/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.8763142]

Fantasy
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
>Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg
>Beginner's Guide to Fantasy:
>https://i.imgur.com/fOGNfWK.jpg

Science Fiction
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/IBs9KE8.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg
>NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://i.imgur.com/IJxTQBL.jpg

Previous Thread: >>8758510

[Anonymous No.8763185]

First for chart

[Anonymous No.8763192]

I MUST KNOW WHAT YOU SEE

[Anonymous No.8763194]

3rd for smug

[Anonymous No.8763198]

>>8763192
TELL ME

[Anonymous No.8763203]

>>8763192

dude weed lmao

[Anonymous No.8763220]

>>8763203
Stop with this weed meme. He doesn't post here, even if you wish he did

[Anonymous No.8763235]

>>8763220

I think you meant to write
>even if you wish I did

[Anonymous No.8763281]

>>8763198
WHAT AM I?

[Anonymous No.8763291]

>>8763235
I hope you get raped by bashrag

[Anonymous No.8763439]

Looking for science fiction with a focus on space colonisation. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.8763471]

>>8763439
If you want an incredibly boring yet interesting read try Red Mars. It's all about colonisation.

[Anonymous No.8763483]

>>8763439
Chasm City

[Anonymous No.8763498]

Is Lewis' space trilogy worth reading?

[Anonymous No.8763535]

>>8763498
Very subjective question. Simple answer is if you like his nonfiction then yes. The religious aspects increase as the series goes on, becoming very blatant in the third book.

[Anonymous No.8763538]

>>8763535
I mean, they're blatant in the others too but the third book takes place on Earth without aliens to shield the metaphors.

[Anonymous No.8763641]

>>8763535
Well, I'm a devout Christian myself so I doubt that will bother me. I was more wondering about the quality of the stories themselves, for some reason I only found out about them just recently. Is there a reason they are so much less unknown than the Narnia books?

[Anonymous No.8763644]

>>8763535
Well, I'm a devout Christian myself so I doubt that will bother me. I was more wondering about the quality of the stories themselves, for some reason I only found out about them just recently. Is there a reason they are so much less known than the Narnia books?

[Anonymous No.8763648]

>>8763644
They're adult-focused. I would put Perelandra as the equal of any Narnia book, and a few scenes in the other books, as far as writing skill and sense of wonder, but they're probably less-known just because adults don't read fantasy as much.

[Anonymous No.8763649]

>>8763641
>>8763644

[Anonymous No.8763654]

Has anyone read or discussed about Heinlein?

[Anonymous No.8763667]

>>8763641
They're quite poorly written and in what feels like a high-fantasy style rather than a science fiction one. It's far more thinly veiled Christian allegory and rhetoric than Narnia, written at a time when he was still honing his writing and aimed at an audience of adults rather than children. The audience for SF even back then was far less theistically minded, so you can see there are a number of reasons why it wasn't all that popular.

I read some interpretations of it which concluded that he was arguing throughout the thing that it's okay to kill sinners as they "become" sin, which is a bit disgusting. The characters are also rubbish cartoonish caricatures.

[Anonymous No.8763755]

>>8763667
>Perelandra
>thinly veiled
It was straight-up the Garden of Eden, it's not like he was trying to trick you.

>I read some interpretations of it which concluded that he was arguing throughout the thing that it's okay to kill sinners as they "become" sin, which is a bit disgusting.
It's incredibly disgusting that someone would try to make Lewis out to be some sort of murderous straw crusader. Where was this?

The Un-Man was very much not human, and was one of the best parts of the series, and one of its best science fiction ideas. What would a man taken over by an alien entity who held the causation of pain as the highest good really be like? What would our responsibilities be toward such a being? And any argument from what happened to the faculty in Hideous Strength would have to ignore how it came directly from their own hubris and not from some sort of low-Anglican Merlinist militia.

[Anonymous No.8763783]

>>8763498
Absolutely.

[Anonymous No.8763789]

>>8763654
Yes. What would you like to discuss anon?

[Anonymous No.8763795]

>>8763439

>>8763471
this

[Anonymous No.8763797]

>>8763439
Tunnel in the Sky.

[Anonymous No.8763798]

>>8763789
What lead to him writing some of his books, and do appreciate his stlye of writing?

[Anonymous No.8763824]

>>8763755
>It was straight-up the Garden of Eden, it's not like he was trying to trick you.
That's still not going to sit well with the audience I mentioned.
>It's incredibly disgusting that someone would try to make Lewis out to be some sort of murderous straw crusader. Where was this?
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/life-and-writings-of-c-s-lewis.html parts 7 and 8
as delivered by C.S. Lewis scholar Louis Markos, Professor in English at Houston Baptist University, where he holds the Robert H. Ray Chair in Humanities. He earned his B.A. in English and History from Colgate University and his M.A. and Ph.D. in English from the University of Michigan.
Surely you've noticed how juvenile The Screwtape Letters were? Lewis was a hack, assuming a soft-Christian cover whilst being semi-secretly fire and brimstone, piggybacking off the success of Tolkein, and the ideas of MacDonald and others.

>blah blah
I'm not going to debate that shit it's been a decade since I read them.

[Anonymous No.8763830]

>>8763824
>Lewis was a hack
Nope.
>I'm not going to debate
>your just wrong lol

[Anonymous No.8763834]

>>8763824
>Surely you've noticed how juvenile The Screwtape Letters were?
What are you talking about? That they were written for average British people and not fellow Oxford dons?

[Anonymous No.8763836]

>>8763830
>Nope.
>your just wrong lol
Thumbs up, mate.

[Anonymous No.8763842]

>>8763836
>I'm not going to debate
>I expect you to debate though

[Anonymous No.8763848]

>>8763834
What does that have to do with anything? Was Paradise Lost written for Oxford Dons? Was Lord of The Rings? No, but they somehow managed not to be juvenile strawmen. Weird, that. Totally inexplicable.

[Anonymous No.8763853]

>>8763848
>juvenile strawmen
But that's not Screwtape Letters. Are you talking about the Subject's secular friends? Because if anything they were too tame.

[Anonymous No.8763854]

>>8763848
>Was Paradise Lost written for Oxford Dons
>implying anyone else even read it even in Lewis' day

[Anonymous No.8763857]

>>8763842
I'm quite happy to debate the parts that you conveniently glossed over with "Nope", but I'm not going to debate the parts it's been a decade since I read, as I mentioned, because that would be silly. Or will you only engage with people on subjects you know they're unprepared for? Top Christian attitude there mate. Jesus would be proud of you.

[Anonymous No.8763861]

>>8763857
>implying it hasn't been that long since I read it too
I just remember things I read, call me strange. OK, tell me how Lewis was actually calling for the slaughter of unbelieving university cultists.

[Anonymous No.8763862]

>>8763857
>losing the argument? Call his tone un-Christian, he probably believes that means he loses!

[Anonymous No.8763867]

>>8763861
I don't know, I don't remember -- you'd have to ask your fellow Christian and C.S. Lewis expert Professor Louis Markos, PhD.

[Anonymous No.8763874]

>>8763862
>losing the argument? Cherry pick irrelevant parts of what your opponent said and only respond to them!

[Anonymous No.8763875]

>>8763867
>not even a Christian
>believes every negative thing he hears about the most beloved Christian author
>but not enough to debate it
>totally willing to debate everything except those things he mentioned

[Anonymous No.8763879]

>>8763874
Your entire argument is "doesn't that seem juvenile?" and "this Southern Baptist professor also doesn't like it."

[Anonymous No.8763884]

>>8763875
>can only think in greentext
Like I'm said, I'm happy to back up my argument that Lewis was a hack, making his story out of one part Tolkein and one part MacDonald. The negative parts are, like I said, coming straight from Louis Markos who, unlike you or I, is an authority on the theological interpretation of Lewis's work. As I'm not him, it's not my place to defend his opinion, merely point out that he said it. If you have trouble with that, tough.

