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8645038 No.8645038 [Reply] [Original]

IT'S HAPPENING

>> No.8645041

Two memes collide. Two worlds. Will it still be the samw from now on? XDD

>> No.8645046

>>8645041
Will it create a new "meta" meme? XD

>> No.8645052
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>>8645038
>[Infinite Jest] is the white male's capacity for speaking over minorities and women encapsulated in one droning, yawning work the serves to function as a sort of mansplain of the human condition. Though in one section, Wallace attempts to filter masculine emotion (or lack there of) through the mask of a "feminine entity" (Kate Gompert) at a desperate, grabbing, clawing and gnashing attempt at inclusion.
Do you agree?

>> No.8645057

>>8645038
Fake and gay

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>>8645052

>of mansplain of the human condition

Sometimes I think that the human condition itself was an invention of European males. Africans don't even recognize themselves in the mirror until they're six years old, and the rest of the "POC experience" sort of dovetails with that.

>> No.8645084

>>8645074
so you would say there is some superiority to the european experience

>> No.8645109 [DELETED] 

>>8645084

They just don't seem to think deeply about anything. It's like they have no interiority, no self consciousness whatsoever. They react to life the way a flock of birds reacts. In China depression is unheard of, same story in Africa. I was reading that the Chinese have for all intents and purposes resurrected their civil service examination. A Chinese boy's young adult life consists of nothing but schools and cram schools. People who've lived in China tell me that there is no top 40 radio hitlist on Chinese radio, there is a top 3. They simply set the cd player to repeat and let it run all day. Half of all print books published in China are educational supplements.

I just don't think people like Africans or Chinese or whatever can be meaningfully called human in the sense that Europeans are. If race, gender, sexuality, and even intelligence are social constructs well then what's stopping me from socially constructing the definition of homo sapiens? I think I'll call it Homo Faber.

>> No.8645113 [DELETED] 

>>8645084
>>8645109

I should also mention that I've read that some scientists now consider chimpanzees to be a species of homo, not pan. That really lets a cat out of a bag, because if chimps can be considered a type of homo the way that neanderthals and erectus are, with their vastly different cognitive abilities and temperament, then how is the whole "we're all equal" narrative going to hold water?

>> No.8645116

>>8645038
How many fascists has Mr Green killed?

>> No.8645121

>>8645116
I honestly dont understand how that's ok. Yeah, yeah it's only figuratively but still.

>> No.8645123

>>8645116

John spent three months volunteering for the Kurds in Syria

>> No.8645133

>>8645109
>>8645109
>In China depression is unheard of
except that massive spike in suicides during testing

>> No.8645137

>>8645116
he didn't kill them himself, he sent his macbook to kill them like a hunting hawk or something, hence why "this machine kills fascists" instead of "i kill fascists" or "this body kills fascists" or something like that being printed on his t-shirt

>> No.8645141

btw this thread is full of crappy understanding of biology and, i guess, some blatant lies

>> No.8645242
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>>8645038
i hate the way people perceive fascists and communists. if he were to write "this machine kills communists" it would be against their "politically correct" made up morality but killing fascists are okay for them some reason.

C O M F Y

>> No.8645266

>>8645123
His next book is to be called "Kurds and Wahabism"

>> No.8645356

>>8645074
>Africans don't even recognize themselves in the mirror until they're six years old
Proofs or back to /pol/

>> No.8645445

>>8645109
>If race, gender, sexuality, and even intelligence are social constructs well then what's stopping me from socially constructing the definition of homo sapiens?

you cannot "socially construct" shit, were you even thinking when you wrote that? the difference between something you make up and these actual social constructs is their performative efficiency. not to mention that everything you posted itt is just a subset of the social construct of race anyway. "blacks are subhuman" and "asians don't have souls" are pretty much the cornerstones of the ideology of race.

>> No.8645452

>>8645242
your prosecution complex is showing

>> No.8645460

>>8645113
You're a retarded troll so I don't know why I'm doing this but those same scientists classify us all as homo sapien and will tell you the idea of race doesn't really have a basis in science. Learn to philology ya fucking cunt.

