>thinking Kellhus is the good guy

Wew lad

[Anonymous No.8828900]

>>8828551
He literally is

[Anonymous No.8828935]

>>8828900
>implying Kellhus is wielding all of humanity as his tool to escape damnation

There is not one example of Kellhus acting out of pure generosity because he's a Dunyain fucking shit. Do not trust dunyain scum

[Anonymous No.8828952]

>>8828935
>isn't wielding *

[Anonymous No.8828959]

Every time I think "maybe I should read Bakker" I remember that ridiculous prose excerpt that unironically went "I AM THE MOST VIOLENT OF ALL MEN", and stop myself.

[Anonymous No.8828977]

>>8828959
>not liking overcompensating gay barbarians

[Anonymous No.8829040]

>>8828123
What do you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.8829048]

>>8828935
he did spare cnaiur when had no need of him.
he was good boy circumfix and gnosis broke him
>>8828959
>wanting barbarians with purple prose

[Anonymous No.8829053]

>>8828959
Not sure why you wouldn't want to read about a little beta bitch getting cucked.That's always a delightful read for me.

[Anonymous No.8829059]

>>8828977
>>8829048
>>8829053

bakker's prose is atrocious.

[Anonymous No.8829063]

>>8829059
Well we have people here tolerating Wolfe so it isn't that bad in comparison.

[Anonymous No.8829065]

>>8828451
Is it an altered version of this pepe, by chance?

[Anonymous No.8829106]

>>8826539
>Literal fedora
>everything screams Harry Dresden/John Constantine ripoff

Time for chartposting

[Anonymous No.8829112]

Is this the most important list for the fantasy genre?

[Anonymous No.8829144]

>>8829112
In Hell, they make you read all of them in a row.

[Anonymous No.8829147]

>>8829112
>best ADULT urban fantasy
>It's adult, says so right in the name! Stop calling me a pleb!

[Anonymous No.8829160]

>>8829147
I like my fantasy ADULT if you know what I mean...

[Anonymous No.8829171]

>>8829160
S C O R C H E D
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[Anonymous No.8829241]

What book incorperates the feeling of Ancient Astronaut theories the best?

[Anonymous No.8829478]

dammit dammit dammit DAMMIT!

Every day I hate the story I've written more and more. I've never gotten this far before and THIS is why I've never gotten this far.

I can't stop wanting to change things and re-insert the wonder that got left out to dry

[Anonymous No.8829490]

>>8829478
No one fucking cares retard. Fuck off to the writing thread.

[Anonymous No.8829503]

>>8829241

The Anubis Gates, an unsung masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.8829521]

>>8829478
Up your workrate. Everyone fucking hates their old shit, and the longer you stew on your project the worse you'll think it is, likely falsely.

Obviously everyone works differently, but try a few high powered sessions instead of a gradual workload. Pohl wrote novels in weekends, if I recall.

Remember essay writing? I never wrote the introduction until I'd done the entire thing. Treat your entire story as I treat an introduction. Unless you're actually correcting events or names etc, don't touch the story until you've finished writing. Then if there's themes or ideas you dislike, you can touch up the entirety of your book at once.

Also, stop stressing. Get some herbal tea.

[Anonymous No.8829523]

Is there any fantasy book that has the same sense of wonder as the harry potter books? I keep wondering how rowling did it. I think the magic candies and hidden passages were a big part of it

>>8829490
fine, ignore me. go back to your gay rape and incest

[Anonymous No.8829578]

>>8829523
>I keep wondering how rowling did it.

She didn't. Your child mind did.

[Anonymous No.8829588]

>>8829578
This. JK a hack.

[Anonymous No.8829600]

>>8829578
If a work can inspire wonder in so many people it is good by definition

[Anonymous No.8829650]

>>8829578
I read HP at 23 and I still loved it, even after all the high brow literature previously read. If you'd stop being a pseud, you'd see the value in the HP series.

>>8829523
I think it's because she wrote the series glad of heart and without many expectations to begin with. She basically did what any of us would. Just sit down and write whatever you WANT to write, without taking /lit/s (for example) opinion into consideration.

More people should do that, instead of writing to please something / somebody else.

[Anonymous No.8829668]

>>8829521
>Everyone fucking hates their old shit,
not the anon, but I'm the opposite. I feel like I lost something in the past 2 or so years. As I read my old stuff, it was so full of fun, wonder, desire and more. Nowadays it's full of pseud shit and the prose is drier albeit "better" in the high brow sense.

I won't lie when I say I partially blame /lit/ and myself for letting myself being influenced by /lit/ even if just a little.

[Anonymous No.8829681]

>>8829650
the hard part is knowing what you want to write when you're writing it.

