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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:20:27 2016 No.8628338 [Reply] [Original]

Worst Of The Worst Edition

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Previous Thread: >>8621274

What was the worst sci-fi/fantasy book you've ever read? Hard Mode: Don't say 'Dune'

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:21:45 2016 No.8628341 >>8628338 Star Wars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:25:09 2016 No.8628347 It wasn't bad but That Hideous Strength got going so slow that I dropped it and then never finished it. Shame because the first two were great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:26:16 2016 No.8628349 >>8628338 Lightbringer

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:27:33 2016 No.8628351 Worst Sff Old Man's War Prince of Nothing Peridio Street Station Starship Troopers Name of the Wind The Blade Itself War of the Worlds American Gods Malazan

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:45:09 2016 No.8628373
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Reading Dunes sequels experience so far:

Messiah
>hate paul/paul and chani chapters
>stupid philosophical musings that make no sense (empty arguments for why laws are always evil and constant depiction of religion through an edgy atheist perspective of a 14yo)
>muh prescience, superior all knowing mind is such a drag meme

Children of Dune
>hate leto and ghanimas chapters
>wow 9 year old kids with the most awesome intelligence in the entire universe and throughout all of history, how can one bear such burden of superiority??

Most of the other chapters and characters are cool, though Stilgar is slowly turning into a whining bitch. Should i just give up? I basically cannot stand the main characters anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 06:47:43 2016 No.8628377 >>8628373 The next one is really tight. After that it's take-it-or-leave-it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 07:17:24 2016 No.8628423 >>8628349 Don't touch Night Angel then...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 07:32:32 2016 No.8628448 >>8628338 >What was the worst sci-fi/fantasy book you've ever read? Ready Player One

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 07:33:54 2016 No.8628450 >>8628338 Du- Assassin's Apprentice I guess. Or Mistborn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 08:00:44 2016 No.8628488 >>8628338 Worst? Proably Sirens of Titan. or 1984. or yes, Dune

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 08:46:29 2016 No.8628567 File: 46 KB, 334x500, 51LgmqA3pYL._SL1500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >What was the worst sci-fi/fantasy book you've ever read? Hard Mode: Don't say 'Dune' Easy one

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:06:06 2016 No.8628604 >>8628338 Recommendations for big sprawling epic fantasy? I'm done with college for the year and I want an adventure. Have read Martin's series and WoT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:08:01 2016 No.8628610 >>8628347 There's actually two versions of That Hideous Strength, one edited for brevity/flow and the UNCUT version that preserves all of Lewis' monologues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:09:53 2016 No.8628614 >>8628338 Battlefield Earth. The Iron Dream was also terrible but at least had an interesting concept.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:14:17 2016 No.8628621

>>8628604
Tad Williams for pretty generic epic fantasy. Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is the usual recommendation.
Shannara for a slightly worse version of Tad Williams.
ASOIAF if you don't mind no magic and getting blueballed.
Sanderson if you like anime. Seriously he's not bad if you're a typical fantasy reader, lots of people like him.
Lyonesse if you want my personal opinion of something good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:16:11 2016 No.8628624 >>8628567 Pleb confirmed. And since I'm posting anyway, The Mote in God's Eye is probably the worst sci-fi/fastasy book I've ever read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:17:17 2016 No.8628627 >>8628621 >Lyonesse Oh yeah, I've heard Vance's name mentioned in a mostly positive light around here, I'll give that one a go. Thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:17:33 2016 No.8628629 Reminder that threads like these should be banned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:21:11 2016 No.8628632 >>8628629 This is /sffg/, a long-running general discussion thread for science fiction and fantasy. Do you think general threads should be banned? Would you rather a world where people create a lot of 6-reply threads for general questions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:21:19 2016 No.8628633 >>8628604 Bakker baby

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:23:12 2016 No.8628637 File: 1.46 MB, 3840x2160, 1473836376629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8628629

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:32:29 2016 No.8628653

>>8628338
>Worst

I don't know about ever, but recently?

Kim Stanley Robinson's Forty Signs of Rain. It's like a meandering, disengaged ramble about bureaucratic scientists who I assume will fight global warming in some sequel down the line. Trash. And disappointing too. I had just read and loved Aurora so I had hoped for more out of him.

The other dog was The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K Le Guin. Noble savages versus greedy ebil men. Just horrible. Apparently it started as a short story and should have stayed that way. I read several other novels of the Hainish cycle at the same time and this book cast a pall over all of them.

Seems like it's pretty easy to go wrong with environmentally messaged stories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 09:35:10 2016 No.8628659 >>8628653 The Word for World is Forest is what 150 pages long? It's almost a novella. I personally liked it more than Dispossessed and Left Hand of Darkness.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 12:11:07 2016 No.8629032

>Another sophisticated thought virus offered for sale was the Self-Referencing Fulfillment routine, published by the Subjectivist School. This routine promised that the user, aided by artificial programs, would enjoy all the sensations and experiences of genius-level artistic creation. The user's standards of valuation and ability to critique himself would be blotted away in a wash of endorphins, false memories, and self-sustaining sophistries. Everything the user made or did would seem -- seem to himself -- to be a work of supreme magnificence.

I want one.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 13:42:56 2016 No.8629275

Worst scifi book? Warp Speed by Travis S. Taylor. Amongst other things the main character is a Gary Stu self insert who wins a martial arts competition with broken ribs and then invents a perpetual motion machine while high on painkillers, which his astronaut girlfriend takes into space but the Chinese sabotage it and start a war because they're perfidious orientals. Then American soldiers hijack civilian airliners and 9/11 them into Chinese cities, which is then rendered totally pointless because ~are hero~ uses his perpetual motion machine to just blow up the cities.

It's like Ready Player One was a power fantasy for loosers with STEM degrees and was written by a racist. (well, more so than Cline's "REE ARR TARK RIKE DISS!" Asian characters)

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 14:18:22 2016 No.8629376

Worst SciFi book I ever read was Starfist Lazarus. It was like the worst jingoistic over explained attempt at military science fiction ever. Hell the antagonist was ripped right out of the Nazi episode of Star Trek with the marines battling SciFi Nazi Germany.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 14:38:59 2016 No.8629460 >>8628338 I was unimpressed with Blood Music by Greg Bear. It has a disjointed plot, clunky dialogue, cardboard characters and too much jargon. It is a well regarded piece of hard sci-fi, with several awards, but it left me unmoved.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 14:50:25 2016 No.8629523 File: 1.40 MB, 1268x2102, Space_War_Blues.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8628338 >What was the worst sci-fi/fantasy book you've ever read? I don't know about worst, but this one was pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 15:01:32 2016 No.8629556 welp, I finished The Wall Of Storms. What next? Do I reread Skin Game or try Death's End

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 15:17:26 2016 No.8629622

For the beast anon.

>>8628215
>>>8627578 #
Just give nagas the power to turn people to stone and you have your beast.
>some offshoot of the naga species.
>Gained the ability to pretrify prey, also uses ability to flee from predators and rivals.
>stone naga's(give it your own name) gaze causes the recipient's skin to calcifie at an alarmingly rapid rate
>prey's internals are untoucn
>prey usually spends up to 5minutes suffocating because heart failure occurs
>naga then approaches prey and inject liquefying protein through calcified layer that dissolves tissue and bone
>returns 8 hours later to drink prey through a special appendage (modify the tube that allows snakes to breathe while swallowing, to be able to pierce the calcified layer and drink up the soup)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 15:19:39 2016 No.8629630 Did urban fantasy anon get his fix?

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Mon Oct 17 16:01:18 2016 No.8629751
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On a recommendation from /sffg/, I listened to "The Voice from the Edge, Volume 1: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream", a collection of Harlan Ellison's short stories, read by the author. I mostly wanted to hear "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" which I gather may be his most famous story. In the author's preface, Ellison mentions as much while he believes "Grail" to be his best story, which is fortuitously included in this volume.

