/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.8751083]

Fantasy
>Beginner's Guide to Fantasy:
>https://i.imgur.com/fOGNfWK.jpg
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
>Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg

Science Fiction
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/IBs9KE8.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg
>NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://i.imgur.com/IJxTQBL.jpg

Previous Thread: >>8742624

[Anonymous No.8751125]

I love Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy

[Anonymous No.8751130]

Is Zelazny worth diving into?

[Anonymous No.8751146]

>>8751125
good post

[Anonymous No.8751157]

>>8751130
not read it but it looks interesting from the wiki
how about you tell me

[Anonymous No.8751180]

>>8751083
Stevian, we have to srop doing these things.

[Anonymous No.8751186]

>>8751125
Elaborate? I saw it on the "okay" tier and decided to not read it

[Anonymous No.8751198]

>>8751083
Is that the book where the opening line goes "Only one enemy remained, two if you count God." ?

[Anonymous No.8751212]

>>8751186
I love the way Hobb's writes and enjoyed the story of Fitz's life. Her take on an assassin is really interesting though I would doubt it's unique. Most of everything, more then most of whatever is in those three books was incredibly well done or thought out/designed.
There were things that I didn't like but I don't want to say anything that could be spoilers. I think his life even continues in another trilogy later on.

Now that I've said how great it is, I don't believe you should read it. Walking into something with such high expectations often ruins it.

[Anonymous No.8751214]

WHAT DO YOU SEE ?

[Anonymous No.8751240]

>>8751214

[Anonymous No.8751247]

>>8751240
OUR GUY

[Anonymous No.8751325]

>>8751180

Who's Stevian?

[Anonymous No.8751327]

>>8751214
Andy Dick's ugly brother

[Anonymous No.8751350]

>>8751247

Literally (OUR GUY)

[Anonymous No.8751364]

Did we ever answer the age old dark souls question?

[Anonymous No.8751367]

>>8751364

Yes

[Anonymous No.8751368]

>>8751364
What was it?

[Anonymous No.8751573]

Don't worry guys, my anime in prose science fantasy with philosophical themes will put /sffg/ on the map.

[Anonymous No.8751576]

>>8751573
Not if mine does first.
>implying I would ever admit a link to /sffg/
I'm not going to break my anonymity in this sacred sanctuary.

[Anonymous No.8751585]

>>8751573
>>8751576
I watch anime but really hate it in my books

[Anonymous No.8751595]

>>8751585
*raises eyebrow

[Anonymous No.8751601]

>>8751595
"Nah-Nee!?"

[Anonymous No.8751675]

QUICK

WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE TECHNOLOGY OR CONCEPT FROM A HARD SCI-FI STORY

[Anonymous No.8751700]

>>8751325
Don't play dumb. You are stevian, aka the guy who made the thread, aka the guy who wrote the book in OP's picture, ergo the shill who has unsuccessfully tried to meme us into buying his book.

[Anonymous No.8751708]

>>8751364
Yes, look in the archives we did it a bunch of times.
At least that the video game anons, and pedo anon stopped memeing.

[Anonymous No.8751713]

>>8751675
>i did this the last two threads
>now I will spam it every thread

[Anonymous No.8751730]

>>8751700

I made the thread, I am not Stevian Heartbound, I think the autist deserves some publicity since he actually finished something, I haven't read his shitty book because he hasn't provided a full ebook download of it (LOL ENJOY 300 FREE PAGES = FUCK YOU)

[Anonymous No.8751798]

>>8751730
>I haven't read his shitty book because he hasn't provided a full ebook download of it
>Giving your book out for free
Nobody is that stupid, right?

[Anonymous No.8751806]

>>8751798

If he wants people to shill his stupid book to more people and make people who enjoy his book to actually buy it then it makes sense
If it's a complete garbage book, then nobody will buy it anyway

Basically, making your book pirateable is good for business, in all aspects of media, be it tv shows, movies, video games, books, etc...

[Anonymous No.8751815]

>>8751806
So should I get published first AND then put it out there in e-book format or is it the other way around?

[Anonymous No.8751831]

>halfway through Words of Radiance
>Kaladin finds out Moash is plotting against the king
>does fuck all about it because Moash argues BRIDGE FOUR FUCK YEAH
>Kaladin is confused, asks Syl if there's different kinds of honor
>"no, only the kind I tell you to stick to"
This shit is so badly written. I need something to calm down.
>next chapter is a Shallan flashback
Kill me now.

[Anonymous No.8751861]

>>8751831
>Sanderson is garbage
>reading the second novel in a series of garbage
Why are you mad, it's like shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gun.

[Anonymous No.8751991]

I know it was the early 90's but fucking hell is The Deed of Paksenarrion a bad title.

Nobody in the book even calls her that because they recognise that the name is so long and silly.

>>8751861
>not reading stuff just so you can shit on it with accuracy

>>8751831
Sanderson would be one of the best fantasy writers ever if dialogue wasn't an essential part of storytelling

[Anonymous No.8752012]

Fuck exposition. I have the right to be puzzled.

[Anonymous No.8752017]

>>8751991
>Sanderson would be one of the best fantasy writers ever if dialogue wasn't an essential part of storytelling
What I pointed out isn't just an issue with dialogue. It's a bigger issue of characterisation. Honor is a big part of who Kaladin is but he doesn't acknowledge the treachery in Moash's actions. In the space of a few paragraphs he turned into a pushover who agrees to meet with Moash's co-conspirator just so he doesn't have to arrest his friend.

[Anonymous No.8752023]

>>8752017
Well yeah it is a characterisation issue.

I just didn't want to give him too much shit for it since it's at least readable, he's bad yet still miles better at it than Weeks or a lot of the other modern sanderson style copycats.

[Anonymous No.8752037]

>>8751815

Publish it then "leak" it
People who won't like it won't care, people who like it will either pirate it and won't buy or pirate it and buy and then will shill it for other dumb people
Stevian is a retard and will only put out "lol 300 free pages"
I won't even read that shit until I know I have all the pages

[Anonymous No.8752049]

>>8752037
This, but if you're doing a series, only make the first e-book free. The rest of them should have paywalls over them.

[Anonymous No.8752050]

I enjoyed The Last Question a lot, are there any similar books? I'm not looking for action sci-fi at all.

[Anonymous No.8752060]

Has someone compiled Worm into an ebook?

I'm not trying to read a million words on a computer screen.

[Anonymous No.8752065]

>>8752060
Just wait for the edited version.

[Anonymous No.8752066]

>>8751991
>not reading stuff just so you can shit on it with accuracy
I understand the appeal, but I've got too many actually good books to read this would be a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.8752142]

Would you stick your dick in a consult skin spy?

[Anonymous No.8752151]

How the fuck do you open the chest that contains the Horn of Valere in the WoT? I must have missed something.

[Anonymous No.8752155]

>>8752142
if i could consider it feminine and a better picture would also help
>>8752151
you probably missed something

[Anonymous No.8752158]

>>8752155
>you probably missed something

I don't think he did. It only says that Padan fain can't do it. It's implied that only a Aes Sedais can do it.

[Anonymous No.8752181]

>>8752158

I think Fain couldn't open it because Moiraine warded the box with a shitload of protections against evil shit and since Fain is basically possessed by a Lovecraftian evil god he finds it difficult to override them.