The story in my mind follows a thousand alternate half-developed paths and so long as I'm confined to one I desire the others. Right now I've got a mix of The Night Circus and The Orphan's Tales but some days I want a mix of Harry Potter and Problem Sleuth

[Anonymous No.8829692]

this is pretty unrelated but what do you call those pulp paranormal books filled with short creepy/strange stories? I remember my library had a few and I'd like to have my own collection

[Anonymous No.8829719]

>>8829160
Are you saying that you fuck dogs?

[Anonymous No.8829721]

>>8829692
Weird fiction?

[Anonymous No.8829727]

>>8829719
>2016
>Not taking the knot

[Anonymous No.8829763]

>>8829727
>2016
>not guzzling does that musky fuckcream

[Anonymous No.8829809]

>>8829721
I guess? most claimed to be true though. I think it was titled "incredible true tales" or something like that

[Anonymous No.8829815]

>>8829809

literally the oldest trick in the book. Homer claimed the Iliad and Odissey actually happened and he was just reporting the events.

[Anonymous No.8829856]

Is it a good idea to dive into Howard's Conan stories directly after reading Tolkien or should I ease into it with some other author in between so that the sharp contrast doesn't deter from Robert E. Howard's works?

[Anonymous No.8829868]

>>8829600
Counterpoint: Mein Kampf, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Mao's Red Book, Atlas Shrugged.

[Anonymous No.8829875]

>>8829856

the tiger is all like damn girl you thicc

also I think Moorcock could be considered a Tolkien/Howard hybrid.

[Anonymous No.8829876]

>>8829868
aren't there radicals who use harry potter to attack their opponents, claiming things like trump is voldemort, lol

[Anonymous No.8829892]

>>8829868
I don't think they inspire wonder

>>8829876
Admittedly its an imperfect metaphor. He's more like if Lockheart was a deatheater

[Anonymous No.8829901]

Ok crazy idea.

You know when Watts references real scientific litriture in his final chapter, talking about how "real" some of the concepts he covers really are? (I know a lot of them are low brow bullshit, but still) Could I do a similar thing, but fictionalize references? As in, reference papers which have never been written, journals which don't exist, and cite scientists I've invented? Maybe get creative, and make a few websites or Wikipedia pages.

Obviously it wouldn't work in the long run, as news of the fakery would catch on. But, I like to think I could massively bamboozle some people. Maybe even slip in a few real papers too smoke 'n mirror it.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.8829904]

>>8829875
Thanks, I think I'll read some Morecock in between the two authors then. Always wanted to give Elric a go anyway.

[Anonymous No.8829912]

>>8829892
>comparing Republicans to Death Eaters

And you wonder why /pol/ likes to come and pick fights here.

[Anonymous No.8829932]

>>8828534
>subtlety of a sledgehammer
>>8828451
>>8828432
>>8829065
Yay or Nay?

[Anonymous No.8829943]

>>8829932

Perfect, you really captured the experience of reading Long Sun.

>*WHACK* ARE YOU CATHOLIC YET? *WHACK* GOD, I AM TALKING ABOUT GOD? GET IT? *WHACK* HOW ABOUT NOW?

[Anonymous No.8830031]

>>8828959
You really need to read the series (as in, the first trilogy) to get why he is saying that.
Pro tip: it ends deliciously.

[Anonymous No.8830176]

>>8830031
Pro tip: it's shit.

[Anonymous No.8830187]

>>8829490
We had this discussion last thread. And the thread before that. And so on.
People can post what they want. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.8830203]

Any books with Freerunning/Parkour Mages out there that you guys know of?

[Anonymous No.8830216]

>>8830203
There's a bit in one of the Dresden Files books where he tries to do parkour, but doesn't really understand how it works and yells "Parkour!" after each jump.

[Anonymous No.8830337]

>>8826539
ayo recommend me some fantasy or scifi with prominent tomboys and reverse traps

[Anonymous No.8830348]

>>8830337
What's a "reverse trap"? A person with a vagina who otherwise has a male body?

[Anonymous No.8830370]

>>8830348
Female wearing male clothes (and maybe acts like a guy too?).

[Anonymous No.8830371]

>>8830348
An androgynous girl.

[Anonymous No.8830372]

>>8830348
newfag
it's a female who dresses as a male and can pass as male.

[Anonymous No.8830402]

>>8830372
Ahh, ok. Leviathan by Scott Westerfield has one of those, pretty cute albeit YA.

[Anonymous No.8830511]

>>8830370
One of the main characters in The Shadow Campaigns series is a woman who disguised herself as a man to join the army.

