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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Wed Oct 19 15:35:32 2016 No.8636700 [Reply] [Original]

Futuristic Tech Edition

Which books in your opinion has the best description of futuristic technology?
Which Author writes the best tech porn?
How do you see technology in the coming years differing from what was predicted?
Will we all be able to download works digitally to our brains?

Fantasy
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
>General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
>Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/

Science Fiction
>Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
>http://imgur.com/a/90laS
>General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/
>http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/

Previous Thread: >>8628338

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 16:03:05 2016 No.8636773 Feanor did nothing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 16:09:09 2016 No.8636795 File: 32 KB, 314x500, 419S0sZ1uNL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can I get this title added to the general image for the fantasy sticky? It's Mythic Fantasy and I think with some solid exposure people would come to enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 16:23:07 2016 No.8636834 >>8636795 What's the plot behind this one?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 16:31:54 2016 No.8636853 >>8636795 >Can I get this title added to the general image for the fantasy sticky? Publisher: Stevian Heartbound; 1 edition (July 28, 2016) Really Steve?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 17:04:13 2016 No.8636930 >Almost done with Shadow of the Torturer >All Severian's doing is feeling up some river bum girl during a boat ride

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 17:21:26 2016 No.8636967

>>8636834
A college age man is killed by an ancient demon (Lilith, first woman made in the garden of Eden) and used primarily to do her bidding. As the plot progresses the main character runs into characters from Nordic/Celtic culture that basically say "Hey, that's not the religion of your ancestors, so we'll tag along and keep you on the right path."

Abrahamic and Nordic interests clash from the perspective of someone that's not really that religious, culminating on a siege against Heaven itself.

The book isn't anti-christian in the slightest though, so if you're a religious person don't expect to have your holy book bashed.

>>8636853
Gotta advertise or be lost in a sea of other very talented authors friend. I spent almost a decade writing it, and the first 300 pages are free. If you need a distraction during the elections, give it a go.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 19 17:28:45 2016 No.8636988

>>8636967

>"To Kill a God"
>"You Can Not Repair Willful Ignorance"

The only thing missing from this cover is a picture of a fat young white man tipping a fedora.

>The book isn't anti-christian in the slightest though, so if you're a religious person don't expect to have your holy book bashed.

I feel that you may not understand marketing as a basic concept.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 17:36:34 2016 No.8637016

>>8636988
The book isn't really geared towards atheist. That kind of misleading, but that's part of getting it out there. If you find time give it a shot.

Everything is done by historical standards. All gods and goddesses in public domain are used as they would appear in mythology, while newly created gods and goddesses blend into the background to create a diverse and exciting landscape.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 19 17:52:20 2016 No.8637050 File: 162 KB, 310x420, To Kill a God - Stevian Heartbound.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'd like to recommend this for chartanon's list.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:00:00 2016 No.8637077

>>8637016
>All gods and goddesses in public domain are used as they would appear in mythology

I don't think you understand how mythology works.
Gods and heroes weren't solid characters. Their personalities and abilities were built up across many stories told by many people within their specific culture. Some stories are considered core material on that mythical figure, some aren't. And if you take the oral tradition into account there can be drastically different versions of a single story.
The point I'm making is that there is no such thing as "how they would appear in mythology". Any new piece of writing featuring a character from any ancient mythology is creating a new version of that character.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:00:27 2016 No.8637079 >>8637050 >Being mean. >>8637016 At least change the tag-line.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:02:09 2016 No.8637090
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>tfw catch the other chartanon napping and post my updated modern recs first

Thanks to all the anons who've shilled me stuff, Fforde and Hallard in particular were great

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:02:39 2016 No.8637092

>>8636967
Steve, babe, you sound like a gud guy, a gud guy, but you've committed a fairly severe faux-pas here that will trigger us raging autists. This thread is for ironic shilling, malicious shilling, and drunk shilling. You have to do it like Scott "so what if I smoke weed" Bakker and pretend you're a reader.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:09:52 2016 No.8637112

>>8637079
That's possible.

I really like the line because a character says it in story, because she's mad her entire kingdom got obliterated. It's supposed to be an "oh, yeah, neat" kind of moment when the reader puts the two together.

What do you think of this. "An Afterlife Adventure"

I think that would stand on its own as synopsis and get people in the mood to enjoy the work.

>>8637077
No, I agree with you entirely. I just didn't word it correctly. We're entirely on the same page.

>>8637092
Haha, I just advertised here because I grew up on 4chan. I honestly expected MUCH worse. I figured worse case scenario people are talking about my work, so someone may look it up and go "Oh hey, this is interesting."

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:13:07 2016 No.8637122

>>8637090
Anathem was really good, its probably one of my favorite sci-fi works. I can understand the hate towards it though.
Stephenson and some other guy even composed and produced some of the songs that are mentioned in the book, and are interesting and enjoyable, specially while reading the book.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:30:42 2016 No.8637153 >>8637112 >What do you think of this. "An Afterlife Adventure" Death is only the beginning Life sucks, but death ain't easy A mythical tale of the modern era unsheathes katana

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:32:44 2016 No.8637160 >>8637112 I'm not a fan of tag-lines in general. But that's at least better, since it flags the work as a fantasy novel, whereas right now, if all I had to judge from the cover it looks like it'd be something written by a Dawkins worshiper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:38:43 2016 No.8637172 >>8637160 Changed it. I'm definitely attracting the wrong audience with that tagline as it currently stands. I really appreciate your input!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:39:55 2016 No.8637179 >>8637153 >A mythical tale in the modern era Not bad. Better than "An Afterlife Adventure," I think.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:40:57 2016 No.8637183 >>8637172 Goodluck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:41:11 2016 No.8637184 >>8637090 I've been meaning to reread Night Watch. The City Watch books were so good.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 18:44:13 2016 No.8637188

>>8637179
Yeah I was kinda grinning at that post. It's cheeky, but it's not wrong.

My updates are pending on the marketplace for the new subtitle, but I'll paste "A mythical tale in a modern era" in a notepad, and when I am able I'll feel it out and see if it still fits.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 19:12:48 2016 No.8637294

>Which books in your opinion has the best description of futuristic technology?

I was sick of how scifayes always would fudge the technology so it's basically magic or it's a 'hard' sci fi where they try really hard to get the science right by the author can't into science so they end up fucking everything. Even if they get the tone of 'this is how real science works' correct.
I like being vague and using familiar terms so that it sounds like it could come out next year and that's how people would talk about it.

It's great when people make this ridiculous fucking worldbuild and pull it off extremely well like 'Stand on Zanzibar' which while written in the seventies was oddly prophetic. Even in that tome of a book which I think everyone should read as it's only aged better as time went on, they only used a few 'slang' words and part of the mystery of the story was that the author held off on explaining what the few terms meant until he felt like he could just shove it in there.

Such a great sense of having such a massive world and how much the world and technology interacts with the characters. I think that science/magic explanation is the same as worldbuilding, you only want to go into it if it has relevance to the characters and what's going to happen to them.

Like one character in Stand on Zanzibar is basically Bourne from the Bourne Identity before it was written and there this part where he's in this generic asian nation and somebody is flipping the fuck out because that's what happens in the story and that awesome sense of a fish out of water having a conflict in this foreign land gave a real good sense of alienation.
I think he yells at them after he kicks the crazy guys ass because he's mad about all the violence and stuff but it was fun just knowing that they didn't care one bit about what he said and you knew it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 19:20:52 2016 No.8637330 File: 383 KB, 800x1224, uprooted.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just finished reading pic related, thought it was excellent Anyone know of anything similar? Loved the sense of wonder that comes from the magic in Uprooted.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 19 19:33:06 2016 No.8637372

>>8637294
>part of the mystery of the story was that the author held off on explaining what the few terms meant until he felt like he could just shove it in there.

I finished a nice story by Mishima last week and I noticed how he was quickly sketching descriptions of places as necessary for the character's movement and then filling in details later when the character would return to that place or be doing something that focused on it. I realized how common a mistake it is for a writer to try to describe everything immediately instead of letting description flow naturally with the story rather than a torrent that disrupts the telling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:14:45 2016 No.8637497 File: 2.00 MB, 3393x2110, kitoh hardware v2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8636700 >Which Author writes the best tech porn? Mohiro Kitoh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:17:56 2016 No.8637510 >>8636795 You could add it to a chart for books written by anons, along with gaskun and Scott Carroll.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:19:49 2016 No.8637515
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>>8636700
>Which Author writes the best tech porn?
Larry and Jerry do a pretty good job. I posted this last thread, it's the 80s-tech human space battleship from Footfall with an Orion drive and attached space shuttles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:29:25 2016 No.8637548 File: 2.85 MB, 3785x4700, footfall gunship.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8637515

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:53:14 2016 No.8637619 so how stupid is this idea? >soicety grows to a point where we've become much better with technology >study jupiter closer >it's not really a giant gas planet >but a giant egg that houses an eternal beast >its about to hatch yay or nay?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:55:06 2016 No.8637626 File: 6 KB, 320x136, givemeabreak.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8636773

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:55:30 2016 No.8637629 >>8637619 >it's not really a giant gas planet >but a giant egg that houses an eternal beast Yes, this is pretty stupid. Why didn't they notice when they flew Galileo through it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 20:58:08 2016 No.8637639 >>8637629 It's not stupid compared with most of the shit in this genre. Just make sure you adhere to all the right tropes so your fans know you're authentic.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:01:14 2016 No.8637650

>>8637629
the story I have in my head is that the story takes place after a giant data loss

where various large amounts of important data was lost due to AI experiments. including any data on Jupiter or the launch of galileo.

essentially think of a modern day burning of the library of Alexandria.
and so society is pretty much rebuilt to the point where they re launched a probe into Jupiter

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:01:20 2016 No.8637651 >>8637629 When they flew Galileo through the upper atmosphere until it imploded, you mean?

