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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:12:19 2016 No.8611475 [Reply] [Original]

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Previous Thread:
>>8603240

No more shilling edition

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:21:04 2016 No.8611491 >>8611475 >No more shilling edition That's.... This thread is for this. Am I lost? What new epoch breaks, shining gdfgjhgfk... Quick, someone shill me a book!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:24:54 2016 No.8611497 Happy endings with dark messages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:24:57 2016 No.8611498 Why did kellhus rape proyas? Was it meat?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:25:17 2016 No.8611499 >>8611491 I meant no more shilling whatever that /tg/ thing is

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:26:38 2016 No.8611503 >>8611499 Oh, right. Carry on then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:48:54 2016 No.8611569 >>8611491 >these threads >shilling Sure, if you consider fags recommending 50 year old books in everysingle one shilling. We are not allowed to discuss new books because the dinosaurs get mad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 17:59:03 2016 No.8611608 12 days

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 18:07:09 2016 No.8611642 >>8611491 Book to shill... Book to shill... 'My web novel came to life and now i have to finish writing it!" first volume available through yenpress and secret club torrents.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 18:10:19 2016 No.8611652 >>8611569 Yet all you could come up with when anon asked for new books in the last thread was a generic goodreads new release link.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 18:27:29 2016 No.8611691 This is more horror I guess but what does /sffg/ think of David Moody's Autumn? Been thinking about giving it a read but does it go anywhere interesting for a post-apocalyptic, zombie series?

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 18:29:09 2016 No.8611700

>>>8610960
>It's an interesting setting but I'm concerned by you saying that they just do their own thing and nothing special is happening out at sea.
>Conflict drives a story. If you don't have a villain for your protagonist to chase, a wrong for him to right, or a quest for him to go on then it's not going to be very good.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 12 18:37:23 2016 No.8611730
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"Revelation Space" - Alastair Reynolds, 2000

This novel is the first of a series set in the Revelation Space universe. The notable characteristics of this universe are: a lack of FTL; sublight drives are a rarity; cryogenics; no contacted aliens; cyborgs; AI; terraforming; anti-aging treatments; Fermi Paradox.

The story begins on a remote planetary colony with an environment that is hostile to human life and sounds suspiciously like Mars. The protagonist is identified as an xenoarchaeologist named Sylveste who has just found a notable alien artifact. This is immediately followed by some colonial political drama that really isn't interesting unless you'd really like a rehash of "Total Recall".

The story shifts perspective to a derelict interstellar warship that seems to be an artifact itself of some earlier epoch, as its crew of Russians appears to operate it through various hacks and modifications. The crew are mostly cyborgs and spend nearly all of their time in cryostasis with the exception of the ship's engineer. The story follows this character's perspective for a time to show that the ship is on a quest to find a person to heal the captain, who has been infected with a plague that melds organic and inorganic material. The Russian engineer likes to stay thawed for the endless transits between cosmic destinations, for no apparent reason other than it's hard to write exposition from a character point of view if the character is a fishstick.

The story then shifts again to what will be the last character perspective. This person is an assassin of sorts who was once a soldier but due to a logistics mistake was shipped out to the wrong planet. A stranger approaches her after she is defrosted and offers her a job as an assassin: she accepts because her fiance who was also a crack trooper didn't get placed alongside her in the freezer so the cruel fact of relativistic time means camoChad has long since shacked up with some other elite warrior princess of Mars. This bit of bad luck means she's now down to exterminate strangers for cash.

spaceSlavs are looking for Sylveste, who they had previously encountered on the assassin's planet. They get the bad news that he's long gone offworld. Meanwhile, the assassin has been forcibly hired by another party to kill Sylveste. As luck or some bad pizza for Alastair would have it, spaceSlavs are short a gunnery officer so the assassin's new employer arranges to have her hired aboard.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 12 18:38:31 2016 No.8611733

>>8611730

From here the perspective shifts between assassin/engineer and Sylveste, usually for no particular effect other than Alastair seems to want the reader to keep dropping the narrative and reacquiring it. Sylveste was deposed in the opening scenes as the colonial leader. The upshot is that Sylveste is placed in a literary holding pattern while the rest of the story develops yet for some reason the perspective shifts back to him while he goes nowhere, except to being imprisoned by a new faction a decade or so later while he waits for the appropriate relativistic time to elapse before spaceSlavs finally show up on the scene.

Meanwhile aboard the good ship "Cyka Blyat", the assassin learns that she's actually been kidnapped by the devious Russkies. As their destinations are mutual (Sylveste), this doesn't pose a problem for her although the spaceSlavs don't know that yet. The reason that the spaceSlavs needed a gunnery officer is that the previous one went insane and was secretly killed by the ever-wakeful Engineer Geordi La Borscht. This massive decrepit hulk is inexplicably carrying a comprehensive array of doomsday weapons. Only one person can control these weapons because it requires special cyborg implants and extensive Call of Duty experience. Naturally the spaceSlavs shanghaied some rando to perform this crucial ship function.

After an interminable interlude, the spaceSlavs arrive at Planet Timbuktu and pick up Sylveste. As it turns out, he's unable to cast Cure Disease on the captain but that's okay because the real reason this ship was coming out here is that some hidden alien consciousness that Sylveste picked up a long time ago has been directing this abortion of a plot all along, which is truly good news for Alastair because I would not like to think he was responsible. Sylveste coerces the crew into taking the ship out to a neutron star nearby that has a weird planetoid orbiting it. Oh, I should mention that he has doomsday weapons the size of a grain of sand embedded in his bionic eyes and this is the best Alastair could come up with for how Sylveste should convince spaceSlavs to go visit this particular ball of rock.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Wed Oct 12 18:39:32 2016 No.8611740

>>8611733

Sylveste had been digging up artifacts from this dead alien race, most of which were of the arrowheads and bone variety because these aliens weren't cisgengered white imperialists. However, the thing he digs up in the opening scene turns out to be proof that his aliens had a tribe that split off and went spacefaring. Because he's got this alien tribe's leader's consciousness secretly inhabiting his brain--along with his dead father who Sylveste is actually a clone of but we don't need to go into that because screw Alastair--he is compelled to go out and visit this planetoid that the alien tribe left behind before disappearing some 100,000 years ago. At this point the cache of Soviet doomsday weapons comes in handy because the planetoid is a trove of sekrit knowledge hidden within a chocolate coating of guardian machine intelligence. spaceSlavs blow a hole in the shell so Sylveste can jet out in a EVA suit and go have a peek at the caramel goodness within.

During the alien tribe's spacelarking days, they discovered a relic from an early galactic war that was one of many placed in order to inhibit intelligent life from forming. Unfortunately, Samsung built the relics therefore haven't held up very well over the past million years so Alastair was allowed to write this book. However if you go out and poke one of the relics, they work just fine which is what happened to the aliens. Despite being fatally screwed by their jiggery pokery, they manage to candycoat the relic and create a couple of fallback options. The neutron star is some sort of needlessly Matrix where some of the alien tribe is stored: if only they had known they could just have used Sylveste's head instead. The rest went into some spacetime Hole in the Wall hideout which is where Sylveste got possessed by spaceGeronimo on an earlier unrelated voyage that turns out is related because Deus Ex Machina. Despite quarantining the relic, the aliens have now decided to use Sylveste to see if it still works.

I was planning to pick at the plotholes in this threadbare dreck but I think I've made my point, which isn't particularly creditable. I should have bailed on this book about halfway through but I toughed it out with the idea of providing a thoughtful review but my patience ran out long before the book did and now I've written this somewhat meanspirited summary. Well, that's 4chan for you.

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 19:20:55 2016 No.8611861
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>>8610360
I've been reading pic related. Book Kino is a lot more feisty, I'm a little disappointed. Maybe she smooths out. The last /a/ thread anons were talking about things like train adventures (I think) and a cozy store in the middle of a prairie that sells atom bombs.

>>8610819
>you just know he's gonna be angsting over it in Oathkeeper.
If he doesn't angst I'll want my money back.

>>8610960
Sounds neat. Go for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 19:32:43 2016 No.8611893 File: 312 KB, 1375x2048, WoR_SKETCHBOOK-PATTERN_fmt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8611730 >a lack of FTL Read the next books, friend! Also, many of the short stories in the universe are spectacular.

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 19:35:02 2016 No.8611901

>>8611740
I was more forgiving than you, but the thing I couldn't stand was his softening of the characters of the two women -- the assassin and the weapons-keeper on the ship. They're introduced as total badasses and then every 50 pages or so we get another "but..." until they're painting each others' toes at the space spa by the end. Just a fizzle.

Somebody sell me on Chasm City.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 19:36:26 2016 No.8611903 File: 131 KB, 612x1022, 1470854461195.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it better to look for older sci-fi and fantasy at used book stores rather than chains?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 19:41:11 2016 No.8611917 >>8611903 That's what I do. There is a used bookstore here run by volunteers that funds the local library. They are well stocked with donations from estates and whatnot.