[Anonymous No.8752182]

What's the best series for totally dissacociating myself from this world and getting my mind pathetically lost in a fantastical realm?

[Anonymous No.8752188]

>>8752182
Howl's Moving Castle series by Dianna Wynne Jones

[Anonymous No.8752192]

>>8752182
The Stormlight Archive.

Don't listen to the shiters saying it's shit
It's Amazing

[Anonymous No.8752198]

>>8752017
It's about who he's honorable to. He wants to be honorable to his fellow darkeyes, Moash a good boy didn' do nuthin', but he thinks lighteyes are scum who only think about themselves. If he rats out Moash he's betraying his proud noble oppressed people and siding with the oppressor, if he doesn't he's betraying actual honor and Syl, which has consequences.

The question in WoK was, do I have honor or do I give up and die. The question in WoR is, do I have honor when I have to let people that wronged me go unpunished. And it ties in with the oath that gives him anime powers.

[Anonymous No.8752199]

What's better in your opinion for a series of books? Always better to hear others opinion on this.
>A Main Villain who is either subtle or blatantly obvious from start to finish, but it's always going to be about defeating him/her/it in the end.
>A new villain every book or two that all tie together, yet have different motives and emerge during different circumstances.
>A mix of the two with a new villain every book for the Main Character to defeat, but in the last 3 books (in a series of 7 books) it all builds up towards fighting a single villain who is the result of the past 4 villains before him/her/it.

[Anonymous No.8752205]

>>8752192

I'm 80% through WoK and I have to say it's way better than what I thought from reading these threads, but still not "amazing" tier.

It would help if Sanderson could go a little more GRI, his "war" has lots of violence but no sexual stuff whatsoever. Very American of him to be so open with blood and gore but completely clammed up on sex.

[Anonymous No.8752204]

>>8752199
Always the first or the second. They both have their place, but don't bait and switch.

[Anonymous No.8752206]

>>8752199
Depends on the book. You can't just randomly choose "I like this one the best so I put it in".

[Anonymous No.8752210]

I haven't read much fantasy in a few years (excluding favorites like Robert E. Howard and and part of A Wizard of Earthsea,) but I've been playing Witcher 3 as of late. Are the books worth giving a shot?

[Anonymous No.8752209]

>>8752205
They're fighting crab people who don't surrender.

[Anonymous No.8752215]

>>8752192
>ongoing
>2 books

please suggest another

>>8752199
Reminder there are no Villains. Everyone or everything has motive and/or reasons.

[Anonymous No.8752220]

>>8752209

I assume by "crab people" you mean the Parshendi, although they aren't described as crabs. More like humans with different skin color and skin-grown armor.

Or did you mean the chasmfiends?

[Anonymous No.8752222]

>>8752220
They're humanoids on a crab world that grow carapaces.

[Anonymous No.8752228]

>>8752205
That's one of the few complaints I have on Sanderson . I don't understand the fear some Authors have when approaching sex. It doesn't even need to be explicit, but not mysteriously implicit too.

[Anonymous No.8752232]

>>8752222
>>8752220
They're actually Voidbringers

[Anonymous No.8752233]

>>8752204
You're probably right. I'll limit myself to the two first options when it comes down to seeing what fits.

>>8752206
Fair enough. I was honestly debating between the two first options because I can't settle for something or someone who will/could be the main antagonist.

[Anonymous No.8752237]

>>8752228
That's just the spirit of the times, though. You wouldn't expect sex in a book written in 1900. You also wouldn't expect the violence to be very gory, and it isn't, very few guts and brains flying around.

[Anonymous No.8752238]

>>8752228

In his case it's probably a religious thing.

>That's one of the few complaints I have on Sanderson .

More or less. His dialogues could use some work, his characters are CONSTANTLY quipping at one another like they're all Tony Stark or something.

[Anonymous No.8752239]

>>8752228
>if they don't describe people doing it they're afraid of sex
Logical leap t b h.

[Anonymous No.8752248]

>>8752215
>Reminder there are no Villains. Everyone or everything has motive and/or reasons.

[Anonymous No.8752249]

>>8752238
>like they're all Tony Stark or something

Kek. It's funny because you're right.

>>8752239
I think that explicit sex in a book makes it cheap. You force the Author to show his intimacy whether you want it or not. What I hate is the really small hints he lays on the subject.

In Mistborn, if I recall correctly (only read the first 2 books), the closes we had to sex is something like: "She woke up naked in the tent the next day"

They fucking lived in the same house and didn't even share the same bed. It's retarded in my honest opinion.

Even in the Stormlight Archive, the relationship between The Big Boss and the Milf is childish.

[Anonymous No.8752259]

>>8752249
The line in Stormlight that's something like "And by the way, I'm courting your mother" is fucking hilarious

It's simultaneously hilariously tame and the most awfully demeaning way to speak about her possible

[Anonymous No.8752263]

>>8752182
Psstt hey kid.
Have a gander

[Anonymous No.8752267]

>>8752182
>>8752263
There is also this

[Anonymous No.8752269]

>>8752199

As long as there are prerequisites for the villains in place after the 1st book, and as long as they are proper, like their motives actually make sense instead of just "LOL IM EVIL" it will all be good.
You don't even have to announce their intentions, just give them proper motives and motivations and write around that, and that will (mostly) be enough

[Anonymous No.8752270]

>>8752263
What's Green like? I saw it mentioned somewhere else

Also in The Painted Man does the dad die quickly? I gave up because I was so bored of him being a tosser

[Anonymous No.8752271]

>>8752267
Loved ship breaker as a kid. wind up girl feels like Red Mars: aged badly.

[Anonymous No.8752273]

How does Rothfuss defend that fake troupe sex slavery arc as anything other than veritable sjw justice porn

The best part was when the manly men of the village get btfo by ginger sissy Kvothe Mcfucksalot

[Anonymous No.8752277]

>>8752205

Yeah, I know.
>War had no rape
War had shit loads of rape, or well, from the one war I read about, the women actually offered themselves to the invading forces in order to save them and their children from death or violent rape that results in rape

[Anonymous No.8752278]

>>8752259
>>8752249
>>8752239
>>8752228
>>8752238
>>8752237

At least Jordan gets ir right.

[Anonymous No.8752282]

>>8752248
>my reason for killing is that I enjoy it

[Anonymous No.8752284]

>>8752228
It's easier to ruin a book with poorly done sexual tension than it is by playing it down.

[Anonymous No.8752297]

>>8751083
Holy............... I want more........... of that book

[Anonymous No.8752301]

>>8752215
>Reminder there are no Villains. Everyone or everything has motive and/or reasons.
Coldfire has the edgiest villain imaginable and it's fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.8752310]

>>8752155
They can look like anyone you want them to

They just have a penis

[Anonymous No.8752311]

>>8752270
>painted man
no the dad cucks arlon by taking a new wife, while his wife was dieing in the next room, and by take I mean fucked.

Green
it's kinda in India, girl is sold in sex slave/concubine/house mistress /w.e, a faction (gods) wants her to assassinate her her lord. She created a new god and blah b!ah b!ah
It's a fun book, and I had to wait years to read the final (longer that breeks made us wait). Also if you are one of those who own read dead authors, he died a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.8752312]

>>8752301
not really enjoying The Magician's Apprentice so I'll try this

[Anonymous No.8752320]

>>8752271
I liked the traps getting out to the normies through wind up. I hated that Chinese guy so bad. Why did he get away and was able to start over? Wanted the wind up to be loved by the foreigner

[Anonymous No.8752324]

>>8752297
Hi stevian
No shilling allowed.