There are nine stories in the collection:

>I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream

A group of scientists accidentally create artificial intelligence which then traps their souls as punishment for their crime of creation.

I found the idea underpinning this story so striking as to render the story itself superfluous. Writing it out seems almost vulgar once you have pictured the horrifying reality of creating something that then has the power to punish you infinitely for it, if it so chooses.

>Laugh Track

A man's aunt's voice is used for a laugh track in television. He comes across the tape while working in the industry.

This is my favorite performance in the collection. Ellison's writing is never more suited to his narration here: fast-paced and frenetic, snide and cynical, while relatable and lovable.

>Grail

A soldier's girlfriend is fatally wounded and tells him the secret of the quest for True Love, which he afterward undertakes.

Grail is a solid story but the ending is a little bland. The occult theme of this story seems almost pedestrian when compared to some of the offbeat ideas in this collection. I liked it but I didn't find it thought-provoking.

>"Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman

An alter-ego character named the Harlequin disrupts an Orwellian society until he is captured.

This story won a Nebula in 1965 for the book George Orwell published in 1949.

>The Very Last Day of a Good Woman

A mama's boy is granted the ability to see the near future. He foresees the end of humanity, which triggers an obsession with losing his virginity.

/r9k/ finally conceives a scenario in which they might get laid.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Mon Oct 17 16:03:47 2016 No.8629758
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>>8629751

>The Time of the Eye

A soldier convalescing in hospital meets a blind woman who turns out to have been a supermodel.

This story again dabbles in the occult, or perhaps more accurately horror, genre. Ellison does a very good job with this one, writing a taut thriller while disguising it as a romance.

>Paladin of the Lost Hour

An old man is saved from a group of thugs by a stranger while visiting his wife's grave. The old man insinuates himself into the stranger's life and bequeaths him a strange inheritance.

"Paladin" is another average story although it does tug a few emotional strings.

>The Lingering Scent of Woodsmoke

An emigrant Nazi is accosted decades after the war while visiting Germany.

What if Israeli Nazi-hunters were transposed with dryads? I'm surprised this one didn't win a Nobel.

>A Boy and His Dog

In a post-apocalyptic future, a boy and his augmented dog scrabble for scraps in the rubble of the American Dream.

My guess is there are several different subtextual meanings to this story that were designed to attract awar--oh hey, it won the '69 Nebula. I could just be snarky and say it's "MGTOW meets Mad Max" but it's a fun story, if lewd. I rate it likable but the evoked ideas are dead ends.

---

I went in with a bit of a bias against science fiction short stories, as the ones I've read usually come off as nerds trying to impress each other with their pet profundities (/lit/). I should have been doubly repelled by Ellison's linguistic style, with its Beatnik echoes and the ironic praise of vernacular over prose. If I had read these, I may well have been. However, Ellison's narration is unbelievably good. If you're getting into writing and you're wondering how your stories should sound to you if you're reading them aloud to yourself, listen to this man orally copulate with his writing. I would certainly listen to more of Ellison's stories.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 17:01:22 2016 No.8629953

>>8628604
Tad Williams' Shadowmarch series. You could read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn like >>8628621 suggested but I feel like TW improved over time and his best work to date is probably Shadowmarch. Though I haven't read MSaT in a long time so it might be better than my memory gives it credit for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 17:13:38 2016 No.8630005 >>8628338 Rainbow's End was utter trash

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 17:46:47 2016 No.8630134 Who has the best magic system?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 17:55:24 2016 No.8630171 >>8630134 Bellairs in Face in the Frost, e.g. "wizards do what they want."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 17:59:08 2016 No.8630189 Can anyone rec me some fantasy which is action focused but without any large scale battles? I feel like almost every time an author goes bigger than a skirmish the action becomes hard to follow

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 18:00:47 2016 No.8630192 >>8628423 Not the same dude but I think Lightbringer is way worse Night Angel knows it's edgy schlock and it does that alright. Lightbringer tries to be something epic and fails

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 18:13:36 2016 No.8630260 >The dark lord was a pawn for the evil dark god who was renounced by humanity long ago >Evil dark god turned out to have been a pawn by long forgotten good god who was testing humanity's might in face of future threats

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 18:17:08 2016 No.8630272 >>8630260 >World is said to be in their version of hell due to ancient long ago war >Hero and his party go to send it back to their version of heaven >When they make it to heaven it turns out iy's actually hell and vice versa

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 18:25:03 2016 No.8630306 File: 78 KB, 391x657, jx2mtdrtpwvm7hhdrnhf (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] promotes save-scumming

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 18:30:59 2016 No.8630325 >>8630189 City of blades. The first volume has a fight scene against a kraken I had trouble following. The fight scene against a trickster god was hard to follow as well. Eh. You could get a sample from amazon or pirate it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:04:20 2016 No.8630423 File: 2.07 MB, 4237x3000, a63dee658b8e57a4af3cd59de03f3798.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any SFF with a comfy late-industrial setting and/or True Neutral morality like Kino's Journey?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:09:15 2016 No.8630439 >>8630423 Kino isn't neutral, it's star trek tier obvious moral messages.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:12:30 2016 No.8630451 >>8630439 Yeah, about being neutral. She doesn't take sides ever, she's just out to see things and not die. It gets a lot more interesting in the novels when he stops lifting Twilight Zone plots.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Mon Oct 17 19:18:30 2016 No.8630472 >>8630306 to avoid being anally probed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:22:08 2016 No.8630485 >>8630451 Kino is a passive observer, basically a non character who is there just so you can follow someone going around.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:29:50 2016 No.8630510

>>8630485
Not at all, her morality is the focus of the story, how she reacts to what she sees. There's a story in the LN where she finds a bridge across an ocean, and nobody knows where it came from or how it was built, but she finds inscriptions along the middle of it telling how this tribe came to know that they were descended from convicts sent to build a bridge, then decided their entire purpose in life was to build it. They ran out of stone when it was almost finished and used their own bones to fill the gaps.

Kino just smiles and stays a few days, seemingly just happy that they found something to dedicate themselves to. She won't lift a finger to save someone from being mugged though, that's their business.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:45:54 2016 No.8630561 >>8629523 Really? Because it looks awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:52:04 2016 No.8630576 >>8630561 Most of it is written in gibberish to emulate the very strongest southern drawl. Incredibly painful to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 19:53:24 2016 No.8630582 >>8630306 Also, All You Need is Kill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 20:32:32 2016 No.8630701 What are some legitimate criticism of bakker ? From what i can tell u guys hate him

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 20:44:20 2016 No.8630729 >>8630472 to avoid instant death. iirc there's two good ends and 4000 bad ends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 20:47:20 2016 No.8630739 Is it a meme here that Dune is bad? I hope not cause I'm not that well read in sci-fi but Dune is legit awful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 20:52:22 2016 No.8630758 the dreck churned out by the Sad Puppies there is a reason why they dont win popular vote awards and dont sell more and its not a liberal conspiracy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 20:53:51 2016 No.8630762 File: 61 KB, 478x720, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8628338 Probably the worst book I've ever read. When I see this shit on recommendation charts I vomit a little in my mouth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:04:43 2016 No.8630785 >>8630758 Somewhither not getting awards was not a liberal conspiracy. Cat Pictures, Please getting awards had to have been some sort of psyop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:09:18 2016 No.8630799 >>8630785 What made Somewhither so bad? I like most of Wright's stuff, but he's not as great as Vox thinks he is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:09:41 2016 No.8630801 File: 3.05 MB, 1823x981, fire touched.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You just know...