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 19:42:39 2016 No.8611922

>>8611903
Better for what? The author doesn't see any percentage of used book sales, if that counts with you.

On the other hand, publishers often demand cartel-tier prices on back catalog books -- even ebooks -- and paying those prices seems like an endorsement of a rigged system.

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 20:04:49 2016 No.8611990

>>8611922
>book has been out for 5 years
>ebook is the same price as when it was new, while used copies are selling for $1

This is pretty much the only reason I buy print SF/fantasy any more, the other is if I'm reading a series from the library and there's a gap in it. Getting a ereader has done wonders for decluttering my shelves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 20:27:07 2016 No.8612053 >>8611922 I mean in terms of selection. Chain store in my area only has ultra popular old authors like Tolkien and they only have two books by Wolfe.

>>	TheBard !fJwf.OlkE6 Wed Oct 12 21:01:54 2016 No.8612155 >>8611499 Thanks. I never wanted it in the OP to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:31:30 2016 No.8612245 File: 24 KB, 400x480, map.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:35:32 2016 No.8612254 10 years till I'm in my 80s

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:36:25 2016 No.8612256 >>8612254 I reached 80 animes watched long ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:36:43 2016 No.8612257 >>8612245 >ab-humans Lovecraft? Is that you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:37:38 2016 No.8612263 >>8612257 If he had a time machine maybe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:39:38 2016 No.8612268 >>8612245 >tfw the spontaneous rescue party gets sucked into the House of Silence >tfw MC has to crawl between the House and the Seven Lights

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 21:51:07 2016 No.8612290 >>8612256 It takes some people a long time to grow up. I watched over 500 complete series before I gave up on that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 22:07:52 2016 No.8612333 File: 32 KB, 314x500, 419S0sZ1uNL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8611491 I'm reading this one, and it's new. Really, really long though. I haven't finished it yet.

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 22:22:00 2016 No.8612368
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Have anyone read the Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks?
Is it good?
I have read The Night Angel trilogy by him and it was meh/okay.
He build an interesting world, but it didn't go anywhere.
Is Lightbringer series better??

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 22:29:19 2016 No.8612397 >>8612368 Yeah it's great

Anonymous Wed Oct 12 22:41:15 2016 No.8612439

>>8612368
It's basically the Night Angel minus most of the teenage cringe plus a Brandon Sanderson magic system and a bit of polish.

I think it makes a world of difference and the new series is much, much better than the old. I'm hype for the new book and hope he didn't use the long break to shit all over his story like GRRM.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 23:10:46 2016 No.8612519 >>8612439 >minus most of the teenage cringe Kip is just fat Kylar. Don't get me wrong, I like Brent Weeks' work. The action is great. But his characters are edgy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 23:11:29 2016 No.8612521 File: 119 KB, 800x790, 1474993709773.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8611475 >No more shilling edition bakker is love bakker is life

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 23:18:02 2016 No.8612533 >>8612053 Do you have any geek stores in your area? Forbidden Planet in my city has a great sff section.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 12 23:54:15 2016 No.8612631 >>8612533 There's a sci-fi and fantasy specialty store an hour away but apparently they specialize in newer releases only :(

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 00:26:43 2016 No.8612721 >>8612631 That sucks. Look into second hand book stores, pop-up book markets or buying online.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 00:32:33 2016 No.8612735 File: 247 KB, 1234x1733, mars04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Japanese Dejah Thoris wears more clothes

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 00:39:12 2016 No.8612747 File: 475 KB, 349x501, ba8e7401132f90ea32740eb9319d6a7a.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8612735 Japanese covers for western sci-fi books are great

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 00:52:53 2016 No.8612772 >>8612735 >I was just a average Virginian civil war veteran and gold prospector who was suddenly transported to the planet Mars while hiding from Indians in a cave!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 02:02:33 2016 No.8612901 >>8611652 Well you asked for new books... what is wrong with someone giving you a link to a list of new releases? Are you autistic?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 02:24:15 2016 No.8612932 File: 133 KB, 400x564, jp ASoS 氷と炎の歌 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8612747 Japanese covers for everything are great. >only Japan puts Tyrion on a cover and actually shows him to be as ugly as described

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 02:25:11 2016 No.8612934 Picked up Ted Chiang's short stories and I really enjoy them. Anything similar? Also dabbling in "weird fiction" like Vandermeer's Annhilation trilogy and Victor LaValle. Any recs. /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 02:27:54 2016 No.8612941 >>8612932 jesus he looks like a Bebe

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 03:05:59 2016 No.8613000 File: 151 KB, 490x770, Blood mirror.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8611608 R E A D Y E A D Y

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 03:23:45 2016 No.8613039

Hss anyone else been corrupted by pol. Was reading a breddy gud series, when a prominent character was mentioned as being in a relationship with an alien woman. I put the book down and cant pick it back up just because of one offhanded paragraph that was obviously there for a bit of humor.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 04:06:39 2016 No.8613135 >>8613039 It does piss me off a lot when feminist rhetoric is hamfisted in for no reason

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 04:14:29 2016 No.8613151

>>8611730
>>8611733
>>8611740

There are factual errors in this. Your reading comprehension needs improving.
- Only two of the crew members had Slavic names. Yuuji Sajaki or Captain John Brannigan don't sound Russian at all. But you just needed to push bland memes.
- The Russian engineer doesn't like to stay thawed for the endless transit. It clearly says that she only woke up earlier than others.
>or no apparent reason other than it's hard to write exposition from a character point of view if the character is a fishstick.
No, it was because she had some stuff to do before the arrival.

>derelict interstellar warship
Derelict? With crew and operable? Not the definition of the word. Also, not a warship, mainly a commercial vessel. The armament is "defensive."

And so on.
You sound underage with all those memes. I'ts like you went through the effort of putting at least one in each sentence.
>Samsung built the relics
>Am I cool yet mommy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 04:25:36 2016 No.8613169 i'm finally going to give fantasy a chance, /sffg/ i have been told to start with either Titus Groan, A Wizard of Earthsea or The Fellowship of the Ring which one and what do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 04:29:03 2016 No.8613172 >>8613169 The person who recommended you those is a Dinosaur living in the past. They're all boring and dated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 04:32:15 2016 No.8613178 >>8613172 what would (You) recommend instead?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 05:09:27 2016 No.8613234 >>8613169 Why are you reading fantasy? There's no correct staring place, you just read whatever looks good to you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 05:13:11 2016 No.8613240 File: 208 KB, 356x378, 31276373.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8613172 That's not even funny bait, delete this immediately.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 05:25:30 2016 No.8613265 A recent movie trailer got me hyped for the adventures of Dwarves in mines, are there any good stories that are either entirely or at least in large part about that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 05:26:41 2016 No.8613269 >>8613169 You should read The Hobbit before Fellowship.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 05:36:05 2016 No.8613278 >>8612333 Are you enjoying it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 07:21:33 2016 No.8613541 >>8613265 The Fifth Elephant Thud!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 07:22:10 2016 No.8613544 >>8613541 Read them both, more please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 08:00:54 2016 No.8613760 >>8611733 >>8611740 >>8613151 I thought it was a pretty good book, although the ending with [spoiler}teh matrix[/spoiler] was pretty lame. I had a hard-on all the way through the descent into Cerberus part. The sequels suck though, like really.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 08:04:42 2016 No.8613779 >>8611498 You can't rape the willing.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 08:05:08 2016 No.8613781
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>>8612521
>ruining beautiful Inchoroi with frog memes
Damn you millenials.
Here's a Bashrag though.
Tekne gives me a hard-on. I pretty much started reading Bakker solely for the Tekne, because it's a rip off of Tleilaxu of the Dune series (which I love).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 08:06:36 2016 No.8613790 >>8613039 Yes, you are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 09:12:47 2016 No.8614098 >>8611740 You semi memed your review. It's exactly how I write reviews on goodreads (you should put your review there), hell I could probably put it there and my goodreads "friends" would think I wrote it.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 09:16:08 2016 No.8614115 >>8613151 You sound pissed that you finished it, too. I feel ya, bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 09:21:36 2016 No.8614145 File: 70 KB, 800x533, Grandson helping grandpa to post.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8612254

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 09:29:21 2016 No.8614175 >>8613265 Search goodreads for dwarves then.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 09:36:08 2016 No.8614213 >>8613760 >I thought it was a pretty good book Do you remember why you thought so? It would provide a nice counterpoint to my admittedly high-handed review.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 09:55:28 2016 No.8614306 >>8614115 No, bro, you don't feel me. I liked it. And by now I've read almost everything by Alastair Reynolds. Sure he's not perfect, but I'm entertained.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 10:02:35 2016 No.8614341 File: 12 KB, 259x194, tmp_14585-Snowflake1385442139.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8614306 Sorry you have hurt feelings then. Hope you get better soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:11:32 2016 No.8614381 >>8614341 snowflake says the trip user Stop projecting hurt feelings on a few lines of text dissing your bad "review"

