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Official Christian /lit/ General Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:30:18 2016 No.8801623 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:32:17 2016 No.8801627 Excited to dive into Confessions once I'm done exams How familiar with neoplatonism do I have to be to read Meister Eckhart?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:32:20 2016 No.8801628 >>8801623 Praise Jesus! Pascal's Wager.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:41:49 2016 No.8801650 >>8801628 Pascal's Wager is a shit proposition and no Christian should take it seriously. You should be driven to Christianity by love of the Lord.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:44:43 2016 No.8801660 File: 548 KB, 640x1000, Bread Pill.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Anno Domini MMXVI >Not being bread pilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:46:05 2016 No.8801665 >>8801650 Agreed. >>8801627 Nah, Eckhart is simple and easy to understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:46:27 2016 No.8801667 File: 3.35 MB, 2560x2739, Advanced bread pill.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:52:21 2016 No.8801684 File: 605 KB, 1400x2065, 91CO1+KBUAL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This was absolute biblio.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:53:21 2016 No.8801686 File: 55 KB, 465x380, am i being rused.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8801660

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 00:53:54 2016 No.8801688 >>8801684 Feels like Scorcese's going to fuck it up, though.

>>	No. Mon Dec 5 00:55:10 2016 No.8801690 File: 78 KB, 999x999, PETROS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8801686

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 01:03:34 2016 No.8801716 >>8801627 Just finished a paper on this book. Heres my advice: read something else. I suggest his other work like The Happy Life or City of God. Or boethius if you havent read him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 01:56:43 2016 No.8801861 >>8801686 Matthew 4:19?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 01:59:46 2016 No.8801866 >>8801623 Can I be a Christian while being redpilled (in the /pol/ way) without contradictions? Can you hate women and minorities and still be a good believer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:03:18 2016 No.8801874 >>8801716 Really? Don't get me wrong, everything by Augustine is great, but the Confessions is such an interesting read. I really enjoy his expositions on the Psalms. Late have I loved you, O beauty ever ancient, ever new.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:24:52 2016 No.8801902 >>8801866 Nope

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:33:21 2016 No.8801917 >>8801866 No

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:45:40 2016 No.8801932 >>8801874 It's also an absolutely beautiful read too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:46:03 2016 No.8801934 >>8801686 I guess Paul DID spread the gospel in Turkey....

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:46:14 2016 No.8801935 >>8801866 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, man nor woman; all are one in Jesus Christ.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:47:41 2016 No.8801939

If you're atheist or agnostic and interested in Catholicism I suggest reading the following.

Belief in God in an Age of Science
Surprised by Joy
Christianity for Modern Pagans
A Life of Jesus
Exploring Christian Theology
Kristin Lavransdatter

The first five are nonfiction and the last one is fiction. They're all good reads, even if you don't plan to convert at all.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 02:56:14 2016 No.8801952

>>8801866
You can be anything you want. God will solve all contradictions if you heed his call. You can hate anyone or anything as long as you love God. And you don't need to ask permission from anybody, since no man is guardian of his kingdom. You need to talk to him in your heart, not to men who pretend they know him and will happily lay down "his" law on you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 03:06:37 2016 No.8801959 >>8801952 >You can hate anyone or anything as long as you love God. I respectfully disagree. Jesus preached against hatred and violence.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 03:07:53 2016 No.8801961

>>8801866
No. I'm sorry, but race isn't even a category, unless you are a protestant.
>>8801623
I'll just list authors
Chesterton
Belloc
Dante
Chaucer
Endo
Greene
O'Connor
Wolfe
Tolkien
Geach
Anscombe
MacIntyre
Feser
Oderberg
Ratzinger
Kempen
Faustina Kowalska
Teresa of Avila
John of the Cross
Aquinas
Boethius
Pascal
Leibniz
De Maistre
Kirk
Augustine
Bonaventure
Scotus

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 03:33:35 2016 No.8801995 >>8801952 >I've never read the Bible

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 05:13:08 2016 No.8802169 >>8801959 >>8801995 I think his point is that though those initial contradictions exist, they are resolved through faith and through the pursuit of God (through God, rather than through man alone). In this, what he is saying is perfectly right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 08:27:48 2016 No.8802546 File: 172 KB, 441x257, Messages Image(229186454).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My diary, desu :3

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 08:32:17 2016 No.8802560 >>8801961 Maximus the Confessor is a pretty cool guy too desu senpai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 08:46:39 2016 No.8802600 >>8802560 I haven't gotten around most early Christian writers yet

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 08:47:13 2016 No.8802601 >>8802169 No he's retarded and so are you

