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[Anonymous No.8626574]

Where do I start with U.G. Krishnamurti?

[Anonymous No.8626754]

His conversations on Youtube

[Anonymous No.8626854]

>>8626754
Any particular recommendation?

[Anonymous No.8626875]

>>8626854
No.

[Anonymous No.8627433]

>>8626574
basterd

[Anonymous No.8628684]

start by getting an at least basic grasp of the common threads underlying all spiritual ways.

then read him, he is a great antidote to the mistakes inherent in those ways.

on the other hand, if you read him as if he was just another spiritual way you might end up killing yourself, no joke. he just throws bare facts in your face, no human can take that without some preparation.

[Anonymous No.8628776]

This: https://www.amazon.com/Biology-Enlightenment-Unpublished-Conversations-Krishnamurti/dp/935029009X

You also end it with that.

Under all his seeming nihilistic utterances there's substance which is subtle and it's very easy to misinterpret him and his 'natural state'. The state that he was in was not reached or attained via some intellectual means by reading a particular subset of the philosophy canon, which he in fact did in his 20s, but that at one point he experienced a sudden neurobiological change, mutation of sorts, which permanently altered his brain structure, setting his mind free of psychological neuroses, tensions and so forth (everything that is all so common in the Western world though *his* tensions were strictly of enlightenment content, not ">tfw no gf" etcetera juvenile horseshit you encounter on 4chins). This neurobiological change is a purely natural phenomenon (it can be explained secularly without invoking Sanskrit nomenclature such as the Chakras, etc.) and it can be reached via qigong, certain types of yoga, or tantric sex/masturbation. Based on what I have read and seen of U.G. he most likely had the first 6 Chakras open, but not the seventh, crown Chakra, otherwise he would be able to "tune into" the spirit realm, channel beings of higher consciousness etc. though with U.G. you never know: perhaps he was purposefully hiding this ability from his friends and relatives. All in all I'd say if you're not mature enough (never read any philosophy whatsoever) and are ignorant of Yoga and meditation you won't be able to handle U.G.; you will either oversimplify his message and denounce his utterances as truisms or much of the content will go straight over your head. U.G. is precious and I sincerely hope nobody manages to 'meme' him into the degenerated 4chin culture that is run by mentally unstable teens.

Interesting fact: Moorty, one of U.G. friends and a retired philosophy prof, also seen in many videos of his, did a PhD (on Heidegger or Wittgenstein, can't remember) under Hubert Dreyfus at Berkeley.

[Anonymous No.8628819]

>>8628776
>amazon

where da pdf you nig!?

[Anonymous No.8628826]

>>8628776
>This neurobiological change is a purely natural phenomenon (it can be explained secularly without invoking Sanskrit nomenclature such as the Chakras, etc.)

Is there something I could read from the stand point of merely academic neurobiologist curiosity regarding this? It seems untrue.

[Anonymous No.8628829]

>>8628776
is that neurobiological thing you say in that book or is it just you projecting science everywhere? i mean, im not trying to say that physical changes and phenomena are false or unimportant, but they cant be made to explain everything. actually that takes as a given the body/mind split which just leads to nonsense.

[Anonymous No.8628856]

>>8628829
Please learn to type coherent sentences

[Anonymous No.8628904]

>>8628776
everyone conned by this post should watch U.G.'s real thoughts on his own position in life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vf-Xsr0f4w

[Anonymous No.8628928]

>>8628904
can you sum it up, im lazy :(

[Anonymous No.8628929]

>>8628829
>>8628826
>>8628776
I haven't read him so I don't know it it's like what I'm saying, probably not, but I fucking hate this western science washing they giveto shit like that, trying to come with a direct correspondence between eastern philosophy, neurobiology, psychanalytic terms, a lot of common sense and wishful thinking. Even worse if they risk themselves with quantum physics shit. When I'm reading science,

I want science, when I'm reading about yoga, I read yoga. I'm surprised a lot of people can't handle this, they can't read a buddhist text namedropping entities without sperging out that it is not secular and so on. Alternatively, some people can't handle science without saying it was all explained by chakras and whatever. And then when authors succumb to that sort of wish from their readers, they end up talking about "the ego's chakra neurobiological wiring of quantum tulpas" or something like that.

I don't know what causes this, perhaps people are too much in a hurry to read something through that they don't understand without jumping to conclusions, so they cling with what they have already and need very safe bridges to begin talking about, I don't know, meditation but without spirituality, or science without numbers, or psychanalysis without actually going through the texts required for you to grasp it. It's all words, there is nothing to be afraid about them, you don't have to hop in, there is no reason to fear being fooled. Those things talk about similar things, but also about different things, and you can entertain them without accepting or denying them.

[Anonymous No.8628935]

>>8628928
the long and short of it is:

>I am an ordinary man. I am not enlightened. I am not a saint. I am an ordinary man.

and a bit later

>Yoga is bad for this body, because it is not interested in working at all.

[Anonymous No.8628946]

>>8628829
>i mean, im not trying to say that physical changes and phenomena are false or unimportant, but they cant be made to explain everything.
Yes they can. Magic doesn't real.

[Anonymous No.8628954]

>>8628946
>Of course you can explain everything in tight causality. There is no true randomness, because magic doesn't real

the 19th century scientist said.

[Anonymous No.8628965]

>>8628954
>randomness means all my new age shit makes sense

The god of the gaps quantum hippie said.

[Anonymous No.8628982]

>>8628965
>Dualism
>new age shit

[Anonymous No.8628987]

>>8628776
this oughta be bait.

[Anonymous No.8628990]

>>8628935
what i thought all along desu.

well... back to the nationalsozialistische deutsche arbeiterpartei for me *sigh* auf wiedersehen.

[Anonymous No.8628996]

>>8628954
everything we experience is mediated by neuronal dynamics.

[Anonymous No.8629018]

>>8628996
they might actually not be.

[Anonymous No.8629031]

>>8629018
prove it wrong

[Anonymous No.8629037]

>>8629031
You're thick as fuck

[Anonymous No.8629040]

>>8628946
>Magic

lel, magic is a notion created by scientists to 'explain' what science cant into. the only human being capable of 'superstition' is a scientist.

[Anonymous No.8629043]

>>8629018
dont be silly. what else could it be.

[Anonymous No.8629047]

>>8629040
i dont even understand what you are trying to say or who you are trying to criticise.

[Anonymous No.8629049]

>>8629043
I don't know, it probably is, I operate under that assumption at least.


Might not be though.

[Anonymous No.8629052]

>>8629037
I'm just inviting you to discuss together by making you give your first thoughts regarding experience not being mediated by neuronal dynamics.
No need to pivot on insulting me.

[Anonymous No.8629061]

>>8629052
not my fault if you're too thick to understand words put in context.

[Anonymous No.8629068]

>>8629061
>Still doesn't give any of his own ideas or opinions

k.

[Anonymous No.8629129]

>>8629061

what are you trying to say. you havent said anything useful or that suggests any sought of intellect.