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:12:34 2016 No.8614390 I am so glad to see the Nobel prize die that's what they get for not taking scifi seriously

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:24:01 2016 No.8614445 I just bought the Neuromancer trilogy, Blade Runner and Gun with Occasional Music. What am I in for? Besides Ubik my first Sci-Fi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:29:41 2016 No.8614472 So I have finished reading The Fall of Hyperion. Is Endymion worth it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:31:26 2016 No.8614486 >>8614472 If you feel the immense satisfaction I did at the end of Fall of then don't bother. If you're still a bit hungry then push on, but it's nowhere near as good as the first two.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:32:27 2016 No.8614491 best sci fi novels which draw heavily from greek mythology?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:32:29 2016 No.8614492 File: 240 KB, 1453x1071, s-l1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8614175 >being purely objective instead of initiating discussion stop being a stick in the mud

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:36:07 2016 No.8614505 >>8614486 Thanks senpai. I will start A Canticle for Leibowitz tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:38:21 2016 No.8614512 File: 67 KB, 800x512, 1473094103944.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what's some good sci-fi that's come out this year?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 10:49:10 2016 No.8614551 >>8614505 Canticle is a good book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:40:28 2016 No.8614836 What books have an central immortallity theme? I have already read the dune series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:49:17 2016 No.8614888 File: 42 KB, 295x460, The_Boat_of_a_Million_Years.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8614836 At least half of it is historical fiction. I thought it was comfy, if a bit drawn out (expected space to happen sooner).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:49:53 2016 No.8614894 >>8611498 It was to prepare him to lead the ordeal while kellhus fucks back off to the Empire to watch them die

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:50:20 2016 No.8614897 File: 51 KB, 496x602, 1476373820639.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8614491 Dune prequels

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:51:29 2016 No.8614901 >>8614381 >give the Columbian President the peace prize >literally days after he confirmed that he would not negotiate with the communist rebels, bringing an end to forty years of sectarian violence They're a fucking joke >>8614445 Reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:57:27 2016 No.8614941 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/17/the-fantastic-ursula-k-le-guin article - semi-biographic - about Le Guin, but some phrases about 'genre fiction' and the perception thereof. I liked reading it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 11:57:47 2016 No.8614944 >>8614888 Thanks anon. It looks pretty interesting and it's the first time i've seen Anderson in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:11:05 2016 No.8615025 >>8614944 I think goatboy reviewed it a month or two ago. He didn't like it.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 12:11:07 2016 No.8615026 File: 41 KB, 307x475, To Live Forever - Jack Vance.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8614836 "To Live Forever" by Jack Vance (or his preferred title, "Clarges", depending on where you source the novel from).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:30:20 2016 No.8615096 The most repeated themes on immortality, are a) anybody can have it if they have the money or b) the immortals are beings born with this ability. It's rare to find a book with characters that strive to achieve immortality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:36:22 2016 No.8615109 File: 20 KB, 362x362, cg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you re-read Hyperion for the third time Why is this book so comfy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:37:54 2016 No.8615113 >>8615109 >>tfw you re-read the Hyperion series for the third time ftfy

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 12:38:27 2016 No.8615116
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>>8613151

>>8613151

>There are factual errors in this.

Let's have a look at this, shall we?

>Only two of the crew members had Slavic names.

>Nagorny
>Volyova
>Sudjic (Serbian Slav)

3/7. I had to refer to the group as something and spaceSlavs is only slightly more childish than Ultras.

>The Russian engineer doesn't like to stay thawed for the endless transit. It clearly says that she only woke up earlier than others.

>"This had been [Volyova's] routine now for the better part of two years, and would continue for another two and half, until the ship arrived around Resurgam and the others came out of reefersleep."
>"‘You’ve really been awake all this time?’ Khouri asked, shortly after waking herself, as she and Volyova journeyed down to see the Captain."
>"Khouri searched Volyova’s face for concrete evidence of the seven additional years the woman had aged since their last meeting."

>Derelict? With crew and operable? Not the definition of the word.

Oxford Dictionary
Adjective
1. In a very poor condition as a result of disuse and neglect.

>"The ship was so large — so stupidly large — that even its extremities beggared the mind.
>when the crew numbered thousands"
>"subtracting Nagorny, the ship now carried six crew members."
>"given the state of the ship’s decay"
>"life-support one of the rare systems which still functioned as intended"
>"Ship-slime, Volyova called it — an organic secretion caused by malfunctioning biological recycler systems on an adjacent level."
>"It was a big ship and there were whole regions of it through which nothing could be tracked, where sensors had stopped working."

I'll agree that I should have used "falling apart" or some variant thereof.

>Also, not a warship, mainly a commercial vessel. The armament is "defensive."

>"The fiction was so absolute that they went through the motions of trade just like all the other Ultra crews."
>"Khouri had seen something of the cache of weapons stored within the ship."
>"‘Some of them are more than capable of taking planets apart. Others… I don’t even want to guess. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some of them did unpleasant things to stars. Exactly who’d want to use such weapons…’ She trailed off.
‘Who did you use them against?’
‘Enemies, of course.’"
>"What they eventually planned to do with the cache — how they planned to discharge the world-wrecking power they possessed — was not yet clear"
>"Given the nature of the lighthugger, Khouri thought, there ought to be enough suitable weapons lying around for her use."

You know what the kicker is, though? I listened to the audiobook.

>Your reading comprehension needs improving.

I absorb more details listening distractedly than you do reading.

Now can you supply supporting arguments as to why the story and plot are not as I described or are you only capable of shallow attacks?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:38:29 2016 No.8615117
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>>8614836
Pic related might also be relevant inasmuch as everyone retains the memories of past lives, except the protagonist. On death they go into storage and eventually get reborn as a child.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:41:30 2016 No.8615128 >>8614491 Red rising >>8614944 By this thread, you mean this particular general? Because he(and that book) was mentioned numerous times over the long months of this general's meager existence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:42:10 2016 No.8615133 >>8615113 Nah m8, I love The Fall, but Endymions pedophile adventures are boring as fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:42:59 2016 No.8615137 File: 11 KB, 183x276, epic_of_gilgamesh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8614836 You might as well read the classics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:46:07 2016 No.8615148 >>8615096 Coldfire Trilogy BoTNS Joe Pitt casebooks Malazan Night Angel Trilogy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:48:47 2016 No.8615159 >>8615128 >long months of this general's meager existence. How long has it been around? Wasn't it late springish 2015? Or summer?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:52:48 2016 No.8615171

>>8615148
>Coldfire Trilogy

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36159.Black_Sun_Rising?from_search=true

Where is the immortality theme?

>BoTNS

?

>Joe Pitt casebooks

Vampires? Really?

>Malazan

Respect. Great shit.

>Night Angel Trilogy

Assasins. Where is the immortality theme?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 12:53:31 2016 No.8615173 >>8615171 Read the books and find out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 13:01:11 2016 No.8615200 File: 15 KB, 401x301, FB_IMG_1472624252597.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8615128 >red rising

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 13:16:49 2016 No.8615266 is Boy in Darkness scary?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 13:19:19 2016 No.8615281 >>8613169 Read Conan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 13:25:46 2016 No.8615318 >>8615281 why

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 14:48:01 2016 No.8615665

>>8615116
Oh you crack me up. The damage control is through the roof. When I posted the first reply, I mainly had beef with your overly enthusiastic meme-speak, but chose to mostly address the factual stuff. The plot stuff itself is correct enough, if somewhat abridged, but that is expected. Just hard to follow with all the memes. Here though, you are somewhat mistaken, or unclear in your presentation:
>>8611740
>During the alien tribe's spacelarking days, they discovered a relic from an early galactic war that was one of many placed in order to inhibit intelligent life from forming. Unfortunately, Samsung built the relics therefore haven't held up very well over the past million years so Alastair was allowed to write this book. However if you go out and poke one of the relics, they work just fine which is what happened to the aliens.
The relics themselves do not inhibit intelligent life from forming. They are interstellar-sentience traps put here and there around objects of interest, namely the anomalous neutron star it is orbiting. Or the portal to the inside of the neutron star mechanism to be exact. The fake moon around the whole thing was later built so that people wouldn't poke it, and we all know how that turns out. Once triggered, by the resurgam-dwellers in the past and by humans in the course of the book, the Inhibitors come out of deeper space to purge.

The kicker? I also listened to the audiobook, but years ago.
And so I didn't remember her being awake for the whole 20 year trip to Resurgam. Which you so helpfully quoted. I remembered the first trip in the book, the one to Yellowstone, where Volyova states:
> 'I woke a year ahead of the others,' Volyova said. 'To give me time to oversee the system and keep an eye on how you were doing....'
A year isn't that long compared to the decade long trips in interstellar space.