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Oct 19 21:05:53 2016 No.8637666

>>8637619
>study jupiter closer
>it's not really a giant gas planet
>but a giant egg that houses an eternal beast
eternal is a quality which doesn't really belongs to organized matter
kilmeny shall smile in eternal bloom when your eternal beast have eleyed away together with the sun and the world

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:06:54 2016 No.8637670 >>8637666 sorry I'm not really a writer, I like to read mostly

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:17:24 2016 No.8637712 >>8637497 I want more SF/Fantasy books where little girls suffer brutally.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Oct 19 21:21:04 2016 No.8637724

>>8637670
oh, you shouldn't be so easily discouraged with all the silly stuff you can read about your idea

your space beast, eternal or not, would need something to eat though, even sumerians understood it

>'O my child, the Bull of Heaven would have no food, at the horizon is its food!
>o maiden Inanna, it grazes where the sun rises!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:28:22 2016 No.8637743 File: 570 KB, 1640x2438, arelon_map_10yr_color_ebook.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finally finish reading The Remnants >all dose plotholes Okay

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:30:27 2016 No.8637747 >>8637743 By the Animorphs lady? Yeah it went off the rails but it was still a fun ride.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:35:16 2016 No.8637759

>>8637619
There was a Doctor Who episode exactly like this except it was the moon and they had to decide to kill the moon or not to save earth because it was gonna hatch.
I think the episode is 'Kill The Moon', features spiders and a black schoolgirl because BBC.

CS !ONk14TfQNk Wed Oct 19 21:36:06 2016 No.8637761

>>8637619
It reminds me of David Icke's idea that Saturn is a large transmitter, constructed by another race, which is broadcasting a matrix-like illusory existence to Earth in order to limit our potential, with Luna as a signal booster.

So there is a well of ideas and myth to riff on, in the PKD fashion or otherwise. I'd rather read that, something mind bending, nutty, and conspiratorial, than something about Lovecraftian monsters in space.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 21:42:08 2016 No.8637780

>>8637761
Yeah I agree, lovecraftian monsters are really only great when you build the story around not seeing them and the anticipation of seeing them. Once you get a handle on them and start fighting them, then it's just a space opera fantasy story isn't it?

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Oct 19 21:44:16 2016 No.8637782 >>8637780 uhm.. the titus crow series tried that but generally people tried to fight the horrors in the original lovecraftian books too, they even rammed cthulhu with a ship

>>	CS !ONk14TfQNk Wed Oct 19 21:56:34 2016 No.8637804 >>8637780 With genres, it's probably best to write what you are interested in. But as for reader's tastes, I suspect a lot of people still enjoy space operas, whereas Lovecraft is a niche in a niche. There are lots of ways to write the same story.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 22:14:36 2016 No.8637830

>>8637782
Well yeah but Cthulhu wasn't a top tier one anyways, just has a madness aura. All the cool ones melt you if you look at them.
>>8637804
You're quite right. You don't even really need to do a lovecraftian horror creature these days to get the same kind of feeling, in the end its that sense of mystery, power, and terror than people want. The warhammer series does that really well with the chaos gods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 22:46:23 2016 No.8637905 >>8637651 But it's not an "atmosphere," it's an eggshell, remember? If Jupiter is in fact a gas planet that just happens to have some kind of giant egg hiding deep in its core, that would make a lot more sense.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:18:12 2016 No.8638010

/k/ here. I'm trying to find that series of WW2 Fantasy books y'know the one that has Stalin as some kind of wizard or something on the cover. I can't remember the name for the life of me and I don't have a picture of the cover in question unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:24:33 2016 No.8638032 >>8638010 Don't remember the name but Harry Turtledove wrote it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:25:33 2016 No.8638034 >>8636795 Pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:28:54 2016 No.8638040 >>8637619 nay

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:32:50 2016 No.8638052 >>8638032 You sure? I know Turtledove's work fairly well and I've never seen it attributed to him. I think it was a Russian author

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:51:09 2016 No.8638095
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>>8638032
>Reading the plot summary of T. Dove's magic ww2 series
>"War breaks out in Derlavai a generation or two after the Six Years war. Most of the countries that declare war on Algarve do so only half-heartedly, allowing the Algarvians to use that reluctancy to their advantage. The Algarvians split Forthweg with Unkerlant and then overrun Valmiera, Jelgava, and Sibiu, while Unkerlant wrests away part of Zuwayza. Lagoas joins the war when Sibiu is taken. The book ends when the Algarvians "get the drop on" the Unkerlanters in Forthweg (who were plotting to attack them first). Kuusamo, meanwhile, tries to seize Obuda from Gyongyos but fails. Yanina succeeds in gaining control of the Land of the Ice People"
What the fug am I reading?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:53:18 2016 No.8638101 >>8638095 Sounds like we've found another Star Wars movie

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:00:48 2016 No.8638119 >>8638095 Reading this without any context is so bizarre. It's like listening to someone carry out a lecture on something you know absolutely nothing about and didn't know existed until a few minutes prior.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:20:28 2016 No.8638161 Hey /sffg/ what's some good magical realism that's just comfy as hell? I like latin, arabian and asian settings

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:21:41 2016 No.8638168 >>8636700 Wtf is going on with that rocket? Also fuck Gilbert Norrell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:25:19 2016 No.8638178 >>8638161 The first couple Otori were kind of comfy Asian not-too-far-gone fantasy I went invisible. I feel like the niche you describe should be fuller. Maybe I'm just ignorant.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 20 00:32:37 2016 No.8638193 File: 46 KB, 640x426, Holley Generation Three Dominator.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8638168 >Wtf is going on with that rocket? It's the Holley carburetor of rocket engines.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:42:27 2016 No.8638214 >>8636795 Query: why does it say 'can not' instead of 'cannot'? Is this the quality we can expect from the book itself?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:50:51 2016 No.8638230 File: 177 KB, 1345x750, 2d54e7f737e0e30b71de77e7866ec9e9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you will never become a great writer because you don't actually enjoy writing and have to force yourself to do it

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:57:29 2016 No.8638247 File: 49 KB, 500x695, 05lady_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8638230 >tfw you want to be a good writer but your brain keeps fucking your writing pace up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 00:58:08 2016 No.8638248 >>8638230 >Enjoy writing and can shit out things fast but can never think of what to write

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:00:31 2016 No.8638256
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>>8637747
It had its nice elements. I wish some had been explored more thoroughly, like the Ancient Enemy, Billy's powers, why 2Face burnt herself, the dreams D-Caf and Roger Dodger had during their 'death', etc.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:00:57 2016 No.8638258

>>8638178
I've seen a lot of latin stuff, primarily set in spain: the alchemist, the shadow of the wind, 1001 years of solitude, borges (though he's about as comfy as the lessons of a teacher whose wife left him and took the kids)

honestly, I'd like to see something set in like vietnam or thailand. it doesn't even have to be fantasy. I liked The Windup Girl just fine.

After re-reading the Dresden Files I just need something ambient and exotic: everday life in a world I can't imagine living in. I like going on vacation in my own head

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:07:30 2016 No.8638275 >>8638258 Oh, latin american. Yeah. For some reason your post had me thinking Roman latin magical realism, which I don't understand why it's not a genre now that I think of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:11:11 2016 No.8638282 >>8637619 I still haven't watched Kill the Moon.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:19:08 2016 No.8638295
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>>8638230
>tfw write more and more of my comfy novel about a knight errant rescuing old gods from the fedora empire and fucking his immortal gf who's also a sword
>tfw embracing the trash

kitty !kitty/EnNg Thu Oct 20 01:23:21 2016 No.8638301

>>8638295
a sword is an ancient symbol of virility
therefore his sword gf should be a man inside, a male spirit of the sword who took a form of a girl because he loved his master and wanted to please him or because he was afraid he would be ditched otherwise and the knight would find a more willing sword 'girl' instead

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:24:50 2016 No.8638302

>>8638258
Oh. Now that I think about it, if you're willing to go Y A try the Thief series by Meghan Whelan Turner. Greek-ish setting with a whiff of magic or at least divinity and destiny.