>> No.8645467

>>8645242
Because communist includes a huge range of political beliefs including many great and peaceful ideas. If it said 'this machine kills Stalinists' or 'this machine kills members of Khmer Rouge' no one would care.

>> No.8645469

>>8645356
Wait, are you seriously considering that he might be telling the truth? Dude, you need to take a break from this site.

>> No.8645472

>>8645467
truth

>> No.8645476

>>8645356
>the state of /lit/

>> No.8645499

>>8645467
in the case of stalinists quite a few people would care

>> No.8645548

>>8645109
Is Trump's twitter your only source of information concerning contemporary China?
Well, at least you got the 'childhood in China' right.

>> No.8645555

>>8645548
/pol/ tells me what to think. They're always right. Try the redpill, kid

>> No.8645649

>>8645499
Exempli gratia Maoists (東方紅,釣魚島是合法中國土)

>> No.8645683

>>8645074
I'm big
I'm hot

>> No.8645849

>>8645116
>>8645121

It's a reference to Woody Guthrie, who had it on his guitar. Except Guthrie actually fought for what he believed in, while Green is just an inauthentic neoliberal fuccboi who actually shills for fascism, just of a different kind.

>> No.8645941

>>8645121
>>8645242
Fascists are universally detested. It used to be shameful to be one or spout anything even remotely fascist in public. People used to recognize defeating fascism as a great triumph.

>> No.8645954

>>8645038

Fake.

>> No.8645962

>>8645849
That is pretty pathetic. Didn't think anyone would so willingly piss on Guthrie's corpse like that for some cheap credibility. Poor bastard must be rolling in the grave.

>> No.8645974

>>8645038

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMYa-dJWm8

>> No.8646083

>>8645038

John Green is a typical liberal with recycled and boring ideas. He adds nothing of worth to any intellectual discussion. He's a basic bitch leftist with opinions accepted by the status quo. I hope he dies.

>> No.8646094

Someone please explain to me what's going on.

I used to read John Green books as a kid (Looking for Alaska, specifically) but now I find him insufferable.

I also liked Infinite Jest. How are the two related?

>> No.8646135

This thread is a special kind of experience.

>> No.8646168

>>8645052
Did he say this? I don't even know anymore with this meme king.

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>>8646094

Please respond or the next girl with which you fall in love will have an ass like this.

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>>8645849

this tbqh

>> No.8646214

>>8646168
The pic in op is shopped you fago

>> No.8646228

>>8646185
What's there to understand about two /lit/ memes being shopped into one, nigga?

>> No.8646433

>>8645121
It was the catchphrase of a hokey folk singer.

>> No.8646680

>>8645116
He k"illed" fascist minds by converting them with teaching.

>> No.8646686

>>8645038
TELL HIM TO STOP

>> No.8646701

>>8645137
>>8645116
>>8645123

>this machine was made by chinese slave labor

>> No.8646722

>>8645038
the existence of this man is an error

>> No.8646753

He read it and loved it, you morons
http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1486
There is a book based on it in one of his books

You guys think IJ is patrician and difficult when really it's trash, probably worse than John Green to be honest.

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>>8646753

>You guys think IJ is patrician and difficult

Uh..... welcome to /lit/...

>> No.8646846

>>8645356
>>8645469

http://jcc.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/09/08/0022022110381114

>> No.8646863

>>8646846
KEK >>8645356 btfo

>> No.8646868

>>8646863
meant to quote >>8645469
>>8645469 got told

>> No.8646989

>>8646868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKs_iW0QVNY

they even say it in this video lmao

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>>8645266
"Looking for Rojava"

>> No.8647014

>>8646989
>>8646846
holy hell
but if it's true that a child, regardless of ethnicity, is raised as an individual it recognizes itself, then african children raised in this fashion would theoretically recognize themselves just as well as white people right?
Jesus fuck we need to systematically dismantle and destroy non-western culture, for the sake of humanity

>> No.8647058

>>8647014
Or

Children who don't see OTHER PEOPLE using mirrors to inspect themselves won't get the idea until they're smart enough to figure it out themselves.

Children who live in houses with mirrors see other people do it.