>>Sudjic (Serbian Slav)
Got me there with that obscure name. But Serbian doesn't quite qualify as Russian, as you used slavs and russkies interchangeably.

By derelict I meant the definition attributed to derelict ships, as they don't have crews.
>a piece of property, especially a ship, abandoned by the owner and in poor condition.
Again, my mistake. English is only my third language. Thanks for pointing that out.

And the whole warship thing. Nostalgia for Infinity used to be a commercial vessel. It has the in-ship forests, recreational atrium levels, and two sets of these:
>two hundred levels of cryogenic storage bays; sufficient capacity for one hundred thousand sleepers
The current crew of the ship might not trade much or carry passengers, but the ship still isn't a warship. It's defenses are mostly standard among ships of the class, like anti-asteroid stuff among other things if I recall correctly. The Cache weapons are not part of the ship, they are just carried inside a half-kilometer chamber. I

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 15:20:58 2016 No.8615844
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>>8615665

C'mon, man. Let's dial it back here and be honest. You didn't like that I didn't like what you liked. Alright, so my write-up was juvenile. I didn't misrepresent Reynolds or misinterpret the story. I simply didn't care for the story.

Now, if you'd just come along and said, hey, I think those relics were meant to be traps and are you sure you understood that, then hey, I'd go look up the relevant passages. I admit, this is the only idea I found truly interesting in the book. I wish he'd steered the book to focus on the Fermi Paradox earlier instead of making up doomsday weapons or ghosts in the shell every time he needed something to happen in the plot. Instead, the book reads like a 500-page setup for the sequel.

Hell, I'm not even mad. Most of the (young?) folks posting in these threads can't articulate a reason for why they liked or disliked a work, even if you prompt them. I guess haters are at least something to post for.

Now that you mention it though, I'm going to go read that bit about the relics. I remember him saying they were decaying--and the spaceComanches suspect as much which is why Sun Stealer wants to test them with Sylveste--but how does that make sense if the trap still works.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:25:42 2016 No.8615872 >>8614491 Orphans of Chaos. Not even joking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:26:37 2016 No.8615877 >>8614944 I try to shill The Broken Sword at least once a thread and someone else does the same for Tau Zero.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:32:59 2016 No.8615905
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Alright, I admit that the idea was interesting and the ending pretty cool, but it was just too long. The first half was slow, and I couldn't figure out where the story was going. I was reading it to take a break from Malazan... Should have stuck to pulp I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:35:54 2016 No.8615921 >>8615905 Shut up and read Gormenghast and eat your carrots.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 15:43:32 2016 No.8615955

>>8615844

Yeah, here it is. I'm looking at it in Calibre so I don't know what the page numbers would be but it's near the end when Volyova and Khouri are telling Pascale about the Dawn War. They're describing the relics as machines seeded by the Inhibitors, "designed to detect the emergence of life and then suppress it". "'Their machines worked fine for a few hundred million years,’ she said. ‘But then stuff started to go wrong. They started failing; not working as efficiently as intended. Intelligent cultures began to emerge which would have previously been suppressed at birth.'"

The only known trap is outside the Resurgam system so why would the Amarantin in the Shroud suspect the machines were failing?.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:49:38 2016 No.8615997

>>8615844
It's okay if you don't like the book, just don't be so juvenile.
Also it irritates that you need a username on an anonymous image board.
The sequels, esp Redemption Ark, further explore the Inhibitors and the relics and other stuff.

>>8615955
>so why would the Amarantin in the Shroud suspect the machines were failing?
It was probably explained more in Redemption Ark. The Inhibitors were more fleshed out then. Probably because of all the humans still running about, and the others.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 15:54:35 2016 No.8616011 >>8615921 crying_anime_girl.jpg

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 16:23:03 2016 No.8616129

>>8615997

>it irritates that you need a username on an anonymous image board.

Here's my reasoning for why I use a trip:

1. It makes following a particular conversation in a thread easier, thus avoiding "I'm not that anon"; "I'm the spaceSlav anon"; etc.

2. Moot or Hiroshima or Shkreli or Milo already profile us based on our IPs. Each post is simple text that can be parsed to build a profile on each user and are even helpfully divided into interests (boards). This sort of profile is useful to advertisers: see Google and Facebook for the principle writ larger. My pet theory is that 4chan has long been selling these profiles to interested parties to support itself, along with the ancillary revenue from ads, CAPTCHAs and shilling. So "anonymous" posting doesn't really exist, except from me to you. I choose not to do that because I find it counterproductive due to point #1.

Could I still be turning my trip off and pretending to be another anon? Sure, but I could just do that with two anon posts. Am I trying to build some sort of social media brand? No: wouldn't Reddit or YT be more effective if I were inclined to do so? I find that I behave better with a trip because it holds me to a standard, even if that standard is just my self-image.

Anyhoo, this will be the only time I mention my tripfag reasoning in this thread. I'm open to counter arguments though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:27:03 2016 No.8616150 >>8611475 That orbital ring is from Tekkaman Blade, isn't it?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:27:59 2016 No.8616158

>>8616129
>implying anyone goes anon because they think they're invisible
We all know about Thad, faggot. And your tripcode draws attention to you, and to everything else you've ever posted, and destroys the holy purity of every conversation being with a new person. Do you need our reasoning for not using usernames on an anonymous image board? Would you like URLs for boards where everyone uses usernames and you always know who you're talking to? Maybe with rating systems so only the best comments get seen?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:34:14 2016 No.8616188

>>8616129
>So "anonymous" posting doesn't really exist, except from me to you.
But you don't post for google or the ads, you post for the users and yourself.

>Am I trying to build some sort of social media brand?
You are building a localized brand, by being an ass

It isn't that hard to follow anonymous dialogue, especially on this slow board.

>because it holds me to a standard
Ha, nice one!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:34:16 2016 No.8616189 I just finished the old kingdom trilogy Did I like the series? Do I think the dog didn't actually die? Do I have any other questions? Do I want to know?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:34:59 2016 No.8616190 >>8616129 >Am I trying to build some sort of social media brand? clearly

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:35:14 2016 No.8616192

>>8614213
Ilia Volyova is really cool, the Shrouds sound really cooll, I like the description of the ship, the ending was REALLY cool and vivid (except the part I mentioned)
> It took hours to reach it, and he began to doubt that his initial estimate of the diameter of the
chamber had been accurate. But, inexorably, the apparent rate of revolution of the jewel dropped to
zero, until the chamber walls were spinning dizzily..

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 16:35:48 2016 No.8616196

>>8616158

>Maybe with rating systems so only the best comments get seen?

No, that's essentially Reddit. As we can see, that devolves into everyone trying to make humorous comments because amusement is the most likely spur for someone to upvote. This results in a vapid environment, even if agenda-driven moderation wasn't also in the mix.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:43:51 2016 No.8616230

>>8616129
The occasional tripcode isn't a big deal, it's when y'all multiply that problems happen. Generals like this are, by their very nature, festering breeding grounds of tripfag pestilence. Now, I appreciate the contributions you've made thus far goatboy, but my principles demand you be made an object of ridicule.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:45:40 2016 No.8616236 >>8616129 Trip-fagging justifications are always painful to read.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 16:48:08 2016 No.8616250
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>>8616192

>I like the description of the ship

I agree that the Ultra ship is intriguing. It reminds me of a similar concept done by GRRM in "Tuf Voyaging". I suppose the concept is really "The Flying Dutchman" in space but it's still fun. Who doesn't want to stumble on some big spooky ghostship that still works?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 16:57:46 2016 No.8616286 >>8616196 >No, that's essentially Reddit. That's essentially my point. The point of anon is to subsume your ego in the collective. The end point of ego is Reddit.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:00:20 2016 No.8616297

>>8616230
This. Even based tripfags deserve ridicule for pragmatic reasons. If you are actually a publishing agent or Paolo Bacigalupi or someone important coming in for an interview, or if you're doing a fan translation of a lost Strugatsky novel and you're looking for editors, a trip is fine, even important. If you're just attaching a name to your opinions, this is not the place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:06:59 2016 No.8616322 >>8616286 >>8616297 Strongly agree with these. It doesn't belong here. The entire rest of the internet has named posts. If a person values the difference anonymity brings they should respect it with their own behavior.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:07:04 2016 No.8616323 File: 450 KB, 1416x988, THT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this ever gonna fugging come out?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:09:36 2016 No.8616331 >>8614491 Apparently Delaney's nova is heavily based off Jason and the Argonauts.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 17:16:54 2016 No.8616356

>>8616286

>subsume your ego in the collective

That's a nice turn of phrase.

By using a trip, aren't I actually giving up advantages that anons have? For example, my trip could easily be filtered where a personality like dinoposter can snipe at will. Why then would you want the behavior discouraged if by doing so you could more easily neutralize me?

>>8616322

>If a person values the difference anonymity brings they should respect it with their own behavior.