Here's the audiobook of the first one

https://mega.nz/#F!txNEyISS!nM7GZBnRp2a468TazdEWag

I love it. Plot, setting and character are all in balance. At least in the first three.

If you want more adult but strongly atmospheric, be sure to read Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:28:42 2016 No.8638314

>>8638230
>tfw I created a whole urban mythology with a small pantheon of minor gods, their angels and chosen mortal races (none of which are even humanoid), a handfull of human-born demigods as main character, a dualistic multiverse with multiple other planes of existence alongside an explanation of how those planes diverged from the real world complete with a whole host of symbolism, connections to real-world physical laws as well as straight up puns and memes
>and none of it will ever see the light of day becuase I hate writing shit down and my ideas are in a constant state of flux

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:29:13 2016 No.8638316 >>8638301 that's pretty much the case actually

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:39:01 2016 No.8638342 >>8638301 I like the way this tripfag thinks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:41:46 2016 No.8638346 >>8638295 >embracing the trash >MC isn't a catgirl

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:46:46 2016 No.8638356

>>8638302
Tried Strange and Norrel. Not a fan. it's a bit too slow and victorian for my tastes. Then again, maybe my idea of ambient is sort of weird, I'm not sure I could quite explain it if I tried.

Generally speaking I mean locales with bright cluttered landscapes (farmland, deserts and taigas are boring. rainforests and cities feel more alive), simple prose, everyday lives in quaint cultures, and even the slightest bit of something that's no quite real or at least not yet: the excitement of new possibilities

That's the widest net I can cast while still being specific. I guess I'd say the books I consider ambient are things like

>The Golem and The Jinni
>The Windup Girl
>The Grave of Kings
>The Alchemist
>The Orphan's tales
>The Killing Moon
>Fevre Dream
>The Shadow of the Wind

and for non /sffg/ examples:
>Johnny Tremane
>The Physician

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:52:20 2016 No.8638365 >>8636967 Not gonna lie, that description sounds a bunch like American Gods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 01:55:55 2016 No.8638371 File: 68 KB, 430x640, 48a93182a836d00db61c6cf44beaa031aa870c8d59a0343a2f7fa6a5373be697.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8638095 >>8638119

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:02:09 2016 No.8638382

>>8638302
Not him but I've read the Thief series. I found the books to be generally ok with 3 to be the strongest book and 1 as the weakest. There was more that the author could have done with the setting.

>>8638356
If you liked the Killing Moon you might like Guy Gavriel Kay's stuff. For example Tigana. His writing has a focus on worldbuilding and culture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:03:04 2016 No.8638388 >>8636700 >goodreads >popular low fantasy novels >harry potter >asoiaf REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:11:02 2016 No.8638404

>>8638388
To this day I have no clue how morons think ASoIaF is low fantasy. Apparently zombies, dragons, and seasons that last for years in a made up setting doesn't cut it for high fantasy anymore. It's like they think anything without elves isn't high fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:15:05 2016 No.8638412 >>8638404 Is it High or Low Fantasy: a /lit/ guide Question One: Does something happen that is magical, or involve magic in some way? A. Yes B. No A - High Fantasy B - Low Fantasy

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:26:51 2016 No.8638440

>>8638382
I've tried him too, I just can't get into it for reasons I can't explain. Part of me just wants to read characters who are still young and unsure so I can discover the mysteries of their world along with them.

Part of why I loved The Grace of Kings despite hating epic fantasy is because 1: it opens with the main character seeing something amazing and 2: the characters continue to learn new things and create them too. Hell, the second one deals with fantasy-setting characters learning to make holographs in a low-tech, non-magical way and that simple fact that it's just people creating and inventing things is enough to drive me through 1000 pages of a genre I don't even normally like

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:27:48 2016 No.8638441 >>8638440 >Part of me just wants to read characters who are still young and unsure Fair enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:30:54 2016 No.8638446 >>8638412 define magical

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:31:57 2016 No.8638448 >>8638446 Any occurrence outside of the established rules of reality where the answer is self insistent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:33:38 2016 No.8638450 >>8638448 Forgot to add: and unambiguous as to it's cause. That way it can be seperated from faith or religion

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:37:51 2016 No.8638454 >>8638440 * I also enjoyed the worldbuilding in Seth Dickinson's the Traitor Baru Comorant if you haven't tried that. Note that it is quite /u/.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:38:04 2016 No.8638455

What's a good fantasy in which pre-science is advancing and the main character[s] are constantly learning and discovering new things?

>>8638412
I thought it was

Question One: does it take place in our world, but with some kind of magic?

A. Yes
B. No

A - High Fantasy
B - Low Fantasy

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:47:54 2016 No.8638470

>>8638454
I tried it, again, not my cup of tea.

To be quite honest, I'm really goddamn picky and arbitrarily and superficially so. I'm creating a bunch of rules but really I don't think any of them is solid. I just like what I like and there isn't much of an internal logic to it

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:48:55 2016 No.8638471 >>8638470 Everyone's picky. I used to be less picky, but that's before I had less time then books.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:49:01 2016 No.8638472

>>8638412
All you've done is defined fantasy, not high or low fantasy.

>>8638455
That's wrong also. Low fantasy is set in a rational world, often ours but not always, while high fantasy is set in a separate fantasy world. The key difference is the laws by which the worlds abide. High fantasy worlds have their own rules completely invented by the author and many aspects of the setting have to be explained from the ground up to establish these rules. Where as in low fantasy the world abides by most of the same rules as the rational real world we inhabit, stuff doesn't need to be explained because it's implicitly understood to be more or less the same as our world. Magic in low fantasy is usually treated as an aberration, something out of the ordinary that violates established laws.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 02:53:11 2016 No.8638477 >>8638471 I used to be less picky too. now I'm finally out of things to read. I spent the last few months re-reading dresden and at the end of it I only had two new books to show for it

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Thu Oct 20 02:58:09 2016 No.8638482 >>8638455 >main character[s] are constantly learning and discovering new things the soldier of the mist :3

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:00:21 2016 No.8638486

hey /lit/, Is Certain Dark Things the crappy kind vampire novel? It looks legit but I'm really skittish around vampire stories because I've fallen for trash before.

>>8638482
Read it. I really did like it, but it slowed down towards the end and I quit on the sequel

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:01:13 2016 No.8638487 File: 192 KB, 1787x2555, ToKillAGodOne.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8636795

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:02:18 2016 No.8638489 File: 346 KB, 1787x2555, ToKillAGodTwo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8638487 I'm less fond of the font on this one. Looks like an eighties Stephen King cover or something.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:04:36 2016 No.8638494

>>8638477

I can't really think of anything else that fits the bill.

You could try the The Broken Earth if you'd read Killing Moon but not that.

Vance's Dying Earth is comfy in terms of landscapes but the characters aren't particularly young/unsure and I felt that the prose wasn't particularly dense.

Dagger and Coin had great characters and culture but the landscapes weren't too atmospheric. There was only one character in DC featuring a character in a coming to age. Same goes for the Coldfire Trilogy but both protagonists are old.

The Hyperion Cantos was incredibly atmospheric but perhaps not in the right way. The first two were a kind of dark atmospheric with excellent characterisation, the last two were incredibly atmospheric in terms of the worldbuilding but the characterisation and the thrust of the novel suffered. The characters were also older and more experienced with the exception of Aenea and the prose could perhaps be dense at times.

Strugatsky's Roadside Picnic had an enchantingly dark atmosphere too but again the characters are older. It actually reminded me a little of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness with the ending.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:05:12 2016 No.8638495
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>>8638489
This one was my favorite, but looking at it now, it looks like the cover of some non-fiction expose of the Church. Number one is the best of three for a general purpose cover.

Anyway, my main point here is reconsider your cover. These three were made in less than an hour using free domain images and fonts. Nothing sinks an ebook faster than an uncompelling cover.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:06:57 2016 No.8638499

>>8636795
>Take the hand of Zachariah as he guides you into this tale. His tale. Zachariah is a young college student in the late 2000’s on the verge of graduation, yet for many life takes an unexpected turn.
What the fuck is this.

>Well, in one word, trauma. It’s a traumatic experience to have someone kill you.
Uhhhh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:11:50 2016 No.8638505 File: 125 KB, 1029x390, DAAAAAAAMN.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8638499 I think he has bigger issues than a shoddy blurb...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:26:03 2016 No.8638526 >>8637092 >ironic shilling, malicious shilling, and drunk shilling Give examples of all of those, please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:27:05 2016 No.8638528 >>8636795 I will read it if you upload the .pdf file somewhere.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:28:50 2016 No.8638532
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>>8638505
Yeah, the cover is a bit of a problem too.