Maybe there's nothing magical about mirrors and they're just one more thing you either know how to use or don't.

>> No.8647068

>>8647058
did you see the video? literal animals figure it out

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>>8645123
>>8647006
>"This whiny, uncoordinated little man is supposed to help us fight the Caliphate?"

>> No.8647187

>>8646094
they're both memes

and damn, that ass is nightmarish

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>>8647098
>ywn build kurdish socialism with qt ypj grills
My life is so empty

>> No.8647231

>>8645052
sounds like something he would say

>> No.8647237

>>8647098
Wew kurdish women are sexy af desu

>> No.8647252

>>8645038
This looks shopped

>> No.8647275

>>8645452
if you're going to be snarky you should use correct diction

>> No.8647278

>>8646185
the girl with three butts
hubba hubba

>> No.8647279

>>8646168
>>8647231
That's what's funny; he didn't. He literally said the opposite. See:
>>8646753
He was a huge fan. I think he said it was somewhere between YA and not, or had all the good makings of YA (I would actually agree that IJ has more in common with YA than lit)

>> No.8647320

>>8645467
can you name those great and peaceful ideas?

>> No.8647328

>>8647278
90% she has cushions disease

>> No.8647341

>>8645242
>for some reason

Retard, communism is socially acceptable and fascism is not. No one is pretending to think they are equal.

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>>8647320
zapatismo and Ocalan's Democratic Confederalism tbqh

>> No.8647422

>>8647237
>>8647006
>>8647098
White but Kurdish-speaking/activist anon here. I have taught western volunteers Kurdish and generally work in Kurdish activist circles. Kurds tend to be very appreciative of anyone who knows even something of their language or political predicament, but don't rely on volunteering to get qt Kurdish waifus. That said some volunteers have ended up married to other comrades in Kurdistan, so you never know.

>waiting for John to do "crash course literature Mem û Zîn"
>only real OG Kurds know what I'm talking about

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>>8645849
damn... things done changed....

>> No.8647453

>>8647422
I wanted to move to Erbil and support the YPG/J but I couldn't fund anywhere to learn Sorani I wanted a full-communist kurdish gf so bad ;_;

>> No.8647460

>>8647425
>anime_girl_eating_vomit.jpg

>> No.8647461

>>8645849
>Woody Guthrie
old school americana, my man

>> No.8647582

>>8647425
at least this guy doesn't claim that his guitar does something what he didn't actually do in his life

>> No.8647585 [DELETED] 

>>8645467
I'm fat but have a nice butt.

>> No.8647594

>>8647585
post girl or boy desu

>> No.8647604

>>8645038
>As if John Green has the strength to hold that book with one hand.

>> No.8647608

>>8645467
Unlike all the people who numales perceive as fascists, who are just 1 group.

>> No.8647619

>>8647278
meta buttanism
post buttanism

which says it better?

>> No.8647620

>>8647058
buddy. watch the video. Chimps who live in group society can still figure it out. Birds can for fucks sake.

>> No.8647622

Every time I see a John Green thread the beginning of this song play in my mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVWWO_76m6Q

>> No.8647710

>>8646185
Alright

>> No.8647727

>>8647217
>implying socialism is compatible with the k*rd's tribal-nationalism

At least ISIS is consistent in its pure ideology.

>> No.8647760

>>8647727
It's perfectly compatible on a small scale, which is how it is being implemented

>> No.8648104

>>8645941
I seem to remember it being quite popular in the US and Europe for a while, but then some prick from Germany ruined the whole thing

>> No.8648114

>>8645038
I'd actually like to put this thread to good use and it's sort of related to youtube.

im looking for a youtube book reviewer but i dont remember the name of his channel. he kind of looked like a cancer patient with a bandana.

>> No.8648234

>>8646185
Not taking any chances.

>> No.8648303

>>8646185

A haiku

cuck fag asshole dick
cuckold faggot asshole dick
fuck you dumb dickhole

>> No.8648544

>>8647341
>Retard, communism is socially acceptable and fascism is not
that's exactly what he was lamenting, double-retard.