How does my trip choice lessen your anonymity?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:21:32 2016 No.8616374

>>8616356
I don't want to have to set up filters. I don't even necessarily want to lose your opinion. I just don't want a consistent name attached to it. GRI-poster was just one voice until we amplified, but we can't meme you right now.

We have created a beautiful anonymous temple and you are sullying it with your ego.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:22:09 2016 No.8616379 I'm reading Starship troopers right now and while it's pretty engaging I'm starting to resent the preachy Mr Dubois flashbacks. I just got to the part where they're making fun of 20th century people for not having public flogging

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:24:16 2016 No.8616382 >>8616379 I get the idea Heinlein wasn't 100% behind the philosophy in ST, but he wanted to show the way someone in that society would think. http://www.chronicle.com/article/In-Defense-of-Flogging/127208/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:27:01 2016 No.8616396 >>8616356 Anonymity here isn't about hiding your identity, it's about not imposing it on the group

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:27:27 2016 No.8616397 >>8616189 >Did I like the series? Yes, Garth Nix is a great YA writer. >Do I think the dog didn't actually die? You're not sure, but decide to read Goldenhand to see if that has any answers.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:49:27 2016 No.8616482 >>8616323 Never Ever Ever. And when it does it'll be disappointingly short.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:50:24 2016 No.8616485 best fantasy is realistic fantasy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:53:07 2016 No.8616495 >>8616485 Fantasy isn't realistic by definition

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:56:24 2016 No.8616511 >>8616485 Could you give three examples, and three more from what you consider to be the opposite camp?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 17:57:48 2016 No.8616518 >>8616485 >>8616495 It should have some deviation from the normal world, but after that everything being realistic, or at least plausible, helps you suspend your disbelief.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:10:37 2016 No.8616573 Are there any good fantasy books with the same dark tone of Game of Thrones, except actually well written?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:10:54 2016 No.8616576 >>8616518 You're just talking about non-magic realism fantasy. And magic realism is just fantasy written by authors who think "I can probably do fantasy way better than those nerds" without actually reading any.

>>	Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 18:22:34 2016 No.8616614 >>8616382 >http://www.chronicle.com/article/In-Defense-of-Flogging/127208/ Interesting article; thanks. Did you agree with Moskos or were you just linking it because it was relevant?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:24:36 2016 No.8616621 >>8615171 You wanted people looking for Immortality, I gave you recommendations from what I read and Remember.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:25:53 2016 No.8616626

>>8616614
Moskos doesn't even support flogging, he just believes it's less cruel than a machine that sucks years off your life. I don't have a problem with it, and it feels like prison for everything is one of those weird bits of modern culture that will look really funny in a hundred years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:27:27 2016 No.8616637 File: 44 KB, 315x475, 47970.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can anyone recommend something as comfy as this where nothing goes awry and there's cool science fictiony stuff happening. Prime escapism stuff I mean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:37:12 2016 No.8616669 Damn, just finish Hyperion, really enjoyed it. Are the sequels worth it? Heard some are b ad

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:38:14 2016 No.8616672 Can someone post the First Law/Abercrombie goodreads parody review.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:45:17 2016 No.8616698 >>8616669 I thought they were a mistake. Many others like first, fewer and fewer enjoy the rest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 18:50:58 2016 No.8616713 >>8616669 Read Fall of Hyperion and then stop. Tbh I think Hyperion ends well on its own

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:09:43 2016 No.8616780

Is there any mystery you guys would recommend?

Is there not a mystery with sci Fi or supernatural elements to it? Kind of like I, Robot or Minority Report. I've been itching for a good mystery, I think those two are the only ones I can remember that isn't a detective story in a small town

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:16:32 2016 No.8616811 File: 47 KB, 294x500, caves of steel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8616780 Asimov's robot novels are literal mystery stories. It's a human detected paired with a robot sidekick.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 19:17:25 2016 No.8616814
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>>8616780

>supernatural elements

"The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown comes to mind. Stephen King seems like a treasure trove for this theme as well.

>sci Fi

Jack Vance's Cadwal series or "Night Lamp" although the scifi elements are usually understated in his stories.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:17:53 2016 No.8616815 >>8616780 Golden Age SF was all about some mystery being solved by science, especially the shorts like you mentioned in I, Robot. Find a decent anthology and there should be a few.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:18:58 2016 No.8616821 File: 225 KB, 934x1500, storm_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8616780 Also, early Dresden is a noir detective in a supernatural world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:23:37 2016 No.8616844 >>8616780 I feel like there are a ton of them in addition to Dresden on the supernatural side. Anita Blake, Johannes Cabal, The Nightside series...I know I'm forgetting some.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:43:54 2016 No.8616914 >>8616485 I'm beyond tired of the "quirky hyper realistic witty snark" type of characters this meme has stopped being refreshing like a decade ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 19:50:11 2016 No.8616943 >>8616914 You don't like every character being Joss Whedon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:03:23 2016 No.8617017 >>8616943 oh right make that TWO decades ago It's exhausting at this point.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:17:32 2016 No.8617078 >>8615872 I think Wright's SF is great but I've stayed away from his fantasy and I'm afraid the constant memeing of Orphans is gradually wearing me down. Thanks?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:19:05 2016 No.8617086 >>8617078 But Orphans is SF.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:19:56 2016 No.8617089 >>8617068 >there will never be a good Seveneves movie throwing shade on The Martian

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:22:12 2016 No.8617096 >>8617086 On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being Awake in the Night Land and 1 being a rant about Korra-san on his blog, where would you place Orphans?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:24:25 2016 No.8617106 >>8617096 I'd say 6, 7 for the well-timed action scenes and any time Mavors was on screen. All the romance parts were 4 at best.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:33:20 2016 No.8617132

>>8617096
>implying Wright was not 100% correct about Korra
He's at his best when he's memeing on Pullman though.

>The plot promised us that the republic of heaven would overthrow the heavenly kingdom. This magnificently blasphemous idea should have been something like Ancient Rome among the clouds, Senators draped in constellations and crowned with glory, with newly-immortal men voting on issues of heaven and hell, debating the destinies of stars and nations, weighing issues of fate and incarnation and reincarnation, meting out rewards and punishments for the quick and the dead, and ending with Jehovah hanged for a tyrant or sent to the Guillotine, while Cain and Ixion and Prometheus and Sisyphus, and all the dead drowned by the Deluge of Noah or the wars of Joshua, stand around hooting the throwing fruit. Instead the tyrant dies by falling out of bed.
>Why, oh, why in a book about the virtues of not listening to authority and not taking anything on faith, did everyone in the book, and I mean everyone, believe whatever a dusty pocketwatch told them to do?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 20:47:34 2016 No.8617176

>>8616356
Excuse me smallhorse, have you yet encountered the writings of renowned internet essayist K. A. Zerad? He has penned a few articles on the culture of anonymity and 4chan in specific. You can read them for free on his website (here is a good place to start http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/96020280368/faceless-together ). He doesn't really address tripcodes (briefly here http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/97137534153/miscellaneous-followups ), but may give you a better idea of why they upset us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:11:03 2016 No.8617226 >>8617176 I always find it ironic that 4chan has a tumblr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:16:08 2016 No.8617238 >>8616323 >when privilege reigns Oh god it's going to be crammed full of tumblr-tier-ham-fisted-point-making about equality and other things no one actually disagrees with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:19:35 2016 No.8617247 The only fantasy I've read is Tolkein. Though I wouldn't call it fantasy. It's an artificial mythology. Are any fantasy books as well developed with consistent themes while not being explicitly derivative?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:22:47 2016 No.8617252 >>8617106 Yeah but how much of it is awkward romance? My impressions aren't favorable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:26:28 2016 No.8617262 >>8617247 Earthsea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:27:04 2016 No.8617267 >>8617247 Fantasy is mostly artificial mythology, in its broadest sense. When you say "while not being explicitly derivative" -- derivative of what, exactly? Tolkien? Myth?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:31:33 2016 No.8617281

>>8617267
Not derivative of Tolkien. I realize this could be interpreted as a troll post but I feel that Tolkien is standing head and shoulders above a sea of imitators in this genre and I'm just wondering if anything else can compare to him in quality.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:35:40 2016 No.8617291

>>8617281
The truth of that largely depends on your attitude toward fantasy in general but I would say that if Tolkien is the only fantasy you've read then you have no basis to be making that call.

Tolkien remains popular because his world was in-depth and "started" a fantasy movement and not necessarily because his work is head and shoulders above the rest. Certainly, there are thousands upon thousands of "types" of fantasy stories that aren't Tolkien-esque, let alone derivative of him, and they vary as widely in quality as books in any other genre do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:52:13 2016 No.8617349 Would the concept of a main character having the ability to turn into various forms of supernatural creatures to fight them work in a fantasy series? Seems more urban fantasy but sounds like a neat little idea.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 21:52:41 2016 No.8617350

>>8617291
Tolkiens appeal for me lies in the fact that it's not very fantastical at all but more grounded. The fantasy elements aren't wild comic book style adventure stuff but just exagerated versions of real things.