I'm a bit out of practice but the last book cover I made was this lazily stitched together from seven different images (note that the Doctor Who font is shit but it had to be included as it was a Doctor Who book. Something nice modern and classy wouldn't go amiss, I used to get ttfs off http://fontsource.tumblr.com/ before the admin stopped updating or try /gd/'s fontshare note that using that pirated fonts for commercial works is risky):
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/doctorwhogeneral/images/f/ff/Shit_Trips.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/347?cb=20161009205301

The problem with book covers is that each image needs to have its colours altered to fit the book. There needs to be some kind of colour progression like this ideally: http://i.imgur.com/m3XltS1.png http://aquasixio.deviantart.com/art/Tutorial-17-A-turtle-walkthrough-345468329 it can't just be dull shades of black and maroon everywhere, that's not attractive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:39:40 2016 No.8638551 Anyone here read "To kill a god"? Fantastic book, picked it up yesterday and just couldn't put it down, highly recommend it to everyone here. It truly is a book to surpass the likes of Gene Wolfe

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:40:53 2016 No.8638555 >>8638551 Is To Kill a God" the fresh new /lit/ meme?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 03:56:38 2016 No.8638578 >>8638532 Shit man that Dr. Who cover is god awful. You're the last person who should be handing out critique.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 04:03:13 2016 No.8638584

>>8638404
Way of kings is high fantasy, Lightbringer is high fantasy.
Asoiaf is low fantasy, dagger and coin is low fantasy.

Take your fucking autism out of here. I don't see how you will call something high fantasy when the author goes out of his way to write as little of the fantastical as possible.

You do know in real life shit happens (that can be considered magical), is real life high fantasy ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 04:11:16 2016 No.8638600 >>8638482 Pssst. Hey. Would you let me play with your kitty with my fingers?

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 04:26:36 2016 No.8638631

>>8638532
I appreciate the feedback, but I only posted those to inspire OP to seek out a new cover. Very little time or effort was invested. I save my best work for when I'm getting paid.

Also some of what you pointed out with the colors is due to .jpg compression. Just by-the-by.

Perhaps you would like to help OP fix up his cover? You've got a knack for spotting small issues, and I'm all out of time for tonight.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Thu Oct 20 04:37:28 2016 No.8638645 >>8638600 rood -_-

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 04:58:55 2016 No.8638682

>>8638256
She didn't have enough space. Should have expanded the elements she had, of course, but that's hindsight now. Shame she hasn't been back to spooky YA science fiction since.

Animorphs had unexplained things going on, but they just made the universe seem bigger. That series had well-done background. I kind of wish the Ellimist Chronicles never happened, and the Ellimists were still a mysterious elf-race and Crayak was still Sauron. When Jake starves his Yeerk in the sixth book and when Rachel sees the future in the seventh were some of the big defining moments in my imagination, back when I was seven and everything was new.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 05:03:52 2016 No.8638691 >>8638095 They're all just real-world nations with nonsense fantasy names, and maybe climates swapped or something. Turtledove is a hack.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 05:28:21 2016 No.8638724
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>>8638631
The words were photoshopped out (just replace the base layer in the psd with the actual image) which is why there are fuck ass weird patterns and the hexagons will need to be properly aligned
Pretty fun to make.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 05:32:42 2016 No.8638734

>>8638724
https://www.sendspace.com/file/a4mz92
Download psd, open base layer, replace with the clean textless image and realign layers 13 + layer 13 copy.

Hexagons are pixellated because I used a brush. Can remedy this by making them instead with the polygon tool http://i.imgur.com/eNAnXU7.png

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 05:58:15 2016 No.8638782 >>8637619 Read a story like that where all the solar system's planets were eggs. It was from the Golden Age of SF, so you're about a century late.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 06:11:53 2016 No.8638805 >>8637090 any more good recommendations for some Guy Gavriel Kay?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 06:15:48 2016 No.8638815 >>8638805 Lions of Al Rassan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 06:16:40 2016 No.8638818 >>8638805 Tigana was the best one in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 06:18:17 2016 No.8638821 >>8637090 >Pendragon Protocol Is this like Fate/stay night or something? >Arthurian legends living in the 21st century

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:12:32 2016 No.8638907 What's your protagonist's name, /sffg/? I was using Vachel for one but haven't really done anything with the character. I use Noel for another but his name had the feminine pronunciation (noh-el). Is this too hipster?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:22:32 2016 No.8638931 >>8638907 Those are two very normal names.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:24:51 2016 No.8638937 >>8638907 I have been struggling to name him for over a year I'm just gonna go with David or Joe at this point tbqh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:34:26 2016 No.8638965 >>8638937 Want to say a bit about him? I can try to suggest names.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:42:28 2016 No.8638987 >>8638965 Typical teen prot who enters a magical world. I just don't want to make it seem like what it is

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:42:34 2016 No.8638988 I hated GOT but holy shit Fevre Dream is quite good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:51:16 2016 No.8639015 >>8638987 Do you have a unique angle you're taking on it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 07:58:38 2016 No.8639028 >>8636967 Is your book one huge ironic meme?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 09:18:02 2016 No.8639165 T U E S D A Y U E S D A Y

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 10:10:45 2016 No.8639270 >>8639165 SOON O O N

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 10:24:27 2016 No.8639292 >>8639165 >>8639270 WHAT? H A T ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 10:42:28 2016 No.8639345 >>8638528 He set the first 300 pages as a previewable sample on amazon. You can read it there. I shudder to think how long the whole thing is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 10:43:36 2016 No.8639349 >>8638526 For what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 10:46:46 2016 No.8639360 >>8638532 >>8638724 I got bored and found an interview he did. It looked as though he didn't think book covers were all that important. I felt bad for him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 10:59:56 2016 No.8639408 >>8639345 He said he's been working on it for ten years. The changes in a person's ideology and mental state over such a long period would be too big to not affect the story. It's probably a mess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 12:10:36 2016 No.8639565 File: 151 KB, 490x770, 1476979836301.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8639292 >not being excited to the point of shilling

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 12:27:09 2016 No.8639613 >>8639565 Does brent weeks also smoke weed?

CS !ONk14TfQNk Thu Oct 20 12:38:42 2016 No.8639644

I have no doubt that Stevian Heartbound poured his heart and soul, over a decade, into writing his tome of fiction, the first three hundred pages of which are free. I admire writers who have the will to sit down and do the thing, because it's more than I can do.

But, jeez guy, what happened to putting out a few nicely formed novellas or short stories at the start of a writing career? They are far more approachable for the reader, and would improve your craft. Some of my favourite books are novellas, and I believe it is a great format for the time-poor modern age, and for e-readers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 13:38:45 2016 No.8639779 >>8639613 No, he's too busy scouring /tg/ for ideas.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 13:41:21 2016 No.8639787

>>8638821
Nah, I though that too, but it goes more into the symbology of their heralds' devices - each Knight is a living archetype or meme, so when the main police guy takes up a Gawain symbol on his riot shield, he sort of "becomes" Gawain, and it puts him in conflict with a Green Knight group.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 14:38:59 2016 No.8639949 >>8638455 >What's a good fantasy in which pre-science is advancing and the main character[s] are constantly learning and discovering new things? The Baroque Cycle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 14:41:27 2016 No.8639955 >>8638551 no m8 I've had my nose stuck in between the covers of All Besides I so much the wife was yelling and throwing things at me but I just couldn't stop reading it.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 14:46:35 2016 No.8639972

>>8638782
>that Golden Age short where this giant monster on a Venus-like planet thinks human starfighters are alien sperm and uses them to fertilize its eggs, transforming the ships into these awesome half-living craft that can totally wipe out the bad aliens
>that Golden Age short and its sequel where there are creatures living in the radio waves that have adopted the mannerisms of 40s comedy duos, and a mad scientist and his uplifted bear pal find a way to send bad smells over the airwaves to piss them off
>that Golden Age short where the surface is nuked and gone but giant tunneling tanks are still fighting each other underground
>that Golden Age short where a fungal infection makes the atmosphere collapse to ~2000 feet, the world is covered in fog, warriors with glass blades roam the countryside looking for adventure
Man that was all crazy stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 15:05:30 2016 No.8640019 >>8638472 Too bad everybody else has their own pet definition of what "high fantasy" and "low fantasy" mean, which makes everything you say about it worthless.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 15:27:05 2016 No.8640080

>>8640019
Just because everyone has a different definition of the terms doesn't mean they're hard to define. It just means a lot of idiots have developed their own definitions without once looking the terms up.
The anon you're replying to is almost spot on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 15:32:44 2016 No.8640103 What was/were the last book(s) that truly grabbed you and you couldn't stop reading? Feels like it's been a long time for me since I had something like that

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 15:49:49 2016 No.8640160 Beyond the Shadows by Brent Weeks. I read through it in one sitting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 15:52:27 2016 No.8640170 >>8640160 For a second I thought you were referring to the audio-exclusive short story. When you said one sitting I thought "wow congratulations smart ass"