[Anonymous No.8830566]

>>8826561
The Legion books are good.

[Anonymous No.8830640]

>>8830370
>Female wearing male clothes (and maybe acts like a guy too?).
Average western female Anno 2016?

[Anonymous No.8830641]

>>8829112
Hi no script

[Anonymous No.8830648]

>>8830640
this is u

[Anonymous No.8830661]

>>8830402
speaking of biopunk and traps, anybody else here into twig?

[Anonymous No.8830695]

>>8829901
Read Jonathan strange and Mr Norrell

[Anonymous No.8830707]

>>8830648
It is not but even if it was would it make me any less correct?

[Anonymous No.8830713]

>>8829932
What is going on i this pic?

[Anonymous No.8830767]

I am finishing the Temeraire series soon, and while it has its problems, have come to enjoy the connection between dragon and captain. Any recs for this, or animal husbandry in general?

[Anonymous No.8830865]

>>8830767
Dragon's Blood?

[Anonymous No.8830870]

>>8830767
You could try the Pern stuff, or maybe it's too girly.

[Anonymous No.8830987]

>>8827299
Horrible prose. Extremeley pretentious writing.

[Anonymous No.8831060]

What's /lit/'s opinion on non-linear storytelling?

I'm thinking of inserting a bunch of flashbacks into a story to build up a relationship between two characters who by the story's very nature must be separated

[Anonymous No.8831076]

>>8826539
what is a good place to download audiobooks?

the expanse sixth book has been posted on december 6. how long till its pirated?

[Anonymous No.8831090]

>>8831060
Works better the less points of view you have. And if you give enough information that the player can orient themselves within the story and know roughly when something is taking place.

[Anonymous No.8831098]

>>8830707
You weren't correct in the first place, the fact that you look like pic related is making fun of you, not refuting an argument that is clearly retarded.

[Anonymous No.8831117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggLpARJoLEU

[Anonymous No.8831141]

>>8831098
He's not actually wrong though, at this point it's pretty common for both genders to wear the same shit (jeans, hoodies, Business Casual, etc.) Only real difference is dresses sometimes and women get more shoe options. Of course if you're doing medieval fantasy or something that's different.

[Anonymous No.8831162]

>>8831060
Like most writing techniques it depends on how you do it. If the information is structured as a reveal that furthers or recontextualises the plot then go for it, but if it's information about a character's driving motivation then you should probably bite the bullet and have a prologue or something.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/04/08/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs-the-john-carter-script
Is a pretty good look at flashbacks vs linear storytelling.

[Anonymous No.8831263]

>looking at books online
>title starts with "The"
>keep scrolling

It's my own personal autismo.

[Anonymous No.8831282]

>>8831263
>open a book
>first word is not a noun or a verb

Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.8831314]

>>8829912
if anything democrats seem like the stormtroopers - literally missing anything and then all the points, as well.

[Anonymous No.8831321]

Just finished reading the last book in the broken empire series. Now just feel empty, like a large hole. Anymore books with people like Jorg as a main antagonist? I need to fill the void. Read both steel remains and the first law trilogies

[Anonymous No.8831322]

>>8831282
>>8831263

>Open any book
>Describes the weather immediately

That pisses me off more than anything

[Anonymous No.8831342]

>>8831141
He is correct, Jesus christ so do you guys even go outside? Its a reason theres is almost no unisex cloths. If you go a store and not getting your mom to buy you bigboy clothes maybe you would see it aswell. Most shops specialise in men clothes or women clothes. If a shop sell both they have different sections for men and women

[Anonymous No.8831393]

I read scifi and fantasy as an attempt to escape the boring, depressing, uneventful day-to-day that is my existence. My attempts fail every time.

[Anonymous No.8831401]

>>8831321
Buy some heroin, and take it.

[Anonymous No.8831510]

>>8831282
>First person book.
>I is used for 80%

[Anonymous No.8831546]

>TKaG
>Still not in the charts

Poor Steve

[Anonymous No.8831547]

>>8831321
Read the Red Queen's War. Minimal Jorg but it's slightly better overall, Lawrence got better as a writer.

[Anonymous No.8831552]

>>8831321

I want to know about this too.
>Bad guy ends up saving the world

[Anonymous No.8831563]

>It had never crossed my mind that I would read a greater story than that of Kvothe the Arcane. I had never thought it was possible to find a greater character than the Emperor Jorg Ancrath. I had never even slightly considered that there might be a fantasy world out there toppling that of Τhe Final Empire, and most definitely, I had never thought that i could love a book more than The Night Angel. But here we are.

[Anonymous No.8831573]

>>8831393
What are you currently reading, friend?

