Books on Traditionalism

[Anonymous No.8677048]

Books on traditionalism, family values, and their impact on societal stability?

I've recently moved in with some leftist types and they seemed open to my arguments that a strong nuclear family and monogamy is good for the health of a society. Problem is, I don't know of any literature that has researched/supports these thoughts.

What would book would /lit/ recommend?

[Anonymous No.8677053]

>an american flag in a church

what the actual fuck

[Anonymous No.8677062]

rousseau. the nuclear family was an enlightenment invention (as was the nation)

[Anonymous No.8677064]

>>8677048

I recommend you read The Ego and his own and shut fuck up about "muh traditionalism"

Today's "progressives" will be tomorrow's traditionalists. It's a pointless ideology.

Furthermore, traditionalism is detrimental to society.

http://blackpigeonspeaks.com/2016/10/demise-of-islam/

[Anonymous No.8677065]

Death of the Salesman?

[Anonymous No.8677074]

>>8677064
I suppose not such more traditionalism then. Just the importance of the nuclear family and monogamy. How society performs better when men have a vested interest in its future, ie children

[Anonymous No.8677086]

>>8677048
Ana Karenina.

[Anonymous No.8677192]

>>8677048
Here's your jackpot, OP.
https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg

[Anonymous No.8677216]

>>8677074
>Just the importance of the nuclear family and monogamy
S P O O K

[Anonymous No.8677227]

>>8677048
that kid looks like a faggot

[Anonymous No.8677233]

>>8677048
Are you a fucking bacteria that you care so much about the health of some spooky organism?

[Anonymous No.8677241]

>>8677233
If you're not concerned by the future of white race you're worse than a nigger

[Anonymous No.8677250]

>>8677241
Why am I not surprised by your answer?

[Anonymous No.8677252]

>>8677250
I'm not even OP, dear leftist.

[Anonymous No.8677254]

>>8677241
nice argumentation, hitler

[Anonymous No.8677255]

>>8677252
But you're a faggot all the same. Which, in my eyes, makes you virtually identical to OP.

[Anonymous No.8677259]

>>8677062
No, it wasn't. Nuclear family was already a part of the Christian tradition for centuries, and the Greeks as shown by their legislation had the concept in 4th century bc or earlier.
The nation had similar identity concepts and while the nation itself was new, it was built on existing concepts.
>>8677048
Aristotle, Aquinas, Alasdair MacIntyre, David S Oderberg.
Also, the white race isn't a concept any decent traditional author gives a fuck, it is a modern liberal protestant invention.

[Anonymous No.8677261]

War against the family

It's a Canadian book, but it applies broadly to the West. It talks about the break down of the family and the rise of the state. I'm only half way through but it's an excellent book, gairdner is very intelligent and also /lit/ as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8677267]

>>8677074

>society

Hahahaha.

[Anonymous No.8677291]

>>8677259
>the white race is a protestant invention
Elaborate? It's pretty obvious that white nationalism has been much more popular in eastern European countries which are Orthodox and Catholic, e.g. Poland. Of course there's Germany, which was majority Catholic in the 20th century and still is. Actual Protestant areas like Britain, Scandinavia and Switzerland aren't big on ethno-nationalism.
Also, sola scriptura isn't going to result in white nationalism, since the Bible doesn't teach it. It doesn't teach any type of ethno-nationalism.
If Protestantism (or Christianity) invented the concept of the white race, then /pol/ would love it. They don't. Hitler wouldn't have persecuted the Catholic church and forced it to adhere to Nazi race theory. He did.

[Anonymous No.8677375]

>>8677291
White nationalism has never been popular in Catholic countries, where are you getting this shit? We see like 3 blacks annually and it's an event. There are exactly two blacks in a 250000 town where I study, one temporarily because of Erasmus.
England and American slavery and special interests were the main drive for both eugenics and racism.
Chesterton and Belloc were the ones who argued against the protestant white supremacy of Bernard Shaw and H G Wells. Race as an idea that originated in England and came with Darwin. Nobody gave a fuck about the colour of one's skin before than in Europe, mostly because everyone was white and the French allowed their colonies to integrate with the home country.
Pol is a bunch of cretins, their understanding of Christianity, Protestantism and Catholicism is centred around memes.