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 16:56:10 2016 No.8640344 File: 12 KB, 233x209, next reads.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What should I read first /sffg/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 16:59:16 2016 No.8640351 >>8640344 The way Of kings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:01:28 2016 No.8640355 >>8640344 A Scanner Darkly and Blindsight are the only novels from the list that aren't fucking garbage, so one of the two.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:04:47 2016 No.8640363 >>8640344 Lightbringer Then Malazan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:05:50 2016 No.8640365 >>8640355 Also, forgot Hyperion. Hyperion is good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:09:24 2016 No.8640379 >>8640355 Why's Mythago Wood garbage?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:11:28 2016 No.8640385 >>8640379 He obviously hasn't read any of the books except the ones he calls good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:58:50 2016 No.8640504 >>8637619 Definitely nay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 18:01:43 2016 No.8640521 File: 65 KB, 422x751, 3dcfd651672964043bbb322771080d41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shilling for Bakker because Bashrags are hideously awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 18:52:22 2016 No.8640632 >>8640521 Fleshcrafting is the best. It should be utilized more often.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 18:58:26 2016 No.8640645

>>8638691
>Turtledove is a hack
It's fine, better than just trying to do old Germany, old France, etc. Then you have to try to get things right to respect the history, this way you just get to make shit up.
Harry Turtledove did a book about everyone teaming up and fighting WW2 against lizard people. You would like it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 18:58:31 2016 No.8640646 >>8640385 He's pretty easy to spot after a while since Blindsight is one of the only books he's read

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:00:04 2016 No.8640651 >>8639972 oh fuck that sounds like Kurt Vonnegut's Kilgore Trout character's stories

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:00:09 2016 No.8640652 >>8640521 If bashrags are 3 people combined, does that mean they have three sets of genitals?

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:11:40 2016 No.8640686

>>8640344
Read Hyperion, then A Scanner Darkly, then The Fifth Season and then Blindsight. Perhaps read the Emperor's Soul but only if you like Brandon's other books.

I finished the First Law but I thought that they were quite mediocre and City of Stairs was rubbish.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:31:37 2016 No.8640744

Anyone know of any books where the main character(s) are bandits/pirates?

And not good people fighting bad pirates/raiders (Inda) or raiders temporarily gone good (Abercrombie), I just want Black Company style bastards who still have logical motivations.

I'll even settle for space pirates

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:35:08 2016 No.8640754

>>8640344
Of what I've read

Fifth Season>Hyperion>Scanner>City of Stairs>Blindsight>Blade Itself

As for Finch it's great but it's better if you've read City of Saints and Madmen and Shriek

Hyperion's not first because the series as a whole falls off a cliff later on, it is the best book there

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:01:48 2016 No.8640833

>>8639644
>But, jeez guy, what happened to putting out a few nicely formed novellas or short stories
>...Some of my favourite books are novellas
>you must cater to my whims, because I, as a tripfag, am a note worthy person who you would do well not to offend
>filthy plebeian

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:05:59 2016 No.8640848 >>8640080 >I'm not supporting myself >>8638472 >I swear

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:07:34 2016 No.8640859 >>8640103 Mr Norrell and Jonathan Strange

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:08:16 2016 No.8640860
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>>8638987
>writing isekai shit
An hero, friend.

>>8638682
She had plenty of space as many of those elements were introduced early on then completely abandoned.

I do wish she'd write more in the Animorphs and Everworld series' though. She was definitely good at what she did but she can't write an ending.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:10:36 2016 No.8640865 >>8640646 But Cosmerefag read and likes Blindsight, and Cosmerefag wouldn't pass up a chance to shill Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:12:49 2016 No.8640868 >>8640632 Sanderson did it, and Weeks? Read a lot of books with people combining persons... is that Frankensteinesque?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:14:34 2016 No.8640873 File: 3.64 MB, 1836x3264, 20161020_191358.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Look what i picked up today. Very exciting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 21:07:34 2016 No.8641031 >>8640868 Weeks did a really weak job of it. It was really just thrown in at the end of the second book so Login had a boss monster to fight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 21:21:31 2016 No.8641071 I'll probably get crucified for this but the novelized Resident Evil series by S D Perry is pretty damn good for what it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 22:01:04 2016 No.8641168 This author made me actually forgive Norrell.... fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:12:38 2016 No.8641345 File: 2.77 MB, 3240x4628, joeabercrombie-c1-300dpi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is he, dare I say it, our guy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:19:36 2016 No.8641359 >>8641345 His books are shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:19:46 2016 No.8641361 >>8641345 He was a fucking /b/ poster, so no

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:21:12 2016 No.8641365 >>8641361 4chin would be much better if /b/tards weren't allowed to crosspost.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:21:57 2016 No.8641368

Thomas Covenant is interesting

Either he's meant to be a prick and Donaldson's an amazing writer or he's supposed to be sympathetic and he's the worst author ever

>>8641345
Abercrombie is like everything most of us whine about in modern fantasy
Needless destronstruction, half assed edge and endings that undo the entire book before them

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:24:53 2016 No.8641376 File: 1.38 MB, 1479x1100, 1457388032611.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8641368 First Law wouldn't be First Law without the anime tier edge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:29:44 2016 No.8641387 >>8640868 Everything the consult does with fleshcrafting is horrifying. A shame you don't see it much during the first series

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:31:55 2016 No.8641393 >>8641365 But I used to post on /b/ like 5 years ago, 2007 or 2008 I don't know

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:36:30 2016 No.8641409

>>8641376
It's not actually that edgy, that's what annoys me

Like it's edgy enough to seem extreme to kids who've grown up on YA but he's not actually using the edge to tell us anything about his world.

I don't like Bakker at all but at least that motherfucker is using the misery of his books for a reason

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:48:37 2016 No.8641436 >>8641359 His books are the premier examples of pomo fantasy. He is at the forefront of fantasy's eventual passage into true literature

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 23:55:12 2016 No.8641456 >>8641436 And so what that I smoke weed

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 00:15:16 2016 No.8641499 What are fantasy books about clever people discovering or inventing new shit constantly like The Grace of Kings or A Natural History of Dragons

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 00:33:55 2016 No.8641547

Can someone recommend me something with a good, entertaining story? I'm looking for something like Hyperion that I can get into and read for hours and hours

world building/scifi mumbo jumbo and all the rest being good doesn't matter as long as the story is great

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 00:42:53 2016 No.8641577 >i cant find anything I want to read anymore >I've dismissed so many popular books for bad reasons that I have nothing left

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:08:41 2016 No.8641627

How is China Meiville? I enjoyed The Last Days of New Paris despite it supposedly being crap and dropped Kraken twice for being long and boring despite liking the concept

Should I try something else by him?

What about Pratchet if I wasn't a fan of Mort or Good Omens?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:14:05 2016 No.8641634 >>8641577 Go read Oyasumi Punpun

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:23:17 2016 No.8641656 >>8638295 >>8638301 >>8638316 Sounds interesting. I'll read it if you publish it. I won't pay for it, but I will read it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:31:35 2016 No.8641667

>>8641627
His quality wobbles around, Kraken's definitely the one I've enjoyed least so far (think it was not only the length, but the very standard police procedural mold he tried to fit everything into - individual bits like Tattoo and the familiar strike were interesting, but as a whole it just seemed bland).

Maybe go with one of the short story collections for variety, or The City and The City which is sub-300 pages iirc

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:31:43 2016 No.8641668 >>8639972 Interesting if true. Can you give some names? Authors? I want to read that shit, seems like good shit. What are some good anthologies of Golden Age shorts?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:38:34 2016 No.8641674 >>8641627 Try the first of the City Watch books and of the Witch books. Wait. Before that, think on how much you understand/enjoy british humour. If you can't laugh at Monty Python and Blackadder, Pratchet will not work for you. At all.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:40:57 2016 No.8641678

Giving into these memes :
>Mythago Wood
>The Grace Of Kings
>The Library at Mount Char
>Blood of the Earth
>Goldenhand

Thinking of giving to into this
>Mercy Thompson book 1...but I see 90% females praising this... so that means that >>8627440 is female.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 01:45:52 2016 No.8641685 >>8641678 How is Grace of Kings a meme, I'm literally the only person I've seen mention it since last year

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 02:19:30 2016 No.8641751 File: 855 KB, 1323x1360, One hundred thousand memes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did NK Jemisin mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 02:42:04 2016 No.8641785 >>8641751 She fucked a girl (male).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 04:29:17 2016 No.8641915 >>8639972 Wow, you read even better stuff than I did. >bad smells over the airwaves So that's where Scotty got 'souring the milk' from.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 04:54:35 2016 No.8641949 >>8640645 He just made up some fantasy names and threw real events at them. In the background in between awful sex scenes. When the lizards invaded WWII it just turned into the Cold War.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 04:57:15 2016 No.8641955

>>8640860
>avatarfag telling someone else to commit suicide
We need more content coming out of this general. We've already got a few self-published novels and a couple of weak memes, but we still don't need haters on the team.