[Anonymous No.8831577]

I read fantasy because I need to procrastinate on important things. I am unable to read if I don't have something to procrastinate on.

[Anonymous No.8831584]

>>8831546

His name is Stevian stop calling him Steve, that is not his name.

[Anonymous No.8831598]

This Troper's name is Kvothe, pronounced nearly the same as “Quothe.” Names are important as they tell you a great deal about a person. This Troper has had more names than anyone has a right to.

The Adem call him Maedre. Which, depending on how it’s spoken, can mean “The Flame,” “The Thunder,” or “The Broken Tree.”

“The Flame” is obvious if you’ve ever seen This Troper. He has red hair, bright. If he had been born a couple hundred years ago he would probably have been burned as a demon. This Troper keeps it short but it’s unruly. When left to its own devices, it sticks up and makes him look as if he has been set afire.

“The Thunder” he attributes to a strong baritone and a great deal of stage training at an early age.

This Troper has never thought of “The Broken Tree” as very significant. Although in retrospect he supposes it could be considered at least partially prophetic.

His first mentor called him E’lir because he was clever and he knew it. His first real lover called him Dulator because she liked the sound of it. He has been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. He has been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller. He has earned those names. Bought and paid for them.

But This Troper was brought up as Kvothe. His father once told him it meant “to know.”

He has, of course, been called many other things. Most of them uncouth, although very few were unearned.

He has stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. He burned down the town of Trebon. He has spent the night with Felurian and left with both his sanity and his life. He was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. He treads paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. He has talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of This Troper.

[Anonymous No.8831603]

>>8831598

Amazing.
Such eloquent prose.

[Anonymous No.8831618]

What's sf equivalent of pic related?

[Anonymous No.8831619]

>>8831598
Pity he wasn't really a mythic figure to live up to that description, and instead reads like a whiny self-insert

[Anonymous No.8831657]

>>8831584
>His name is Stevian stop calling him Steve, that is not his name.
>His
>him
>his
just one "me" was needed here.

[Anonymous No.8831665]

>>8831657

No it wasn't, it's overdone after the Bakker incident

[Anonymous No.8831669]

>>8831665
>overdone
>on /lit/
come on.

[Anonymous No.8831672]

>>8831669

Not /lit/, /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.8831675]

>>8831672
>we special snowflakes need our own board
come on, like really.

[Anonymous No.8831680]

>>8831675

This general you dumb fucking idiot what the fuck is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.8831682]

>>8831680
>general is bigger than board
come on, like come on finally.

[Anonymous No.8831687]

>>8831682

I said it's overdone here, not on this entire board

[Anonymous No.8831691]

>>8831687
>here
not quite.

[Anonymous No.8831717]

Are there any feminist-friendly books in the OP?
I'm new to fantasy so I felt that this would be the best place to ask, thanks.

[Anonymous No.8831726]

>>8831717
I'm not really certain what the criteria are - I could name some books with female leads, but there's some disagreement about what constitutes a good female character so not sure if that'd help.

In general Gaiman and LeGuin are probably good bets.

[Anonymous No.8831732]

>>8831717
just google search "strong bad-ass female protagonist fantasy"

[Anonymous No.8831735]

>>8831717
Bakker

[Anonymous No.8831737]

>>8831717

Sanderson definitely

[Anonymous No.8831738]

>>8831732
Is that necessarily feminist, though? A lot of them just seem like some GRRM-esque neckbeard guy's wank fantasy.

[Anonymous No.8831753]

>>8831738
but isn't that what feminism is?

[Anonymous No.8831761]

>>8831598
This is too perfect

[Anonymous No.8831781]

>>8831321
My friend, welcome to the GRI brotherhood.

[Anonymous No.8831787]

>>8831717
The best written: The Lions of Al-Rassan, books by the following authors (Seth Dickinson, NK Jemisin - avoid the Kingdoms series because that's kinda badly written), Daniel Abrahams - Dagger and Coin, books by Le Guin and Garth Nix).

Sameish female characters but still feminist - Brandon Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.8831804]

>>8831781
What if I'm only interested in incest?

[Anonymous No.8831836]

>>8831804
like this ?

>He glanced at the old, adulterate witch, wanting to want to have her killed. But
for as long as he could remember, she had been the totem, the sacred fetish that held the mad machinery of power in place. The old, insatiable Empress alone was indispensable. Those times, in his youth, when she had awakened him in the heart of night, stroking his cock, tormenting him with pleasure, cooing into his tongue-wet ear: “Emperor Xerius . . . Can you feel it, my lovely, godlike son?” She had been so beautiful then.