[Anonymous No.8677390]

The True and Only Heaven by Christopher Lasch.

[Anonymous No.8677397]

>>8677241

Alt right virgin Projection much?

[Anonymous No.8677407]

I notice that no one on this bullshit board has a problem with our [colour]-pilled friend making claims completely unsubstantiated and without any texts backing them up, only coming to /lit/ after the fact so he can look clever infont of those blind lefties(!!!)

I agree with OPs point, I just think this left hate bullshit is so fucking juvenile. Try to grow out of it soon guys.

[Anonymous No.8677437]

>>8677192
>https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg

If no one else is going to thank you, I will. I took Yockey and de Benoist

[Anonymous No.8677445]

autobahns for stirnerposters when?

[Anonymous No.8677454]

>>8677291
>White nationalism has never been popular in Catholic countries
Well it has been. It's even been popular in THE Catholic country, i.e. Mussolini. What I'm getting at is that the idea of white supremacy isn't specific to Protestantism. I don't believe that it's even specific to Christianity.

>England and American slavery and special interests were the main drive for both eugenics and racism.
I don't see the causation between that and Protestantism, just as I don't see the causation between Christianity and racism. It simply existed among Europeans and Europeans are mostly Christian. There's no causation here

>Chesterton and Belloc were the ones who argued against the protestant white supremacy of Bernard Shaw and H G Wells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells#Religious_views
"Later in the work he aligns himself with a "renascent or modern religion ... neither atheist nor Buddhist nor Mohammedan nor Christian ... [that] he has found growing up in himself"."
H. G. Wells is not a valid example. He wasn't even Christian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
"Less consistently maintained were Shaw's views on religion and Christianity. Having in his youth proclaimed himself an atheist, in middle age he explained this as a reaction against the Old Testament image of a vengeful Jehovah. By the early 20th century, he termed himself a "mystic", although Gary Sloan, in an essay on Shaw's beliefs, disputes his credentials as such. In 1913 Shaw declared that he was not religious "in the sectarian sense", aligning himself with Jesus as "a person of no religion"."
He's not a valid example either. Neither example seems to have been Christian, let alone Protestant.

>Race as an idea that originated in England and came with Darwin.
So because Darwin was raised as an Anglican, converted out of Christianity and rejected creationism (which most Protestants believe in), this is evidence that racism is a Protestant invention? This is another bad example

[Anonymous No.8677459]

>>8677375
>White nationalism has never been popular in Catholic countries
Well it has been. It's even been popular in THE Catholic country, i.e. Mussolini. What I'm getting at is that the idea of white supremacy isn't specific to Protestantism. I don't believe that it's even specific to Christianity.

>England and American slavery and special interests were the main drive for both eugenics and racism.
I don't see the causation between that and Protestantism, just as I don't see the causation between Christianity and racism. It simply existed among Europeans and Europeans are mostly Christian. There's no causation here

>Chesterton and Belloc were the ones who argued against the protestant white supremacy of Bernard Shaw and H G Wells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells#Religious_views
"Later in the work he aligns himself with a "renascent or modern religion ... neither atheist nor Buddhist nor Mohammedan nor Christian ... [that] he has found growing up in himself"."
H. G. Wells is not a valid example. He wasn't even Christian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
"Less consistently maintained were Shaw's views on religion and Christianity. Having in his youth proclaimed himself an atheist, in middle age he explained this as a reaction against the Old Testament image of a vengeful Jehovah. By the early 20th century, he termed himself a "mystic", although Gary Sloan, in an essay on Shaw's beliefs, disputes his credentials as such. In 1913 Shaw declared that he was not religious "in the sectarian sense", aligning himself with Jesus as "a person of no religion"."
He's not a valid example either. Neither example seems to have been Christian, let alone Protestant.

>Race as an idea that originated in England and came with Darwin.
So because Darwin was raised as an Anglican, converted out of Christianity and rejected creationism (which most Protestants believe in), this is evidence that racism is a Protestant invention? This is another bad example

[Anonymous No.8677747]

That one chapter in The Pale King

[Anonymous No.8677764]

It would be interesting to read a book affirming the nuclear-family forcefully. I've never read anything like this; nor have I looked for it, though I do tend to read everything to the right.