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:15:00 2016 No.8630818

>>8630799
Vox thinks he's great, edits with a feather, Somewhither comes out with big blocks of info coming out of main boy's mouth. Castalia fans get SFF that doesn't directly insult them, it actually is a pretty cool concept, so they promote it to their other Catholic homeschooling friends so it sells a little and VD thinks it's all good but Wright can't pay his mortgage because the first step in promoting something is making sure it's worth promoting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:21:08 2016 No.8630831 >>8630801 >Where exactly did the fire touch you ma'am?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:34:46 2016 No.8630852 >>8628338 Does Sanderson count as sci-fi or he is YA? >the "Dune was bad" meme is still popular I'm looking forward to whenever it falls out of favor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:37:28 2016 No.8630858 >>8628338 Consider Phlebas single-handedly wiped out two authors for me. I will never again open another book by Iain Banks, with or without the M.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:39:37 2016 No.8630867 >>8628373 God Emperor is tied with the OG for best in the series. Also once you've read all six and can see the wntire plot as a whole, going back and rereading them seems a lot more bearable, if that makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:45:38 2016 No.8630879 >>8628338 Whats a good sci fi book on the cold lonely emptiness of space exploration

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:46:39 2016 No.8630881 >>8630879 Destination: Void

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:48:08 2016 No.8630883 I don't read a lot of SciFi, but The Left Hand of Darkness sucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:48:56 2016 No.8630885 >>8630858 Was it the finger-eating, the poop-eating, the waifu dying, or the none of it mattering?

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:51:26 2016 No.8630892

>>8630883
Left Hand is a feminist meme. The only sort of interesting thing about it is the androgynes but she doesn't do anything with that. Hear earlier SF is way better, back when she was more pulp-influenced and too oppressed by the patriarchy to write non-stories.
>tfw Falk remembers who he is and starts wrecking face
>tfw Le Guin hates her best novel

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:54:57 2016 No.8630901 >>8630885 yes and then some

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:54:59 2016 No.8630902 >>8630576 Okay, checking again, the difficulty was the bizzare "barely literate suhthuhnuh stream-of-conciousness" writing style liberally salted with hard to follow lingo. Not unlike my posts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:57:37 2016 No.8630908 >>8630892 >androgynes Did Wolfe get this word from her or was it pre-existing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:58:31 2016 No.8630910 >>8630762 What didn't you like about it? I read the book and loved it

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 21:59:44 2016 No.8630913

>>8630818
That's about what I expected. Wright really, really needs an editor who isn't Vox Day. One great concept after another clunkily executed. His writing improved up through City Beyond Time but he's backslid since then.

Maybe this YA series he's working on will actually do him some good. Dial it back a little and work on the basics. It's frustrating because you can tell he's still got it, and even now I'd rate him as "definitely good" but he could be great. I don't want him to become the right-wing Charles Stross.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Mon Oct 17 22:02:30 2016 No.8630918 >>8630908 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/androgyne since 16th century

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:05:39 2016 No.8630932 Fucking Norrell. Would Norrell be a modern day 4chan shitposter? His autism is off the charts jesus fuck, this guy. I bet he is a lvl 54 wizard, he is like an r9k poster who cries about "roasties".

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:12:47 2016 No.8630947
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>>8629751
>>8629758
I'm glad you liked it tripfag. I was the one shilling it.
Enjoyed the gri?
The dog one hit a spot I didn't know I had, the clock ended made me laugh, and the laugh track one had me believing that the aunt fucked him... or played with him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:13:58 2016 No.8630950 File: 37 KB, 350x616, pop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8628338 This. By a fairly large margin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:20:15 2016 No.8630972 >>8630192 7 D A Y S D A Y S

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:27:17 2016 No.8630990 >>8630701 Check the archives, people can't be repeating the same shit themselves every week when a newfag comes in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:30:39 2016 No.8630997 >>8630910 He is probably one of the fags that drops it mid chapter one. Never finished the book, if he did he would be singing a different tune.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:31:52 2016 No.8630998 >>8630852 Read a perfect state by Sanderson.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Mon Oct 17 22:33:13 2016 No.8631002 >>8630947 Thanks for the recommendation. I'm listening to Volume 2 now. I'm not a GRI guy so those bits tend to be a negative for me. The aunt one seemed innocent enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:34:10 2016 No.8631004 >>8630932 Who is norrell?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:35:55 2016 No.8631008 >>8631002 I only listened to volume 1. What's two about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:38:21 2016 No.8631015 >>8630858 You got rused by a drone, son.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:39:24 2016 No.8631017 >>8630879 Aurora Prepare for sad orbital mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 22:46:09 2016 No.8631030 >>8630932 You mean Mr Norrell? Yeah, he's great.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Mon Oct 17 23:00:36 2016 No.8631061

>>8631008

I'm only on story 5 of 11. Thus far there's been a story about an old guy dying on Mars, one about an alien acting troupe showing up in NYC, another about the Bermuda Triangle and the fourth was a Western. None have really stood out to me so far so they probably front-loaded the best stories into Volume 1 and coasted with Volume 2. 3 of the 4 I've finished are pulp fiction from the late Fifties.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:09:47 2016 No.8631080

>>8630913
Only a little over a month till Vindication of Man, and that was edited by Hartwell when he was alive. I'm pretty excited. I was disappointed an Architect of Aeons at first, until I realized it was three bonkers pulp novellas bound together and that I kept thinking of parts of it and laughing. It's my favorite in its series now, even though it's the worst-written.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:21:30 2016 No.8631116 I need something new to read /sffg/, what's some fantasy with an asian or classical era setting

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:29:29 2016 No.8631134 Is Nevernight super edgy? I tried reading it today but literal first page is literally about how corpses shit themselves when they die

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:32:02 2016 No.8631143 >>8631116 >classical era setting Latro in the Mist

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:32:45 2016 No.8631146
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Is there any good fantasy with Christian lore? I don't mean allegory like C.S. Lewis, but stuff that uses angels, miracles, deals with the devil etc as its underpinning the way Tolkien did with Norse and Celtic mythos. So far all I've found is Bibleman-tier stuff put out by small presses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:36:48 2016 No.8631160 >>8631143 read it. maybe I'll go back to the second one. I didn't like them because they seemed really aimless and pointless, but it feels like good autumn reading material

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:38:46 2016 No.8631167 >>8631116 Son of the Black Sword.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:39:06 2016 No.8631168 What are some good SciFi books with nice naval battles? Ive read the lost fleet and that was okay but I need more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:40:37 2016 No.8631173 >>8631146 Son, you need to read The Broken Sword. Second-spookiest Satan figure in anything I've read (first was in Man Who Was Thursday). And Lewis' Space trilogy actually does have angels, miracles, and deals with the devil.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Mon Oct 17 23:43:08 2016 No.8631178 >>8631146 gene wolfe :3

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:44:35 2016 No.8631182
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>>8631168
The Red Rising sequels had some nice space-naval battles. The final battle in Footfall was pretty sweet but I'm not sure it's what you're looking for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:51:34 2016 No.8631200 >>8631167 that doesn't appear to match my inquiry

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:56:59 2016 No.8631215 >>8631200 India not Asian enough?

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:58:51 2016 No.8631222

>>8631173
>>8631178
Thanks, I'll look into them - Broken Sword is by Poul Anderson, right?