And the Animorphs ending was fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 04:57:46 2016 No.8641958 >>8641168 we told you pham

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 04:58:38 2016 No.8641961 >>8641499 Patricia C. Wrede's Frontier Magic series is all about discovering strange new magical creatures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 04:59:28 2016 No.8641963 >>8641674 Mort was pretty weak though anyway.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 05:03:06 2016 No.8641967

>>8641668
They were anthologies at my local library. I think they eventually gave them away because no one was checking them out, I might have one or two around. Usually it's just "The Golden Age of Science Fiction" or something like that. Haven't read them in years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 06:29:48 2016 No.8642092 >>8641958 At least the king is back, long live the king.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 06:37:07 2016 No.8642100 >>8641685 Well you've been shilling pretty hard, because I see that shit multiple times a thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 06:38:25 2016 No.8642104 File: 106 KB, 683x470, 1463667079779.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8641685 I'm going to try reading it. Don't disappointment me anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 07:36:04 2016 No.8642174 >>8641634 Another manga that gets praise because it slapped surreal art with a basic plot?

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 09:16:52 2016 No.8642326
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>book fair starting this Sunday

Fuck me, I almost forgot about it until a friend reminded me today.

Planning on getting Vance's Dying Earth and Le Guin's Earth. Might snatch the whole set of Conan stories. Never read those, but always was interested in them.

What are you planning to buy, /sffg/?

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 09:28:17 2016 No.8642348

>>8642326

Getting paid soon so I might get some pre-Tolkien fantasy and some good old 60s sci-fi, I don't mind reading older stories since I find them interesting but I'm very curious in sci-fi novels published during the nuclear fear of the 50s and 60s. Anything immediately I should read? Always been interested in Alas, Babylon and not nuclear related but I've had my eye on Slan for a good while considering I've had the anime adaptation on my HDD for a while now and I've heard it is pretty decent.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 09:38:34 2016 No.8642368 >>8642326 Earthsea* >>8642348 >pre-Tolkien fantasy Not sure if this would qualify, but you ever read The Night Land by Hodgson?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 09:41:32 2016 No.8642371 >>8642368 I did like House on the Borderland which I'm planning on re-reading because it's spooky season but thanks for the recommendation.

CS !ONk14TfQNk Fri Oct 21 10:38:37 2016 No.8642483

>>8642348
Philip K Dick wrote a lot of short stories in this period under the shadow of the nuclear threat, stories of post-fallout societies, or societies turned neurotic by nuclear anxiety. Any collection of his short stories will have a few of them e.g. The Defenders, Second Variety, Foster You're Dead.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 10:48:17 2016 No.8642509

Stanislaw Lem's The Futurological Congress. In the future overpopulation and squalor are addressed by 'mascons', powerful airborne drugs that simulate a more comfortable reality for everyone. Over the years drugs have become more advanced and more capable of replicating sensations and feelings. It is entirely conceivable that one day it will be possible to replicate any sensation, feeling or perception chemically with a high degree of accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 11:45:41 2016 No.8642681 >Inheritance Cycle awful

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 11:49:41 2016 No.8642696 >>8642681 >YA that is literally just LotR+Star Wars written by a 19 year old kid is bad Who would have guessed? I liked how he set up the Not!Orcs as a caste based Warrior society though, I never read past the second book admittedly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:04:16 2016 No.8642750 File: 2.82 MB, 640x800, barbarian.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any books with female barbarian protagonists?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:09:21 2016 No.8642762 >>8642750 >no glutes Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:18:09 2016 No.8642777 >>8642750 Who is this Cum Drum?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:32:57 2016 No.8642823 4 days

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:37:56 2016 No.8642836 >>8642823 Is this about that Breeks thing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:40:00 2016 No.8642840 File: 148 KB, 660x575, 1435083633870.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CHARACTER PLOT WORLD what's most important to YOU

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 12:40:53 2016 No.8642842 >>8642840 ALL THREE

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 13:10:30 2016 No.8642919 >>8642840 Doesn't matter, you just need good stuff for 2/4 minimum with the 4th being action

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 13:20:22 2016 No.8642945 >>8642840 Magic systems

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 13:56:59 2016 No.8643078 >>8642836 Hey Breeks anon, didn't see you in a while. Are you so autistic you can't say brent weeks?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:05:58 2016 No.8643102 >>8642092 And Honeyfoot gets to do magic again. Truly a happy ending. Has anyone read Ladies of Grace Adieu? Is it good?

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:12:41 2016 No.8643120

anyone here listen to the audiobook Free the Darkness by Kel Kade? I got it on a whim after seeing the reviews and the narrator (Nick Podehl) and despite the fact that the book is painfully obvious that it's written by a woman with all the sexualization of the MC...it was fun as hell.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:20:01 2016 No.8643148 >>8642840 THEMES >>8643078 Nah, I just think it's funny

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:23:00 2016 No.8643160 >>8643102 It's ok, but doesn't have the depth of Strange and Norrell (no footnotes, for one thing). Reads more like a collection of old folklore and fairy tales

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:27:28 2016 No.8643176 Hi guys. Any books with a femdom-ish teasy girl? Either as protag or heroine but has to have lots of screen time. The cheekier and younger the better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:29:24 2016 No.8643178 >>8643176 Witches of Karres. >>8643160 I guess she spent a really long time putting JSaMN together, can't expect a repeat this soon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 14:45:21 2016 No.8643224 >>8643160 >no footnotes Did anyone do any research to see if any of those footnotes are real?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:08:26 2016 No.8643294 >>8643224 Good luck getting your hands on actual books of magic outside of a university library you're a grad student at.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:20:06 2016 No.8643334 >>8641387 It's horrifyingly awesome. Bakker basically ripped off the Tleilaxu from Dune and added dragons and rapey aliens. I won't be surprised if it later turns out that Tekne has its own version of Axolotl tanks (which would be awesome).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:21:31 2016 No.8643341 >>8642750 I think she has silicone breasts. Not barbarian (but still hot)/10.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:33:05 2016 No.8643370 >>8642840 Character. Well made characters with goals and ambitions will develop a plot on their own. Too many fantasy writers focus on world-building then populate it with shit. >>8642836 Yep. Get hyped for more wacky antics from those Guile boys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:44:57 2016 No.8643397 >>8643370 >two bastard kids who you have to accept as your sons, even though theyre your brother's. One born from the the woman you love to. How can one character be so cucked?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:53:41 2016 No.8643418 >>8643397 Is it stated that Gavin was the father?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 15:57:01 2016 No.8643426 How long does it take until Hyperion becomes engaging?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 16:10:50 2016 No.8643462 >>8643294 So they are real and she just wrote a fictional story surrounding them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 16:12:41 2016 No.8643466 >>8643397 >uncle pretending to be your father Sucks man

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 16:37:17 2016 No.8643528 Even LOTR Odd Roadside Picnic Zero Words of Radiance

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 17:01:33 2016 No.8643579

>>8643462
>Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
>fictional
Sure there's a lot of conjecture in the book and of course she came up with the dialogue but that's pretty much the agreed-on version of the Napoleonic wars at this point.
>mfw Northumbrexit failed again

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:02:24 2016 No.8643736

I know we never talk about Dresden Files unless a new book comes out, but can someone please explain to me why Dresden never trained the Alpha Wolves in using magic?

Their lycanthropy is canonically a spell, and a fairly complicated one at that seeing as it requires the modification of the human body, but he doesn't even bother to teach them anything else, despite the fact that at they are almost as strong as binder.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:17:15 2016 No.8643758 >>8643736 I might be remembering this wrong, but for that kind of werewolf, the only spell they can use is the one that shifts them. Although how the wolf woman taught some randoms the trick/just happened across people with the knack, I don't know/

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:20:46 2016 No.8643769 Anyone else read The Wheel of Time as a Masonic Fiction?

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:27:17 2016 No.8643782

>>8643758
It's the only trick they know, not the only one they're capable of, but talents matter.

I figure they should at least be able to shapeshift like Listens To Wind, though they might lack the animal instincts they have for being wolves.

Honestly, provided Listens To Wind survived the plague Ariana dropped during Changes, he would have been able to teach them a lot. He knew Terra, the were-human who taught the alphas, for all we know he was the one who taught her to become a human

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:34:00 2016 No.8643806

>>8643782
Frankly, I've got no idea whether I'm actually basing this on anything, but I thought that Wizards just sort of have access to anything they can learn, and that they're pretty rare, whereas it's a bit more common to have someone with one talent only, otherwise it would be really strange to have so many potential wizards all at the college at once.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:40:31 2016 No.8643827 >>8643806 I know that white council wizards are rare (maybe like 500 before the war) and sorcerers are more common, but I also thought it was because of a lack of magical awareness and training, or because of simple over-specialization

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:45:19 2016 No.8643848

>>8643736
I remember he had a lot of shit going on, and didn't want to train anyone aka take responsibility for them.
Also anyone he trained would have a target permanently stapled to their head.