>It had been across her hand that he’d first come, and she’d taken his seed and bid him taste it. “The future,” she had said, “tastes of salt . . . And it stings, Xerius, my lovely child . . .” That warm laugh that had wrapped cold marble with comfort. “Taste how it stings . . .”

[Anonymous No.8831842]

>>8831804
You're shit out of luck

[Anonymous No.8831851]

>>8830337
Monstrous regiment. The MC. Just read it.

[Anonymous No.8831852]

>>8831717

Stay away from womameme authors if you want actual GOOD feminist fantasy

[Anonymous No.8831858]

>>8831076
It was up the same day. Halfway through. Audiobookbay has stuff usually.

[Anonymous No.8831859]

What's the coziest /sffg/ series?

[Anonymous No.8831865]

>>8831859

Sabriel

[Anonymous No.8831870]

>>8831836
Yea I read that I think, but I stopped when that burly gay guy was whining about being called a fag.

And no, b/s is more my thing.

[Anonymous No.8831972]

>>8831717
Look up the authors and if they're Jews you're good to go. If you want a less political version of misandry then Urusla Le Reddit is a good choice. If you want lesbian asian supremacists murdering white men and reproducing by cloning then Benjanun Sriduangkaew is a good choice IIRC.

[Anonymous No.8831973]

>>8831738
Are you saying GRRM isn't a huge pussy whipped feminist?

[Anonymous No.8831993]

>>8831972
>Benjanun Sriduangkaew
Just read a little about her, and the "report on damage done". That's a modern feminist alright. And she's been nominated for awards, of course.

[Anonymous No.8832006]

>>8831973
GRRM is a shit and overrated author. His last good work was Fevre Dreams.

[Anonymous No.8832025]

>>8826707
The inquisition acted 100% within the law of its time.

Having done no wrongs, it turned to caring for the elderly and eventually dissolved itself.

Anything else is revisionism.

[Anonymous No.8832040]

>>8831584
I'm sorry, Stephen.

[Anonymous No.8832116]

>female protagonists

[Anonymous No.8832117]

What's the best asian fantasy novel/series?

[Anonymous No.8832176]

>>8832117
Asian in which sense?

[Anonymous No.8832221]

>>8832176
Written by one, subversive fantasy or thematically Asian and not manga.

[Anonymous No.8832239]

>>8832221
I think he meant West Asian (Islamic) or East Asian (Samurai Commies)

[Anonymous No.8832272]

>>8832239
Nobody uses the term asian to refer to towelheads though

[Anonymous No.8832279]

>>8832272
The entire United Kingdom disagrees with you.

[Anonymous No.8832292]

>>8832239
Alright, what's a good fantasy book written by a wide-eyed mongoloid?

[Anonymous No.8832308]

>>8832279
Nobody cares about the opinion of beady eyed Anglo scum.

[Anonymous No.8832319]

>>8832308
>when a non-Saxon starts screeching autistically near you

[Anonymous No.8832331]

Has anybody here read Ancillary Justice? I'm thinking of buying it and I wanted to know if there's any reason I shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.8832341]

>>8832331
>and I wanted to know if there's any reason I shouldn't.

It's written by a womameme

[Anonymous No.8832364]

>>8832331
>any reason I shouldn't
The sequel sucks

[Anonymous No.8832367]

>>8832341
Right. But is the story engaging? Are there any major annoyances with the narrative style?

>>8832364
Is the book itself good, though?

[Anonymous No.8832378]

>>8832367
>Is the book itself good, though?
In my opinion, yes.

[Anonymous No.8832391]

I just finished the Traitor Baru Cormorant, and while good, I feel like the last chapter did that short story thing where every sentence needs to be "meaningful" and imbued with grandeur to the point where it got in the way of the story. Everything came together as it should have, but the change in register and tense was over the top.

[Anonymous No.8832457]

Anybody has a good first contact sci-fi novel to recommend? I feel I already read the famous ones, Contact, Mote in God's eyes and Childhood's end. I liked Mote the best because it fit with my wish for it to be a more remote future.

In the lack of a good first contact, early contact will do, like the beginning of diplomacy/war, preferably diplomacy or cold war.

[Anonymous No.8832471]

>>8832457
HAHAHA BLINDSIGHT

[Anonymous No.8832473]

>>8831618
If you are thinking of horror sci fi, maybe Blindsight?

[Anonymous No.8832481]

>>8831618
When I watched this film I felt it was Solaris but horror, but that was a long time ago. Blindsight is good space horror

[Anonymous No.8832488]

What are you getting for Christmas? :)

https://www.kobo.com/pt/en/ebook/the-complete-wheel-of-time

[Anonymous No.8832491]

>>8832471
>>8832473
Mindhive and I read it.