[Anonymous No.8763885]

>>8763874
>criticizes Lewis
>anon answers criticism
>lol it's been 10 years not an argument

[Anonymous No.8763887]

>>8763884
You're going to be shocked when you find out where Tolkein and MacDonald got their ideas. And if you can't see what Lewis added to his stories you're literally illiterate.

[Anonymous No.8763888]

>>8763879
1) It does seem juvenile, which supports Markos's interpretation and
2) I never said he didn't like it.

[Anonymous No.8763892]

>>8763888
1. "I didn't like it" isn't an argument
2. if Markos thought Lewis wanted to kill sinners and still liked it, why are you giving his opinion any more credence than Lewis'?

[Anonymous No.8763894]

>>8763887
I think there's a significant difference between the amount of lived effort that those two put into their work and how Lewis just crassly jammed it together. I'm sorry if someone being critical of your idol is so painful for you.

[Anonymous No.8763897]

>>8763894
Lewis inundated his work with lived effort. This isn't painful, it's just confusing.

[Anonymous No.8763899]

>>8763892
1) It's just as good an argument as "I liked it" or "He's the most adored Christian writer".
2) I'm giving them equal credence, which is why I'm arguing with you about it.

[Anonymous No.8763909]

>>8763897
He tried to get into a popular emerging market with Christian propaganda then when that failed he ripped off his mate and his mate's mentor and created some Christian propaganda which sold well. There's absolutely nothing of his personal experience in those books.

[Anonymous No.8763940]

Do you see any "graphic novel" thread in /lit/?

No you don't. So take this shit somewhere else.

Sci-fi/fantasy is not literature. Sometimes literature is mistakenly identified as sci-fi/fantasy. Learn the difference.

[Anonymous No.8763944]

>>8763940
BUT I LIEK LES WIZARDS AND SWORDS AND MAGIC AND SPACESHIPS IT STIMULATES WHIMSY AND WONDERMENT AND CAUSES MY IMAGINATION TO FLOURISH AND INSPIRES DIVINE UNDERSTANDING OF MY WORLD

[Anonymous No.8763950]

>>8763940
Didn't you get banned, Tripfag?

[Anonymous No.8763958]

>>8763834
Different anon, but yeah, The Screwtape Letters was overly simplistic moralizing written for those who already subscribed to Lewis' beliefs. It's not that it was written for the average person, but the lowest common denominator, so I don't disagree with someone describing it as juvenile.

[Anonymous No.8763960]

>>8763944
I LIKE ANIME!!! I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT IT'S ABOUT IT JUST HAS TO BE FROM JAPAN AND OOOOOOHH AHHHHHH IT SENDS ME TO HEAVEN I FEEL SO GOOOOOOOOOOD I LOVE THE ART STYLE IT IS SO SUPERIOR TO AMERICAN CULTURE IT GIVES ME SO MUCH INSIGHT, IT MAKES A PLACE FOR ME IN SOCIETY AS AN ENLIGHTENED SAGE THAT SHOULD BE CONSULTED IN TIMES OF TROUBLE AND DOUBT

ITS MAKE PERFECT SENSE TO FIXATE ON THE ARTIFICIAL DESIGNATIONS OF "ANIME" OR "SCI-FI" OR "FANTASY" BECAUSE EVERYTHING LABELLED LIKE THAT HAS THE SAME EXTREMELY HIGH ARTISTIC VALUE AND HAS A LOT OF SUBSTANTIAL CHARACTERISTICS IN COMMON

I DON'T LIKE THAT STUFF BECAUSE IT'S A LABEL AN AUTHORITY PUTS ON SOMETHING AND I'M DESPERATE TO FIT IN TO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, AND CLING TO ANY AUTHORITY THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO ME

I CHOOSE WHAT I LIKE BASED ON RATION CRITERIA, NOT ON WHAT AN AUTHORITY TELLS ME I LIKE

[Anonymous No.8763966]

>>8763960
Autism speaks

[Anonymous No.8763971]

>>8763950
pretty sure more than one person is capable of spotting this obvious joke.

you are brainless as fuck

[Anonymous No.8763974]

>>8763966
>le meme
>epic rebuttal

[Anonymous No.8763981]

Got given this as a present.
Anyone read it? Is it worth reading?

[Anonymous No.8763985]

>>8763971
Take your attitude to where it belongs.
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.8763991]

>>8763909
>There's absolutely nothing of his personal experience in those books.

[Anonymous No.8763994]

>>8763974
>make a shitty bait post
>demand to be taken seriously

Fuck off

[Anonymous No.8763995]

>>8763985
take your shitty thread where it belongs

[Anonymous No.8764003]

>>8763995
Not my thread, but this thread is exactly where it's supposed to be, otherwise the previous ones would have been deleted by the mods.

[Anonymous No.8764006]

>>8763994
>calling post bait
>responding to it
>proving you read the entire thing
>reading things against your interest in their entirety
>having no self respect

makes a lot of sense that you like "fantasy/scifi"

[Anonymous No.8764009]

>>8764003
exactly, the brainless animal that lets an authority tell it what books it likes by following a giant brainless label like "sci fi" or "fantasy" appeals to authority, assuming the great powerful just wise gods of moderators have looked into and substantiated the validity of scifi/fantasy as valid art and literature

just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8764024]

>>8764009
>the brainless animal that lets an authority tell it what books it likes
But we're not? We like Fantasy/Science fiction based on our own taste and views. If you have a problem with the fact that there's a general for Science Fiction & Fantasy literature, you can take that up with the mods and not scream like a manchild here. Last time I reply to you as you're just baiting me anyhow.

[Anonymous No.8764035]

>>8764024
What the fuck, you really believe you have a right not to be bullied? On the internet? On 4CHAN??? You're weak trash and you need to taste the dirt. You have no taste. You have no views. It's not a problem that I have with you. It's a problem you contribute to the community. You don't belong here. Reform your behavior and try again.

[Anonymous No.8764040]

>>8764024
>mods mods mods please help some one is making a valid criticism of things I like and I don't know what to do

[Anonymous No.8764074]

>>8763185
What's wrong with The Red Knight that requires a special place in Shit?

[Anonymous No.8764077]

>>8764074
He chart is ironic, you read it from bottom to top.

[Anonymous No.8764140]

just bought all this, what am I in for

[Anonymous No.8764147]

>>8764140
>Reynolds
A decent nap.

[Anonymous No.8764179]

>>8764147
I liked pic related, felt like a less magic version of Hyperion

[Anonymous No.8764427]

>>8764077
>>8764074
It was memed here as GRI and it has none.
It's about mercenaries who don't rape and plunder, using magic and the church in the same sentence...

It's shit. Read if you want.

[Anonymous No.8764483]

>when your sci-fi/fantasy ideas are good
>when you write them down, they seem tacky
there are SO MANY THINGS to pay attention to

[Anonymous No.8764500]

>>8764483
post 'em

[Anonymous No.8764560]

>>8764483
don't post 'em

people will steal them and jazz them up
just learn to write

[Anonymous No.8764578]

>>8764560
>>8764500
yeah i'm not going to post them, i need to try to make them into something and fail many times until i succeed. i am a decent writer, but i need to work bloody to write something that people can unanimously read and say 'yeah, this might work'. so, there is potential, i get that. but give me 10 more years until i get something published. im a mere babbi of 25.