He was forced to take Molly's training because she would have died, and he owes Michael for saving him a bunch of times.
So he in good consciousness couldn't let his friend's daughter die when he could have done something to help.

Of course I could be remembering this wrong, and mixing up Anita Blake and Iron Druid into the mix, both have were-creatures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:49:28 2016 No.8643861 File: 138 KB, 1080x893, 0815-ursula-le-guin-2_qrm2pm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hbd to this qt

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:50:52 2016 No.8643866 >>8643848 I mean, he takes responsibility for them constantly. Maybe he just didn't have the time to teach a crown of college students who weren't at risk of going warlock

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:52:18 2016 No.8643869

>>8643827
I don't think it's ever really been said how to tell if someone has any talent at all.

It seems like they just wait for people to do major magic, then either kill them or train them depending on what they did.

I assume they miss some, and there are some self taught wizards about.

it seems like there's much more people with minor talents about (the para-netters)

I think a 'sorcerer' can be just about anyone, so long as they know the specific rituals or whatever.

I don't know how single talent people fit in, I just assumed that some people only have a talent for one magical thing, like binder.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 18:55:52 2016 No.8643877 >>8643861 She died in 1975.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 19:19:21 2016 No.8643935
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This book isn't bad so far, but this series is waaaaaaaaaaay too long for its own good. Just cut out half the POVs please, Harry. I know on one level that's just being true to life, WWI also being really drawn out and aimless with no appreciable progress anywhere. But reading about pointless slaughter after pointless slaughter is starting to fatigue me. Especially in light that this war is only half over.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 20:03:52 2016 No.8644048 >>8643426 Read hyperion for the funsies. It ends on a cliffhanger (as you've probably heard) and the sequel isn't worth reading (as you've probably heard) so if you aren't enjoying it after Kassad's story just quit now

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 20:21:47 2016 No.8644089 So I've been writing a novel for the longest time as a love letter to my favorite genre of scifi which is sorely underrepresented in printed form. As a method of testing the waters, would any of you read a mecha+powered armor science fantasy novel?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 20:58:41 2016 No.8644161 >>8644089 Sure. Point out it's location once it's done and I'll go check it out while the other half of the thread shouts at you.

Anonymous Fri Oct 21 21:04:19 2016 No.8644175

>>8643935
That's how he writes everything.

OK, let me spoil it for you. US beats CS with tanks. Canada and Utah get occupied with terrorist attacks, Quebec is an independent puppet state, the South gets off with an unfair peace treaty and losing a little clay. They have to pay reparations, which ruins their economy and allows this guy named Featherston and his goons to take power, as he blames the loss of the war on the blacks. CSA modernizes while USA doesn't, reclaims, what, West Texas and Kentucky for living room, does a false flag attack and invades the US. Patton leads a big offensive towards Philadelphia but it gets bogged down and yeah it's Stalingrad, Turtledove's special snowflake donut steel general beats him or something, Featherston can't win the war because he's busy gassing blacks, and all this is going on in the background while Soldier #48 is getting a blowjob before the POV switches to Housewife #91 giving a blowjob. And they complain about sunburn or cigarretes or whatever. And I guess the Mormons are now Muslims with suicide bombers and everything.

And it all just happens. Nobody changes or grows. There are no moments of catharsis or redemption, no real tragedy even. Winston Churchill is leading Nazi Britain because it's different lol but that's just window dressing, because the whole thing is window dressing for a timeline.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 21:06:50 2016 No.8644181 >>8643869 You can tell magical strength just by physical contact, though that's not always the best route. Sorcerer just means "one-trick-wizard." Rituals don't even need magical talent as long as they can close a circle

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 21 21:58:20 2016 No.8644326 >>8644175 >And they complain about sunburn or cigarretes or whatever. Uh, don't forget about people complaining about how shitty their coffee tastes since there's Chicory mixed in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 00:04:42 2016 No.8644684 >>8642840 Honestly I'm more into cool ideas. I'm not sure if they are WORLD or not.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:33:43 2016 No.8644863

>>8642840
World. But I don't just want it explained to me exposition dumps. Just like a strip tease, I want to be titillated by gradually revealing the good stuff and making me obsess over the hidden parts. Having everything just laid bare in a matter of fact way is dull, it does not excite my worldbuilding boner. This only applies to new series though.

When it comes to staying power and re-reading, characters are king. If I really like the characters and find them comfortable to read, I'll come back to a story long after I've figured out all the secrets to its setting. There's comfort in going back to a set of characters you like, like putting on a well worn pair of shoes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:45:57 2016 No.8644881 >>8644175 I read through the wikipedia article just now. I must admit that it's funny, but it still just reads like bad fan fiction, no more, no less.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:49:23 2016 No.8644887 >>8640019 Just ignorant and uneducated people who never learned the proper definitions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:12:53 2016 No.8644915 >>8642840 Character > Plot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> World

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:17:51 2016 No.8644923 >>8638412 Obviously wrong otherwise all fiction without any magic would be defined as 'low fantasy'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:21:54 2016 No.8644932 >>8638404 Low fantasy = involves the real world in some way High fantasy = completely self contained fictional world, no connection to reality >>8638584 >in real life shit happens (that can be considered magical) If you're a moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:36:05 2016 No.8644968 File: 157 KB, 655x1080, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone read this book/series? If so should i read it? If you have a better suggestion help a pleb that loves fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:58:43 2016 No.8644996 File: 579 KB, 564x962, 1473769973507.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8644968 Locke Lamora is a fun romp.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:59:38 2016 No.8644999

>>8644968
The book starts really well but then peters out, finishing in sequence out of an 80s action movie (which could be your thing, idk).

What really annoyed me about the book is how incredibly dumb everyone outside of Locke was. The writer tried to make him out to be this cunning master conman, but since he's not clever enough to write an actual master conman he settled for making everyone else have the intelligence and common sense of a fourteen-year-old to make Locke look clever by comparison.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:12:49 2016 No.8645014

>>8644996
i enjoyed the first few chapters i guess. I like the not so blind priest but stopped the chapter after that.
>>8644999
>sequence out of an 80s action movie
>everyone else have the intelligence and common sense of a fourteen-year-old
Thanks. This really makes me reconsider.

I really enjoyed pic related and the following book. Started it over right when I finished only skipping a few drug out parts.Not sure what the consensus is on it here. Thoughts anyone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:14:12 2016 No.8645016 File: 137 KB, 665x1080, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8645014

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:17:56 2016 No.8645021 >>8642945 What books would you recommend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:19:52 2016 No.8645024 >>8645016 >approximately four times slower than Locke Lamora >book two is entirely magic elf sex Are you trying to put that anon off reading forever?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:20:04 2016 No.8645025 That's a strange thing to admit in a "fantasy and sci-fi" thread.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Sat Oct 22 03:21:24 2016 No.8645027 >>8645024 >>book two is entirely magic elf sex sounds literally better than any book of locke lamora

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:24:00 2016 No.8645030 File: 1.08 MB, 1000x1000, 1474439051910.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8645025 >on /lit/ >'""""sounds""""

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:26:30 2016 No.8645032 File: 1.08 MB, 1000x1000, 1453326826173.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8645027 >on /lit/ >'""""sounds""""

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:35:22 2016 No.8645047

>>8645024
I didn't mind Felurian the first read. Was worth it because the parts that lead up to it I really enjoyed. Granted i did skip most of the Felurian and a good amount of the Ademre shit. 2nd book wasn't as strong but all the foreshadowing of whats to come and the story/world itself I like. But as I said before i'm as pleb as they get. Just really love fantasy but don't want to put in time into something to pretty much realize its garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:49:16 2016 No.8645062 >>8644968 First book is pretty good and fun. Second is mediocre. Haven't read the third, heard it's worse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:50:42 2016 No.8645064 >>8645062 The third reads like the depressed ramblings of a waifufag. Serviceable, but nowhere near as good as the first two.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 05:49:59 2016 No.8645222 Why is goldenhand such a boring piece of shit I was so excited for this

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 06:21:00 2016 No.8645273 >>8644881 That's how most alternate history is, unless its semi /lit/ like Man in the High Castle or The Years of Rice and Salt

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 07:16:07 2016 No.8645370 >>8636700 What are some good smut recommendations /sffg/ I need to read some for research purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 08:07:53 2016 No.8645448 >>8645222 His publishers probably made him write a sequel and Nix was probably, aww fuck that series has already ended.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:30:16 2016 No.8645806 >>8644968 In contrast to the anons that already posted, I think the first book is complete crap.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:40:42 2016 No.8645840
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>>8645370
Related question to this anon, is sex ever done well in SFF? It's kind of an important part of the novel I'm writing, but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of sex-focused SFF working well, and that's kind of depressing (I liked the sex in The Wind-Up Girl, but I'm not sure if it counts).