Also "Christian" could be broadly interpreted; if there's a fantasy equivalent of PKD's gnosticism, or someone like Sanderson or Card wrote a book based on Mormon beliefs that might be interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 23:59:54 2016 No.8631224 >>8631215 it didn't look indian. it looked cliche european

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:06:40 2016 No.8631240 is their any SFF that deals with the nature of creativity or imagination itself?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:08:36 2016 No.8631245 >>8631240 >is their any SFF that deals with the nature of creativity or imagination itself? The Gone Away World

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:08:50 2016 No.8631246 >>8631146 Chamiel literally does this to the point of appropriation

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:09:10 2016 No.8631247 >>8631240 The Lathe of Heaven.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:10:56 2016 No.8631254 >>8631245 I stared it, seemed promising but i got tired of the flashbacks. Maybe i'll give it another go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:11:17 2016 No.8631255 >>8631116 Asian: Dragon in Chains by Daniel Fox Long Price Quarter by Daniel Abraham Classical: The Ten Thousand by Paul Kearney

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:12:27 2016 No.8631258 >>8631254 He does do a lot of digressions, it's part of his writing style. Your enjoyment of the book will kind of depend on how much you like them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:22:15 2016 No.8631287 File: 56 KB, 537x540, Cosmere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All of you should STFU the fuck up and read Diamond Dogs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Dogs,_Turquoise_Days

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:26:47 2016 No.8631294 >>8631287 dude I haven't even finished Battle Tendency

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:32:04 2016 No.8631315 File: 1.38 MB, 579x807, Dayside Taldain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8631294 Fuck Battle Tendency. Read Diamond Dogs. It may even be shorter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:34:43 2016 No.8631320 >>8631146 To Reign in Hell Weaveworld

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:50:50 2016 No.8631373 Is Urth of the New Sun as good as the rest of The Book of the New Sun? I heard his editor made him write it in order to keep the ending he wanted for the original tetralogy and that makes it automatically suspect in my eyes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:52:43 2016 No.8631375 Do the Betancourt Amber books have any redeeming qualities? I've always been curious about those books but avoided them

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 00:56:12 2016 No.8631385 >>8631373 It's pretty good, it's basically a more literal version of the ending in BotNS. It's good because whether you enjoyed it or not, it'll make you appreciate BotNS more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 01:02:37 2016 No.8631404 >>8631375 >The narrative may lack the sparkling wit of its predecessors, but the cliffhanger ending should leave the faithful hungry for the next installment. >official blurb Looks like fanfiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 01:10:50 2016 No.8631421 Any good fantasy with necromancy being used a lot? Like the Old Kingdom series

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 01:25:18 2016 No.8631439 >>8631421 sadly none that I know of. Avoid the Johannes cabal series since despite following the adventures of a necromancer, only one or two peeople get re-animated per book and even then only for like 5 minutes max

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 01:26:30 2016 No.8631441 >>8631439 Thanks for the warning

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 01:29:35 2016 No.8631447 >>8631421 Third book of Death Gate has a necromancer society in a dying subterranean world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 02:49:52 2016 No.8631558 Do you guys enjoy transhuman and singularity stuff? I've been quite a lot of it. Any suggestions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:11:17 2016 No.8631583 >>8630858 I'd agree that Consider Phlebas is garbage, but The Wasp Factory is pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:16:25 2016 No.8631592 >>8631146 Paradise Lost The Divine Comedy His Dark Materials trilogy (for kids, but not Narnia-tier kids)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:18:18 2016 No.8631596 >>8631146 The Master and Margarita Faust (and other versions of the Faust theme)

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:40:31 2016 No.8631627

>>8631558
The Golden Age is a really different take on it, you might like it. Doctorow wrote a novella called True Names with some other dude, it's probably the least Doctorow stuff he's written and a fun ride. Vinge's A Fire Upon The Deep is another good one.

>>8631592
The Golden Compass is for kids. The Subtle Knife is for kids with slightly higher tolerance for plot holes. The Amber Spyglass is for mockery forever and aye.
>Narnia-tier kids
You mean kids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:46:59 2016 No.8631638 >>8631168 Honor Harrington, but it takes a sharp decline in quality around the 7th book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:01:53 2016 No.8631646 >Released 8 days ago >Still no torrent

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:05:22 2016 No.8631649 >>8631627 I meant younger kids. The Narnia series is very obviously written for young readers. IIRC The Northern Lights is a bit more 'advanced'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:06:49 2016 No.8631652 >>8631649 Narnia actually holds up really well as an adult.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:10:51 2016 No.8631658

>>8629751
>I found the idea underpinning this story so striking as to render the story itself superfluous

This line of thinking is what inspired Vonnegut to create the character of Kilgore Trout. He basically thought Harlan had good ideas, but that the stories themselves were a chore to read, so he created an author character to basically reduce stories to their core concept.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:26:37 2016 No.8631674 >>8631287 It's pretty good. I suggest Minla's flowers.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:36:16 2016 No.8631679

>>8628338
I know fantasy has a bunch of different prefixes (high, low, etc)

What would be the proper prefix for fantasy with no or no implied magic? Still has knights and villages and peasants and blacksmiths and swords and stuff. But no magic, no dragons, no curses, no shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:39:19 2016 No.8631680 >>8631679 But still set in a world that doesnt previously exist, so not historical. ie a new created world

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 04:41:36 2016 No.8631681 >>8631679 low

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 05:03:18 2016 No.8631706 >>8631652 All kids books that are any good hold up well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:19:01 2016 No.8631851 I thought Assassin's Apprentice would be shit and boring but it's actually riddled with plenty of interesting little mysteries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:36:23 2016 No.8631878 Holy shit, the Skill in Farseer is basically a watered down version of Geass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:37:57 2016 No.8631879 >>8631878 >Being more watered down than the plot in rising sun animation How?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:39:26 2016 No.8631882 >>8631879 I'm not referring to the anime but the powerset in the anime. The powers are mental influence/suggestion type and it's weaponised by the ruling class.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:47:34 2016 No.8631905

>>8631882
As for what actually reminds me of the Code Geass in its entirety - Zelazny's Amber series (with a greatly reduced amount of memes and filler) as the core plot is constructed around the politicking and almost incestuous relationship between royals trying to backstab each other often at the detriment of the people they rule over.

However, Oberon isn't Charles as he is far more machiavellian especially with the Ganelon
scheme. and Corwin is a stronger personality than Lelouch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 08:29:44 2016 No.8632001 >>8631679 Low fantasy. The closer to reality, the 'lower' the fantasy. Even if it's essentially all made up, if it mirrors the real world it's low fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 09:32:29 2016 No.8632154 >>8631679 Medium fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 09:52:45 2016 No.8632201 >>8631421 >good fantasy Would have given you anita blake and a few others, but you said "good".

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 09:58:48 2016 No.8632216 We now have 3 resident tripfags. Donkey, cat, and cs. What did we do to deserve this? >>8631646 ??? Golden hand anon? I told you go P R I V A T E

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 10:49:26 2016 No.8632329 >>8632216 >sci-fi and fantasy thread drawing out the socially inept fringe elements of society Why are you surprised?

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:01:08 2016 No.8632359

Anyone got any recs for books where the main character just tricks everyone instead of actually having magic or whatever?
Thomas Covenant seems like this but I'm not sure if that's accurate

Was reading Unsouled which manages to make the protagonist cheating to beat up children into something fun. But unfortunately the follow up doesn't appear to have been pirated yet so I need an alternative

>>8631851
Hobb's good at world building, I just detest her characters

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:08:29 2016 No.8632377 >>8632216 They are better than most posters in the thread. At least they aren't morons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:08:53 2016 No.8632378 >>8632359 >But unfortunately the follow up doesn't appear to have been pirated yet so I need an alternative Just remembered bookz exists and I immediately found it there God bless bookz, shame the guide in the sticky is broke

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:09:31 2016 No.8632381 >>8632359 >Anyone got any recs for books where the main character just tricks everyone instead of actually having magic or whatever? Cugel stories from Jack Vance. I didn't like them because he was such an absolute asshole all the time.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:12:19 2016 No.8632395

>>8632359
Second Raymond Feist series, IIRC it's called Daughter of the Empire, is just the protagonist rusing the living shit out of everyone

>>8632377
>At least they aren't morons
One of them has just fucking discovered Ellison and was surprised that he's good

They offer nothing to the thread

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Tue Oct 18 11:22:35 2016 No.8632435
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>>8631658

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgore_Trout

>Vonnegut explicitly acknowledged the matter, stating in a 1987 interview that "Yeah, it said so in [Theodore Sturgeon's] obituary in the New York Times. I was delighted that it said in the middle of it that he was the inspiration for the Kurt Vonnegut character of Kilgore Trout."

>"Kilgore Trout was more or less invented by a friend of mine, Knox Burger, who was my editor in the early days. He did not suggest that I do this, but he said, 'You know, the problem with science-fiction? It’s much more fun to hear someone tell the story of the book than to read the story itself.'