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 08:54:44 2016 No.8802614 >>8801623 A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 08:59:02 2016 No.8802628 >>8802614 It's a story of him leaving the faith, probably not the best choice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 09:00:29 2016 No.8802632 >>8802628 JOYCE UNJOUNDED

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 09:01:07 2016 No.8802636 >>8802628 It's exactly the right choice

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 09:38:04 2016 No.8802728 >>8802636 For Christian literature? I disagree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 12:18:12 2016 No.8803323 File: 43 KB, 301x475, 515NYWYH8GL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8801667 >>8801623 Just started reading "This Present Darkness." Dialogue felt a little stilted at first plus parts are kinda cheesy but I'm actually really enjoying it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 12:23:26 2016 No.8803354 [DELETED]

>>8801866
Hating women and minorities is pretty stupid and childish. Many women are corrupted by modernity and simply need a strong and positive male in their lives. Many minorities simply have low IQ levels, this is not reason to hate them.

You can love and protect your family and people, however.

Have a commonsense approach to reality but dont put your faith in politics, put it in God.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 12:44:09 2016 No.8803437 >>8803354 >Have a commonsense approach to reality That's pretty modernist thinking Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 12:52:54 2016 No.8803469 File: 135 KB, 800x800, an_exorcist_more_stories.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8803323 Furthermore, I ordered this as I've become interested in spiritual warfare and possessions/excorcicisms

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 12:54:25 2016 No.8803474 >>8803437 Care to explain?

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 13:23:51 2016 No.8803580

>>8803474
What people consider "common sense" is essentially relativism which isn't wholly compatible with Christian belief.

>The faith of Christ is in opposition to human reason and divine revelation not only is not useful, but is even hurtful to the perfection of man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 13:30:31 2016 No.8803609 Is quietism still a heresy? I think it's a comfy philosophy and wish to subscribe to it, but I ain't no heretic.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 13:31:31 2016 No.8803611

>>8801874
Eh i mean its kind of overhyped if i do say so myself. Personally I think Boethius story is much more compelling.i mean the autobiography parts of the work are interesting enough but theres always a feeling of "Im missing something" if youre reading a translation. Often in the footnotes you'll find phrases like "This part is untranslatable omg its so beautiful i wish u could read this shit, if u only u werent a pleb lel"

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 14:01:53 2016 No.8803713 >>8803609 Yes. What do you find comfy about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 14:16:13 2016 No.8803765 >>8801961 my boy albertus magnus getting shafted once more. Typical

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:14:59 2016 No.8804219 >>8803765 That's because his job was recognising Aquinas

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:16:33 2016 No.8804225 >>8801866 >Can you hate women and minorities and still be a good believer? They've been doing it for millennia, why stop now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:17:59 2016 No.8804234 >>8803354 >sincere unironic Christian >being a /pol/tard in all but name >accuses anyone of low IQ

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:43:48 2016 No.8804339 >>8804234 I stated an objective fact that certain ethnic groups have lower IQs than others. That's all. Odd that you became so hostile, friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:45:56 2016 No.8804348 >>8803580 I took Christian belief for granted. When I said "common sense", I meant grounded political choices. Interesting point though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:48:25 2016 No.8804357 >>8804225 >>8804234 The obligatory shitposter is here to inform us all that he is too clever to believe in God. Very good lad, you can go now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:54:31 2016 No.8804383 >>8804225 Wait, what? you believe Christendom was built on "hatred" of women and minorities? Even though Mary, Mother of God; Jesus of Nazareth is kinda what the NT is about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 16:59:12 2016 No.8804402 >>8802169 There are no contradictions in the bible. Any apparent contradiction is resolved with a greater knowledge of history, language, context, and a general understanding of literature and genre.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:00:01 2016 No.8804406 Is Chesterton considered Christian, even outside of the obvious choices? I just got around to reading The Man Who Was Thursday, and would love some resources for better understanding it. I felt completely lost during the philosophy of the chase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:00:47 2016 No.8804409 >>8804383 Learn to read, friendo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:01:49 2016 No.8804414 File: 127 KB, 960x1800, 1284597558516.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >There are no contradictions in the bible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:05:13 2016 No.8804433 >>8804414 Did you misunderstand that or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:06:48 2016 No.8804442 >>8804406 He's the seminal Catholic author of the century. In any case, fedoras and polfags please fuck off, leave us in peace to talk about books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:06:57 2016 No.8804444 Why don't I hear more people recommend Until We Have Faces? It's the most moving thing Lewis ever wrote.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:16:21 2016 No.8804472 >>8804444 Mostly because I don't really like Lewis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:19:31 2016 No.8804483 >>8804472 His works are each so distinct from each other, it seems strange to categorically dislike the whole body. What have you read, and what didn't you like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:21:47 2016 No.8804491 >>8804483 I've read a few Narnia ones, Mere Christianity, Screwtape letters and a few others I can't remember the names of atm. I just find him to be very mediocre in almost all aspects, especially retrospectively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:29:09 2016 No.8804517 >>8804219 >I forgot him because im a pleb but no actually its because hes actually irrelevant. I am unfalliable