Music is powerful and can move us to emotion and in Tolkiens works Powerful beings sing and effect physical change on the world. There is evil in mens hearts and our emotions get the better of us andin the ring we see the logical extreme of what happens when the worst aspect of a characters personality takes control of them.

It's this kind of subtle exageration I'm talking about that seperates Tolkiens works from some of the cheesier elements. Are there other books like this?

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:01:19 2016 No.8617372

>>8617350
Thomas Covenant books follow the same good + evil + artifact formula, but have something to offer on their own.

But you won't like the genre as much if you keep Tolkien as your yardstick. He was too much FPBP in his niche.

For different takes try an original Conan story, a Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser story and Lyonesse by Jack Vance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:07:45 2016 No.8617401 File: 56 KB, 537x540, Cosmere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I hope we get more Wayne + Shotgun shenanigans in The Lost Metal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:18:48 2016 No.8617437 >>8617372 Well I'm not really here to get into the genre. I'm trying to poach the things that are literature and leave the pulp behind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:20:03 2016 No.8617440 >>8617437 >the things that are literature No such thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:21:28 2016 No.8617444 >>8617437 But the best literature is pulp. If you just want to read stuff that makes Gaiman-sempai notice you check his site.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:28:37 2016 No.8617465 >>8617440 >>8617444 Oh. I didn't realize this was the plebian quarantine general

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:30:25 2016 No.8617478 File: 115 KB, 558x526, Who Reading.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lol who reading it now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:31:21 2016 No.8617481 >>8617465 Well you should have spent five minutes in outer lit and you would have understood.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:32:37 2016 No.8617485 File: 173 KB, 1280x720, [HorribleSubs] Bernard Jou Iwaku. - 01 [720p].mkv_000122.816.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8617465 >relying on others to tell him what is patrician You realize what that makes you, doesn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:33:32 2016 No.8617489 File: 158 KB, 521x289, Coming Soon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] To the cunt who recommended Tunnel in the Sky. How the fuck do you expect me to start at book 9 of a book series?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:36:26 2016 No.8617500 File: 188 KB, 603x452, fry.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8617489

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:45:57 2016 No.8617523 >>8617511 Not biting.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Thu Oct 13 22:51:13 2016 No.8617543
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>>8617176

I read the two posts. Thank you.

>>8617281

>I feel that Tolkien is standing head and shoulders above a sea of imitators

I first read Tolkien at 8 or 9 years of age as my first encounter with the fantasy genre. I reread his work many times until I was perhaps 18. I even have a rare book somewhere that discusses the work that I bought way back when just because it was about Tolkien.

In a sense, I think Tolkien was the worst thing to happen to fantasy fiction. I read many different writers in the genre until I was in my mid-20s before I gave up. I had come to the conclusion that everyone was trying to be Tolkien but none of them could do it. I realized that I wouldn't be happy with fantasy until that happened.

There were good attempts, like Wheel of Time's and Game of Throne's early books. The attempts seemed to fixate on one aspect of the genre Tolkien appropriated: this writer liked magic, this writer liked elves, this writer liked medieval violence. However none of them could blend all of the various elements together and imbue them with grandeur in a world that you genuinely cared about.

Back then, I used to think that it would be nice if Heaven was a place where you could choose what world to live in. I would fantasize that I could live in Middle-earth and fight against orcs and evil. As a middle-aged man, that dream sounds silly but because young me dreamed it, I cannot stop comparing later works to that world.

Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:53:13 2016 No.8617548
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>>8611475
>Justin Cord could almost forget that there was a ceiling "behind" him holding in the massive body of water and that the power of centrifugal force ensured that it stayed that way.
>the power of centrifugal force ensured
>centrifugal force
>centrifugal
Why the fuck is this allowed?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 22:57:12 2016 No.8617560 >>8617548 Nerds sperging about semantics? Hiro's blessing, I guess. >>8617543 >not reading pre-Tolkien fantasy You have only yourself to blame.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 23:10:00 2016 No.8617599 >>8617543 np, he's also a based furry webcomic artist :3

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 23:20:26 2016 No.8617628 >>8617543 Why did you post this? What is the central thesis of your post? Also if you think Tolkien likes magic I think you read it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 13 23:38:54 2016 No.8617678 >>8616397 Thank you

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Fri Oct 14 00:36:21 2016 No.8617813

>>8617560

>not reading pre-Tolkien fantasy

/sffg/ has influenced me into thinking I'll try some Conan. I'm chugging through some Mishima and a non-fiction first though.

>>8617628

I was puzzled by the tone of your post for a bit but I think I've got it licked: my repeated use of "this writer" was referring not to Tolkien but to others who had made attempts. See if that doesn't clarify it for you. The short answer is that I was echoing the anon's linked comment about Tolkien being head and shoulders above the field.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 00:51:27 2016 No.8617857
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>>8611475
The fag in the previous thread wanted books released in the past five years... well enjoy pic related.

It's wll the books that I read that was published in the last half decade, mileage may vary(some are some hot messes).

Had to cut it into pieces 4chins said resolution too large (485x20617)

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:23:11 2016 No.8617962

I've been hungry for some sci-fi. I haven't read anything on the genre but a few books.

I recently listened to Rainbow's end and Neuromancer, and I thought they were just okay. From what I can tell Neuromancer blew minds in its time but it didn't seem all that special to me. I liked both books in a way but it didn't feel like I was reading anything new.

Do you guys have any recommendations? I feel like if I read old sci-fi I'll keep being disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:38:27 2016 No.8618000 does anybody have any stories about after the heat death of earth?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:48:09 2016 No.8618021 >>8618000 You mean the Universe? I think Asimov wrote a short story. But it wasn't anything you probably haven't thought of already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 01:48:53 2016 No.8618022 >>8618000 You mean the universe? There wouldn't be anything left after that so I don't know

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:52:09 2016 No.8618133 What Gene Wolfe should I order if I'm new to his work? BOTNS, Later series or Wizard Knight?

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:52:18 2016 No.8618134

I'm looking for sci-fi books that feature military cyborgs raping humans as part of a psychological warfare campaign. The women would be impregnated with a weaponized embryo that would disable or kill them, or cripple them with pregnancy to a sabotaged fetus

I can't find anything via googling -, has anyone heard about something like this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:55:11 2016 No.8618142 Try the Fifth Head of Cerberus, it's a standalone book so if you don't like his style at least you haven't wasted your money.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 02:56:13 2016 No.8618144 >>8618142 for >>8618133

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:17:04 2016 No.8618196

>>8617437
If you want to be pseud you're better off reading literary fiction rather than sci-fi and fantasy, nobody will respect you for it. Other pseuds and snobs will look down on you for reading genre trash and the hardcore nerds who read this stuff will just nitpick your taste. And since you have no actual interest in the genre you can't even hunker down for discussion with other people who liked the same books you did.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:18:17 2016 No.8618201 >>8617962 >Neuromancer The power of this work is in its prose. By listening to it rather than reading it, you've missed out on ~80% of its worth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:19:45 2016 No.8618205 >>8618201 Oh... that sucks... I was worried about that.. can you recommend something I could listen to? I deliver papers for 3 hours a day so I need something to listen to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:22:38 2016 No.8618213 >>8618133 Wizard Knight is his best tbqh

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:27:10 2016 No.8618225 >>8618205 Fair enough. The Expanse series (starting with Leviathan Wakes) have decent audiobooks and you really don't gain anything by reading them that you don't get listening to them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:28:43 2016 No.8618227 >>8613000 >every truth shines a light... fucking christ thats some cringeworthy shit. also >brent weeks off yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:30:27 2016 No.8618235 11 days

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:56:21 2016 No.8618285 >>8618225 Thanks man I'll check it out!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 03:59:46 2016 No.8618289 >>8617478 Already read it, Nix is a better writer than Sanderson will ever be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 04:29:21 2016 No.8618330 >>8618289 And Brent Weeks is better than both of them

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 05:00:29 2016 No.8618363 >>8617478 WEW I didn't realise this was released. Anyway, Nix > Weeks > Sanderson for me. I was so sad when Monday died.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 05:52:25 2016 No.8618423 >>8618330 Can't agree with that. I do prefer Weeks to Sanderson though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 07:16:50 2016 No.8618569 >“Thank you,” said Lirael. “I am glad you didn’t leave us out in the cold, despite rule thirty-four.” AYYYYYYY

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 07:19:53 2016 No.8618575 >>8618569 Huh?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 07:20:52 2016 No.8618576 >>8618575 Don't trouble your pure mind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 07:22:14 2016 No.8618578 >>8618576 Is there so much rule34 of Lirael that the author actually wrote about it in a book?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 07:22:47 2016 No.8618582 >>8618578 It's not Lirael that's naked but Nick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 08:15:21 2016 No.8618691 >>8618201 You don't miss out on prose by listening to it

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 08:20:12 2016 No.8618700

>>8618691
I disagree. Reading a phrase has a different impact on you than hearing a phrase, and things like the tone of voice of the audiobook reader changes the way writing is interpreted. In Neuromancer I believe these factors disadvantage the reader.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 08:52:39 2016 No.8618768 >>8617349 Already written, can't remember the name of the book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:00:08 2016 No.8618781 >>8618227 >off yourself I would but my libido is low at, doujins aren't even getting a rise out of me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:03:40 2016 No.8618785 >>8618768 I believe it's called 'Ben 10'

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:04:05 2016 No.8618787 >>8617857 Wtf.... can someone... what? Why would you read such ya trash? and women authors too....