[Anonymous No.8752327]

>>8752310
Then how did the ones that penetrated (kek) into the scarnc's camp live all those years taking dick? No one noticed their wife had a penis?

[Anonymous No.8752331]

>>8752310
The facehands fingers are smaller than that, think earthworm fine.

[Anonymous No.8752438]

8746417
>I still don't understand why I wonder outside 4chan. I'm reading critics on good reads saying the book is 4/5 instead a 5/5 because there's racism and sexism in a fantasy novel.

Be careful traveling down that rabbit hole if you value your sanity.

[Anonymous No.8752440]

>>8752438
meant to link >>8746417

[Anonymous No.8752441]

>>8752438

what book was that?

please don't be JCW. Please god let it not be JCW.

[Anonymous No.8752444]

>>8752198
Yep, I get that this is what the book is about, I'm arguing that it's done badly.

>If he rats out Moash he's betraying his proud noble oppressed people and siding with the oppressor, if he doesn't he's betraying actual honor and Syl, which has consequences.

Ratting out Moash doesn't make him a traitor to dark eyes. The bond between the men of Bridge Four is well know throughout the war camp. If Moash's betrayal was discovered by a light eyes then the whole bridge crew would be under suspicion, especially Kaladin who claims his men to be trustworthy.
By plotting assassination Moash has already put his best friends in danger. It's a form of betrayal of his kind already. By bringing him to justice Kaladin would only be doing good by Bridge Four.
But no, Moash said "Think of Bridge Four" first so he's in the right and Kaladin doubts his own actions. Good job understanding your own material, Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.8752482]

>>8752282
>enjoying others' pain isn't villainous

[Anonymous No.8752486]

>>8752327
It's probably retractable
>>8752331
I know, but there's not a lot of good fanart

[Anonymous No.8752536]

>>8752482
What if the character doesn't enjoy causing pain, but the fulfilling of that desire to kill? A serial killer with mental illness can be a sympathetic character.

[Anonymous No.8752571]

So, the shaven-haired woman who hangs around Vasher in WoR is totally Vivenna, right?

>>8752249
>>8752259


It's definitely a religious thing. He used the word "snogging" in the most recent Mistborn to describe a railway-car tryst between two characters, for god's sake. I don't expect GRRM-tier "fat pink mast" nonsense (although it does explain why Sanderson never read ASOIAF) but employing such juvenile language yanks the reader right out of the book. It's my only major gripe with him.

Amusingly enough, his most intimate book was probably Warbreaker, and even that was wholly tame

[Anonymous No.8752716]

>>8752571
>although it does explain why Sanderson never read ASOIAF

He's gonna have to very soon.

[Anonymous No.8752735]

I really enjoy reading and writing fantasy political intrigue, but I'm worried that I'm inadvertently creating an ASOIAF rip-off. Should I just stop?

[Anonymous No.8752743]

>>8752735
If you're going to copy people, yeah. Make the book about what you like about that stuff and put your feelings into it, don't have a plot worked out or any worldbuilding and be open to what your mind tells you to put on page and it will be fantastic.

[Anonymous No.8752753]

>>8752743

>and it will be fantastic.

No it won't, unless he works his ass off.

Writing isn't some divine inspiration that comes down from above and guides your hand, it's a skill that can be learned and honed like any other. Talent obviously helps, but it isn't enough.

[Anonymous No.8752766]

>>8752743
I'm not trying to copy GRRM. The setting is very different as I'm not looking to the same areas of history for inspiration. I just worry that 'low fantasy politics with knights and nobles' is in itself too tied up with his series to succeed outside of it.

[Anonymous No.8752770]

>>8752735
Stop worrying about if you're "too similar" to somebody else' Write what you want to write then edit it later. You can't do anything without a first draft.

[Anonymous No.8752788]

>>8752753
Of course, that's why editing exists. 'Talent', no that's just all the shit you read getting vomited through your subconscious. You can only write as good as you read, after all.
>>8752770
dis nigga here, listen to him
>>8752766
Stop spluttering your dumb impressions, you don't know shit. Get writing or it really will be a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.8752803]

Sanderson won't ever describe it of course, but it stands to reason that sex attracts spren like any other thing/activity.

They're probably shaped like leaking cocks. Cocksprens, if you will.

[Anonymous No.8752820]

>>8752142
Is it gay to rub skinspy's phallus?
When it has female form of course

[Anonymous No.8752829]

>>8752803
>spren
>sperm
dude it's cause the origin of everything is babies and stuff no wonder they like sex

[Anonymous No.8752835]

>>8752444
>>8752198
There's also the fact that Kaladin considered Moash his friend, probably his only real friend among the Bridge Four. The rest saw him as a leader, some were even in awe of him, they were not people he could expose his weaknesses and doubts to, he had nobody he could really confide in. Moash at least kept treating him like a normal guy, he was somebody he could be honest with. So in this case it was Kaladin choosing to side with a friend over what was right. He's only human after all. He liked Moash, sympathized with him in his hatred of the Lighteyes and his lust for revenge, because he himself wanted a similar revenge. And it was that pursuit of vengeance that nearly severed all his ties with Syl, because it had nothing to do with honor.

You'll recall how Kaladin justified Elhokar's assassination, it wasn't because he thought it was just, but because he saw it as a pragmatic decision. The people attempting to remove him were convinced he was a liability to the kingdom, even if he didn't rule with malice his negligence and incompetence were no less harmful and it was only a matter of time before they caused a true catastrophe. But then Kaladin realized this same logic was likely what led to the officer leading Tien's squad to abandon him to die. He was a liability, holding the rest of his squad up, trying to keep him alive was putting everybody else in danger. So they cut him loose. Elhokar was Dalinar's Tien.

[Anonymous No.8752837]

What are /sffg/ approved anthologies ?

[Anonymous No.8752844]

>>8752803
What if different kinds of sex attract different types of Spren? Anal spren, blowjob spren. And so on.

[Anonymous No.8752883]

>>8752835

Not the guy you're replying to but could you please use spoiler tags? Not that I mind too much since Elhokar was an asshole anyway, but I hadn't reached that point yet.

[Anonymous No.8752926]

>>8752844
I was wondering why there's no cheating in the war camps. With the description of light eyed commanders having their wives read orders to all of the men under their command I thought it had to be a common thing for soldiers to covet their commander's wives.
Now we know that as soon as they do the deed the Commander would be surrounded by cuck spren.

[Anonymous No.8752932]

>>8752883
I'm the guy he was replying to. I saw the long post and just knew there'd be spoilers so I didn't read it. Then I saw your comment and now I know something happens to Elhokar. Spoilers, anon, fuck sake

[Anonymous No.8752939]

>>8752926

According to 4chan logic the lighteyes collectively became cucks the moment they didn't genocide all darkeyes for having dark eyes.

>>8752932

shit, I'm sorry man.

[Anonymous No.8752945]

Lately I've been reading the first few pages of a few books on my Kindle and just getting bored of all of them. Nothing clicks.
Feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.8752958]

>>8752945

Maybe we can help. Name a few of your favorite books and also the last books that "clicked" for you.