CTRL-F "Ellison" returns no results on the page. Am I missing the connection? I can see where his editor could have been referring to Ellison but it's not mentioned anywhere and the character is explicitly attributed to Theodore Sturgeon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:25:08 2016 No.8632442 >>8632395 >They offer nothing to the thread This thread doesn't offer anything to anyone. It's significantly worse than any other science fiction and fantasy thread on lit. The only good thing is that you can shitpost a lot and get fast replies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:29:37 2016 No.8632456 reading All of an Instant by Richard Garfinkle the premise starts out mind-blowing but then it becomes a generic tale of warlords and pawns. i do admit that imagining every character as a floating timeline did tickle my brain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 11:31:07 2016 No.8632463 >>8632442 I agree with this post. When I made this thread, I accidentally made it too accessible to /lit/ in general. I hope the next thread creator learns from my mistakes.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 12:15:39 2016 No.8632559
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>>8631030
There was someone a few months ago who said they understood Gilbert fuxking Norrell...
Well I have to say that, that person, and Norrell are the fucking scum of the earth.

Why hasn't anyone tried to poison the fucker yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 12:19:43 2016 No.8632568 >>8632329 The thing is donkey boy is supposedly 35-38, and has kids. Why a tripfag would reproduce to create more narcissistic autisticly disposed individuals is anyone's guess.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 12:20:26 2016 No.8632573

>>8632463
Not this thread in particular- the general as it is now. Compared to recommendations and information in other threads, on any author that isn't super specific urban fantasy trash nobody else read, the general is much worse.
The general was a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 12:24:34 2016 No.8632583 >>8632573 Alt+f4 then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 12:27:30 2016 No.8632590 >>8632583 The very point of this thread is by now shitposting, complaining and wasting time. I'm doing all three, so why would I?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 13:23:47 2016 No.8632726 File: 56 KB, 304x499, The_Last_Deathship_Off_Antares.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8632573 >>8632590 You sound upset. Why not read a comfy book about surviving an alien deathpit?

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 14:29:23 2016 No.8632919

>>8632559
While I agree that many of his actions weren't as good as they might have been, I understand why he did as he did. Norrell is pretty well written, at least to me, as I could empathize with the tragic character. Many of his misdeeds were also the fault of Drawlight and Lascelles, who were too devious for him to handle.

You do have empathy anon, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:05:32 2016 No.8633033 >>8632559 He's just an anon, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:06:13 2016 No.8633039 >>8632726 Speaking of Death*, Harrison's Deathworld books were extremely comfy.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:28:29 2016 No.8633106
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This was pretty good. Had a lot of late Le Guin problems but overall it's just a bunch of descriptions of weird cultures, which is what she's best at.

The Building is the best one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:33:40 2016 No.8633119 File: 28 KB, 210x200, 411542.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Never read Gaiman. Would you recommend Neverwhere or American Gods if I'm only gonna read one of his books

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:37:00 2016 No.8633130 I'm looking for a book about a tall but stupid girl on a spaceship headed for tau ceti. Bonus points if her mother is the chief engineer

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:37:23 2016 No.8633133 >>8633119 Just read Sandman instead. His books are shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:40:30 2016 No.8633145 >>8633119 American gods will be a tv series soon, so you can watch it instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:40:31 2016 No.8633146 >>8633133 This. Or a short story collection.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:43:20 2016 No.8633160
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Le Catholic Fedoraman's wife's book is free on Amazon, has anybody read it? I guess she's got her own little fandom separate from his, this seems to be some sort of magic school series.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:44:04 2016 No.8633163 >>8633133 >His books are shit. are you saying the OFFICIAL /lit/ recommendation images are not to be trusted? >>8633145 I guess I'll do that. Though now I'm really thinking I can just skip him altogether. At least if the series wont be shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:47:23 2016 No.8633175 >>8633163 This is /lit/. Nobody agrees on anything, ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:49:41 2016 No.8633189 >>8633163 Neverwhere was a BBC miniseries ("we made it look like a home video on purpose!") and Stardust was adapted as an actually pretty decent movie.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:56:24 2016 No.8633204

>>8633163
>are you saying the OFFICIAL /lit/ recommendation images are not to be trusted?
Tread carefully mine good friendo. We use a rigorously tested process here.
1. Some autist burns a couple hours making a list that no one likes.
2. Some anon puts it in OP because, eh, why not?
3. Everyone else lazily copies OP to make new threads.
X. Other lists float around, surfacing from time to time in response to recommendation requests, or just so we can troll each other.

One day senpai, one day. ;_;

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:57:44 2016 No.8633211
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I really liked the concept, and the boy was a good character, but the main girl character was such a selfish butch that it ruined it for me. I finished it and thought maybe she had redeemed herself at the end, but NOPE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:03:53 2016 No.8633228 >>8633119 Small Gods and Neverwhere are worth a read Outside of that Gaiman fails a novelist. Great comics though

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:03:58 2016 No.8633229 >>8633204 A couple of months ago some anons were OUTRAGED that we didn't have current rec charts and wouldn't shut up till some other anons actually made some, and now they won't shut up about how bad they are.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:06:22 2016 No.8633239

>>8633211
I honestly can't remember much about the end, just the hyperdimension being weird. I honestly don't remember much about the whole thing, aside from the concept and reversed ketchup being a narcotic.

Good to see another Sleator reader around here. Boxes/Marco's Millions are my favorites but it's Singularity I think about most often. House of Stairs was another strong concept with characters you can't care about, which was intentional I guess.

>>8633228
Surely you mean Good Omens?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:06:46 2016 No.8633242 >>8633229 That's because your recs are reddit tier garbage chartfag.

CS !ONk14TfQNk Tue Oct 18 16:06:58 2016 No.8633243
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>>8633204
Making charts is pretty fun though. Only self restraint has stopped me from putting it in an OP - because when it comes down to it, I am a humble man who would not wish to inflict my subjective reality onto other people like that.

>>8632216
I might have been anonyposting for a week.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:07:08 2016 No.8633244 >>8633239 Yeah confusing it with Pratchett's best individual work on gods

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:10:28 2016 No.8633254 >>8633243 Soft scifi that isn't shitty space opera is nice. Not sure if I trust a chart with LeGuin and only old books though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:10:32 2016 No.8633256 >>8633242 I didn't make a chart, I thought it was stupid, but neither did you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:12:25 2016 No.8633261 >>8633239 >house of stairs I'll have to check that out. I actually just picked that book up with a handful of others at the library because I was trying to break away from my usual authors in order to write better.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:12:46 2016 No.8633263

The problem is that people take the charts to be "every book here is amazing" when they should be read as "here's a wide range of books see if you like them"

Like in the general chart the only things I'd say are absolute shite are Goodkind and Way of Shadows but there's plenty in there that won't be for everyone.

People need to learn how to actually handle broad recommendations, look up the books a bit and be prepared to drop them.

A chart can't make a perfect recommendation because we don't know you or what you like.

That said the chartposters own chart remains poopoo

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:13:10 2016 No.8633265 >>8633243 >Making charts is pretty fun though. Oh, certainly. I've been meaning to do a followup for some time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:14:53 2016 No.8633275 Why are people such faggots? They are just recommendations not definitive lists of must read books. They are just recommendations based on 'if you liked that you may like this'

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:18:04 2016 No.8633283

>>8633263
That's not what recommendations are for though? If you just want a wide array of books you can simply google and get lots of results. I want to read something that another person thought "Wow this is incredible" not just "eh it was okay I guess, into the chart it goes" like most of the books on the charts here feel like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:22:06 2016 No.8633297 File: 178 KB, 1077x1841, sladek bradbury.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8633254 Lathe is good Le Guin. DADOES is overrated. Martian Chronicles is classic Bradbury, you like him or you don't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:22:37 2016 No.8633301 >>8633283 The vast majority of SFF isn't even "ok i guess."