[Anonymous No.8832493]

>>8832471
>>8832473
>>8832481
bask in the glory of Watts

[Anonymous No.8832503]

>>8832471
>>8832473
>>8832481
>>8832491
>>8832493
This is now a blindsight thread.

[Anonymous No.8832546]

>>8832503
I'll ask again, does anyone want to help me write the wikipedia plot summary for Echopraxia?

Also to the anon a few threads ago who linked me Pete's AMAs and I think promised some links about a third novel, have you unearthed anything?

[Anonymous No.8832562]

>>8832546

>Series that are not reddit having wikipedia pages

hah!

[Anonymous No.8832575]

Is the Shattered Sea trilogy worth reading?

[Anonymous No.8832579]

>>8832575
no

[Anonymous No.8832583]

The dying earth series is great! I've been reading for 3 hours straight. Can't put it down

[Anonymous No.8832587]

>>8832575
You'll get through them quick enough if you're interested. To be honest, though, they're a tad too YA for my taste. If you're going to read Abercrombie, stick to the First Law trilogy and its followups. Pretty much the most enjoyment I got out of the Shattered Sea was with the maps.

[Anonymous No.8832592]

>>8832587
Just wondering because those books are the only Abercrombie books in my local small library

[Anonymous No.8832602]

>>8832592
Go for it, then. I'm sure you can blitz through them quick enough. They're alright stories and the characters are well written. You just have to accept that your protagonists are teenagers and act like it the whole way through.

[Anonymous No.8832608]

>>8832602
guess I'll read them then

[Anonymous No.8832655]

>>8826539
is this pic how fedora tippers imagine themselves?

[Anonymous No.8832777]

>>8831598
An outlaw hunting outlaws

A bounty hunter

A renegade

>cue harmonica

[Anonymous No.8832789]

>>8832473
>>8832481
Thanks I'll check it out.
I've read solaris too, it's great and has little horor too

[Anonymous No.8832795]

>>8832367
It won some awards. The sequels aren't as interesting.

[Anonymous No.8832805]

>>8832378
>>8832795
I'll give it a read so.

[Anonymous No.8832816]

>>8828173
I'm trying to find his Facebook post on weight loss, Yudkowsky is 24-karet gold.

[Anonymous No.8832842]

Sanderson is too anime for me.

[Anonymous No.8832849]

>>8832583
Are you the guy who loved dune and wanted to start wolfe?

[Anonymous No.8832905]

>>8832816
>>8828173

[Anonymous No.8832914]

>>8832292
Kino's Journey.

[Anonymous No.8832947]

>>8832816
>>8832905

[Anonymous No.8832993]

>>8832457
If you're not put off by religion The Sparrow and its sequel are good.

[Anonymous No.8833016]

Is it just me, or does any one here find female character PoV to be completely dreadful no matter how good the character is?

And no I Have nothing against women

[Anonymous No.8833057]

>>8833016
I know what you mean, but in my experience, no.

[Anonymous No.8833087]

>>8832457
Mrrhrhr

[Anonymous No.8833258]

>>8832457
How about first contact with alien spaceship?

[Anonymous No.8833389]

>>8833258
That book was terrible, why do people keep recommending it? The queer pedo couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag.

[Anonymous No.8833413]

>>8828935
t. cnaiur

still mad AF that moenghus pumped and dumped him

[Anonymous No.8833462]

>>8833258
Read it too. Also Ringworld, there is advanced stage of diplomacy, and Crossfire by Nancy Kress, a good first contact one, with a colony ship and a nice alien concept, unfortunately, the second book isn't as good as it starts delving too much into politics leaving out the things that made the first book exciting.

Any others?

[Anonymous No.8833491]

>>8832457
Fiasco by Stanisław Lem.

[Anonymous No.8833507]

Is the Way of Kings worth reading? Sanderson's writing style annoys me. He tries to write without being pretentious but it comes off as juvenile / lacking depth it seems.

[Anonymous No.8833526]

>>8833507
The second best fantasy book I've read in my life. The 1st was "Words of Radiance"

[Anonymous No.8833554]

>>8833507
From someone who made it through 900 pages of it and had never read Sanderson before:

No. I honestly think it's not worth reading. On a technical level, it's poorly paced and in bad need of editing, and I even recall one or two sections where Sanderson seemed to unintentionally repeat himself. As far as substance, it has a YAish plot and prose: it's the first season of a shonen anime already stuck in plot inertia. There are a couple scenes worth reading that I remember, but the rest is simply not worth wading through.

[Anonymous No.8833602]

Any meta-parodies or plain parody fantasy novels with a total mary sue as the protagonist.