[Anonymous No.8764595]

>>8764560
>implying SFF ideas aren't a diamond a dozen
>implying I can't dredge up twenty of them from my big txt file of ideas right now, expose them, and never see them in print because actually making the effort to write is what's rare and precious

favor cards that have been wagered and lost many times and have strange redeem values, like "the entire electrical output of the municipal plant in X city on Y date" or "five minutes and 30 seconds of philosophical debate with X person, redeemable in daylight hours EST"
televised pro jousters with outrageous theatrical displays
genetic trait of being extremely sensitive to imagined experiences, can go into shock from descriptions
fighting an enemy that has a hundred years to plan its next move for every day you experience - preserving secrets becomes vital
flawed ai with time travel is a crippled god of all the ages
people with natural alcohol veins in their skin as antifreeze - pure water will attach to some of the compounds that control the alcohol, causing them to become drunk
warriors fighting hobson's choice demons have already made their decisions for a variety of impossible dilemmas they might be forced into by flipping coins
main character woken from the dead by a minstrel's song - from a spider sac?
"technically this area is part of Hell, but it has been extensively terraformed"
using time travel and other secret marvels for the most trivial purposes
US cavalry fiefdoms in the Old West
tactical fox spirit used by jp sorcerer in WWII now worshiped as a god in New Guinea highlands
characters believe they are doppelgangers, don't mind each other using personal possessions/space/friendships
group that allows wasps to build nests in their work/living space as proof of patience and tolerance
forced into eternal life when a meddling artist paints a leaf on a wall
advantageous deformities belong to the community, becoming normal is selfish
reverse groundhog day, everyone's living the day over but you
the oppression of women throughout history was a ruse to to hide a magic ritual they were performing
extra pair of arms growing from the hips
sentient aliens that are symbiotic limbs of their mobile host, consider creatures that both move alone and act in society to be hopelessly vulgar

[Anonymous No.8764631]

>>8764595
>implying I can't dredge up twenty of them from my big txt file of ideas right now, expose them, and never see them in print because actually making the effort to write is what's rare and precious

yeah absolutely. exactly the reason why i didn't bother posting it, ideas are completely abundant and can be extracted from each vidid dream
equally, stupid ideas can make great stories
when i said there is so many things to be taken into account i meant not only the worldbuilding process, but the chracters and all those little things that make story. you need a pageturner basically and thats not done with just one or five things going on, you need subtle relationships, creation of eagerness for something, atmosphere, certain sense of the world how perceived by the characters etc etc
90/100 things submitted to publishers are im sure complete borefest

sounds harsh and kind of vapid, but in order to really make a great story, think about what is readable to you and to more demanding people than you and what would people buy
hate on GRRM's Song all you want, but you crack that Game of Thrones first book open, you think 'i could buy this'
you have great dialogue from the start, characters, insane worldbuilding, patience, hidden gems all around, consciousness of every dynamics going on

or Hyperion books. thats some good shit right there

[Anonymous No.8764643]

I just bought Nova by Samuel R. Delany. Is it good?

[Anonymous No.8764649]

>>8764631
Yeah, that's why I was asking you to post them, not because I wanted to steal them but because I wanted to make conversation. You, anon, I'm interested in you: not your face, not your name, not anything in your identity and especially not in your livelihood, but your soul, your creativity, your spark of inspiration.

[Anonymous No.8764666]

>>8763498
It's like an earlier, more scholarly Left Behind series -- Christianity meets Sci-Fi.

In the second book is about holding off the Fall on Venus, the third book is the host of Satan taking over a small British town by establishing a bureaucracy of small-minded climbers.

I am not wholly Christian and I liked it a lot, but I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea.

[Anonymous No.8764687]

>>8763798
I have a harder time with his writing as I get older, but maybe it's just because I've read most of his best books already.

[Anonymous No.8764693]

>>8764687
>I have a harder time with his writing as I get older
So did he.

[CS !ONk14TfQNk No.8764721]

>>8764595
>the oppression of women throughout history was a ruse to to hide a magic ritual they were performing

This is an interesting premise which could bring in Margaret Murray's theories about the witch trials being a Christian conspiracy to remove a fairly unified religion (a fertility venerating a mother goddess) which threatened the hegemony, not least because it was an organisation where women had a strong role; her book 'The Witch-cult In Western Europe'.

[Anonymous No.8764741]

>>8764721
>>the oppression of women throughout history was a ruse to to hide a magic ritual they were performing

Stealing mana from unsuspecting males that they deceived
It's still going on today
I will have you know no succubus will ever drain me of my mana

[Anonymous No.8764758]

>>8764741
Wife-beaters are under a spell, that's why their wives forgive them so much, and occasionally kill them.

[Anonymous No.8764766]

>>8764758

No that's just women being stupid on an enormous scale since it happens in every culture and country

[Anonymous No.8764769]

>>8764766
The conspiracy is vast and wide-spread.

[Anonymous No.8765233]

I'm now on Memories of Ice while reading Malazan Book of the Fallen and nobody told me how funny this series could be. Sure it gets really grim, but other parts are genuinely hysterical. Iskaral Pust is one of the funniest characters I've read in fantasy, ever.

[Anonymous No.8765382]

>>8763981
I always get that guy mixed up with Paul Auster (similar problem with Harlan vs. Ralph Ellison). Desu.

[Anonymous No.8765555]

>>8764649

[Anonymous No.8765732]

I want a book/series that has shit loads of magic, and is at least decent
Similar to: Magicians, Sanderson, Breeks, Sabriel, Demon Cycle

[Anonymous No.8765767]

A while back somebody was recommending urban fantasy stuff that wasn't bad, does anybody remember the list? I just got finished up with the Dresden Files books I haven't read and I'm waiting on the Chequy books from the library.

I remember there was one about a chick who was described as being "Dresden but less of a tool," and one about a police investigator (FBI maybe?) who is a witch or something.

[Anonymous No.8765792]

>>8765732
Malazan Book of the Fallen. Every other character is a mage, a god, a quasi-god, or the tool of a god, or a demon or a spirit or an undead of some kind.

[Anonymous No.8765799]

>>8765792

I read I think 4 books of it

[Anonymous No.8765916]

>>8765767
Way too fuckin vague my man.

First one could be the hollows series, but it's garbage.

[Anonymous No.8765953]

First time on the board, so not sure if I'm gonna get laughed off for asking what may be a common question.

Love LoTR, where can I get some more of that style crack?

Some more context...

I didn't like The Hobbit as much, still okay.

I've read all of ASOIAF so far except for the Winds excerpts. It's *okay* at times, a grinding chore to read at others. Too many characters out of the woodwork all the time, makes it hard to follow or care about any one of them.

Read the first two books of Discworld... mildly interesting so far. I think I'll continue them.

I love the Harry Potter series. Deep, high literature? No. But I had an awesome time reading it.

Also loved Ready Player One, but that's more sci-fi than high fantasy.

[Anonymous No.8766010]

>>8765953
Look up classic fantasy. The Worm Orobouros, The Well at World's End, The King of Elfland's Daughter. For more recent stuff try The High House, I read that last week and was pleasantly surprised at the mythopoeic mood of it. It's an epic journey across a house so huge there are countries in it.

[Anonymous No.8766131]

Is the way of kings a ruse? I'm reading it now and getting kind of worried. People were talking about it like it was another song of ice and fire or wheel of time. It kind of just seems like a bunch of awkwardly phrased videogamey shit that over explains itself so far.

[Anonymous No.8766136]

Manly Wade Wellman is pretty good so far. This wanderer in Appalachia in the '50s plays a silver-stringed guitar and whacks them hoodoo folks with it, and sings his songs before and after.

[Anonymous No.8766234]

>>8765953
the only place to get stuff like LOTR is in world mythology. he wasnt really writing novels, he was writing a world, and he comes as close as is humanly possible to creating a mythology from whole cloth. I havent read enough, but world mythology, greek especially, is where to go. norse myths, eddas, etc.

[Anonymous No.8766298]

>>8765953
ASoIaF can be viewed as a series written to be as different from Tolkien as possible. Martin set out in his crafting of it to un-romance high fantasy, to make gritty and vulgar what Tolkien had kept fairly pristine in his work. So with that in mind, there's a lot more out there to try. You've still barely read anything the genre has to offer. You can try reading older authors who were contemporary with Tolkien if you think that would be more to your liking, but I will say to not let Martin scare you off from recent fantasy.