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:33:26 2016 No.8804528

which bible translation should I read famalam? I go the ESV reference bible because it was free on kindle but I have NASBRE and RSVCE from my catholic childhood. Also, i can get KJV or any other older translation on project gutenberg, so just rec me some good translations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:35:02 2016 No.8804532 >>8804528 King Jimmy will always be the most aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:38:11 2016 No.8804545 >>8801866 Christianity is unfortunately a globalist religion, it worked great when it was contained to Europe, then it was an European religion. But no longer... A religion for everyone, is a religion for no one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:39:38 2016 No.8804550 What is the origin of undeserved suffering?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:42:01 2016 No.8804560 >>8804550 The will of God. He sends us suffering to see if we truly love him and are prepared to walk the road of justice when it is hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:46:03 2016 No.8804580 >>8804560 And if we are not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:48:07 2016 No.8804589 >>8804580 Justice will be served.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:51:29 2016 No.8804598 >>8804589 So does God create some human beings to suffer, fail to act justly and then suffer some more?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:53:05 2016 No.8804602 >>8804532 RSV-2CE is unaesthetic as fuck, they completely removed the KJB shit like thou and art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 17:57:34 2016 No.8804619 >>8804598 He doesn't create them for it, but it will happen to many yes as they will reject him. He cannot force man to love him or to be at his presence, even if he gives hundreds of opportunities to everyone throughout their lifetime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:00:15 2016 No.8804629 Assuming infinite timelines, does each splintering create a new soul, or is it, as an extra universal construct, shared between bodies? And has anyone written anything good about this concept?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:06:38 2016 No.8804658 >>8804619 Why does God need someone so desperately to love him if he's perfect?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:07:18 2016 No.8804661 Moby Dick

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:09:49 2016 No.8804668 >>8804658 He doesn't. He just wants to. He is triune so he already shares love within the three persons. >>8804629 You cannot assume infinite timelines as theology is clear on there being a beginning and the end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:11:56 2016 No.8804675 >>8804658 Because one-way love is not love. Try it, if you don't believe me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:17:53 2016 No.8804695 >>8804668 So God "just wants to" be loved and therefore creates suffering?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:24:00 2016 No.8804717 >>8804695 God didn't create suffering, that's blatantly obvious in Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:26:22 2016 No.8804735 >>8804658 God isn't a Vulcan senpai.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 18:27:21 2016 No.8804741

>>8804695
He already is loved like I said.
He created beings with free will who reject him and do evil, which is the source of suffering and as his mercy is the same as his justice as he is being itself he will shine upon all souls and some will burn in it and some will be in bliss. He also partook in the suffering himself on the cross, submitting himself to be, as God, tortured and killed like a common criminal in the most degrading way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 19:07:33 2016 No.8804893 >>8804668 I don't see how there being a beginning and end automatically dismisses infinite timelines. That they would all start from the same point is more than possible, and a simultaneous end is equally feasible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 19:46:29 2016 No.8805051 >>8804528 Currently reading the confraternal version. Underrated translation, especially good if you want a Catholic one. The physical copies are like 5 dollars on Amazon and they're pretty comfy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 19:50:23 2016 No.8805070 >>8804619 >people suffer because they reject God Hmmm, not entirely sure about that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:07:51 2016 No.8805371 >>8804629 >does each splintering create a new soul No. The soul cannot be penetrated or divided.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:31:43 2016 No.8805467 I'm curious. Do the Christians in the thread actually believe that the Bible is literally true(as in it conforms with both physical and metaphysical reality), or do you believe the Bible speaks of truth in action?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:45:02 2016 No.8805503 >>8805467 The Bible is inerrant, however, this is the case only when the Bible is properly understood, interpreted by the Church.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:47:25 2016 No.8805513 >>8805503 So, you believe then that a story like Cain and Abel literally happened some time in history, or do you think the meaning of the story is the point, or both perhaps?

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:52:40 2016 No.8805541

>>8805513
Yes, both.

"According to ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses.

The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith; The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny."