If you want a good book on traditional romance and desire, I recommend Hamsun's wonderful PAN.

[Anonymous No.8677775]

>>8677764
Speaking of Hamsun, essential reading for all Americans here: "Fra Det Moderne Amerikas Aandsliv" (1889)

[Anonymous No.8677813]

>>8677048

Evola, Revolt Against the Modern World.

[Anonymous No.8677816]

We will soon enter age where 50%+ men wont have any wife because islam will make it so that some will have 4 and some none.

It will have impact on society and it will make us more third world tier. You can screencap this and read it in a few years if you dont believe me. That is if we wont be nuclear ash by then.

[Anonymous No.8677827]

>>8677813
I bought a collection of his essays two years ago and the best use I had for them was as a table support.

[Anonymous No.8677834]

>>8677816
>third world tier

It won't have us allied with America or Russia during the Cold War?

[Anonymous No.8677912]

>>8677048
>unironically being a traditionalist

kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8677954]

>>8677192
Thanks mate

[Anonymous No.8677962]

>>8677053
In every church ive ever been to. Usually alongside this one.

[Anonymous No.8677973]

>>8677912
triggered?

[Anonymous No.8677982]

>>8677912
Being a /pol/ tier racialist is retarded, but rejecting the benefits of family faith and community is degenerate tier.

[Anonymous No.8678060]

>>8677982
>muh degeneracy

[Anonymous No.8678089]

>>8677064
What a simplistic and juvenile opinion, have you ever read De Maistre instead of taking it out on society because your mommy forced you to go to a shitty proddie church?

[Anonymous No.8678105]

>>8677973
>triggered?
that's completely normal family to anyone with any semblance of social involvement. If you would have posted it outside the racist context I would have maybe thought you were referring to the fedora or Jonny Depp tattoo.

[Anonymous No.8678121]

>>8677048
>that a strong nuclear family

You aren't a traditionalist anon. Maybe a fascist or a conservative capitalist, not surely not a traditionalist.

[Anonymous No.8678234]

>>8678060
not an argument, libtard

[Anonymous No.8678321]

>>8677048
Grapes of Wrath

[Anonymous No.8678325]

>>8678234
>implying "but m-muh degeneracy" is an argument to being with

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.8678331]

>>8677048
Confucius and Siuncius (Xunzi)

[Anonymous No.8678339]

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[Anonymous No.8678373]

>traditionalism

[Anonymous No.8678382]

>>8677982
>"family faith"
>degeneracy
Nice spooks.

[Anonymous No.8678407]

>>8677048
How to be a cuck, by yourself

[Anonymous No.8678417]

The Death of the West by Patrick J. Buchanan

[Anonymous No.8678437]

Just save yourself the hassle and tell them you're a bitter virgin.

[Anonymous No.8678997]

>>8678325
still no argument, libtard

[Anonymous No.8679003]

>>8678437
>projections of a loser

[Anonymous No.8679007]

>>8677048
Wooh looks like its a Spooky Halloween afterall

[Anonymous No.8679018]

>>8677048
>they seemed open to my arguments that a strong nuclear family and monogamy is good for the health of a society
you should really learn to hide your powerlevel before becoming more of a laughing stock than you are already

[Anonymous No.8679022]

>hey /lit/ help me convince these dumb lefties of ideas that I blindly support despite never having read any literature about

[Anonymous No.8679178]

>>8677048
>strong nuclear family and monogamy is good for the health of a society.

I'd like to meet the person who tries to argue that a strong nuclear family is NOT good for society? Like, what are these roommates arguing, "yeah, having a caring, devoted mother and father is a pretty shitty thing for a person." Really?

Are you Christian? If so, alright, I can more easily tolerate your view without thinking you're a fucking buzzkill weirdo, but if you're not, holy smokes man, go to a party and get laid or something, you lame-o. You're young.

Mon-monogamy is potentially bad in that if it's practiced by married people it has the potential to tear families apart, but other than that dude it's not that big of a deal. If you scrutinize it just based on 'muh feelings' that it's 'degenerate' or other such incantatory bullshit, then you're wrong.