[Anonymous No.8766314]

>>8766131
How far into it are you? I had trouble getting into it because I didn't realize who the real main character was until halfway through the book or around there. You don't even meet Kaladin until several chapters in. I also had trouble caring about the world building at first because it was fragmented and hard to see the broader picture. Simply progressing through the book made me care about Kaladin more and accumulate enough information to become interested in the hinted-at mysteries of the setting.

[Anonymous No.8766334]

>>8766314
Honestly not nearly far enough to already be complaining. As is tradition.

[Anonymous No.8766336]

>>8766314
>because it was fragmented and hard to see the broader picture

yeah i can see that. from what I remember the first few chapters feel disjointed as shit.

some random guy with ptsd talks to some old guy on a hill and talks about his cool sword, some fag in white fucks up a bunch of nameless mooks, some random soldier gets surprised and scared, some twat on a boat hopes senpai notices her.

[Anonymous No.8766353]

Why couldn't Malazan just stay Kruppe & Co. adventures

[Anonymous No.8766404]

>reading lord of the rings
>get to the fangorn forrest part
>tolkien's descriptions
>ents speak in slow voices
>dont be hasty
>in my head treebeard is speaking really slowly
>mfw this chapter is taking extra fucking long because of this
>the hobbits spend several days in the forrest waiting for ents to finish talking
>they mostly sleep and sit on treebeard while he walks
fucking end me holy shit that chapter took ages. almost as bad as "concerning hobbits".

[Anonymous No.8766406]

>>8766353
Muh epic scope.

[Anonymous No.8766475]

>>8764721
Feminism has its roots in the occult, it wasn't so much about women gaining power (they were very powerful already despite what our marxist education system teaches) but about stomping out satanism and heresy.

[Anonymous No.8766476]

>>8766404
Wait until you get to Mordor with Frodo & Sam. In the movie they're there for a day or two, if even that. In the book they walk that fucking wasteland for a whole month.

[Anonymous No.8766490]

>>8764721
Oh and it certainly wasn't a religion but black magic and other nasty shit. It seems many modern women are just like niggers and can't think outside of "muh vagina". Many of the stories about witches have foundations in reality, it wasn't about the big meanie patriarchy oppressing poor innocent defenceless womyns.

[Anonymous No.8766516]

when did /sffg/ get so /pol/?

[Anonymous No.8766536]

>>8766516

What's /pol/ about this

[Anonymous No.8766552]

>>8766404
That was actually my favourite chapter, desu.

[Anonymous No.8766562]

>>8763185

Can you add this to the chart

[Anonymous No.8766564]

>>8766475
>despite what our marxist education system teaches
>it wasn't about the big meanie patriarchy oppressing poor innocent defenceless womyns

[Anonymous No.8766652]

>>8764643
I like it. It is a bit weird though (like all his books).

[Anonymous No.8766712]

Anyone reading the Malazan books of the fallen? poor fucking beak

[CS !ONk14TfQNk No.8766788]

>>8766490
Yes, the reported animal and child sacrifices, alongside more benign things like rain-making spells. The witch cult phenomenon is nonetheless a good well for genre fiction.

I maintain that the removal of a power model, where women had a strong role, was part of the motivation for eradicating witchcraft and paganism.

Institutional Christianity has admirable aspects, nevertheless it is misogynistic (this is despite the role models in the bible e.g. Phoebe, Mary Magdalene)

Organised Christianity did a number on witches just as they did the gnostics.

[Anonymous No.8766841]

>>8766788
>nevertheless it is misogynistic
So?

[Anonymous No.8766908]

>>8766562
I only add what I read (yes, I read all those books from beginning to end).

Also stevian you are an idiot, make a goodreads author account, and shill your book there.
Say you will give a free copy to the first 20 persons who ask in exchange for a fair review(learn to use the pm system etc).

Make sure the twenty persons you choose has like 800 friends minimum (reach as many people as possible). If it's good, see people shill your book for you.

A lot of the books I read had the authors start on goodreads. You would be an idiot not to use a tool that helps you get intouch with your "fans" directly.

[Anonymous No.8766910]

This book was pretty good.
Why was Kern so autistic?

[Anonymous No.8766968]

>>8765732

[Anonymous No.8766970]

>>8765767
Not pic related by chance?

[Anonymous No.8766973]

Is there a genre specifically for a fantasy setting with science fiction technology, or is that just Science Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.8766981]

>>8766968

That tells me nothing

[Anonymous No.8766998]

I had The Stormlight Archive series recommended to me. I liked the beginning but as it went on it just got more annoying to read. Especially Shallan who I couldn't stand the more her chapters progressed.

I stopped reading halfway through the second book.

[Anonymous No.8767005]

this Koontz, Dean - Cold Fire just seems garbage. I'm so close to the end but it's just pointless

[Anonymous No.8767106]

I bought two Vonneguts: Mother Night and Jailbird year ago and haven't read them yet.
The premises don't sound too exciting. What should I expect?

[Anonymous No.8767120]

>>8767005
explain

[Anonymous No.8767158]

>>8767120
The characters changed so much from what they were in the first 4/5 parts of the book that I have no investment in them or care about what happens. The whole thing just seems silly.
Most of the book the quite good though.

[Anonymous No.8767169]

>>8766973
Dying Earth.

[Anonymous No.8767170]

>>8766998
no, don't, if you finish it you get rewarded with a Lift story

[Anonymous No.8767212]

>A terraforming robot is sent down to a semi-generic fantasy world to pave the way for its creators
>Damaged on entry, it loses its directive and is convinced by others that its completely armored body must make it a divine knight of sorts
>adventure ensues
Would you read?

[Anonymous No.8767226]

>>8766712
Beak a good boy

He dindu nuffin

[Anonymous No.8767230]

>>8766404
>>8766476
This is actually what I didn't like about Jackson's movies. Like C. Tolkien says, it's an action movie for 12-20 year olds. But "Fellowship," for instance, is 80% descriptions of them walking through the woods. In "Two Towers," the siege of Helm's Deep is like 15 pages, whereas it's the central event of the movie version.

[Anonymous No.8767232]

>>8767212
10/10 especially if it looks like this.

[Anonymous No.8767235]

>>8767212
Depends on how it was written.

[Anonymous No.8767239]

>>8767212
10/10 especially if it looks like this.

[Anonymous No.8767246]

>>8767235
Here's the opening

http://pastebin.com/rEScwmP4

[Anonymous No.8767251]

>>8766788
>misogynistic
That's not a real word. Might as well say it is Xphobic and Xist too because none of those marxist buzzwords mean anything.

[Anonymous No.8767294]

>>8767251
In context it's meaningful; e.g. "mysogynistic" is understood to mean "departs from the Party's teachings in respect to women."

[Anonymous No.8767295]

>>8767230
Same for me, the comfy parts was what I liked the most about the books. They take you on a journey through this ancient and wondrous world that's unlike anything else and the films turned that into nonstop action fests.

[Anonymous No.8767315]

>>8767295
>ywn see a low fantasy adaptation of LotR
>ywn see the spooky parts adapted to be terrifying because of the ideas behind them, not because the Nazgul move slow
>ywn see Sam portrayed as a proper servant, not just a stupid friend
>ywn see Gandalf portrayed as a wretched-looking traveler you could believe Theodon wouldn't trust
>ywn see Gollum portrayed as a perversion of all good things that steals babies from cradles

[Anonymous No.8767320]

>>8767239
>not making it an Asimo

[Anonymous No.8767327]

>>8767315
That's not a video game cutscene. It's a scene from Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies.

[Anonymous No.8767331]

>>8767327
I think Anon knew that and was making a joke.

[Anonymous No.8767335]

>>8767331
And the joke went over my head. Like always. Sigh.

[Anonymous No.8767354]

>>8766981
The ones with the gold star.
If you don't have a problem with female authors you will be fine.

[Anonymous No.8767357]

>>8766973
Iron Dragon's daughter, Cogweaver Trilogy

[Anonymous No.8767382]

>>8767320
Name of anime?
I downloaded the clip and looked in media information. Nothing.