[Anonymous No.8753020]

>>8752958
Sure, why not. Not really SFF but the last two books that I really liked where by Murakami, Norwegian Wood & Kafka on the Shore. I didn't like Hard Boiled Wonderland that much though and I'm saving Windup Bird for when the mood is right.
For science fiction.. Never Let Me Go I guess. Didn't love it but it was alright.
I can list a lot more books that I read completely but didn't like lately:
- Dune, hated it
- Mistborn and Emperors Soul
- Hitchhiker's Guide
- Assassin's Apprentice
And the aforementioned books I read a couple pages of were: Shades of Grey, tediously overwritten. Solaris. Hyperion. Stars My Destination. Dying Earth. And that's it, I think.
I guess I just have a lot less patience nowadays. Kind of need something to hook me early on rather than building up for hundreds of pages. Prose shouldn't be overly tedious but it also shouldn't reach Sanderson levels of plainness.
Dunno if this helps, maybe I'm just growing out of it all or something. Gladly will try any recs though!

[Anonymous No.8753030]

>>8753020
You're Buried Giant fag's wet dream.

[Anonymous No.8753491]

Why does Bakker prefer posting on westeros.org rather than here?

[Anonymous No.8753496]

>>8753491

lel >>8751240

[Anonymous No.8753516]

>>8753496
Literally

/our guy/

[Anonymous No.8753874]

>>8751713
I've gotten maybe four replies total, three if you add in one guy responding twice.

Deal with it, assgoblin.

>>8752571
>So, the shaven-haired woman who hangs around Vasher in WoR is totally Vivenna, right?
Lol we don't know. Wait till 'Nightblood', the sequel to Warbreaker, sometime after 2020!

[Anonymous No.8753904]

>>8751831
Syl's honor is Kaladin's honor, that's the problem with him helping Moash.

[Anonymous No.8753931]

[Anonymous No.8754081]

so they fucked, right?

[Anonymous No.8754386]

Post more EPIC reads like this

[Anonymous No.8754400]

>>8754386
Why would you go to a website you know is full of wankers, look for things that will annoy you, and then post them here so we can be annoyed too?

[Anonymous No.8754402]

>>8754400
You come to 4chan don't you?

[Anonymous No.8754408]

>>8754400
>the meaning of fun

Truly poetry

[Anonymous No.8754516]

>>8753874

>knows where Vasher is, a sense provided by Heightenings
>hair shaven so people don't notice it constantly changing color

I swear it's her. Vasher would never leave his qt princess behind.

[Anonymous No.8754530]

>>8752259
Doesn't that line come after he beats the shit out of the king? Probably the most genuine laugh Sanderson got out me.

[Anonymous No.8754532]

>>8752571
>Vasher in WoR
It's been a really long time since I read Warbreaker. Where was this? The obligatory secret society hideout with the obligatory evidence that said secret society has explored more of the world than has officially been explored, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.8754538]

>>8754532
Vasher was Zahel, doofus.

[Anonymous No.8754539]

>>8754538
I got that he was a world-hopper, but wasn't Vasher a little more evil than that?

[Anonymous No.8754541]

>>8754539

Vasher was literally the hero.

[Anonymous No.8754542]

>>8754539
We don't really know an awful lot about Vasher but he's likely got that bit of anti-hero like most Sanderson protags.

[Anonymous No.8754545]

>>8751083
What are some short fantasy novels with decent stories/characters. It can be part of a series. I'm just getting started reading and longer books feel overwhelming.

Just trying to develop my reading attention span

[Anonymous No.8754547]

>>8754530
He's best at situational humor like that. Nonsense like Shallan going "yay!" or that sword talking to Szeth are his absolute low points.

[Anonymous No.8754550]

>>8754545
Face in the Frost. Dealing With Dragons. Nine Princes in Amber.

[Anonymous No.8754554]

>>8754547
>a talking sword shouldn't talk
u wot

[Anonymous No.8754558]

>>8754554
A talking sword shouldn't ruin the mood by drastically shifting the tone from elevated to vulgar in the last sentence of the chapter, same as any other talking character. Elfland and Poughkeepsie, man.

[Anonymous No.8754559]

>>8754547
>or that sword talking to Szeth are his absolute low points.

The shit at the end of the second book? You're being extremely picky.

[Anonymous No.8754563]

>>8754559
He has a terrible ear for dialogue, but those are the kinds of moments where it goes full nails-on-chalkboard.

[Anonymous No.8754564]

>>8754558
But that was the obvious way to reintroduce Nightblood into the game. Nightblood lacks tact anyhow.

[Anonymous No.8754566]

>>8754564
Yeah, but it ruins Szeth's moment. And wasn't Stormlight supposed to be self-contained anyway?

[Anonymous No.8754568]

>>8754566
Stormlight was never going to be self-contained. It's one of the more important Cosmere stories. Roshar is important.

[Anonymous No.8754573]

What are the best examples of comedy in fantasy but still retaining good story and characters

[Anonymous No.8754576]

>turn on everyone and everything you loved to stop the creation of more living swords
>end up worldhopping to a world filled to the brim with living swords

Can you imagine his face when he found out?

>>8754566

Stormlight is going to have to carry the bulk of the Cosmere crossover plot if Sanderson plans to finish before he's 85.

[Anonymous No.8754579]

>>8754576
>the bulk of the Cosmere crossover plot
I thought that's what Mistborn In Space was going to be for.

[Anonymous No.8754583]

>>8754576
implying this was Vasher's first trip to Roshar

>>8754576
We'll get Dragonsteel sometime after but there is various shit still going on in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.8754585]

>>8754579

Mistborn in Space will add to it, but it's going to be another trilogy of moderate-length (by Sanderson standards) books. Can't hold a candle to the ten mammoth volumes of Stormlight.

[Anonymous No.8754600]

>>8754576
He's not going to write anything into Stormlight where you need to have read any of the other series to know what's going on, that would be stupid. He'll just continue on with the little nods and winks.

Dragonsteel will be "Cosmere crossovers - the series" from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.8754625]

>>8753020
Perhaps the first few pages of Snowcrash will get your girl juices flowing :^)

[Anonymous No.8754683]

What makes a young adult novel for young adults?

I understand that the smartass response would be "its target audience are people in their adolescence" but I am curious what is noticeably different

If one took a YA fantasy novel and compared it to fantasy novel that wasnt YA then what would they find

[Anonymous No.8754695]

>>8754683
Teen drama and less big word usin'.

[Anonymous No.8754700]

>>8754683
Usually the main character is a kid or teenager, often with a hackneyed "coming of age" story

[Anonymous No.8754730]

>>8754683
A softer approach to adult themes like sex and death. Maybe they'd avoid the darker parts of those themes, like war and rape

[Anonymous No.8754778]

>>8754683
Main character and their cohorts are 13-18 in age range, the MC is also Different and has a Secret Power (even if it's just Katniss being able to unite all the states).

9 times out of 10 it's a YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SYSTEM!!! story and The Adults are oppressing everybody and only the Teens can stop them, or it's The Apocalypse and The Chosen Teen must save everybody.

Parents are typically absent (killed, drunks, working 3 shifts a day at the coal mines, etc) and the MC must care for a younger sibling. School likely also doesn't exist.