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>> No.8648610

>>8647422
fuck i'm kurd and barely have a clue

>> No.8649919

>>8647425
everything changes eventually

>> No.8649932

Infinite Jest seems like a Mental tar pit.

>> No.8649944

>>8647425
Can't tell if this is john grmeme or memethomeme memetano

>>8647453
>Move to Erbil
>to support the YPG/J
Erbil's in Barzanistan

>> No.8649983

>>8646185
fug

>> No.8650001

>>8647357

>ocalan
>peaceful

>> No.8650008

>>8647453

>I wanted to move to Erbil and support the YPG/J

YPG are Syrian, you dumbfuck, Erbil is in Iraq.

>> No.8650020

>>8649944
>Barzanistan
I didn't know other people used this :D
Also nice to see some love for Rojava on /lit/, have this gif I made of a turkish tank blown up by YPG after crossing into Syria. Biji berxwedana Rojava!

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYOKxQmh1rnw5Wg/giphy.gif

>> No.8650593

>>8646185
stop this meme at all cost

>> No.8650768

>>8645242
A BLOO BLOO BLOO

>> No.8650774

>>8646185
Fuck you

>> No.8650804

>>8645242
Gee, i wonder who is at fault by driving a social hate towards fascism.

>> No.8650907
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8650907

Newbie here, what is some essential science fiction /lit/ over here?
extra points for short stories instead of novels

>> No.8650963

>>8650907
READ SNOW CRASH

>> No.8651826

>>8647608
No they are many groups but fascism is inherently anti humanist. It is fundamentally based on devaluing human life and valorizing violence. Many branches of communism do the same but not inherently so.
Communism is at its worst when it approaches fascism.
Kind of like how monotheism is at its worst when it approaches Islam.

>> No.8652386

>>8650907

All You Zombies - R.A. Heinlein

>> No.8652397

>>8645052

Meh, that's an acceptable take, I guess. Wallace's handling of the PGOAT's perspective was pretty graceless and rude.

>> No.8652482

>>8652386
The best
Sooo mind fuck

>> No.8652500

>>8645052

I mean, it's a fair assessment. Wallace was an extremely naive Midwesterner in a very real sense that tried, embarrassingly, to emulate experiences of demographics that he probably never even encountered. He's good at capturing two demos: mid-upper class, educated white people and degen white trash drug addicts. Those two demos, he's got laser-pointed insight into how they function.

His views on women are a bit iffy, Kate Gompert and the Moms are good characters but the Subjects Orin seduces are kind of cartoonish and the PGOAT is pretty flat for a crack addict. Then he embarrasses himself with the infamous Wardine Be Cry chapter. That shit was fucking jokes, mate.

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>>8645052
john be cry

>> No.8652621

I love how every post that links an actual source and real proof that John Green loved DFW is ignored in this thread, but the speculation that he finds it "le politically incorrect :P" gets tons of replies.

John Green is the same writer but with more honesty and less stupid gimmicks. Probably even comparable prose, if not better. Also, if you compare chapters like "Wardine be cry", even the worst of John Green speaks of more life experience. None of this is to say that any of these qualities are done well with John Green, but that DFW is a lowest-caliber writer, or close.

So yes, John Meme read Infinite Jest and reviewed it twice, with the same platitudes I read on /lit/ that it made him "not feel so lonely". They were extremely positive, not bringing white males into it at all.

>> No.8653018

This board is so crap and dumb. OP posted a photo shopped picture and every body start taking shot on both the writers. Sometimes this board is even worse than r/books. Pivoting and discourse is at best.

>> No.8653101

>>8648574
Who wrote this? It's nonsense.

>> No.8654050

>>8646185
fuuuck

>> No.8654069

>>8645242
Its because fascists killed Jews and Jews control the media

Nobody in real life has a problem with my fascistic leanings

>> No.8654379

>>8646185
you bastard

>> No.8654483
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>>8650593
Here's some protection.

>> No.8654898

>>8646185
sigh

>> No.8654964

>>8646185
>shit

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>>8654483

>> No.8655186

>>8652500
He did live in a halfway house for awhile. The real Don Gately was pissed when he heard about the book. Wardine was shit but as someone who's been in jail and worked construction and shit, I thought Gately was great.