[Anonymous No.8833606]

>>8833507

I personally liked it. It's true that it could have been shorter and Sanderson could use some help with writing dialogue, but overall it's the best thing he ever wrote.

[Anonymous No.8833609]

>>8833602
Pretty much anything by a womanmeme author, it's unintentional though.

[Anonymous No.8833618]

>>8833507
Get the audiobook. That way you can take it in passively when driving or walking. The narrators for it are pretty good.
You will be missing out on all the maps Sanderson puts in his books but if you care about that then fuck you.

[Anonymous No.8833651]

>>8833609
>look mom i posted it again

[Anonymous No.8833652]

>>8833618
>audiobooks

not my cup of tea tbqhwymf

[Anonymous No.8833679]

>>8833651

just filter him.

[Anonymous No.8833717]

>>8833413
Dunyain apologists will be purged as well

Remove dunyain remove dunyain

[Anonymous No.8833747]

>>8826561
Elantris has cringey "humor" and I didn't care for the characters.

Is Way of Kings better?

[Anonymous No.8833752]

>>8833717
Calm down akka you cuck

[Anonymous No.8833767]

>tfw you have to read Bakker to keep up with the rest of /sffg/ even though you find the prose horrible and the whole thing pretentious

[Anonymous No.8833782]

>>8833767
>tfw you just let plebs be plebs and go along for the ride

[Anonymous No.8833839]

>>8832546
http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=5438

Last paragraph

[Anonymous No.8833851]

>>8833767
>>8833782
is the prose really that bad?

what is "good prose" for a fantasy/sf book? yea, it's pretentious as fuck but i like the themes.

[Anonymous No.8833871]

>>8833767
>MUH PROSE

[Anonymous No.8833905]

>>8833767
>reading to cater to an anonymous community

Joke's on you. I hope you understand that.

[Anonymous No.8833997]

>>8833767
Not that guy, but I read Gene Wolfe because of SFFG. So SFFG's taste isn't completely bad.

>>8833851
The best prose I have found in SF/fantasy is in JG Ballard and Ursula Le Guin.

Ballard has this detached and icy quality that is meditative. Reading him feels like taking a slow inward journey into the mind, where new and interesting perspectives about people are revealed. He is also an extremely visual writer who has a memorable way with surreal images.

Le Guin is prettier, she has a more zen-like feel because of the references to Eastern religious philosophy.

Wolfe's prose, especially in BOTNS, is something you have to acquire a feel for, especially when negotiating the archaic vocabulary. He is a lot more demanding than Ballard, Le Guin, and anybody else I can think of, but there is more substance to his prose, layers and subtexts which demand rereading to appreciate.

Prose and style are what makes genre writing endure, unless you have the visionary mind of somebody like Philip K Dick and Frank Herbert. Otherwise, it's mere entertainment.

[Anonymous No.8834112]

>>8833602
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.8834122]

>>8833602
Discworld series

[Anonymous No.8834134]

>>8832221
Aiyoku no Eustia

It's a pornographic visual novel, that's not a manga. If you meant you don't want something with anime-like artstyle, then ignore this suggestion.

[Anonymous No.8834147]

>>8834112
the sword of truth series

[Anonymous No.8834153]

>>8833602

Prince Of Nothing.

[Anonymous No.8834226]

>>8833851
The thing I found most annoying in Bakker's books is how EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHARACTER constantly describes everything in terms of DEEP TRUTHS about NATURE OF MEN. At the beginning it gives the story a nice "epic" feel, so I didn't mind. But everybody does this all the time, and they all do it in the exact same voice in reaction to the most inane and stupid shit. So it quickly goes from epic to silly to annoying and finally to murdertheauthorburnthebooks.jpg. I think it also gets worse in the second series. This is the reason I didn't read the last book yet, and not sure I want to.

[Anonymous No.8834266]

>>8834226
well to be fair the entire series is bakker's attempt address some of those questions, the characters and plot are just a vehicle for that

it can definitely get tedious though, especially when you have entire chapters with akka constantly philosophizing on how he got cucked and the absolute rusing that kelhus pulled on him

[Anonymous No.8834276]

I never read Bakker but from what I gather this Kellhus guy is a colossal Gary Stu, super awesome at everything, cucks everybody and shit.

So what stops one of this cucked guys from just, I don't know, stabbing him in the face? Is the entire world beta except him?