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:05:24 2016 No.8618791 File: 49 KB, 640x481, This is very good.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8618785

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:09:07 2016 No.8618798
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Question for /lit/:

I'm writing a novel that takes place on a planet that is not Earth, and has its own geography, history and culture.

Yet there are no fantasy or magical elements. The fiction is supposed to be realistic, rational, etc. What genre would this be?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:09:26 2016 No.8618799 >>8618787 >Wtf >... >le women authors meme Newshit, kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:09:51 2016 No.8618801 >>8616189 You want to read Nix's series Keys to the Kingdom.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:21:35 2016 No.8618825 >>8618801 I would recommend almost anything else Nix has written over that series. Shade's Children, Seventh Tower, A Confusion of Princes, Sir Hereward short stories, even Newt's Emerald -- all IMO better than Keys to the Kingdom.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:24:10 2016 No.8618832
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>>8618801
>the first book was published 13 years ago
>Still mad about Dame Primus killing Monday.
The Trustees did nothing wrong and the Will was a fucking assassinating piece of shit. Completely wrecked the good ending of Mister Monday. Made child me cry. I can't believe that piece of shit genocided everything because it was feeling suicidal and essentially got away scott free.

That series was still my favourite Nix series though, because it was terribly fun and adventurous, if not filled with murder. I feel as if Fforde's Shades of Grey and Lightbringer to an extent handled colour better than Seventh Tower.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:31:43 2016 No.8618847

>>8618832
>I feel as if Fforde's Shades of Grey and Lightbringer to an extent handled colour better than Seventh Tower.
Probably right. But because it was written first and I read it well before those others there's a little irrational piece of me that feels they're derivative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:40:32 2016 No.8618858 >>8618798 Probably allegory.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 09:54:13 2016 No.8618891

>>8618847
I read Keys first, then Seventh, then Fforde a few years later and finally Lightbringer years later.

So I felt like Keys was the original/better version and Seventh was derivative so I guess whichever one you read first influenced your perceptions of all his other works.

With Lightbringer I was absolutely certain that Weeks trying to simultaneously steal as many ideas off Fforde as possible (I know that the Munsell test amongst others actually exists but I thought that the Colorman was a superior villain compared to Andross and the Color Prince) and trying to include as many plot twists as Sanderson does. Although, the Mildew, Lincoln, Night Train and the man eating road in Shades of Grey gave me the chills) in a way that no other book has ever elicited. Except perhaps the cruciforms in Hyperion. Nevertheless, Weeks has at least partially satiated the 6+ year wait for another book from Fforde. I tried my utmost to enjoy Thursday Next but I felt it was abysmal: whimsical, plotless and directionless.

I read The Old Kingdom too, but I didn't empathise well with the protagonists who I always felt were quite overpowered. Maybe child me simply loved the biblical undertones in Keys. Abhorsen was the best book out of the five books, in my opinion: the most gripping in the terms of danger and the best plot but I have not particularly enjoyed Clariel and Goldenhand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:01:37 2016 No.8618909 File: 1.38 MB, 579x807, Dayside Taldain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8618832 >your face when the Kingdom was a megastructure >>8618891 >your face when Seventh Tower was post-apoc

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:07:10 2016 No.8618920
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/Lit/, what did I miss here? Is the simple message really only don't let history repeat itself? It seems a bit underwhelming. It felt a little boring and unimpressive overall, and I don't speak fucking latin and there's so much latin in it. Goddamnit. I wanted to like it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:08:16 2016 No.8618922 >>8618909 >your face when the Kingdom was a megastructure >your face when Seventh Tower was post-apoc It was great.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:09:20 2016 No.8618925 >>8618201 Maybe that explains it for me too. I got halfway through Neuromancer on audio before giving up. I thought it was garbage, but I was aware the narrator's voice was part of the problem.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 10:55:00 2016 No.8619033
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Anything that has a galactic British space empire or some shit? Just finished Hornblower, national pride is pumping.

Bonus points if they rek the French and Spanish Galactic empires at some point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:03:18 2016 No.8619059 >>8618858 >Genre >Allegory Are you an idiot?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:04:24 2016 No.8619064 >>8618891 What about warbreaker? I read that first and thought weeks was copying Sanderson. For me the reading order was Warbreaker → Lightbringer → Shades of Grey

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:06:08 2016 No.8619070 File: 703 KB, 2437x1047, Dinosaurs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8618920 >he didn't listen and actually read it

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:13:16 2016 No.8619080

>>8619059
Allegorical fiction is a genre of fiction which is designed to be read solely as an allegory. An example of this is 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell.

I know most /lit/ users are NEET but surely they covered such basics in your senior year of high school?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:14:14 2016 No.8619082 >>8619080 Everything can be an allegory if you will it to be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:17:02 2016 No.8619085 >>8619082 Aye, but certain books are written with the express purpose of being read as allegory. Again, see Animal Farm.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:17:58 2016 No.8619087 >>8619085 I accept your argument. You have made a good point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:19:04 2016 No.8619089 >>8619087 Then we shall part as friends.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:45:42 2016 No.8619152 >>8616129 Fuck of and die you donkey fucker. Fucking furry scum. Go share your shit taste with Reddit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:53:18 2016 No.8619175 >it's a "bestiality lover takes attention away from discussing books" thread Fucking tripfags i swear

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 11:59:13 2016 No.8619190 File: 85 KB, 368x600, Tower_at_the_Edge_of_Time.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wonder how much it cost tobacco companies to put glossy, full-page ads in old sff paperbacks. They're kinda weird.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 12:08:46 2016 No.8619214

>>8619064
I read Warbreaker too.

Both Shades and Lightbringer have a genetic component to colour inheritance and structure their dystopias around it.

Warbreaker is more of an either or - you can either see or can't. There's nothing intrinsic about it. Awakening is also mostly independent of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 12:08:51 2016 No.8619216 File: 2.99 MB, 400x400, 1472322697650.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8619089 >>8619087

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 12:41:54 2016 No.8619311
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>>8619190

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/books/review/Collins-t.html?_r=0

Apparently $6,500-$7,000 per page.

Ads from Dickens' "David Copperfield":

>Freeman’s Spermazine Wax Lights
>Dr. Lucock’s Pulmonic Wafers
>Arrowsmith’s Pianoforte and Toilet Covers

Finally, a company that makes a lace doily for my toilet and my piano.

I have never come across one of these advertisements, oddly.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 13:09:47 2016 No.8619399

>>8619311
Ah interesting. I think I understand what was going on now.
>The bulk of paperback advertising came from tobacco companies, which were looking for new places to push their products after a federal ban on cigarette advertising on television and radio passed in 1969.

>I have never come across one of these advertisements, oddly.
I must have a lot of pulp from the right time period.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:03:34 2016 No.8619552 File: 112 KB, 811x592, rothfuss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ever so slightly

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Fri Oct 14 14:19:28 2016 No.8619579

>>8619399

>By 1975, [Lorillard Tobacco Company] had spent $3 million for advertisements in a staggering 540 million paperbacks.

1.8 books per cent spent. That sounds like a deal compared to 10-30 cents per ad on YT (according to an answer on Quora).

>An internal 1983 study for a “Salem Spirit” cigarette campaign found that “most had no compunction admitting they read very little.”
>The little that male Salem smokers in 1983 did read, the researchers noted dryly, included “sports news, the want ads” and “manuals on pot growing.”