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:48:59 2016 No.8645866

>>8644887
>I am the sole authority of high/low fantasy definition.
>uneducated rabble
>concern yourselves not, with matters of importance

Fuck off and kys fagget.
Just like the dictionary (words), the definition of something also evolves.

That may have been the meaning decades ago, but we have Sanderson, Erickson and their progeny to deal with these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:52:03 2016 No.8645874 >>8644932 >If you're a moron Did you mean to say Mormon? Kek. Maybe another religious denomination?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:56:40 2016 No.8645886 File: 1.68 MB, 2000x3000, Modern Fantasy Recs V2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8644968 Psstt Hey anon. Have a gander at my wares.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:58:03 2016 No.8645888 >>8645025 Why are you taking to yourself redshitor? You like to out yourself as a newfag huh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 10:59:19 2016 No.8645890 >>8645222 I was supposed to be a trilogy. Why would you write a fifth book?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 11:02:30 2016 No.8645902 >>8645840 >>8645370 Read female romance novels eg The immortal series by joy nash Later Anita Blake books

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:23:31 2016 No.8646153 File: 148 KB, 496x279, 1477111512516.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8645902

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:30:44 2016 No.8646191 >>8645886 Where's To Kill A God?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:35:03 2016 No.8646206 whats the most generic (goblins, orcs, elves etc) fantasy book/series around that also isn't painful to read

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:35:30 2016 No.8646209

Where do you guys get your books? I live in the middle of nowhere so actually ordering physical copies is out of the question, it takes 4+ weeks for them to arrive and costs $50+ in shipping.

I've got a bunch digitally off Amazon, but I absolutely despite the Kindle reader so I've been looking for somewhere I can get them in .epub format, but I haven't been able to find any that are consistently good quality. Some have very obviously been digitized by shoddy text scanners that always mix up "rr" with "m" etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:38:49 2016 No.8646223 >>8646209 mirc

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:47:09 2016 No.8646243 >>8646209 Google. Also get over the Kindle thing, there's no reason at all to not own one in 2016.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:56:37 2016 No.8646268 >>8646209 Library Genesis load them on my kobo aura hd

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:31:36 2016 No.8646364 >>8646191 I don't put books I haven't read. I didn't read your book Stevian, and I don't think I will.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:39:19 2016 No.8646394

I have read a lot of books. A few I liked a lot, most where meh while a few I detested. There is however a list of books so bad their existence offends me.

I am reading C. J. Cherryh - Cyteen . It is a depressing read. It's the type of book that sucks so bad I can't really describe it.

I have been told over and over again, women are amazing, they can write, Or at least they are as good as men. I should try them out...so here I am. 27 authors and 40 novels. That's my investment in "womankind". Hundreds of hours of reading and I can safely say women can't write for shit.

C. J. Cherryh was the "endgame". I have left her, Ursula LeGuin and that fritz woman for last.... and i'm done. I have read half of cyteen, it's quite a long book. It is so bad and it's an example on why women suck. So much fucking feelings. Nothing happens. I want to FEEL when reading books and THINK, those are the 2 main reason I read books. I can't FEEL anything if nothing fucking happens. There is no excitement. I can't get invested. It's like seeing an orderly debate about politics. The implications of what they are saying could be HUGE for the whole human species, but without a proper story to frame, they are only 2 old guys talking and unless you are autistic you won't get excited much...

This has happened over and over again. The best I can hope for is a few ideas or scenes in each book. I can literally pick up a random Malazan book ( which was good but not amazing in my eyes) and it will have more merit than the whole 40 women books I have read.

There are many shit male authors, but comparing the numbers you need to be masochistic to try out women. This is a warning for anyone who wants to do as I did. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME READING BOOKS WRITTEN BY WOMEN!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:41:56 2016 No.8646399 >>8646394 Give Handmaid's Tale a shot. I guess it's dystopian/science fiction-ish. And not sff but Virginia Woolfs prose is very pleasant to read.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:51:51 2016 No.8646429

>>8645866
>the meaning of words evolve over time
You realise this argument cuts both ways right?
If a certain meaning is applied to a word often enough it will become an accepted definition. Likewise if enough of us tell faggots like you that you're wrong everytime you misuse 'high fantasy' and 'low fantasy' we can reject the new definition.
I think that's for the best. These are terms for describing sub-genres. Giving them new meanings or changing old ones overcomplicated things. The old definitions still work for contemporary fantasy so they don't need to be changed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:56:34 2016 No.8646449 >>8646268 This (gen.lib.rus.ec)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:57:15 2016 No.8646451 >>8646209 Audiobooks are great, especially if you drive a lot or do some kind of manual labor. Audible regularly has deals on book credits, and even gives some decent recommendations.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:57:56 2016 No.8646454
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Guise, guise!

We all know that Meme Wolfe's quadrology about Memerian is, among other things, a parable over christianity.

What would you say if I told you that there's at least one retard that can't see the face valuve of Memerian (egads, a torturer!) and therefore calls it nihilism?

Well, look no further:

lennart-svensson blogspot se/2016/04/book-news-science-fiction-seen-from.html

>The following is another take on the subject of nihilism in science fiction:

>>[N]ovels like Gene Wolfe’s The Book of the New Sun (1980-1983), Sam J. Lundwall’s No Time for Heroes (1971) and Harry Harrison’s Bill, the Galactic Hero (1965) are all rather enjoyable, the first for its accomplished style, the latter two for their drive and wit. -- That said, to have an executioner as main character (Wolfe) overall leads out into nothingness, as does the banterings of the other two, I figure. A hero is led by Will, Truth and Compassion; an antihero is a symbol of the opposite, of decadence, whose core concept is nihilism. If you accept that, then these books can be estimated at their true value. Just don’t come and say that they’re some kind of alltime, essential classics pointing the way ahead. For this some embracing of ideals is needed, some spiritual elevation. [p 332]

There's wrong and then there's self-published wrong...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 13:59:11 2016 No.8646460 >>8646454 >can't see the face valuve of Memerian Sorry, meant to write see beyond the face value.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 15:48:45 2016 No.8646814

>>8645866
I'm not any kind of authority, I'm just telling you the way it is. Rather than accept that you're uninformed on the topic though you'd rather just make an ass out yourself hiding behind linguistic relativity, the last refuge of the stubbornly ignorant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 15:50:28 2016 No.8646822 I haven't read much fantasy. What kind of fantasy novels do you think a hard sci-fi autist would enjoy?

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 15:52:45 2016 No.8646832

>>8646209
Used book stores, either brick and mortar or online retail, even eBay in a pinch. I grew to dislike reading books digitally from my college years, and I now associate reading off a screen with the drudgery of assigned academic readings. Plus I've been reading physical copies my whole life so I see no reason to change that. Helps that there's many good used book stores in my area.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 15:54:59 2016 No.8646836 >>8646822 I don't think you'd enjoy any of it since you like hard sci-fi and fantasy is the antithesis of that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 15:55:01 2016 No.8646837 >>8646822 Fantasy by definition is very far removed from hard scifi. But you might like "Black Sun Rising" and maybe "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell".

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:01:21 2016 No.8646851

Why is it that sci-fi subgenres are fairly straight forward and distinct yet fantasy subgenres are vague and redundant?

In sci-fi you have subgenres like space operas, speculative sci-fi, cyberpunk, etc. It's clear what you're talking about and what they entail. But in fantasy you have stuff like "epic fantasy" and "sword and sorcery" or "heroic fantasy" which all describe basically the same thing. You have ones like urban fantasy which are a little more clear, but for the most part the fantasy genre doesn't seem to have any real clear sub-categorization.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:04:07 2016 No.8646854

>>8646394
>I can't FEEL anything if nothing fucking happens. There is no excitement. I can't get invested. It's like seeing an orderly debate about politics.
Why would you read Cyteen if you don't like that kind of book? Stick to pulp if you are unable to enjoy stories that lack anime-style battles, cretin :3

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:07:04 2016 No.8646869 >>8646364 I jokingly asked

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:24:50 2016 No.8646931 >>8646851 Don't forget "mythopeic fantasy" and "New Weird"

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:31:51 2016 No.8646956

>>8646836
I dunno. It's not like I read sci-fi for realistic descriptions of space ships. I'm more into exploration of cool ideas like in Blindsight or Snow Crash for example. The closet things to fantasy that I really enjoyed were Borges and TES lore, so maybe I'd enjoy a book with interesting world building and magic system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:33:46 2016 No.8646964 File: 46 KB, 260x395, thing-itself.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8646956 >exploration of cool ideas like in Blindsight bam

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:34:33 2016 No.8646966 >>8645273 So basically when the history's not the focus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 16:37:32 2016 No.8646978 bazinga >>8646974 >>8646974 >>8646974 >>8646974

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 19:17:05 2016 No.8647405 >>8646394 >...

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