Open and honest polyamory between two primary partners has probably SAVED its fair share of marriages...

>>8677064
Stirner posting is getting out of hand...

[Anonymous No.8679393]

>>8677053
one nation under God faggit

[Anonymous No.8679404]

>>8679178
Stirner was right desu

If only the people on this board read him

[Anonymous No.8679498]

Cultural Marxism (TM), not even once

[Anonymous No.8679522]

>>8679018
Nah not a laughingstock, just a hypocrite. I'm live a pretty fucking hedonistic lifestyle, but that's only modern society encourages it. I know if all men lived as I do, it certainly wouldn't be good for a nation.

I only mentioned it to them after collectively went on a lengthy conversational tangent praising polyamory and the higher a girls sexual partners= the better.

Basically I need some gentle piece of literature that will guide them in the right direction. That won't be outright rejected by someone with strong liberal indotrination.

[Anonymous No.8679548]

Silvia Federici's Caliban and the Witch is what you need to de-spook yourself here sonny.

[Anonymous No.8679590]

Shitposters ITT after you posted your funny replies you actually thought about your future and your family for a second and started crying because your mothers were whores and fathers abandoned you. As stupid as it sounds, we need more people like OP

[Anonymous No.8679677]

>>8679498
What the fuck even is cultural Marxism? Is it even something Marx thought of? It seems to be some nebulous buzzword referring to liberalism and left wing social activism, but I don't see how that stuff has to do with Marx--with labor and capital and boring economic shit.

[Anonymous No.8679812]

>>8679677
Not weighing in but it has more to do with the Frankfurt school that migrated from Germany to America and influencing academia

[Anonymous No.8679896]

>>8679178
>yes, go on tinder and you can chew on a HPV mildewed cunt, that is what wise men and women throughout history have always advocated, you won't have a throat at age 33, but at least you weren't lame.

[Anonymous No.8680057]

>>8679677
Cultural Marxism is the ideology behind SJW. The Frankfurt School of Cuckcraft and Jewzardy was a secret cabal of Jewish marxists who realised soviet style communism just wasn't cutting it anymore. The warrior spirit of the White Man was far too strong. No revolution could keep us Whites down, as the blood of our noble warrior ancestors still flowed through our veins. So the jews decided to strike at the heart of Western Civilization, subverting it from within. The infiltrated academia, creating gender theory, political correctness, queer theory, gun control, critical theory, postmodernism, multiculturalism, privilege theory, feminism... the list goes on and on. some say they were the masterminds of the 60s new left. The frankfurters want to weaken white masculinity, that's the nordic warrior spirit, that's what they're afraid of, so they've been promoting trannys and the numale lifestyle among kids, ie. modern familly. There also happens to be shittons of xenoestrogens in our water supply nowadays, hmmm... I wonder why? even animals are affected, you got pigeons, you got frogs, engaging in homosexual behavior. it's insane out there. they're after the breakdown of the family. They want to destroy this beautiful godess that is the west. the plot to flood white countries with islam and mass migration of rapefugees, all their fault, because its in their interest to dilute white dna, it's all part of the plan. Whites are too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.8680068]

>>8679677
A meme

[Anonymous No.8680354]

>>8677962
>Prots

[Anonymous No.8680360]

>>8680057
>this is what /pol/ actually believes
read adorno faggot, just go.

[Anonymous No.8680361]

>>8678437
although a projection, /thread

[Anonymous No.8680382]

>>8677192
>https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg
appreciate anon

[Anonymous No.8680405]

>there are people on /lit/ who are actually liberals
how can you read the Western canon and go "nope, I'd rather have mudslimes, dindus, and fat chicks pegging me in the asshole"?

[Anonymous No.8680406]

>>8680360
>m-muh adorno

[Anonymous No.8681879]

>>8680361
t. son of a whore

[Anonymous No.8682262]

>>8680360
>Theodore "There can be no poetry after the shoah" Adorno

good goy

[Anonymous No.8682278]

>>8680405
By going to (((college))) and being taught how leftism is literally truth

also
>implying /lit/ reads