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I'm planning on reading this once I get done with what I'm currently reading, and it'll be my first stab at Joyce. What sort of things do I need to understand in order to get the underlying themes and allusions? So far, the only significant allusion I know of is Dante, whom I'm well aquainted with.

>> No.877270

An open mind and an arse full of farts.

>> No.877344

Bumping to combat the racism.

>> No.877363

Story of Icarus and Daedalus

>> No.877365

Just read it. If it requires tons of analysis to get anything out of, then it's not a good book, is it?

Read it, come to your own conclusions, then read other analysis, and see how that interacts with your conclusions, see if they make more sense then yours, etc. It's called reading, it's a lot of fun, actually! :-)

>> No.877369

arses and farts

>> No.878856

Couldn't read it, didn't really like his style and got bored, ended up switching to Picture of Dorian Grey by Wilde, much more interesting

>> No.878862

>>878856
Son, I am disappoint.

>> No.878891

>>878862
I really tried, maybe it is the stream of consciousness style that sometimes gets me... I read much tougher and longer books. When I was a kid someone told me that you need to read Kafka, Proust and Joyce to be whole. I read all Kafka, tried Joyce and am still looking for an opportunity to read "In search of lost time"

>> No.878916

>>878891
Read Faulkner. Pick up The Sound and The Fury. Awesome novel.

>> No.878919

>>878891
Read Faulkner instead, at least you can't blame any incomprehension on something being ''lost in translation''. And for my money, he's the best stream of consciousness writer I've read.

>> No.878923

>>878916
>>878919
brofist for faulknermind

>> No.878928

i really wouldn't recommend reading portrait for your first stab at joyce. I'd read dubliners first, then ulysses, then portrait, but hey, do what you want. I love james joyce.

>> No.879020

>>877259

I think I'm a pretty smart person, but I'm pretty sure I found it very difficult to relate to alot of the values/themes he was touching upon in the novel. Like I'm sure I understand the basis of what those themes generally were, but it's a 'lost in translation' issue I found, it's one of those cases where the author was writing about a time and place I can't really relate to and understand the moral conflicts the kid was going through. A terrible read for me.

>> No.879028
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879028

>>878928
>Ulysses before Portrait

>> No.879053

Portrait is easy. The steam of consciousness in it is pretty simplistic, especially when compared to The Sound and the Fury.

>> No.879541

maybe you should read finnegans wake instead, OP