Sappy love triangle, love at first sight, heroine must choose between hot boi and hot rogueish boi, etc. (one will likely sacrifice themselves to save the heroine)

If 1984 was a YA novel, it would be about a teenage girl in the dystopian future who loves to read at the library since Eastasia blew up all the schools/her parents, but one day she finds that The Olds have banned her favorite books and erased all records of them, plot happens, she runs from the government and meets The Resistance, she must also pick between a resistance fighter named Dirk, and Chaddington Chadsworth, her childhood friend who joined a government militia. (Chaddington sacrifices himself at the end of book 4 to save her and and Dirk from execution)

[Anonymous No.8754786]

>>8754778
Sounds like your average seinen anime

[Anonymous No.8754801]

>>8754778
>YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SYSTEM!!! story
Well, you can't.

[Anonymous No.8754805]

>>8754778
Kek I love that most of this describes Sanderson and Weeks.

[Anonymous No.8754863]

>>8752199
Usually by book 2 you'll have the MC teaming up with the main villain to remove threat X and by Book 3 it's showdown.

[Anonymous No.8754868]

>>8752267
Maximum Ride was good when I was five years old. It aged badly.

[Anonymous No.8754870]

>>8754863
If it's a trilogy, sure.

[Anonymous No.8754871]

>>8753874
Cosmerefag you got the new Sanderson book?

Just downloaded it, but I also started a Johannes Cabal book before I knew this was out... so Sanderson will have to wait.

[Anonymous No.8754881]

>Arcanum Unbounded
>90 mb

>>8754870
That setup only works for trilogies.

[Anonymous No.8754887]

>>8754881
>That setup only works for trilogies.
That's what I said? What?

[Anonymous No.8754890]

>>8754887
Yeah well it doesn't really work if it's not a trilogy. I was agreeing with you, dear anon.

[Anonymous No.8754903]

>>8754890
>I was agreeing with you, dear anon.
Oh! Sorry, I'm not used to people agreeing with me .

[Anonymous No.8754924]

>>8754805
YA has no GRI seal of approval.

[Anonymous No.8755002]

>>8754924
Sounds naughty and forbidden, I'll bite

What fantasy novels has that seal of approval. And i don't want undertones or hints. I want it obvious. I want it to describe the scene. I want to experience it vicariously through text

[Anonymous No.8755012]

>>8755002
Bakker has all three by page 12

[Anonymous No.8755021]

>>8755012
Will it give me a hot degeneracy boner? Or will i go in horny and leave feeling like a terrible person

[Anonymous No.8755070]

>>8755021
>He glanced at the old, adulterate witch, wanting to want to have her killed. But for as long as he could remember, she had been the totem, the sacred fetish that held the mad machinery of power in place. The old, insatiable Empress alone was indispensable. Those times, in his youth, when she had awakened him in the heart of night, stroking his cock, tormenting him with pleasure, cooing into his tongue-wet ear: “Emperor Xerius... Can you feel it, my lovely, godlike son?” She had been so beautiful then.
It had been across her hand that he’d first come, and she’d taken his seed and bid him taste it. “The future,” she had said, “tastes of salt... And it stings, Xerius, my lovely child...” That warm laugh that had wrapped cold marble with comfort. “Taste how it stings...”

[Anonymous No.8755167]

The best YA fantasy novel, in a weird outsider-art sense, is Tyra Banks' Modelland. My sister gave me a copy of it as a joke, and it's absolutely insane.

[Anonymous No.8755220]

>>8754871
I just downloaded it within the past five minutes. Kinda bummed artwork isn't on the website so I can't grab the star charts.

[Anonymous No.8755231]

>>8755070
what book is that from

[CS !ONk14TfQNk No.8755241]

>>8755167
I just read the plot summary, and the list of outsider characters is like something from a Theodore Sturgeon story: an albino, a midget, and an obese woman, uniting for one purpose.

576 pages?

[/fit/ No.8755262]

>>8751214
>>8751240
>healthy hairline
>long, blonde hair
>decent chin/jaw aesthetics
>nose neither convex or concave

unlike sanderson, bakker has the potential for aesthetics

dude needs to get some contacts and start lifting

[Anonymous No.8755328]

>>8754081
I think so. I recall it was pretty vague, but what else could it be?

[Anonymous No.8755332]

>>8754778
>YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SYSTEM!!! story
>Implying you can trust the system in real life...

[Anonymous No.8755333]

>>8754778
Kek, thanks.

[Anonymous No.8755363]

>>8755231
The darkness that comes before
>>8755262
>pseud scooby with hair
No thanks

[Anonymous No.8755438]

Will you get rejected by publishers if you have several PoVs and it's your first book? Is it considered bad to have the first book through the eyes of one character and then in the second book and forward you introduce more PoVs?

[Anonymous No.8755471]

>>8755438
It is my uneducated opinion that your work would be judged by other things.

[Anonymous No.8755528]

>>8755438
It's considered bad if your book is bad. Worrying about this probably means your book is bad so fix that.

[Anonymous No.8755540]

>>8755528
Anon please!

[Anonymous No.8755562]

>>8755438
The same as many other elements of a book, it's considered bad to be erratic. Single or multiple POVs, whichever works for the story is fine just make sure to stick to it. If you stick with one character for most of the book then switch to another a couple of times max it'll just break the rhythm.

[Anonymous No.8755745]

>>8751083
Is there a chart/list for good military science fiction?

[Anonymous No.8755746]

>>8755002
Look >>8752267

[Anonymous No.8755767]

>>8755002
>Sounds naughty and forbidden
It's actually incredibly banal and boring.

[Anonymous No.8755781]

>>8755767
>not hearing your mother's husband fuck her her through the walls
>not wanting to fuck her and usurp her pussy all for yourself

[Anonymous No.8755783]

>>8754871
>Just downloaded it

From where?

[Anonymous No.8755805]

>>8755262
>sanderson doesn't have potential

[Anonymous No.8755806]

>>8752301
>She hugged herself and shivered so hard, her teeth chattered. She began to cry softly, not from fear of the experience, concern for her current safety, or concern about her sanity, but from a profound sense of having been totally violated. Briefly but for too long, she had been helpless, victimized, enslaved by terror, controlled by an entity beyond her understanding. She'd been psychologically raped.

r u havin a giggle m8?

[Anonymous No.8755823]

>>8755262
DUDE WEED LMAO

[Anonymous No.8755877]

>>8755806

[Anonymous No.8755906]

>>8755767
That's the irony, unless it's coming from a place of disruption within the story itself, it just becomes a part of the setting and thus, totally mundane.

[Anonymous No.8755916]

>>8755806
>you will never force a weak and recovering Gerald Tarrant to listen to shitty ass romantic kpop music and animu soundtracks
>Every day until he likes it
WHY
FUCKING
LIVE

[Anonymous No.8755952]

>>8755783
mobilism

[Anonymous No.8756019]

Need your help. I once heard about a high fantasy series that's unnecessarily long and has numerous dragonball style wizard fights right from the get go and there's a floating city or some shit. I can't for the life of me remember what it's called. If anyone can name the series I'd appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.8756027]

>>8756019
Malazan.

[Anonymous No.8756043]

>>8756027
I'm pretty sure this is it. Thanks!