[Anonymous No.8767386]

>>8767212
KINMUNE

[Anonymous No.8767402]

>>8767382
Sora wo Kakeru Shoujo. Crazy fun for the first 8-10 eps and a hot mess after that.

[Anonymous No.8767479]

>>8767402
>Sora wo Kakeru Shoujo
is it some new anime?
There is not batch download on torrent sites.

[Anonymous No.8767484]

>>8767315
The Lord of the Rings would ideally be directed by a resurrected Andrei Tarkovsky, I doubt any contemporary directors could give it the weight it needs.

[Anonymous No.8767507]

>>8767294
I don't think even that is truly the case, as it is used it has nothing to do with anyone's views on women. It's pretty much used as pejorative, a less vulgar alternative to calling someone an asshole.

[Anonymous No.8767536]

>>8766998
I can understand, people say this is where that ginger whore becomes a better character but i still want too feed her to a chasmfiend whenever she opens her mouth.


>>8767170
ya cheeky cunt.

having just forced my way through said story, it's wasn't as horrible as I thought it would be. you get to see what some characters from the last book are up to and you get some insight into the ADHD riddled annoying street rat. She's not all that bad when she shuts her mouth and becomes all introspective and shit. unfortunately she tends to ruin that when she opens her mouth and begins speaking out loud again.

I hope she meets the main cast at some point, otherwise i can't see myself caring all that much about her story, even if she does end up playing bigger part in some future book.

[Anonymous No.8767547]

this is a real piece of shit if anybody was wondering

[Anonymous No.8767593]

>>8766010
>>8766234

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely check out some stuff from around the same period as Tolkien. The High House sounds interesting too.

>>8766298

Understood, and the gritty nature of ASOIAF definitely didn't turn me off, just more the deluge of plotlines and characters that makes it hard to follow unless you keep notes along the way. Or maybe I'm just not that good at comprehension, who knows. The grandiose worldbuilding I really liked though, which is another reason I think Discworld is interesting so far... silly as it is. Definitely true I've barely scratched the surface... is there something in recent fantasy that you'd recommend?

[Anonymous No.8767601]

>>8767536
>still want too feed her to a chasmfiend whenever she opens her mouth.
Same. Or have her raped

[Anonymous No.8767655]

Okay you nerds
I'm gonna start Prince of Thorns. Don't let me down

[Anonymous No.8767666]

>>8767655
It is shit.

[Anonymous No.8767702]

>>8763142
Neil gamain is shit tier garbage you pleb

[Anonymous No.8767712]

If i looked for fantasy stuff with an early medievalish dark, romantic (in its original meaning, nit lovey dovey), mystic feeling which focuses on description and atmosphere with minstrous descriptions and endless epithets what is the closest thing youd recommend bois

[Anonymous No.8767744]

>>8767712
The Worm Orobouros, King of Elfland's Daughter, The Broken Sword, Conan shorts.

[Anonymous No.8767770]

>>8767744
Ive read conan and they and their style are ok, but a bit too much bare skin sexy people and general clichee alphaness and a bit too few tragic romantic depth of character, meaningful loss and contemplation

[Anonymous No.8767776]

>>8767712
Maybe you ought to disregard contemporary authors and read the real deal instead? High medieval literature is pretty great.

[Anonymous No.8767791]

>>8767776
Are medieval knight and myth books good
Ive read a page or 2 of kalevala translation and it gave me a huge literary boner, there is just something so beautiful in versed works

[Anonymous No.8767812]

>>8767791
>Are medieval knight and myth books good
Yeah, I'm not sure what to recommend you to start with though. There's a huge wealth of incredibly good books to read in the field. If you're an European you might also want to start with something in your language, the french works for example benefit from their native tongue.

[Anonymous No.8767821]

>>8767712
Coldfire series
If you can pass on "dark" then The Once And Future king

[Anonymous No.8767823]

>>8767812
Whar we know of Slavic medieval literature is shit, whats good of it was lost with time sadly

[Anonymous No.8767842]

>>8767744

[Anonymous No.8767854]

What are some good sff books from the last 6 months?

[Anonymous No.8767855]

>>8767842
Hobbit>>>>>>>lotr

[Anonymous No.8767862]

>>8767712
Witcher books?
They even muse in the poetic

[Anonymous No.8767866]

>>8767842
reported

[Anonymous No.8767868]

>>8767854
GRI APPROVED?

[Anonymous No.8767869]

>>8767854
There have been no good sff books in decades.

[Anonymous No.8767876]

>>8767868
No

>>8767869
see
>>8767842

[Anonymous No.8767877]

>>8767866
Que?
Announcing a report is a reportable offense, redshit scum...

[Anonymous No.8767881]

>>8767842
Are dinosaurs an euphemism for white men in this context?

[Anonymous No.8767883]

>>8767877
your report of my report has also been reported

[Anonymous No.8767891]

>>8767883
Did I say I reported you? I was just letting you know the rules newfag. If you want to report antidino anon, do so but announcing it will just get you banned(which is good, newfags need to die).

[Anonymous No.8767896]

>>8767842
Gormenghast is fucking dank

[Anonymous No.8767897]

>>8763185
Seveneves was good you plebeian.

[Anonymous No.8767899]

>>8767881
Naw just grandpas who are stubbornly stuck in their ways and don't want to change.
They expect the world to change to suit them.

[Anonymous No.8767903]

>>8767842
Dinosaurs writes the best books you know, it's not their fault the current batch of authors are so bad.

[Anonymous No.8767905]

>>8767842
FUCKKKKK the dinoanon is back

[Anonymous No.8767906]

Got anything coming of age with a young male protagonist released this year?

I love a good adventure coming of age and I have a long flight tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.8767909]

>>8767896

[Anonymous No.8767912]

>>8767906
The last Red Rising book was released this year.

[Anonymous No.8767919]

>>8767912
If I wanted to read Hunger Games in Space I would, anon.

[Anonymous No.8767920]

>>8767919
But it isn't.

[Anonymous No.8767923]

>>8767899
Well, I like change just fine but only when it is for the better. Science fiction has become a dumping ground for a shit tier ideology instead of a place to explore ideas and fantasy has become a worse commercial trash heap than the pulp genre ever was.

[Anonymous No.8767925]

>>8767903
Some dinosaurs are good, I don't argue that point. It's the people that act all snobbish and behave like we should read dino /lit/, and dino/lit/ alone.

I read both new and old, there is bad and good from both eras. Dinosaurs delude themselves and try to mislead others that everything dino is good and sacred.

[Anonymous No.8767933]

>>8767920
The first book was so unbelievably cringy.

>person whose people were bred for manual labor for generations
>is somehow a genius savant
>is somehow super good at everything he does
>is somehow able to be a perfect actor
>is somehow able to be a perfect military strategist

It was the most ridiculous thing.

[Anonymous No.8767936]

>>8767897
No it wasn't.
You probably like delta V's and anything hard in your sci-fi. When I read sci-fi I want the futuristic and fantastical, not current day science BUT IN SPACE!!

[Anonymous No.8767940]

>>8767936
It was futuristic and fantastical. The problem you have with it was that it made you think a little bit and it hurt your brain.

It's fine to admit it, anon. No one will judge.

[Anonymous No.8767945]

>>8767936
>He doesn't like his science fiction hard

[Anonymous No.8767956]

>>8767933
You do know that they uploaded a shit load of books on war, strategy and literature to his brain right?...

The only reason the resistance took him was because of his reasoning, and anyone knows you don't need an education to reason shit if you are observant enough.

You sound like one of those faggets who reas 100 pages and feel they are THE authority when it comes to that book.
kys

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.8767962]

Daily reminder this is a literature board. Science Fiction and Fantasy do not classify as literature. Please take such subjects to reddit or /b/.

[Anonymous No.8767963]

>>8767956
>they uploaded a shit load of books into his brain

Laziest plot device ever used by literature.

Also, slave labor doesn't need reasoning. But please, keep defending the mary sue self-insert.