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:23:09 2016 No.8633303 >>8633283 Personally, I try to remember any book that gets memed here. Then if I see it at my source, I'll pick it up. Unless it sounds very much not for me. I might pass it up in that case, but not always.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:23:09 2016 No.8633304 >>8633283 It's fantasy, there's approximately 7 "incredible" books in the genre

CS !ONk14TfQNk Tue Oct 18 16:24:39 2016 No.8633309
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>>8633254
Imagine how boring it would be if every book had to cohere with, or display the politically correct modern culture. The same voices again and again.

I read things like Strugatsky brothers partly because it is a little different, and PKD because he is a nutty voice. And who wouldn't like to read something by this mischievous looking man?

Usually if a book is decades old is still in print, there is something interesting or noteworthy in it, usually an aspect of literature which gives it a universal appeal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:26:42 2016 No.8633314 >>8633254 You do realise that the person making the chart is a barely undercover pol crank right? Of course there's nothing new on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:32:02 2016 No.8633330 >>8628338 I Will Fear no Evil by Robert Heinlein. anything written by John Ringo The Female Man by Joanna Russ mission earth series by L. Ron Hubbard Tekwar by William Shatner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:36:36 2016 No.8633347 >>8633243 >Soft SF list >No Hyperion Cantos. Opinion discarded.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:37:22 2016 No.8633349

>>8633303
The only actual good rec I didn't know about found here was Vandermeer. And before that I went through a lot of bad recs

>>8633304
That you have heard of maybe. So many new books come out every day. Hence I come here, in the hopes of someone shilling something under the radar but good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:41:41 2016 No.8633359 >>8633347 Hyperion is space opera not soft SF though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:56:00 2016 No.8633404 >>8633359 Just curious what you define as the difference between Soft Sci Fi and Space Opera.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:58:22 2016 No.8633408 >>8633359 Huh? It's not

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 16:59:42 2016 No.8633414 >>8633254 >The only good sci fi is that which is the most like a physics textbook. Fuck you, you autistic twat. Even hard sci-fi includes some level of fun space opera stuff. Read anything by Poul Anderson as an example.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:01:45 2016 No.8633425

>>8633414
>which is the most like a physics textbook.
... what? I just said I prefer soft scifi, aka the thing that's not a text book and tries to show me the math behind every concept. And I just said I hate both hard scifi and space operas, so uh I don't get your rec which has both.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:03:54 2016 No.8633434 >>8633425 So how exactly do you differentiate between Space Opera and "Soft" sci-fi?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:05:06 2016 No.8633441 >>8633434 Soft scifi that isn't set in space? We're living on this thing called earth in case you forgot about it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:19:14 2016 No.8633489

>>8633404
Soft SF is much more character-driven and mainly focused on soft sciences like anthropology and psychology. There are often hard-SF or space opera elements in soft SF, so it's not that big of a distinction.

Look at it this way: the climax of Fall of Hyperion is a space battle and a riot. The climax of Martian Chronicles is a bunch of people looking at the sky and getting homesick. If Martian Chronicles were more space opera, we'd see the war on Earth as more than a telegram.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:20:14 2016 No.8633495 >>8633441 So you just don't think sci fi that involves spacefaring civilizations is up to your high literary standards. Would you consider the Known Universe stories by Larry Niven or Tau Zero by Poul Anderson Space Opera?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:23:55 2016 No.8633515 >>8633495 >Known Universe stories by Larry Niven Those are most definitely space opera in tone. It's a spectrum, guys, you should understand, you're on one. Would you consider the lottery eugenics program hard SF?

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:24:39 2016 No.8633519

>>8633495
Why are you pulling random shit out of your ass? Honestly baffled at how your brain operates. I just don't like it, I don't care about if something is literary or not.
And I didn't read those but googling them they look like it yes. Set in space, set in spaceships, "ten-year interstellar voyage" - this is the kind of stuff I absolutely despise in SF.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:24:58 2016 No.8633521 >>8633489 So you're argument is that if a book has any kind of Space Battle it becomes Space Opera and therefore garbage in your eyes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:30:25 2016 No.8633544 File: 14 KB, 502x417, autism-intensifies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8633519

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:31:25 2016 No.8633549 >>8633544 The only autist here is you not being able to handle people disliking a thing.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:35:30 2016 No.8633565

>>8633521
I'm not that anon. I like both. If a book's focus is on space battles it's space opera. If a book's focus is on feelings it's soft SF. It's not that difficult.

Even the other anon wasn't saying that space opera is bad, he was happy to see a list of soft SF that wasn't just bad space opera claiming to be toodeep4u.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:47:31 2016 No.8633604

>>8628338
Trying to remember a book, maybe you can help.
In the book, a castle is being attacked. I think the enemy has blimps of some type. They drop powder from the blimps and when enough of it is in the air, they ignite it.
I think in the same book, in the same castle, there was some type of chain formed between all of the warriors. I want to say there was 60 of them, but basically the person at the head of the chain gets the power of those behind him. The ones behind him are unconscious, but as soon as the head of the chain dies, the next in line wakes up to do battle.
Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:52:19 2016 No.8633615 I'm 1/4 into Sabriel. It's completely devoid of any literary quality, but it has a cool world and plot, the prose is also not shit. It's comfy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:53:58 2016 No.8633621 >>8633615 >Expecting literary quality from fantasy or sci-fi

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:55:15 2016 No.8633627 >>8633621 Yeah. Wolfe outdid Joyce. Why not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 17:57:20 2016 No.8633637 >>8633615 It's YA. >>8633627 Wolfe hasn't even outdone Sanderson yet. Doubt he will since he's dead soon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:20:36 2016 No.8633696 >>8633637 >am I memeing yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 19:22:22 2016 No.8633908 >>8633615 Sabriel is written for children.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 19:43:09 2016 No.8633968 reading some lord of light by robert zelazny off to a great start desu its so much better knowing it was written in 1965 Has anyone else read this? Thoughts?

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 19:59:07 2016 No.8634014

>>8630858
hmm. Was it that shocking? for some reason it barely touched me. I love the real, overarching point; an utopia and how it works. Perhaps player of games is better suited? the culture novels are one of the more intelligent series in recent Sci-fi

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:08:40 2016 No.8634048

>>8634014
Not even that anon, but Consider Phlebas just felt grim for the sake of grim. I've considered picking up more Culture, I even started Excession, but it felt hollow after Phlebas.

>>8633968
Lord of Light is an insane ride, one of the jivest things I've ever read. Best of Zelazny but a lot of his other stuff is also incredible. Night in the Lonesome October is season-appropriate and seldom talked about, Creatures of Light and Darkness is an insaner ride but not quite as jive, and For A Breath I Tarry is the best robot love story ever written.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:16:04 2016 No.8634079
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>>8631080
>yfw ywn watch the planet Jupiter be killed in a duel and then retire to spread the seed of humanity among strange suns with your bioengineered kitsunekami waifu.