I'm going on a long ass road trip. Is it worth checking out?

[Anonymous No.8756049]

>>8756043
Road trip will be too short.

[Anonymous No.8756160]

Why does the fantasy novel feel so far behind trash mediums like anime and video games?

[Anonymous No.8756177]

>>8756160
I think it's lack of music

[Anonymous No.8756179]

Are there any good books that has successfully pulled off the "Medieval Fantasy world in a Science Fiction Setting"?

[CS !ONk14TfQNk No.8756208]

>>8756179
Hard To Be A God by Strugatsky Bros. An extra-terrestrial society, still in the feudal stage, is observed by a small number of historians from Earth for research purposes. They have access to superior technology but must be covert.

[Anonymous No.8756225]

>>8756179

Dune, anon.

[Anonymous No.8756259]

>>8756179
The High Crusade.

[Anonymous No.8756323]

>>8755783
P R I V A T E
R
I
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[Anonymous No.8756822]

>>8756160
Publicity IMO. Anime is huge in Japan and the video game industry is always growing. You're never going to see a billboard advertising the latest fantasy novel.

[Anonymous No.8756824]

Is everyone reading Sanderson's new book?

[Anonymous No.8756854]

>>8756822
Then how do you gain more publicity for your book? Release it as an E-book? Pay some PR company to make a short commercial and pay for a slot on some channel? Pay for a segment in the news to talk about the book?

[Anonymous No.8756857]

>>8755438
Firefly got published, so you shouldn't worry too much about the book's quality or how PoVs are handled.

[Anonymous No.8756863]

>>8756822
>You're never going to see a billboard advertising the latest fantasy novel
Yeah there were no billboards for Harry Potter or Asoiaf

None at all

[Anonymous No.8756865]

[Anonymous No.8756890]

>>8756854
Say outrageous things on Twitter. Go to conventions and suck up to publishers.

[Anonymous No.8756899]

>>8756854
Get it reviewed on SFF websites/blogs - many will do a brief article in exchange for a free review copy. Also ask readers to leave a review on Amazon/Goodreads etc (the equivalent of "remember to like, comment, and subscribe!" on a video). Make sure you have a decent twitter/facebook prescence and interact with other SFF types. Anything you can do to incease word-of-mouth, really.

[Anonymous No.8756919]

>>8756899
Sounds good. Although I despise the fact that I have to be social to succeed.

[Anonymous No.8756928]

>>8756919
Just shill it here
It seems to be working for bakker

[Anonymous No.8756929]

One of the best fantasy books I've read.

[Anonymous No.8756968]

>>8756928
>implying I'm not the original Bakker shill

Get your facts straight nerd

[Anonymous No.8756970]

>>8756854
Get a fanbase as a result of your previous book. Continue the series for the rest of your life (your publisher will explicitly require you to do this, so you don't have to worry).

[Anonymous No.8756979]

>>8756890
Does that actually result in good publicity, or will you just get blacklisted? Could you give an example?

[Anonymous No.8756982]

>>8756863
>naming two of the biggest fantasy series on the planet
Every medium of entertainment is going to have a handful of hits.
The anon was comparing fantasy to video games and anime. The point I was making was that fantasy will never reach the levels of publicity they consistently get.

[Anonymous No.8756985]

>>8756970
>Continue the series for the rest of your life (your publisher will explicitly require you to do this, so you don't have to worry).
Even after I've finished the 6 books I have planned and the story I wanted to tell with them?

[Anonymous No.8757007]

>>8756985
If it's selling well do you really think your publisher will care about little details like story? They'll insist you write a few hundred pages every year featuring that protagonist of yours that the readers like. Even if you're done with the character.

[Anonymous No.8757016]

>>8756985
Well, do you want to get guaranteed money with book 7, or do you want to take a gamble with an unproven product?

Keep in mind that all you're contributing is labor, and the people who stand to lose money on a bad book are the publishing company.

[Anonymous No.8757030]

>>8756824
Read it, at least the Edgedancer, which I hadn't read before.

I liked it, more of what I expected from him. A continuation of WoR. Old characters, and new ones.

[Anonymous No.8757031]

>>8757007
>>8757016
Damn, I did not realize this. You learn something new every day after all. Puts even more weight on the decision of what you're going to write about.

[Anonymous No.8757042]

Red Rising or City of Stairs, which should I read?

[Anonymous No.8757064]

>>8757042
>reading YA

City of stairs is your only option

[Anonymous No.8757066]

>>8757031
Don't let analysis paralysis get you. Write what you want, keeping in mind that even a 6-book series is aiming unrealistically high.

[Anonymous No.8757109]

I've been in contact with five different publicity agencies for the last 2 days, so tomorrow I'm making rounds to send over copies of the three first chapters of what I hope to be my first book.

Wish me luck or misfortune, my fellow /lit/erals.

[Anonymous No.8757118]

>>8757109
What's the book about?

[Anonymous No.8757177]

>>8757118
In short, a fictional version of the Third Crusade through the eyes of several key individuals on both sides with Elves, Dwarves, Half-Orcs, and Humans divided amidst them through faith.

[Anonymous No.8757220]

>>8757031
My solution is not to wrote with an end goal in sight. Sure I can finish a story arc but I always make sure there's room for more to happen in that world.

[Anonymous No.8757229]

>>8757177
Good luck. I've always heard it said that a publisher decides if they want your book after the first page.

[Anonymous No.8757240]

>>8757220
It just feels wrong for me to not write with an actual end goal in sight that's conclusive rather than open.

[Anonymous No.8757263]

Any SF with knock-down drag-out atomic slugfests? Not the missiles-fly-war's-over stuff, I mean there are nukes going off all the time through the whole book.

[Anonymous No.8757278]

How well do you think a book with a shounen plot would work?

[Anonymous No.8757307]

>>8757240
To be fair I really like the protagonist in what I'm writing now. I know how the story ends but I'm already thinking of places for him to go next just because I want to.

[Anonymous No.8757313]

>>8757278
I guarantee you half the anons here (including myself) are trying to do it right now.

[Anonymous No.8757333]

>>8757313
I would, but I think shounen depends heavily on visuals that wouldn't translate well into prose. At the very least I doubt my own ability to write convincingly about Guts bisecting a guy and decapitating his horse with the same swing 30 times a day.

[Anonymous No.8757336]

>>8757333
Berserk isn't a shounen dumbass.

[Anonymous No.8757350]

>>8757333
>Berserk
>Shounen
Anyway, while it depends heavily on visuals, you can probably capture the sense of Important friendships/Camaraderie, having a dream to be passionate about and work towards, and power levels in terms of politics/military strength/special abilities or what have you.

[Anonymous No.8757362]

>>8757263
The Mirrored Heavens series by David J. Williams maybe? IIRC the three books take place over something like 48 hours in the lead up and start of WW4.

[Anonymous No.8757365]

>>8757333
Not to sound like a complete /a/utist but Berserk isn't shonen and shonen is a demographic, not a genre.
You're talking about battle shonen and it refers to more than just flashy fight scenes. You need a young male protagonist, some broken chosen one powers, a vague coming of age story, a gang of varied side characters who loyally follow the protag, and a cool villain.
Personally I think it'd be pretty easy to translate that to a fantasy novel.