[Anonymous No.8767966]

>>8767962
Go back to your containment thread cunt.

[Anonymous No.8767969]

>>8767962
Daily reminder that "literary fiction" is totally dead and solely the purview of pretentious undergrad kids who want to be Jack Kerouac

[Anonymous No.8767972]

>>8767940
What's futuristic about it? The first half was current day earth. The second half is current day earth with clones and machines that uses current tech to be specialized.

The futuristic I want is human modifications, and robotic integration.

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.8767974]

>>8767969
>>8767966
Daily reminder that you're virgins.

[Anonymous No.8767976]

>>8767945
>martian fag
No wonder.

[Anonymous No.8767995]

>>8767962
One ban wasn't good enough for you I see....

[Anonymous No.8768002]

>>8767963
I see you didn't touch the part about you only reading 100 pages.

You just outed yourself kunt

[Anonymous No.8768007]

>>8767976
Kek

[Anonymous No.8768032]

Anyone got any good book recommendations?

So far I've finished:
>WoT
>ASoIaF
>Enders game saga
>Hyperion Cantos
>The first Dune, got bored halfway through the 2nd and gave up

Other than that I've basically read no other fantasy/sci-fi

[Anonymous No.8768034]

>>8768032
Read the OP?

[Anonymous No.8768038]

>>8768032
Expase series
Alastair Reynolds
Branny Sanderson

[Anonymous No.8768043]

>>8768032
Tolkien, Gene Wolfe, Robert. E. Howard are all must read authors. You should be more specific in your request though. What sort of stories are you after?
>>8768038
This anon is trying to ruse you, just so you know. Sanderson is garbage, as is the Expanse series. Reynolds is mediocre.

[Anonymous No.8768049]

How about books with dragons as main characters?

[Anonymous No.8768064]

>>8768043
This post is the real troll.

[Anonymous No.8768115]

>>8767933
The Reds were bred for manual labor and accidentally selected for quick wits and sharp thinking, especially because their generations were so short. They're still on average way dumber than the Golds, which is why Darrow feels so disconnected from the Reds when he goes back.

Also he sucks at military strategy, he only wins when he charms people that are good at it.

[Anonymous No.8768118]

>>8767936
>you probably like science in your science fiction

[Anonymous No.8768237]

And then I was like YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.8768252]

Any fantasy that doesn't feel so Tolkienien? I loved the "new weird" shit China Mieville threw together, even if his politics are occasionally heavy handed.

[Anonymous No.8768256]

>>8768043

[Anonymous No.8768272]

>>8768032
Check chart >>8763185

>>8768049
They are usually shit, if you like dragons with gold hoarding tendencies check goodreads with the Dragon tag.

[Anonymous No.8768286]

>>8768252
>Any fantasy that doesn't feel so Tolkienien?
It's funny because I have the opposite problem, there's nothing else quite like Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.8768308]

>>8768286
I just end up getting wowed by fantasy worlds that are, unfortunately, outside fantasy novels. I'm significantly more intrigued by the implications behind a setting like
>Dark Souls
Or any of the random weebshit anime that are all style over substance. They hint at interesting worlds, but they're usually lacking under that vibrant coat of paint.

Fantasy novels, on the other hand, seem to do very little in the way of vibrancy with their settings. A lot of them are low-magic medieval worlds with some slightly different additions to make it _just_ set apart from GoT or LotR by a few inches.

I usually find the characters in novels are more engaging, but the world is often lackluster. Call me an autist, but what's the point in making a fantasy world, rooted in the FANTASTICAL, if you're just going to ape another author's concepts without trying to put your own spin on it?

[Anonymous No.8768321]

>>8768252
The Library at Mount Char
>>8768286
The Buried Giant

[Anonymous No.8768328]

>>8768321
Read Library earlier this year. Was pretty comfy.

[Anonymous No.8768359]

thanks for recommending Lord of Light a few months back, finally came around reading it, read it in 2 sessions.

>>8766010
>The High House
>It's an epic journey across a house so huge there are countries in it.

that sounds interesting

[Anonymous No.8768402]

>>8768359
Yeah, I was surprised at how short Lord of Light was on a reread. And how stylin'. If you want a more concentrated shot of Zelazny's wacky tobacky try Creatures of Light and Darkness.

[Anonymous No.8768419]

>>8768252
Jeff Vandermeer and M. John Harrison are from the same general movement as Mieville, maybe give them a look

[Anonymous No.8768475]

>>8767479
Not the other anon but it's pretty old actually, pre-2010 I think. I got a BD batch from the group coalgirls a while back off bakabt.

[Anonymous No.8768482]

>>8767536
Glad other people feel this way. I'll wait until the next book comes out and see if she becomes more likable. I don't want to invest time in a book while I despite a main character that I'm supposed to like.

And I hope Sanderson doesn't focus too much on romance. If there is one thing I seriously dislike in Fantasy stories, it's love triangles.

[Anonymous No.8768529]

>>8768321
>The Buried Giant
Alright anon. I loved Library at mount char, so I will give a shekel to buried giant.

[Anonymous No.8768532]

>raised an eyebrow

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.8768535]

Be honest with me boys, is Wheel of Time worth reading?

[Anonymous No.8768539]

Just finished this. Wonder if anyone wants to talk about it with me.

So everyone though Moore was crazy, but he wasn't. It was his son, it his son was talking to his other hemisphere right? That was why he kept saying "imagine you are Siri". So he didn't deserve to die. He wasn't being controlled at all. Am I getting this right?

Why did they land at heaven?

What was the importance of the echopraxia bug? Was it the bicamerals starting their super hive-mind plan?

So the aliens in Blindsight considered the thoughts of man kind to be a virus, which the bicamerals agreed with. A glitch in god's universe. So 'god' sent the Portia to fix it and the bicamerals carried out his plan to get bruks infected. Not to wipe out life but just sentience.

Lots of other questions but maybe this could be a start if anyone has any thoughts. I don't know if spoilers are necessary or if everyone has already read this.

[Anonymous No.8768573]

>>8768535
Probably not, it's pretty generic and VERY long. You could read 15 standalone novels or 100+ short stories with unique, interesting premises in that amount of pages.

[Anonymous No.8768575]

>>8768535
Honestly it varies form person to person. If you aren't feeling the plot or characters by a certain point, it's probably best if you don't waste all that time reading through them. And even if you do like it, there are some parts that feel like a chore to read.

[Anonymous No.8768578]

>>8768359
>The High House
>It's an epic journey across a house so huge there are countries in it.

I wonder if this is where the house of blades anime in prose got the idea from.

Where are you house of blades anon, I know you are here.

[Anonymous No.8768580]

>>8768535
No because it was ruined by a Mormon hack SHIT

[Anonymous No.8768596]

>>8768535
No.

[Anonymous No.8768694]

>>8768475
>bakabt.
I'm already in a private tracker for books, not going into one for anime.

I found one but Its 31gb.. I assume that is the one of which you speak?

[Anonymous No.8768699]

Was constantly recommended Kingkiller Chronicles, finally read it fucking hated it. The main character is an annoying Gary Stu who can do everything and anything, and that Denna slut he constantly goes full retard over is even worse. Why is this shit considered "good" fantasy?

With all the praise it got, I was expecting something somewhat decent. It had a strong opening, I'll give it that. But afterwards it just comes tumbling down.

[Anonymous No.8768733]

>>8768694
Not him, but bakabt is super chill, nonmembers are allowed to download torrents.

[Anonymous No.8768739]

>>8768699
>I focused my alar

[Anonymous No.8768746]

>>8768699
You haven't even gotten to the part where Kvothe sluts himself out to a magic elf queen for the entirety of WMF

[Anonymous No.8768770]

>>8768733
Thanks getting the 480p torrent... why did they have to have flac audio in the 720p version? It made it xbox huge for something I was gonna watch then dump.

[Anonymous No.8768776]

What does this board think about litrpg and does anybody have any good recommendations?