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:55:21 2016 No.8805552 >>8805503 I agree with this, up until the last 4 words being as I'm Protestant I believe its open to personal interpretation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 21:57:11 2016 No.8805555 >>8801961 >race isn't even a category, unless you are a protestant. what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 22:04:15 2016 No.8805578 >>8805552 You're given a lot of wiggle room for personal interpretation in Catholicism for the most part but there's a limit, you can't really be catholic and not believe in transubstantiation for instance.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 22:07:02 2016 No.8805593

>>8805578
that goes for all denominations, like you can't be a baptist and believe in infant baptism
the biggest line though, is that Protestants can differ in certain beliefs and still consider each other true saved Christians, but Catholics will consider you a heretic if you reject transubstantiation or papal infallibility or mass etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 22:14:04 2016 No.8805628 >>8801628 Stop polishing your katana and read some Russian lit.

Anonymous Mon Dec 5 22:19:50 2016 No.8805662

>>8805541
>one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual

So, this could mean that the Church can consider a lot of the stories in the Bible to not have literally taken place, but stories imbued with divine meaning regardless?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 22:25:27 2016 No.8805682 >>8805662 Sure, if the "Church" is in heresy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 5 22:55:03 2016 No.8805778 >>8805682 But you just said you could distinguish between two senses of Scripture, literal and spiritual.

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 00:35:02 2016 No.8806099
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>>8801866
>Can you hate women and minorities and still be a good believer?
Leftypol pls, no Christian nor /pol/ack would ever say such a thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 00:55:31 2016 No.8806169 File: 663 KB, 2271x1179, 1480975080495.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best American Christian writers of the 20th century?

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 01:02:41 2016 No.8806194

>>8804545
>Christianity is unfortunately a globalist religion, it worked great when it was contained to Europe, then it was an European religion.
>But no longer...
This is the kind of idiot that posts desu vult shit and dreams of animu like crusading without knowing what that was all about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 02:46:35 2016 No.8806405 File: 354 KB, 1024x768, peacock6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8806169 Flan Flan

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 02:50:07 2016 No.8806410 >>8804545 >Christianity is unfortunately a globalist religion, it worked great when it was contained to Europe >Palestine is in Europe

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 02:58:59 2016 No.8806417 do u guys like alvin plantinga?

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 03:10:07 2016 No.8806442

>>8806417
>Warranted Christian Belief is a book written by Alvin Plantinga and published in 2000 (Oxford University Press). It constitutes, after Warrant: The Current Debate and Warrant and proper function, both published in 1993, the last part of his trilogy on epistemology.

>In this book, Plantinga wants first to show that it is rational to accept Christian belief. Plantinga also proposes, with what he calls "the Aquinas/Calvin Model", an "account of the way in which Christian belief is, in fact, justified, rational and warranted".

Interesting... I'm curious how he goes about his argument.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 03:15:03 2016 No.8806450 >>8801627 Lol this is a meme right? I can't be truly one of many actual Christian /lit/izens? It would disintegrate this board's pseudo-state if people actually BELIEVED something. The Confessions are AMAZING

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 03:33:12 2016 No.8806489 >>8806450 You aren't special, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 03:40:49 2016 No.8806500 >>8806489 :P Not about that, friend. Just astonished that this is actually looking like a real movement on the board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 04:20:56 2016 No.8806569 >>8806417 No

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 05:35:17 2016 No.8806683

>>8804717
Is it? What about this bit here in Genesis 3:

16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

How is that him not willfuly creating suffering?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 05:37:18 2016 No.8806686 >>8804735 Well, you say that. Then again, wouldn't you say that God acts sometimes fairly autistic throughout Old Testament?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 06:54:15 2016 No.8806816 >>8806450 Cradle Catholic here, been lurking lit for around 6 years :}

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 06:56:40 2016 No.8806824 >>8806686 >God >acts autistic Lad....

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 13:49:00 2016 No.8808048 File: 125 KB, 418x627, demiurge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What if...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 14:20:13 2016 No.8808187 File: 116 KB, 350x350, 9482765142741779d45fd9c56ccba96ec13c5535fed7543f1b3c182eb136628d.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8808048

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 14:45:33 2016 No.8808295 File: 91 KB, 577x480, 1464426140204.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8801660 >No San Juaz de la Cruz's Cantico espiritual. Did you want to make me sad?

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 15:08:59 2016 No.8808398

Is a multicultural society compatible with christianity? The whole point of the old testament is about Israelites to have their own nation and God's punishments were usually foreing invasions. But then again Christ message is universal. But this doesn't really mean that different cultures need to live together but that all humans are equal to God.