[Anonymous No.8757394]

>>8757365
>You need a young male protagonist
112 year old Avatar that looks and acts like a 12 year old
>some broken chosen one powers
The Avatar State and can learn to bend all four Elements.
>a vague coming of age story
Learn how to become a proper Avatar and what it takes to uphold the balance in the world.
>a gang of varied side characters who loyally follow the protag
A brown, Water bending Babe, her jester swordsman brother, a blind and sassy Earth Bender, A fire bender who used to be their enemy but is now a cool dude, and a beautiful warrior amazon warrior with ancient martial arts skills.
>a cool villain
A complex "Muh honor" guy at first alongside a Fanatical Admiral, and then a borderline psychopathic Firebending sister and the Leader of a Nation that is literally taking on the rest of the world in a war that has been going on for 100 years.

Man, I miss that show. They really got it right.

[Anonymous No.8757400]

>>8757042
Read The City and the Stars instead.

[Anonymous No.8757433]

>>8757394
That's what YA's all about.

[Anonymous No.8757437]

>>8757030
I'm really high and about to read Edgedancer. Glad to hear it's decent.

I wish we got more info with the planet essays, and had one for Nalthis.

>>8757333
Berserk =/= shonen.

[Anonymous No.8757439]

>>8757365
OK, but can you give examples of fantasy novels that are battle shounen (ideally not explicitly D&D novels)?

[Anonymous No.8757457]

>>8755021
>Will it give me a hot degeneracy boner?
>degeneracy boner?

I've got you covered.
Honestly, it's fucking disgusting at times but a great read nonetheless.

Still, it's disgusting. But worth it.
Also disgusting.

[Anonymous No.8757472]

>>8757457
Also, fuck you Christina.

[Anonymous No.8757474]

>>8757439
Eragon?

[Anonymous No.8757485]

>anons eagerly lapping up any drop of fantasy GRI they can squeeze out
>completely ignore SF GRI

[Anonymous No.8757498]

>>8757437
>be a shounen manga
>have like 2 actual sex scenes
>somehow it's magically no longer shounen

[Anonymous No.8757499]

>>8756929
Except there's nearly zero fantasy in that one.

[Anonymous No.8757531]

>>8757499
That's the best kind of fantasy. I don't want to read about wizards and dragons. I just want to read about medieval stuff happening that doesn't rely on me having a history degree.

[Anonymous No.8757533]

>>8757531

>I don't want to read about wizards
>The Wheel Of Time

buckle up, buckaroo.

[Anonymous No.8757548]

>>8757439
Sanderson is probably the closest thing to it. There's a reason people say his writing is like anime.
>Kaladin is a 19 year old guy with a dark past
>Gets a spren and powers of the radiants, which power up over time
>learns what it is to live with honor
>helped along the way by the loyal men of Bridge four
>Szeth is a villain who is a dark mirror of Kaladin

[Anonymous No.8757555]

>>8757548
>There's a reason people say his writing is like anime.

I think it's mostly the fights. Szeth is the worst offender.

>*Lashes behind you*

>heh, nothin personnel, kid.

[Anonymous No.8757569]

>>8757531
Pretty much this >>8757533

Also, you're fucked because the other books are high fantasy. You're on the wrong board. Should try >>>/tv/ for a Song of Ice and Fire

[Anonymous No.8757581]

>>8757498
Shounen is Japanese for boy. Shounen manga are series directed at young teenagers. Mosy of them dont even have proper romances. If a series has sexual content then it's seinen.

>>8757555
Perrsonally I think it's the spren. I know daemons are probably most well known in western culture from His Dark Materials but personifying characters' souls is a major trope in battle shounen. JoJo has Stands, Naruto has the tailed demons, Bleach has Zanpakuto. I feel like that's what Sanderson is drawing from woth Surgebinders having their own talking spren.

[Anonymous No.8757599]

You think I can get away with having a talking older and younger version of Not!Link Main Characters in a YA Novel?
The summary of what I've thought of so far is basically two brothers from our world awakening in a Fantasy world where the older boy uncovers the Not!Master Sword and upon doing so, the pair finds themselves forced into all kinds of shit to become heroes like the past ones who wielded the Not!Master Sword before them.

[Anonymous No.8757638]

>>8757581
Most shounen manga have more sexual content than Sanderson's entire ouevre.

[Anonymous No.8757662]

>>8757599
The whole chosen one wielding a magic sword used by ancient heroes isn't exactly an original idea. You'll be fine. As long as you don't describe as being blonde, wearing a green tunic, and having pointed ears, you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.8757680]

>>8757662
>chosen sword
god damn its so hard to stay away from this meme when thinking up novel ideas.
do you think its reached a point where its actually okay and acceptable to use this trope cause its been used so much? like a so bad its good sort of deal?

[Anonymous No.8757684]

Anyone here ever read this, or the sequels?

I get the impression its fairly obscure.

[Anonymous No.8757688]

>>8757064
WHEN WILL THIS MEME END?

Red Rising is more GRI than City of Stairs.

[Anonymous No.8757707]

>>8757599
YA is all about teenagers having their coming-of-age story, so whether the other-age persona is an adult or a little kid you're screwed.

[Anonymous No.8757712]

[Anonymous No.8757716]

>>8757680
>god damn its so hard to stay away from this meme when thinking up novel ideas.
Why? Why?

Why?

I mean, what do you mean to do with this plot device? Is it merely to force them into adventure? Why aren't they finding adventure on their own? Do they just want a Normal Life? Is it a cheat code for them? Why can't they just work hard for their skills? Or help out an old man who turns out to be a martial arts master who trains them in secret techniques?

And if you have to have an item force them on an adventure, and it has to be something that enables them to fight epic battles without practicing, why can't it be one of the one million other types of weapons? A magic key with brass knuckles attached. A morning star with mysteriously strong clover for the chain links. Chosen Goggles of Slowing Down Time, Chosen Breastplates of Vacuum Immunity, the Singularity Mittens, the Half-brick In A Sock of Legend.

[Anonymous No.8757720]

>>8757688
Oh yeah but it's sold as YA haha looks like you're argument's a little weak now.

[Anonymous No.8757728]

>>8757472
>didn't even finish the second chapter
>has opinions on if the book is good or not
>typical sffg user

[Anonymous No.8757729]

>>8757716
If the writer was capable of writing characters who would struggle through believable conflict on their own, he wouldn't be writing fantasy. For the fantasy author, it is necessary for the fated chosen one to find the +1 artifact plot sword in order to force a conflict to happen.

[Anonymous No.8757733]

>>8757680
You'll be hard pressed to find an idea that hasn't been done to death, so don't worry about it. It's all about the execution. Most YA series are incredibly generic, like Deltora Quest or Harry Potter. They may have some unique ideas woven in, but the general premise isn't anything new at all.
The only issue would be jumping on the tail end of a trend, like writing a vampire series now after Twilight has been dominant for years would be a bad move.

[Anonymous No.8757746]

>as they rejected a report about a Veden woman who claimed her baby had been "blessed by Tashi himself to have lighter skin than his father, to make him more comfortable interacting with foreigners"
Is this a subtle cheating allusion? Brandon is getting ballsy. He even had Lift describe a building to be like "dangly bits".