[Anonymous No.8768816]

Has anybody read Neuropath by Scott Bakker? Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.8768831]

>>8768535

Read Malazan instead

[Anonymous No.8768899]

>>8768776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kult_(role-playing_game)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Cthulhu_(role-playing_game)

[Anonymous No.8769219]

>>8768776
There is not a single one that isn't blatant wish fulfillment

Also so much Russian garbage

[Anonymous No.8769238]

Where do I start with Warhammer 40k

[Anonymous No.8769334]

>>8768694
BakaBT isn't a real private tracker. Anyone can use it and there's no application or interview process, you just sign up and verify your email. There's also no real seeding requirements. I have an appalling ratio and I still haven't been cut off yet.

All having an account does is allow you to search the torrents on the site. If you're not a member you can easily circumvent this by just searching "[anime name] bakabt" and it should come up on google no problem.

Also they do use a whitelist for torrent clients, but if you're in a private tracker your client is probably okay.

[Anonymous No.8769352]

>>8768770
Was it coalgirls? Their encodes are notorious for being bloated.

[Anonymous No.8769363]

>>8769352
Yea. BD rip, with flac audio... for an anime...

[Anonymous No.8769366]

>>8768535
Yes. It's a great series.

[Anonymous No.8769406]

I have such a hard time settling when it comes to creating a single, consistent work. I just ping-pong so hard, even though I know I could always go back to an idea after I've finished one up, it's agonizing.

What do you guys do to finally settle on something? I just look at all my works and scoff, knowing they won't measure up to the things that I've already genuinely loved, and even if they aren't supposed to, I always ask myself - why bother, then?

I just want to create something that two idiots will argue over on the internet one day.

[Anonymous No.8769411]

>>8769363
That's pretty standard actually, has been for like 7 years now. The English fansubbing community encourages high quality releases, especially those groups affiliated with the cartel but not only them.

[Anonymous No.8769440]

>>8769411
>The English fansubbing community encourages high quality releases, especially those groups affiliated with the cartel
that sounds really weird to someone unfamiliar with all that shit, like me.

[Anonymous No.8769452]

I like Sanderson recommend me more like him.

[Anonymous No.8769459]

>>8769452
no.

[Anonymous No.8769463]

>>8769459
c'mon buddy

[Anonymous No.8769481]

>>8769463
Well okay: He's never written anything good, so don't read any Sanderson. There are better ways to waste your time.

[Anonymous No.8769490]

>>8769481
then tell me some anon

[Anonymous No.8769505]

>>8769411
High quality video? yea. Lossless audio? No.

I don't need to hear some Asian woman in her late 30's moan like a 10 year old when senpai enters her special place.

[Anonymous No.8769508]

Halfway through the Great Hunt. All those goobers who said I'd never finish are starting to feel pretty stupid now I bet.

[Anonymous No.8769516]

>>8769505
Lossless audio has been used for ages too, but it definitely used to be less common than it is now. Apparently lossless audio was in demand and people really like the releases that used it, so now everybody is doing it.

[Anonymous No.8769519]

>>8769508
How are you liking it?
t. goober.

[Anonymous No.8769535]

>>8769452
Sanderson you say?

[Anonymous No.8769591]

>>8769516
If it's something I am storing? Sure.
If it's the watch and dump that I am preparing? No

It's just more unwanted gigs. When there isn't plenty seeders, every gig counts. You don't know if the one person you are leeching from at 90kb/s is going to turn off his system for a whole month.

I remember this happening in 06? 07? with MUGEN, there was only one guy, and when he left it took a month b4 he came back. Luckily for me when I see things Like that I make all the important files a priority.

[Anonymous No.8769748]

>>8768699
>>8768746
Or the part where Kvothe says his entire culture is shit and wants to live just like the black-skinned mud hut dwellers.

[Anonymous No.8769781]

>>8769591
Bakabt always has plenty of seeders. I don't know why they do it.

[Anonymous No.8769784]

>>8769406
Don't tell yourself "I am officially giving up this work and focusing on another one." Tell yourself "I am less interested in this work, so I will allow it time to settle in my mind while I do other things. I will return to it and reap the benefits of this fallow time."

Also focus on short stories.

[Anonymous No.8769785]

Why is this website so based?

http://fantasynamegenerators.com/

[Anonymous No.8769787]

>>8769452
Brian McClellan was personally trained at Sanderson's remote mountain dojo to become a master of gimmicky magic systems and uncanny valley political drama.

[Anonymous No.8769788]

>>8769508
More like the Great Cunt

[Anonymous No.8769797]

>protagonist is in a bit of a pickle
>genuinely concerned with how he's going to get out
>oh, we're only halfway through the book, guess he's going to get out of this by -
>he fucking dies
Any other books where this shit happens, /sffg/? Because holy fuck is it incredible.

[Anonymous No.8769799]

>>8763185
I remember reading Something From the Nightside when I was younger, it seemed really cool back then. Found it recently at the store and was depressed at how bad it was. Cool idea, really shit execution.

I'm worried now that all of the books I read were just as bad, and I never realized it.

[Anonymous No.8769801]

interesting
https://iamvampirenovel.com/

[Anonymous No.8769803]

>>8769591
Well, bakabt isn't really intended for you then. Their stated purpose is to archive the best quality batches out of 3-4 categories (usually SD, 720p, and 1080p). That's why they jumped on 10bit h264 so early, even though decoder support is lacking.

[Anonymous No.8769812]

>>8769797
Every Call of Duty since Modern Warfare

[Anonymous No.8769820]

>>8769785
>Ufiokar Umbra
>Dizius Nightshade
>Priokai Blackhand
>Wecular the Constructed
>Drudhur the Animated
>Haegan the Living
>Xezar the Risen
>Apezar the Undertaker
>Wugan Grimm
>Yeidum Onyx
These are so bad...

[Anonymous No.8769831]

>>8769820
It's meant to be a starting point.

[Anonymous No.8769835]

>>8769801
What is the memeing of this?
>>8769793

[Anonymous No.8769871]

/sffg/, my most ambitious story yet is more than half way done, but I'm afraid to show it to my friends because the last time I showed it to someone – my mom – she didn't like it and thought I was affecting a writing style

what do?

[Anonymous No.8769965]

>>8769871
You just have to man up and show it to them, if you can't even take criticism from your friends then how do you expect to handle it in the business? It might be hard but whether they like it, dislike it or find it amusing you need outside opinions unless you write for masturbatory purposes.

[Anonymous No.8770007]

>>8769871
Show it to random people on the internet first. They'll tell you if it's shit or not.

[Anonymous No.8770023]

>>8770007
but I want it published.

also, the only place to put it is here on /lit/ whose tastes don't line up with the rest of society, or me for that matter.

[Anonymous No.8770039]

>>8770023
there's always r/fantasy

[Anonymous No.8770055]

>>8769591
A lot of the people who use BakaBT are looking for series to archive though. That's why they specifically only upload what they consider the highest quality releases. Nyaa is probably a better bet if you want a leaner release. AB actually has a better selection than BakaBT or Nyaa, but it's a real deal private tracker and you're not interested in joining.

[Anonymous No.8770433]

>>8770055
The cat torrent was dead(no seeds for that particular anime) that is how I ended up in baka.
Well.. there was one seeder for the 32gb 1080p version... but who got time for that?

[Anonymous No.8770435]

>>8770039
Now thats just mean
Even for lit

[Anonymous No.8770441]

>>8768539
Ah I've been waiting for this conversation for weeks.

Addressing your points one at a time.


On Moore, that's certainly one interpretation. The theory I came up with was that his was receiving Siri's messages (AKA the entirety of Blindsight) at the start, but over time he either went mad (through Portia), or Rorschach survived and was broadcasting further messages to bend Moore to its will. Another idea I had later was that Siri and the rest of the crew were killed instantly upon engaging Rorschach, and that Siri's messages/Blindsight were just an illusion to fool Earth into thinking Rorschach was destroyed/mindwash Moore.