If I understand this correctly, these ads didn't results in new smokers among genre trash readers. Looks like outer /lit/ owes us an apology.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:22:19 2016 No.8619587 >>8619579 Who's "us," tripfag?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:31:07 2016 No.8619608 >>8619579 why are you using a tripcode?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:36:41 2016 No.8619616 >>8618000 House on the Borderland, W H Hodgson

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:38:32 2016 No.8619619 >>8618000 The last Question by Asimov

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:40:14 2016 No.8619626 >>8619616 >the pig man is eating me! eating me! even as I finish this last entry in my diaryaaaughhhh No but seriously the dream sequence where he finds the Central Sun was amazing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:56:30 2016 No.8619665 >>8611475 is a song of ice and fire worth reading if i thought the show was crap and unwatchable? also has anyone else read somewhither?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 14:57:04 2016 No.8619666 >>8619665 Not really. I think the show is better honestly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:01:42 2016 No.8619668 >>8619579 >That sounds like a deal compared to Inflation adjusted to 1975 dollars that's ~0.56 cents per book ad and 2-7 cents per youtube ad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:05:52 2016 No.8619674 >>8619665 The first book is alright, after that it loses itself in endless sub-plots and machinations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:28:13 2016 No.8619741 File: 59 KB, 802x542, 1468419923880.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw I kinda enjoyed all the pages of fish descriptions in Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:40:38 2016 No.8619786 File: 454 KB, 2000x2000, 10762697._SS2000_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sup my homies. Those who have read the Farseer trilogy, would you recommend them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:41:37 2016 No.8619791 >>8619786 I would not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:42:16 2016 No.8619796 >>8619786 Yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 15:59:23 2016 No.8619845 >>8619786 How much do you enjoy MC suffering?. That is exactly how much you'll like that trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 17:42:02 2016 No.8620151 >>8616844 are any of these even good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 17:54:12 2016 No.8620188 >>8620151 Cabal is decent, don't know about the others.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 17:59:24 2016 No.8620196

That feel when I finally have a cohesive framework for an idea for a novel but I'd have to be a historian of colonial era America and Britain to make it believable. I just don't have the knowledgebase. I want to rewrite history, but it's literally impossible. My imagination is outstanding but my vision is too grand for reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:02:14 2016 No.8620202 >>8620196 Just read a couple history books, no one will know the difference.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:02:15 2016 No.8620203 >>8619033 Honorverse is basically that, just replace the names of those empires/republics with the ones you like. Or better don't read it, because it's trash.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:04:56 2016 No.8620213 >>8619311 They had Maggi Instant-Soup ads in some of the older German Battletech books

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:12:09 2016 No.8620234 >>8620202 Are you implying that nobody will read my book or that the level of writing I'm capable of is equal to a shitty fan fiction writer who's work goes unnoticed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:13:36 2016 No.8620236 >>8620234 yes

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:27:43 2016 No.8620267

>>8620234
I mean that even historians argue with each other. Wiki warriors will criticize attested fact as conspiracy theory. You'll never please everyone. History is not a science.

>mfw trying to convincingly set a novel in Heian Japan but English sources are so scarce I just set it an an alternate universe for plausible deniability

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:32:19 2016 No.8620284 Anyone here read Senlin Ascends? It's a somewhat newish book which seems to be getting pretty good reviews and has an interesting, unique sounding description http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17554595-senlin-ascends

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:35:22 2016 No.8620297
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>mfw I'm going to get an adderall prescription soon
>mfw I'll finally be able to sit down and actually concentrate on the books I read

Should I try to read Wolfe to celebrate?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:38:04 2016 No.8620304 >>8620297 No, first you should drink a Monster energy drink.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 18:51:32 2016 No.8620343 >>8618000 The Last Question The Night Land The House on the Borderland The Last of All Suns The Dying Earth, kinda Xeelee Sequence, especially Ring but start with Vacuum Diagrams.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:00:29 2016 No.8620367 File: 8 KB, 197x255, boney.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone know when Vox Day's next book is? He said September.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:08:14 2016 No.8620378 >>8620151 I like the early Dresdens a lot. I don't think the quality of the later ones goes down but the series does change focus. Most paranormal noir is popcorn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:14:02 2016 No.8620383 >>8620378 >Most paranormal noir is popcorn. that's generous

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:30:03 2016 No.8620409 File: 66 KB, 750x500, mb02_symbols-webres.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8620297 You mean you're going to try to read but it'll be twenty entirely separate subjects at one time, until you build tolerance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:49:33 2016 No.8620444 Guys what are some good space travel and space exploration books? I wanna something like Star Trek. Or even better I wanna some hard sci fi on the comfiness and horrors of long space journeys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 19:50:17 2016 No.8620445 >>8620444 Redshirts and Aurora

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 20:09:32 2016 No.8620489 >>8620444 The Haunted Stars. It's a bit dated by now though and definitely not hard sci fi, but a quick read.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:23:39 2016 No.8620628 >>8619033 Rule 49: If you can't find that you have to write it

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:28:59 2016 No.8620641 >>8620628 well it isn't exactly porn

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:29:35 2016 No.8620646 >>8620628 This is why fanfiction and fanart exists.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:38:53 2016 No.8620671

>>8619033
Read Patrick O'Brian for more high seas adventure and Boney cucking.

Audiobook by Patrick Tull is an amazing performance.

Power through the first two, being generous with your judgments. Everything comes together in book three and then it's varying degrees of magic for the next fifteen books or so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:40:46 2016 No.8620674 >>8619786 It's good, but be warned: it has literally, LITERALLY nothing to do with assassinations. At all. I think at one point he reluctantly kills some sort of zombie thing, but that's it. Nice read overall though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:49:51 2016 No.8620688 >>8620674 yeah I always assumed they must have been named by the editor/publisher in a weird effort to have a broader appeal does them a disservice really

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:55:42 2016 No.8620700 I am going to write such a good story you wouldn't believe it. 200 000, 500 000 copies sold, easy. Very very easy, because I know people. And I have a good story, good stories actually.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 21:58:42 2016 No.8620705 >>8620700 D-Donald?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:01:57 2016 No.8620712 >>8620700 focus on the campaign m8

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:16:26 2016 No.8620739

>>8620705
>>8620712
I gotta tell you folks, I have the one big chunk of an idea here, about to make it into something, it's really big, I promise you, otherwise I wouldn't bring it up. And I want your opinion on it, does this sound fair? Here we go.

There's this one guy, he goes to a store, just a regular day let's say in Bronx or Manhattan or Rhode Island, doesn't matter. He goes to the store and there's this guy looking at him intensely, he's about six foot seven, it's no joke, it's not a joke, even for me that's pretty big and I'm a tough guy. He comes to that guy and says "I have an offer that I think you might like" and the little guy is like well okay what do I have to lose, right? He was in a hurry, he had to buy things for his wife, but okay, he says, I have a minute for this guy, fine. He looks at the guy and only then realizes this guy is a huge one, if we get into a fight or something happens, I gotta bail, I can't take this guy out. And the guy's name was Pedro. Okay, Pedro, a Mexican. He was a big nasty Mexican. He says "my offer is this: I take your wallet, I take your stuff, I take your car and your documents. And you don't call the cops." Does this sound fair to you, I don't think so. I don't think so. The little guy is scared, about to piss his pants, this illegal Mexican threatens him, it's a terrible situation. His wife is waiting for him at home, kids are hungry, he only went to the store and this happened. And then you have other people watching it and nobody says anything, they're scared. They watch this thing going on and don't dare to say anything, pretty terrible picture. A real mess, so the guy needs to give him documents to this - Mexican. Pedro is his name. He gives him documents, wallet and the car keys and that's it. Nothing you can do about it. But as this event transpires, a police vehicle approaches the scene. It's a big vehicle, looks like cops, but you're wrong if you think the cops would solve this, no no, these are the special forces organized to hunt and deport such people. So the guy says "boy am I not the luckiest person in the world!" and these cops come in and the guy is already on his knees, it's over, the little guy thinks. I can go back home to my wife and kids, he thinks. A good man, let me tell you, a hard working man. But since Hillary Clinton won, the cops don't care, you know. They think it's not moral or good enough to bust the guy, so they let him go. Just like that, they let him go. It's done, nobody you can call. The guy comes out and rapes this girl outside. Nobody says anything, nobody sees anything. Terrible, terrible stuff. Just one of many things that are about to happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:20:46 2016 No.8620748 >>8620739 Now you've pushed too far and spoiled the original. It's just in the blood for /sff/ .

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:26:18 2016 No.8620758 >>8620748 Because you'd be in jail

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:21:16 2016 No.8620972 >>8618144 thanks for the clarification. For a second there I thought you were talking about >>8618134

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:41:52 2016 No.8621004 >>75327532 Which one of you was this

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:45:11 2016 No.8621008 >>8620444 For space exploration, I recommend Rendesvouz with Rama, for a star trek feel, Ringworld, for long space journeys... I got nothing. You find something interesting please come back and share, I would like to know too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 01:22:28 2016 No.8621045 >>8620297 Nigga that shit is meth. Don't do it. You'll gain tolerance to it within 6 months and regret it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 01:41:21 2016 No.8621094 10 days

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 02:44:53 2016 No.8621196 >>8621094 what comes out in 10 days?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 03:29:03 2016 No.8621267 >>8621196 B L A C K L A C K

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 03:34:16 2016 No.8621276 NEW THREAD >>8621274 >>8621274 >>8621274

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 05:03:49 2016 No.8621420 https://www.goodreads.com/series/189931-remembrance-of-earth-s-past

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 13:15:11 2016 No.8622303 >>8620671 As someone that loved tge first two books and is about to start the third, what makes the rest of tge series better? I very much enjoyed Master & Commander and Post Captain

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