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 15:27:10 2016 No.8808469

>>8808398
>Is a multicultural society compatible with christianity?
No. Not even a liberal society is.
>he whole point of the old testament is about Israelites to have their own nation and God's punishments were usually foreing invasions. But then again Christ message is universal. But this doesn't really mean that different cultures need to live together but that all humans are equal to God.
It means that all cultures should become Christian.
Blacks who are Christian are equally Christian to whites and to Asians. Race is not a category of it really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 16:03:08 2016 No.8808641 >>8808469 What should be the role of the church on the state then? Is a theocracy the only compatible form of goverment from a purely theological perspective?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 16:06:39 2016 No.8808657 >>8808641 No, a theocracy isn't even wanted, the ideal is a state which is led by devout men knowing the goal of life is life eternal. Try Whose Justice Which Rationally by MacIntyre.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 16:34:32 2016 No.8808771 >>8808657 >Try Whose Justice Which Rationally by MacIntyre. Ok thank you. I am just starting to get interested in christianity. I really appreciate your help

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 16:38:49 2016 No.8808793 >>8804528 ESV is probably my favourite. NRSV is good too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 16:43:13 2016 No.8808814 >>8808783 The based cardinal seems to like them a lot. >>8808771 Just keep in mind that it isn't the easiest text, I'm not sure how hard it would be to someone completely new to philosophy.

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Anonymous Tue Dec 6 17:35:41 2016 No.8809052
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>>8808783

10. In Egypt once when Poemen was going somewhere he saw a woman sitting by a grave and weeping bitterly. He said, ‘If all the delights of this world should come to her, they would not bring her out of sorrow. Just so should the monk always be weeping in his heart.’

11. Another time, he went with Anub to the country of Diolcos. Walking past the tombs they saw a woman beating her breast and weeping bitterly. They paused to see her. When they had gone a little further, they met a man and Poemen asked him, ‘What is the matter with the woman over there, that she weeps so bitterly?’ He said, ‘Her husband is dead, and her son, and her brother.’ Poemen said to Anub, ‘I tell you that unless a man mortifies all his self-will and has this kind of grief, he cannot be a monk. The whole life and attention of that woman is wrapped up in grief.’

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 17:37:02 2016 No.8809057 >>8808783 No offence but what do ancient Egyptian neets have to teach me that I can't learn from Saint Elliot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 17:42:25 2016 No.8809081 File: 80 KB, 992x740, iStock_000000618052Medium.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8809057 ‘Go and sit in your cell, and your cell will teach you everything’ But really, I don't know. They are nice to read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 17:47:50 2016 No.8809097 >>8809081 That only works if you've been called m8. Most people would be driven mad by that kind of isolation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 17:50:19 2016 No.8809111 >>8809097 >That only works if you've been called That's not true, and that's not what he meant. I do think it would drive you crazy though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:24:45 2016 No.8809203 At some point or other every Christian should read The Lord of the Rings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:26:33 2016 No.8809209 >>8801623 >>>/his/ Christposting is for his

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:40:43 2016 No.8809264

>>8809203
Ive never read the trilogy nor am I Christian. I watched the movies as a kid like 10+ years ago and did not take away any explicit Christian message.

So my question(s) is, what are the Christian themes in LOTR? If I read it, what should I be on the look out for? Should I read the Bible first or something? Why should Christians read LOTR?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:42:16 2016 No.8809270 >>8809264 There's a lot of articles online about it, google it. It's a popular topics to a lot of authors have written on it and they are usually very interesting and will be far better than posts here.

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:50:48 2016 No.8809301

>>8809270
I suppose I could have done that but I wanted to hear your personal opinion considering this is a discussion board after all.

Ill take a look. Ive been becoming interested in Christianity after reading Dostoevsky and O'Connor recently, LOTR is on the radar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:53:38 2016 No.8809313 >>8809301 I read Lotr a long time ago, I wasn't the poster you replied to. Check out Chesterton, Solzhenitsyn and Shusaku Endo too. If you will enjoy Lotr Gene Wolfe will be a great after him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 18:55:02 2016 No.8809320 >>8809301 Skip Tolkien unless you're one of those tabletop twenty sided dice faggots and go straight to Chesterton and Belloc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 19:27:49 2016 No.8809447 Post your favorite excerpts of Paradise Lost.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 22:24:37 2016 No.8809916 >>8805467 I'm /bible as literature/ camp desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:09:27 2016 No.8810542 >>8809447 You first.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 04:22:49 2016 No.8810921 File: 81 KB, 701x1134, tartanmill-harris-tweed-deerstalker-b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8809057 Anon I have to admit, I genuinely just googled "saint elliot" and then it hit me 3 seconds later.

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