[Anonymous No.8834310]

>>8834276
he gets btfo in the first series but survives and wins over an empire due to christ-like religious 'resurrection'

idk the series is ok

[Anonymous No.8834336]

>>8834266
The problem is not that it happens at all - some of it is certainly justified and contributes positively to the book. But then there's tons of instances where a slave farts and the empress of the known world has a three-page internal monologue on how it is ever in the nature of slaves to sully their betters or some such shit. After five books of this I started skipping those passages almost entirely, or I'd facedesk myself to death. There's just too much of it. And it certainly wouldn't hurt if he at least tried to match the tone/style to the character.

[Anonymous No.8834397]

>>8828551
>>8828900
>Kellhus is such a manipulator that people IRL think he's a good guy

fug

[Anonymous No.8834406]

>>8831973
GRRM is just a nerd who jumped on the feminist bandwagon when it became clear that they were the publishing gatekeepers.

[Anonymous No.8834480]

>>8829932
You better don't let Marc see this, he would go postal. He worships Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.8834487]

>>8834480
>>8829932

[Anonymous No.8834496]

>>8832842
Try House of Blades.
It's about Bleach living in Naruto's frog dimension, fighting people that ate One Piece's Devil Fruit.

[Anonymous No.8834609]

>>8834397
kelhus did literally nothing wrong and he is the only person capable of fighting the consult

[Anonymous No.8834616]

>>8834609

why does the consult even need to be fought in the first place? They are right and have done nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.8834630]

>halfway through reading Buried Meme
>it's literally fiction
>the only think fantastical so far is the name dropping of fantasy creatures
>Author wants to give you "muh feelings and loss" through prose
>So far it's Muh Alzheimer: The Novel.
Wait till I get that shitposting shill...

[Anonymous No.8834641]

>>8834630
>literally
Literary**

I need to sleep. Will finish this shit book tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.8834648]

>>8834616
they're dirty xenos

[Anonymous No.8834821]

>>8833997
You seem knowledgeable, what are your thoughts on the "difficultly" of the prose of a writer like Watts, or other hard scifi, which is dependant on a rudementary understanding of science. I.E. The Pyramosal RNA bit on Starfish, which required me to tab out to Wikipedia.

And I agree Ballards prose, while odd, is some of the best in the genre. Have you read any Pohl? I enjoyed his style in Gateway.

[Anonymous No.8834828]

>>8833389
Amen. it was pretty sexist too

[Anonymous No.8834944]

>>8833016
I think I always enjoy women whe they're just realistic in a way, and not just... mary sue and / or artificial and / or fitting many feminazi tropes of how women should be portrayed.

For example, I enjoy the women POV chapters in the expanse series very much,
> Chrisjen Avasarala is a badass bureaucrat taking care of business and saving the world day after day, not giving a fuck and willing to sacrifice everything including her life. She also has a husband, who loves poetry and mostly spends time with the grandkids
> Bobbie Draper is a 2m+ giant of a woman, fiercely loyal and with a good soldiers mentality, uncomplicated and practical, a proper badass. enjoys lifting weights
> Naomi Nagata is an ex terrorist mechanic and fucking the captain, whom you could call main character, she's down to earth and a real asset 100% of the time

basically, you know, women who aren't leeches or fucktoys or manipulating bitches.

Essentially, I can mostly enjoy women POV chapters if they're basically men in womens bodies I think.

I also hate GRRMs female POV, feels like I'm reading his personal fapfiction there in some places. I can really feel his fat fingers emenating from the pages, and have a visual image of his fat face, dry lips and him licking it over and over, occasionally wiping away some of the sweat that accumulates on his forehead by all the excitement.

that's what female POV chapters by GRRM do for me. It's mental torture.

[Anonymous No.8834961]

>>8834397
lol'd

[Anonymous No.8834991]

>>8834944
chrisjen is absolutely a manipulative bitch (at work) though

she just does it for the greater good

[Anonymous No.8835012]

>>8834991
well yeah, and she's also antagonistic at times - which I don't mind, shes got facettes to her character, and one can easily understand the kind of goals she wants to achieve.

Mostly, really, she's straight fucking forward with everything she does. It's all straight up: Blackmail, Violence, whatever get's the job done.

[Anonymous No.8835211]

>>8834821
You flatter me, if my knowledge of SF is wide, it's also thin.

I can't abide hard SF which indulges in lengthy passages of prose full of scientific jargon. Greg Bear comes to mind, as does Arthur C Clarke. To my surprise, Asimov is not a big offender here, and he is an author who wrote legit biochemistry textbooks (his fiction I have read is more like detective pulp).

A story which does this too much begins to read like an academic exercise, and actually ruins the immersion for someone like me, who never studied science after sixteen.

I haven't read Pohl but Man Plus and Gateway have been on my amazon wishlist for six months, so the chances are I will read him soon.

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Esoteric memes like these are why I come to this thread.