He's trying to do an awful lot with that series. I'm willing to forgive a lot of awkward writing. I mean, come on, the antagonist megalomaniacally swears vengeance against a galactic arm that is also a living being.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:16:26 2016 No.8634081

>>8633968
lord of light is great. It really sticks in my mind. The way reincarnation makes sense; the slow disentanglement - and tanglement - between the hints of sci-fi and the religious/spiritual part- just great.
>>8634048
excession is the one I would recommend the least. It is one of the few culture novels that only gets worthwhile if you know a bit more background.
Player of Games, The hydrogen Sonata, Look to Windward and use of weapons are all much better. Consider Phlebas, in my recollection, might shock, or be grim - but that is part of the genius of it; it shocks and by shocking it shows the opposing part; of what you would want. The main character opposes the culture, but by his floundering opposition and terrible experiences, you actually get a really nicely hinted at space in which society could be shaped, and one possible example - the Culture itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:18:44 2016 No.8634093 >>8633243 That's a pretty good chart actually, although generally the ones in the OP are broader you're still a tripfag, fucking kill yourself nigger

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:42:52 2016 No.8634175
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>>8634079
>ywn conquer a genetically engineered sex machine's heart with your knightly chastity and then marry her and breed like rabbits
>ywn be a priest serving the Moon as she sings you songs of galactic beauty
>ywn participate in a gentleman's war where you politely construct a braking laser for your opponent's invasion fleet

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:45:27 2016 No.8634180

>>8634081
>it shocks and by shocking it shows the opposing part; of what you would want.
If the goal of Phlebas was to make me want to live in the Culture it failed. Shockingly inhuman AIs blasting cultural monuments on the off-chance that the aliens they'll beat anyway will grab it and their forlorn anomic human pets that whine, "what's wrong with hedonism anyway?" to shore up their meaningless lives. Facechanger was DOING something, he was serving a higher cause, he was making a future for himself and his family, and then NOPE sorry haha at least a shipmind remembers you a lil.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:49:27 2016 No.8634187 >>8634180 Banks isn't remotely suggesting that The Culture is good or desirable you dipshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:50:52 2016 No.8634190 >>8634187 Of course he isn't, >>8634081 was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 20:52:21 2016 No.8634193 >>8630189 Most anything written by Guy Gavriel Kay is in general pretty light on action while still feeling epic. He occasionally does larger battle scenes but keeps them focused.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 21:21:53 2016 No.8634276 >>8631173 >Second-spookiest Satan figure in anything I've read (first was in Man Who Was Thursday). How was the Satan figure in the least bit scary? You know that Thursday wasn't Satan, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 21:23:20 2016 No.8634281 >>8634276 And by Thursday I meant Sunday.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 21:27:46 2016 No.8634298 >>8632216 I am the trackers I'm on don't have it

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 21:53:05 2016 No.8634371
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/lit, I come to you with a humble request. Do any of you know of any fantasy novels/series which are not derivative of Tolkien or D&D, but rather are original ideas of creation myths or legends? Stories that resemble the legends and myths of real-world cultures, but are original, written as fiction. Epic poetry would also suffice. I suspect there are some examples from before Tolkien-- what would those be, and are there any more modern examples? Tired of orcs and edgy rogues and "gritty spins" on fantasy "tropes."

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 21:59:23 2016 No.8634384 >>8633621 >Thinking that sci fi never produced anything of literary merit. Go to bed Harold Bloom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:05:24 2016 No.8634404 I believe this series fits what you are looking for. It is far less Tolkien deriviative than you would think.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:06:31 2016 No.8634409 File: 162 KB, 1024x429, MemorySorrowAndThorn1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8634404 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:07:35 2016 No.8634410 >>8634404 Anon, don't leave me in suspense like this...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:09:14 2016 No.8634414 >>8634409 Never heard of it, that's awesome. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:11:22 2016 No.8634421 >>8634371 Dagger and Coin comes to mind immediately

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:12:39 2016 No.8634428 >>8632919 Not when you try to shaft Strange.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:25:39 2016 No.8634474
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>>8633242
That's not me, I never beat about the bush. I'm always upfront when it comes to my chart.

>redshit tier
It's funny you know what is reddit and what is not. I never went to redshit, so I don't even know what you are speaking of.

Maybe you should take your ass back there fag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:34:49 2016 No.8634493 >>8634474 Glanced over your shitty chart >Recommending female author Looks pretty reddit tier to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:43:39 2016 No.8634527 >>8634493 >>>/r9k/ >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:44:56 2016 No.8634532 >>8634493 >laughing_yellow_smiley_with_oversize_tears_and_two_finger_grip.jpg

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:48:50 2016 No.8634547

>>8634493
His chart is poor for reasons that aren't anything to do with female authors. The books are too disparate in quality to be grouped together.

Furthermore, if you cannot appreciate the literary merit of Woolf, Lee, Austen, Dickinson, Brontë or Le Guin you have no place on this board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:53:05 2016 No.8634561 >>8634547 >Furthermore, if you cannot appreciate the literary merit of Woolf, Lee, Austen, Dickinson, Brontë or Le Guin you have no place on this board. And how many of those wrote fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:55:58 2016 No.8634573 >>8634561 >only reading genre fiction Plebian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:57:17 2016 No.8634582 >>8634573 Is this the fantasy and science fiction general? Is that chart specifically made for fantasy and science fiction?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 22:58:19 2016 No.8634586 >>8634573 And the word is "plebeian"

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 23:09:55 2016 No.8634618

Gaskun's weaponized autism space fantasy is the absolute worst. It's like he just took elements of starwars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, firefly, BSG, starship troopers and anime and threw it in a blender. It's incoherent and I hope he fails and spends the rest of his life in that gas shed smelling like diesel fuel and wondering why no one has purchased a copy of his 11 book literary dumpster fire. Thank GOD that cuck doesn't make threads anymore. The first book alone is just wipeout XL with a hatsune Miku Ripoff. It's utter shit and makes ready player one look like Moby dick

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 23:14:47 2016 No.8634635 >>8634187 >Banks isn't remotely suggesting that The Culture is good or desirable you dipshit He openly said that he would live in that society in a heartbeat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 23:15:22 2016 No.8634636 >>8634573 >I need fictional stories written by sapient prunes to help me form views about life

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 23:15:56 2016 No.8634641 File: 1.54 MB, 1292x1884, Synthese.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I found this on the Prince of Nothing wiki

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 23:25:41 2016 No.8634685 >>8634618 > does this autism have a link?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 23:41:15 2016 No.8634759 >>8634685 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01G0TOU14 Warning: it was written for autistic middle school kids who like reddit. I Cant believe this cuck spent 10 years writing this garbage. It's really sad and pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:26:00 2016 No.8634903 >>8634414 Tad Williams seems to be very under-read in /sffg/ despite being very prolific, like Sanderson-tier prolific. He loves mythology and fairy tales, nearly everything he writes incorporates fairies somehow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:31:36 2016 No.8634926 Can someone sell me on Dune? It seems to be very enduring outside of genre circles so what's the appeal? Am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:33:52 2016 No.8634935 >>8634926 It's shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:41:26 2016 No.8634958 >>8634935 Are you saying that because you're bitter that it's a piece of sci-fi that reached regonition in the literary world or because it's genre trash?

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:43:49 2016 No.8634966

Before I say anything else, let me say that I'm new here, so forgive me if this isn't the right thread. What are some good books about a knight-errant set in a fantasy world? I'd prefer if they were the main character or at least one of the major ones. Also, are there any fantasy novels set in an expy for the age of exploration? Like with people exploring a new continent with similar creatures and monsters similar to north and south American mythologies. Swashbuckling fantasy pirate adventures are also acceptable.

I want to write stories about these subjects and I'd like to know what others with similar ideas have done so when I try to get it published somewhere, one of the reasons it doesn't get published WON'T be it being too similar to something else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:44:51 2016 No.8634970 >>8634958 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:51:16 2016 No.8634986 >>8634903 Been reading through Dragonbone Chair and dude's got some prose game, but maybe too much prose game. Downright purple a good bit of the time. Still quite liking it tough

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:54:27 2016 No.8634999

>>8634986
I've said this many times, but Williams' has improved greatly over the years and every series he puts out shows improvement. He gets just a bit better at streamlining his stories every time. What I'm excited about is that he's writing a new series in the same setting as Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn as his next project. So we get to return to that wonderful setting he created with all the new tricks he's picked up writing other series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:56:04 2016 No.8635002 File: 1.39 MB, 820x1020, Arthurian_Fantasy_Guide.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8634966 You'll get no satisfaction here, newfag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:56:41 2016 No.8635005 >>8634421 And before anybody reads it: No don't, it's boring and nowhere near as good as the Expanse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:01:06 2016 No.8635017 File: 219 KB, 898x700, Questing Knight.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8635002 T-Thanks, Merlin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:14:30 2016 No.8635047 >>8628338 armor by john steakley

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:15:14 2016 No.8635049 >>8632001 How does that differ from historical fiction? For example, according to your definition, is Shogun "low fantasy"?