I don't think they landed in Heaven, but Bruks went onto the Internet/Splinternet and accessed Heaven from there. Didn't they land in a defunct combat flotilla thing?

The Echopraxia bug didn't really fit into the story with me. It seemed like a very late name drop, as opposed to a relevant part of the story like with blindsight in, well, Blindsight. I suppose religion, the theme of the book, is all about mimicking others without a choice, but the importance of the actual infection which caused the dancing soldiers was lost on me. Maybe it'll clear up with re-reading.

Your last section clashes with my opinions I drew from the novel. Yes, the Rorschach aliens considered humanity a virus. I don't know if the Bicamerals agreed with this.. To them I think "God" was the glitch/virus, and the rest of the "digital universe" was simply reality. Watts himself describes "viral deities" in his notes and references section. God was on the side of entropy, away from life. Valarie wanted to "get along" with god, but couldn't, because she was life and therefore against entropy (I distinctly remember the section detailing how life slowed down entropy).

You've really confused me because at time of reading I really thought Portia was sent down by Rorschach to eliminate Icarus, but now I'm thinking completely differently. It's obvious that The Bicamerals/Vampires/Other non-consciousnesses are on the same team as Rorschach, but against what? Against Portia/"God"? Where does that leave humans? Simply a transition state for the non-conscious Earth populace? I remember that Blindsight for sure but it's been a while. I might do a diagram.

Fuck sake now I will have to reread them both.

[Anonymous No.8770446]

>>8769801
worst cover art I have ever seen

[Anonymous No.8770729]

>>8770441

Wrong

[Anonymous No.8770879]

>>8770441
We'll shit son. I think I will definitely have to read Blindsight again. Also going to look up some interviews with watts. I am excited to hear there might be another book.

The intentions of Portia are definitely confusing. I have to go back and read that whole action scene again. Portia lashed out after Valerie attacked? If the whole thing was gods plan then Portia wanted Moore to destroy Icarus as well as come back to earth?

>>8770729
Wowee thanks for the fascinating input.

[Anonymous No.8770957]

>>8770729
Problem is I have this exact thought all the goddamn time. The scale of Watt's work is lost on me a lot of the time, to the point where it was only when I saw scramblers and Rorschach concept art on rifters.com that I realized how wrong the mental images I had were. I think it's a testament to his skill but we'll see.

>>8770879
Another idea I had was Portia could have been bought along by Rorschach by accident, but that's a little convoluted. I too and thrilled to hear of another book, if you find any links post 'em.

[Anonymous No.8770967]

Do you guys know of any Fantasy books that pulled off the whole
>The Antagonist won the battle, the Heroes lost, and the world changed because of it, but the war is not over.
deal quite well? I really wanna research and see some examples of it done both well and poorly for a project of mine.

[Anonymous No.8770976]

>>8770441
Echo was originally called State of Grace, the name was changed due to marketing concerns. Look up Watts reddit AMAs, he explains a lot of the more esoteric stuff.

[Anonymous No.8770977]

>>8770967
Isn't that Mistborn?

[Anonymous No.8770979]

>>8770957
I am very interested in the world after the two books. At the end of Blindsight siri picked up that music that didn't sound right, I always assumed it was vampire music, that they had taken over, but what if it was some sort of trance like music from a hive mind. I wonder how long after the end of echopraxia Siri picked it up

I was thinking of picking up some of his other books. You read any of them?

[Anonymous No.8771002]

>>8770979
I'm a different guy (>>8770976), but Starfish is very good. It's much easier to understand and doesn't have as many "wowee" ideas as Blind/Echo, but it's good. Maelstrom is worse but still readable. Behemoth is pretty bad, don't bother with it unless you really need to know how things end. It's probably Watts' edgiest.

His The Things and Island/Giants short stories are extremely good, and The Colonel is set in the Blindsight universe, but it didn't leave much of an impression on me. I can't remember if I read any other of his shorts.

I'd also recommend looking up a Let's Play of the game SOMA. Watts wasn't involved, but it's very similar tonally and thematically to his work, and it's very well written. It's about an underwater research station that houses the last of humanity after the surface world is destroyed by a projectile impact.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SF_Book_Club/comments/2hzpmt/echopraxia_qa_questions_fended_off_by_peter_watts/

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2enwks/iama_science_fiction_author_named_peter_watts_i/

[Anonymous No.8771068]

>>8771002
Thanks man. I will look into all of that.

I have the most important questions now though.
1. Would you go to heaven? Seems like a neet godsend. I can't remember if they have to pay for it or if you pay by letting them use some of your brainpower or something.
2. Would you fuck Valerie?

[Anonymous No.8771098]

ITT: The only fans of Watts in the entire world conglomerate.

>>8771002
>>8771068
Yeah starfish rocked. Haven't read the other two, but may.

Currently awaiting Beyond the Rift to arrive, and I highly recommend his fiblets on rifters.com/crawl/. Just select "fiblet" from the dropdown on the right.

Thanks for AMA links I will certainly read through them.

1. I would never go to heaven. That kind of stuff would spell the end of a utopia. I actually wrote a little story about a similar idea.
2. Not sure, but when she kissed Bruks I was incredibly thrown.

[Anonymous No.8771105]

>post yfw Martin dies on December 30 2016

[Anonymous No.8771117]

>>8771105

[Anonymous No.8771178]

>>8770967
The anime wizard battles of Mistborn.

[Anonymous No.8771252]

>>8771105
Martin who?

[Anonymous No.8771269]

>>8771252
Gorge

[Anonymous No.8771305]

>>8771269
Gurm? He's already dead, he just doesn't know it yet.

[Anonymous No.8771396]

Found this book a week ago at my local used bookstore
Pretty entertaining read. Author apparently mirrored a D&D campaign he and his friends did

[Anonymous No.8771408]

>>8767315
Casual reminder that Tolkien wrote LotR for academic and cultural purposes. He hated the fandom even back in the 60's, when people were dressing up as elves and hobbits at conventions.

Also,
>pic related
it could have been worse

[Anonymous No.8771428]

>>8771408
Tolkien was a good man.

[Anonymous No.8771523]

>>8771408
Yeah I know, don't they use (used to?) his books to teach english in american highschools or some shit just as in Italy they had kids reading The Divine Comedy, maybe I'm wrong but to my ignorance, they had Tolkiens´ books in schools.

[Anonymous No.8771538]

>>8769452
RIP Fidel Cashflow
>that perfectly rolled blunt tho

[Anonymous No.8771619]

>>8771002
Do you know where to find 'The Island and other stories' ?

There are lots of links but they are all dead, and I cba to download all of them on their own then convert and deal with errors.

[Anonymous No.8771633]

>>8771619
Nevermind I literally found it just after posting

http://avidreaders.ru/book/the-island-and-other-stories.html

[Anonymous No.8771670]

>>8771523
In English we have more than one classic so we teach different ones at different schools.

[Anonymous No.8771671]

>>8771633
Are there any sites like this for English?

[Anonymous No.8771717]

>>8767903
>sadrexos.jpg

>>8767925
Yeah, I hate that too, I feel you in a non-homosexual way anon.

[Anonymous No.8771783]

>>8767925
>It's the people that act all snobbish and behave like we should read dino /lit/, and dino/lit/ alone.
Who? That literally never happens. It's just the one anon posting his crappy OC whenever someone mentions an old book.

[Anonymous No.8771799]

>>8771671
There are lots of places to get public domain books. That site seems strange though. It looks like pirate stuff. If so I guess only russia can be so blatant.

bookzz and libgen for us

[Anonymous No.8771836]

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[Anonymous No.8771841]

>>8771105
At this point I wouldn't care just so I could get on with my life and stop waiting on a myabe.

[Anonymous No.8771877]

>>8771670
Oh yeah it is true, in my shitty thirdworld school they didn't encourage me to read anything besides schoolbooks. I read a lot because my dad was a writter and I looked up to him, in my country is Pedro Paramo the book that they use.