>> No.8655590

>>8646185
fuck you man

>> No.8656237
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>>8646185

>> No.8656241

>>8645242
Calling yourself a communist in public will generally get you weird looks and derision the same as fascism will.

>> No.8656470

Can someone explain what this is all about?

>> No.8656493

>>8645849
>>8651826

What you don't like =/= fascism

>> No.8656619

>>8654483
Protection from what? Ze germans?

>> No.8656621

>>8656241
It's not even close. Communist iconography will get you eyerolls, fascist iconography will get you lynched.

>> No.8656678

>>8646185
nasty shit, dude

>> No.8656682

>>8656621
probably because the end goal of fascism is total war and the domination of one race over all, whilst communism's end goal is co-operation and egaltarianism between all of mankind

>> No.8656926

>>8646185
Nigger

>> No.8656950

>>8645038
Dipped in cereal.

>> No.8657190

>>8645242
Damn, that's a comfy Franco

>> No.8657227

>>8656682

>being this naive

>> No.8657244

>>8645052
>that chart
There's more white people than black people

>> No.8657261

>>8656682

fascism is living in peace and harmony according to natural law, not some egalitarian bs pretending "we're all equal XD"

forcing everyone to be equal requires worse atrocities than any fascist has ever dreamed of. look at stalin for example.

>> No.8657770

>>8657261
>according to natural law

wew lad, I mean communists are stupid but you are something special
Just say that you believe in tradition, it's much easier than lying to yourself

>> No.8657837

>>8656682
u shall know a tree by its fruits

>> No.8657907

>>8645266
"Kurds and Whey" The recipe stories.

>> No.8658768

>>8655121
who's moot?

>> No.8658773

>>8645242
No, if he had a "this machine kills communists" sticker on his laptop people would think it was a joke

They wouldn't know the horrible truth

>> No.8659832

>>8647058
>Maybe there's nothing magical about mirrors

Please don't trigger Borges

>> No.8659834

In case you guys didn't know its actually one of his favourite books and what his own writing is based on. John credits Wallace with starting the YA movement.

>> No.8659837

>>8647422
Do they accept volunteers with no military experience and no fucking clue about the kurdish language in the military?

>> No.8659840

>>8659834

WE FUCKING KNOW, LET US MAYMAY IN PEACE

FUCK

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>>8645356
>>8645469

Yeah I was mostly trolling but the mirror thing is an objective fact. Six year old Kenyans fail it, adult magpies don't. I really don't want to get banned or another three days so here is a good book about Africa for your consideration.

>> No.8659862

>>8646185
Fucks you

>> No.8659863

>>8651826
It values human life, just not equally.

>> No.8661021

>>8646185
reee

>> No.8662038

>>8646185
woah

>> No.8663402

>>8657244
>% of population
it's proportional dumbfuck

>> No.8663410

>>8645499
Only Stalinists and hard authoritarian leaning MLs and MLMs would even remotely care, but tankies are hardly people to begin with, so it doesn't matter

>> No.8663421

>>8656682

Mao, Stalin et al. killed more people by sheer incompetence than the Fascists ever did by design.

Honestly I'd rather be shot than slowly starve or freeze.

>> No.8663423

>>8646185
uhhh

>> No.8663433

>>8646185
yeah not worth risking it

>> No.8663446

>>8646185
I don't reply to the "your mother will die in her sleep" posts, but I can't take a chance like this

>> No.8663464

>>8655121
moot?

>> No.8663504

>>8646185
Fuck you

>> No.8663525

>>8646185
Bro, fuck you

>> No.8663535

>>8655121

Fuck off and sage this thread. Stop bumping it.

>> No.8664783

>Crash Course starts human geography series
>both videos so far are dislike-bombed

Some of it's probably /pol/, but somehow interpreting Guns Germs and Steel as racist/eurocentric is actually kinda impressive.

>> No.8665124

>>8646185
this is so FUCKED

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>>8646185

>> No.8665538

>>8646185

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>>8652621
>John Green is the same writer but with more honesty and less stupid gimmicks. Probably even comparable prose, if not better.