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 19 01:56:26 2016 No.8635119
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>>8634966

I don't know if they're any good but GRRM has a few novellas about a couple of hedge knight characters called Dunk and Egg. They are set in the Game of Thrones world so at least the setting should be worth reading about.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:56:51 2016 No.8635120

>>8635049
Not the guy you responded to, but historical fiction has absolutely no fantastical elements. It's just fiction with a historical setting. Real time/place, sometimes real people and events, but mostly fictional story. If you start throwing in magic and shit then it crosses the line into low fantasy. If you add enough magic shit that it no longer really resembles "our world" then it crosses entirely into high fantasy. Even if you claim that "this was totally the earth XXXX years ago" like Tolkien does, if the setting is so fantastical compared to the real earth it's effectively a different fantasy world and is called high fantasy.

To be low fantasy it has to have a very rational real-world setting. Even if it's not set in the real world is has to behave very similar to ours so that when magic shit does happen it feels suitably bizarre and weird.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 02:27:07 2016 No.8635155 >>8632216 >Request it on bay >it gets released in mere hours lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 02:49:11 2016 No.8635193 >>8630510 >She won't lift a finger to save someone from being mugged though, that's their business. I recall at least one instance of her feeding starving strangers in the snow in the anime

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:19:49 2016 No.8635229 File: 234 KB, 1440x792, FalseSun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8634641 Disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:20:21 2016 No.8635230 File: 32 KB, 448x253, 1454607140616.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >The Lions of Al-Rassan >not fantasy >not science fiction >placed in the charts >it's another case of the suggester didn't even read the fucking book before suggesting it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:34:45 2016 No.8635251 >>8635230 It's fantasy though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:35:08 2016 No.8635252 >>8635119 They are unironically better than asoiaf

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:35:49 2016 No.8635253 >>8635251 >Historical fiction with zero magic whatsoever >Fantasy Pick one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:36:37 2016 No.8635254 >>8635253 Welcome to low fantasy, newfag. Lurk more before posting next time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:38:10 2016 No.8635256 >>8635254 I bet you're the kind of retard who thinks that Charles Dickens counts as fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:40:32 2016 No.8635260 >>8635256 No, but nice projection. It's okay to be a little slow in the head, you just have to own it and live with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:41:46 2016 No.8635261 >>8635260 >No Then please justify your reasoning for why Al-Rassan falls under fantasy and not Dickens' works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 03:53:00 2016 No.8635271 >>8635260 >It's okay to be a little slow in the head, you just have to own it and live with it. Not him but I do I think. Do I? Am I coping with being slow? Do I try to understand things? Do I rely too much on others? Do I want to improve anything?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 05:18:23 2016 No.8635377 >>8635254 Low fantasy still has magic and/or fantastical elements of some kind. Without some fantastical aspect it's not fantasy. It's just fiction.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 05:53:42 2016 No.8635424

>>8635377
>>8635230

>The interplay between bigotry and tolerance is a major theme of the novel. The stories of the main characters are interwoven in such a way that each is responsible for saving the lives of persons who are loved by the others. The surgery to save Diego Belmonte is seen as a key event: "In this scene, the son of a Jaddite warleader is saved through an Asharite's warning and a Kindath's medical skill; it hints at the possibility of peaceful interaction among the three embattled religious groups."[1] The possibility of cooperation between people of different faith is glimpsed as an ideal that leads to the miraculous, in this case an extraordinary act of surgery. It is in the Epilogue, in the Kindath city of Sorenica, rebuilt after its destruction by Jaddites at the outset of their holy war, where the possibilities of co-existence are realized.[2]

Why do you tihnk feminist/"jihad is actually not a war the dictionary definitions are wrong we are a religion of peace" shit is allowed here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 05:58:34 2016 No.8635429 >>8635424 Could you concisely describe what parts of the novel 'The Lions of Al-Rassan' are either/both FANTASTICAL or MAGICAL?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 05:59:44 2016 No.8635430 >>8635429 My point is, that no matter what it is, it is not welcome here, fantasy/magical/w/e regardless

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 07:50:30 2016 No.8635585 >>8634409 Halfway through stone of farewell, does mc stop being a whiney cunt? Do the STRONG FEMALEs stop being annoying?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 07:52:11 2016 No.8635589 >>8635585 >Do the STRONG FEMALEs stop being annoying? what scares you about them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 07:59:01 2016 No.8635601 >>8635585 >tfw anime has shows with many female characters and /lit/ gets triggered when there's one female character Thankfully, gays can't breed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 08:58:32 2016 No.8635721 >>8635429 It's fantastical because it shows Muslims coexisting peacefully with nonsubmissive kuffar.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:02:37 2016 No.8635726
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>>8634582
>Is that chart specifically made for fantasy and science fiction?
Yes.

The chart is filled with books I read that I would recommend.
Compare pic related to this >>8634474, you can see how much shit is in pic related. This doesn't even cover it, because I read 200+ books since pic related was updated. A lot of this shit.

Those >>8634474 are the best of the lot.
Why would I recommend books that I haven't even read like some chart makers here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:04:10 2016 No.8635728 >>8634618 You know he said he made a couple hundred bucks right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:13:38 2016 No.8635744 >>8635155 Should have done that in the first place. I'm sure it was mouse they got it from.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:36:00 2016 No.8635780 >>8635253 >>8635230 I bet it's the outer elitist that that turn their noses up at anything that resembles the fantastical. They always lurk these threads trying to shit up our reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:40:37 2016 No.8635787 >>8635254 Low fantasy is like coin and dagger, or the price quartet. Hell even asoiaf is semi low fantasy (no way in hell is it high fantasy, with only glimpses now and again of the fantastical).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:43:23 2016 No.8635800 >>8635601 What does anime and lit have to do with each other?

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 09:43:30 2016 No.8635801

>>8635585
the whole series has some weak points for me, for example that girl and the joshua character, but i really enjoyed the overall arc of the main character and the setting in general. the ending to the saga was a bit stupid though

>>8634999
>he's writing a new series in the same setting as Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn as his next project.
im hyped

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 10:57:41 2016 No.8635962

>>8635377
Question to everyone: How come that novels set in our world are always classified as mainstream even if they have phantastical elements, such as occult rituals that actually do something? Strictly speaking these should be regarded as fantasy or horror.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 10:58:50 2016 No.8635967 >>8635962 like what

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 11:11:15 2016 No.8635995 Am I the only one here who really likes Harlan Ellison?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 11:24:31 2016 No.8636027 File: 526 KB, 1640x2438, sycla_map_10yr_color_ebook.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finally finish Remnants >all dem plot holes Welp okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 11:27:12 2016 No.8636030 >>8635995 Did you read the thread? I >>8630947 clearly state I was shilling this book for months.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 12:38:24 2016 No.8636233

>>8635787
>Low fantasy is like coin and dagger, or the price quartet
Low fantasy is a term that means set on our earth

Nothing more or less

Those two are set in alien worlds, both of them are actually fucking perfect examples of high fantasy

The high/low distinction is not about how much magic is used

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 12:39:45 2016 No.8636235 >>8628448 Also Armada. Ernest Cline should just kill himself. I'm willing to pay just so he stops writing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 13:25:56 2016 No.8636350 What's a good epic fantasy like The Grace of Kings and The Wall Of Storms where technology and sneaky warfare are constantly advancing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 13:42:26 2016 No.8636385 >>8635995 IHNMAIMS didn't really impress me. The game was "watchable" but the short story wasn't exactly great

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 14:20:08 2016 No.8636482 >>8634276 >not being spooked by Jesus You're doing it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 15:36:11 2016 No.8636701 New Thread >>8636700 >>8636700 >>8636700

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:05:06 2016 No.8637974 >>8636482 Oh, the Jesus figure was indeed creepy. But the poster I was responding to wasn't talking about Him.

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