[Anonymous No.8757755]

>>8757716
Soul Eater had some neat fantasy weapons.
>scythes
>lantern on a chain
>fire/ice boxing gloves
>lightning spear
>belt-holstered spellbook
>tiny hammer that makes you really fast when you hold it
>crossbow with a scope
>chainsaw
>guillotine

[Anonymous No.8757758]

>>8757746
Where is that green-text from?

the death-rattles?

[Anonymous No.8757766]

>>8757733
>erotic fan fiction for Twilight made its author into a millionaire
>meanwhile you're still trying to conform to fantasy's tropes just enough to be recognizable but not enough to be rejected as generic

[Anonymous No.8757770]

Any good tips or tricks on how to write characters traveling and incorporating other plot elements while doing so when the main purpose is to get from point A to point B?

[Anonymous No.8757773]

>>8757770
If you don't have anything to say just end the chapter and continue from when they arrive. Don't put bloat for no reason.

[Anonymous No.8757778]

>>8757773
Let me rephrase it: The entire point of the quest/mission etc. is to get from Point A to Point B. How do I make it interesting whilst keeping character interactions up and incorporating other plot elements?

[Anonymous No.8757780]

>>8757746
He didn't write any of that.

[Anonymous No.8757790]

>>8757638
They have suggestive content. Huge tits barely being covered up. For some reason they can get away with that and they know it works as well as sword fights for bringing in a young male audience. There's almost never any real sexual content.

[Anonymous No.8757791]

>>8757778
Travelogues are extremely common in fantasy, so I recommend you read Lord of the Rings and go from there.

[Anonymous No.8757801]

>>8757498
>>8757581
>If a series has sexual content then it's seinen.
You're both wrong. Those are just broad demographic terms that determine the target audience for the magazine the manga is published in (i.e. Berserk is seinen because it's published in a seinen magazine). Content and genre have nothing to do with it. Manga like To Love Ru and Nisekoi are shounen manga just as much as Naruto or Dragon Ball, and manga like K-On and Non Non Biyori are just as much seinen as Berserk or Vinland Saga.

There's only extremely vague differences between the two publication types. Seinen manga generally have more leeway about how violent and sexual they can be, allowing more explicit gore and sexual imagery, but these are not definitive traits of seinen manga anymore than power level fightan is for shounen manga.

[Anonymous No.8757807]

>>8757801
I think "Naruto" when I hear Shounen and similarly, I think "Gantz" when I hear Seinen. I guess it all depends on what you've been exposed to from the two demo-graphical works.

[Anonymous No.8757809]

>>8757780
ye he did.
>“Kinda looks like the tip of some guy’s dangly bits. Like some fellow had such a short sword, everyone felt so sorry for him they said, ‘Hey, we’ll make a huge statue to it, and even though it’s tiny, it’ll look real big!’”
>>8757758
Edgedancer

[Anonymous No.8757815]

>>8757809
That's from his new book. Pretty much non canon.

[Anonymous No.8757829]

Which fantasy works do you find the most remarkable in terms of plot structure? As in pacing, set up and payoff, tension, twists, satisfying ending, etc.

[Anonymous No.8757831]

>>8757801
I want to write a sci-fi novel about a highschooler who constantly trips and falls into alien girls' crotches.

[Anonymous No.8757843]

>>8757780
>>8757815
It's from Edgedancer, a novella in Arcanum Unbounded, and everything is very much canon, champ.

I wonder what Nalan will be doing in Oathbreaker. Neat to know that Ym was almost an Edgedancer too.

[Anonymous No.8757850]

>>8757843
>unironically reading cameos

[Anonymous No.8757860]

>>8757499
Probably not fair.

>trollocs attack
>moiraine uses magic to save tam's life
>washes away the horses' tiredness
>creates a whirlpool and sinks a barge
>covers a whole river in fog
>fades hunt them down
>makes herself appear gigantic
>trollocs again
>into an abandoned city inhabited by a shadow monster
>trollocs
>fades again
>dark friend with a dagger that burns things
>magical dreams that are partially real
>rand makes lightning
>waygate
>machin shin
>all the creatures in the blight
>the green man
>the eye of the world
>fighting foresaken
>travelling
>rekting trolloc army
>etc etc

[Anonymous No.8757866]

>>8757860
Kek

[Anonymous No.8757872]

>>8756929
Also funny because EoTW is one of the weakest books in the series. Lord of Chaos is easily my favourite just out of WoT.

[Anonymous No.8757902]

I just finished Dune. I liked the ending so much, I'm afraid that the sequels will ruin it. Should I forget about the rest of the books, or are they worth it?

[Anonymous No.8757919]

>>8757902
The next one is pretty safe if you really liked Dune. They drop off in quality with each book, and the final one was never released. It's fine to stop wherever you think the book you just finished was merely okay.

[Anonymous No.8757926]

>>8757778
Give your character interaction scenes memorable locations - middle of a bridge, broad plain with a ruined statue in it, gypsy caravan, etc. Don't waste time entering each location, try to tie up as much description as you can with characters, but make sure there's variety in the journey. Or if there has to be no variety, give extra attention to describing your characters as the journey wears them down.

[Anonymous No.8757967]

>fantasy's just rehashed medieval except with steam machines and rifles now
>urban fantasy inevitably tries for and fails to reach the cyberpunk aesthetic
>Atlantis has disappeared entirely from the discourse
>"weird fiction" authors like Mieville and Gaiman live in an lolsorandum lalaland
I just want my Vietnamcore with Viet Cong wizards summoning dark powers getting slaughtered while It Ain't Me is playing, is that too much to ask?

[Anonymous No.8758013]

>>8757472
>they killed the dog

That's a surefire way to make people hate the character.

>>8757967
>scifi is just the same old rehashes of space marines, star trek/wars ripoffs, and mass efffect/doctor who twee shit

[Anonymous No.8758043]

Started reading Ninefox Gambit. Seems pretty promising.

>mfw all this stuff about calindrical heresy and military math formations

[Anonymous No.8758055]

>>8758043
Sounds like Souls in the Great Machine.

[Anonymous No.8758116]

>>8758013
It's not a ripoff if it is explicitly a licensed property.

[Anonymous No.8758118]

>>8757967
>all of written word is just rehashed ideas that have been around for thousands of years and all of which simply mirror life as it actually is in some way, shape, or form

[Anonymous No.8758373]

>>8752301
>“You don't want facts, you just want drama, you want blood and thunder, you want people to bare their souls to you, then you edit what they say, change it, misreport it, get it all wrong most of the time, and that's a kind of rape, damn it.”

/sffg/ why did you do this to me

[Anonymous No.8758396]

http://www.bookdepository.com/search?searchTerm=gene+wolfe&search=Find+book

all of these are ugly, but which are the most comfy holding-wise?

Anybody got a pic of theirs if you got some from here? Don't care about cover, only weight/paper/font

[Anonymous No.8758793]

I need another book like library at mount char.

[Anonymous No.8758825]

Nu bread
>>8758510
>>8758510
>>8758510

[Anonymous No.8758853]

Any recommendations for the Warhammer 40k novels? I know nothing about the lore.

[Anonymous No.8758909]

How should I start writing a shounen aka Berserk kind story

[Anonymous No.8759208]

>>8758853
Eisenhorn

[Anonymous No.8759696]

>>8754081
At the very least they emotionally fucked. That's why their daemons stopped being able to change forms.