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What's your favorite part of the Bible, /lit/? For me, it's the opening of the gospel of John. The whole "light shining in the darkness" thing makes me tear up because it describes a lot of my life feeling like a darkness where's there's just a tiny light that never goes out.

>> No.8590596

my diary desu

>> No.8590606

>>8590592
Same. My favorite part of any artistic work to be completely honest.

>> No.8590633

Book of Job is the only patrician answer

>> No.8590683

>>8590592
I love reading from Isiah 50, or so, all the way through the end of the book.

>>8590633
For a long time, Job was my favorite book. Now I'm uncertain - still love it though.

Also love:

Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Songs
Revelation
Isiah
Colossians
The Gospels
...and all of it, lol.

>> No.8591502

ecclesiastes is my favorite. it hits heavy from start to finish.

>> No.8591660

>>8590592
i love the parts about the history of the israelites desu

i'm not ready for the theology of job yet but i can read about power struggles any day

>> No.8591754
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8591754

The New Testament. Specifically pic related version.

>> No.8591823

To not meme, I do like the thematic repetitions and shit.

I'm still early into the thing, but I'd say: Jacob and his family is super fucking weird. Like, they're whole fucking deal is built on deception: Jacob tricking Esau out of his inheritance; Jacob re-tricking Esau and Isaac into an even better inheritance; Jacob then getting tricked into marrying both Rachel and Leah; Jacob getting tricked by his kids about Joseph dying.

>> No.8591875

>>8590592
The book of John is one of my favorites too
Its definitely the gospel that expounds the most about what one must do to be saved

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 5: 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

>> No.8592044

>>8591502
Ecclesiastes is always my go to

>> No.8592123

>>8591502
Ecclesiastes is an edgy memelord realizing he will die

>> No.8592125

comfy thread, this might be the most Christian board I've encountered, unless you count /pol/.....................

>> No.8592130

>>8591875
Thats because it was written 90 years after Jesus died by a heavily biased schizophrenic. After reading a bit of literary criticism you see what a whacko he was and how amazing Mark is.

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>>8592125
/pol/ doesnt act very Christian, and thats what actually counts. Muh traditionalism is irrelevant if you dont live by its tenets.

>> No.8592147

>>8592123
>Ecclesiastes
>Edgy
Ecclesiastes is a letter written by King Solomon to his countless sons (he had 1,000 wives) on how not to be a piece of shit because he knew he couldn't be a father to that many sons and he wanted them all to be good men.
It's literally one of the most relevant books ever written.

>> No.8592253

>>8592135
Most of the alt-right ideology seems quite contrary to the gospel, desu. I've seen the mental somersault /pol/ does to justify unkindness and hostility to strangers in need, directly contradicting biblical commands to "welcome the foreigner, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt", and of course, everything Jesus ever said and did in regards to helping people, being a good Samaritan, giving your possessions to strangers in need, not making distinctions among ourselves, etc, etc, etc.

>> No.8592260

>>8592253
Much of the alt-right is outright hostile to religion, irreligious at most. That seems to be the main thing distinguishing it from the traditional right. In fact, I'm not sure the alt-right fancies tradition at large much at all, despite the weird infatuation with Evola.

>> No.8592294

>>8590592
i don't believe there are any christians on 4chan but that is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL passage.

>> No.8592299

>>8592125
You don't need to be christian to read the bible

>> No.8592309

1 Corinthians 13:12 is based.
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

>> No.8592313

>>8592125
There are a lot of Christian threads on pol but Chri. threads on lit are much better.

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>>8592294
Definitely not true brother.

>> No.8592321

>>8591823
Jacob's reconciliation with Esau is really, really poignant, though. And then how all through the judgeship and kingdoms they still kill Edomites but they don't, you know, REALLY kill Edomites.

My favorite part would probably be Jonah. I like the theory that Jonah and Job were originally written as plays, and Jonah makes such an excellent comedy, this bungling prophet that gets a more righteous people than he could ever hope from Israel and whines about it. Second to that would be Isaiah, that creeping doom of Sennacherib, and then maybe either Jeremiah's insane signs or Solomon's dedicatory prayer.

NT, Acts maybe? The literary quality of the original wasn't as good as OT imo, and there was only so much the King James Crew could do.

>> No.8592325

>>8592253
>we gonna send a million Muslims to your country and they're gonna live on welfare and take vacations to Iraq but if you don't want them in your town you're making Jesus cry
Jesus would be absolutely fine with pressuring the Saudis to feed refugees instead. It is not meant to give the bread of the children of the kingdom to the dogs.

>> No.8592336

>>8592325
This has to be bait. Do you know how the rest of that passage goes?

>> No.8592351

>>8592336
Yeah, he helps her because she humbles up. It's not wrong to help refugees. It's very wrong to brain-drain already impoverished nations for more than it costs to resettle them nearby and then expose your people to unassimilated heathens. If we were converting these economic migrants to Christianity it would be another story.

>> No.8592355

>>8592351
You should have more faith in your religion. Who's to say they won't convert?

>> No.8592359

>>8592355
The Koran.

>> No.8592364

>>8592359
>>8592355
>>8592351
>>8592336
Look, could you take your /pol/ to /pol/? We were having a nice thread.

>> No.8592368

>>8592364
I want him to acknowledge that that Bible verse isn't saying what he thinks it says.

>> No.8592373

>>8592368
And is that going to happen in this thread's remaining 470 posts?

>> No.8592415

>>8590633
this or Ecclesiastes

>> No.8592417

>>8592135
What I like about the parable is the person he helps is from a hated ethnic group and this would have been known to it's audience. To capture something of its power if written today it could be about a jew helping a white supremacist.

>> No.8592419

>David realizing what he's done
>praying on his face all night for his first baby with Bathsheba
>it dies
>his kids kill each other
>he lives a long life watching it all fall apart
That was a neat story, especially with all the side characters having their own duels and assassinations and such, all of it tinged by David's guilt. All of the chaos they had a king to prevent in the first place, all because of him.

Then the little stories like Jehu's battlefield consecration, I love the two-chapter action-packed rise-and-fall shorts.

>> No.8592434

>>8592417
Not that good of a comparison, especially as it was completely socially and legally acceptable to hate Samaritans - they were heretics, thought to be polytheists. Not hating them was actually controversial.

Also - don't forget the symbolism of it. The man was heading down, to Jericho, a path of sin. The priest and Levite and Samaritan were also walking that path of sin, which can be viewed as mortal life. Jesus never tried to say the Samaritans or publicans or harlots were sinless, or that sin should be tolerated. Sin in his teaching is more of a medical issue than a legal one, an ailment we've all come down with and all need help in overcoming.

>> No.8592445

>>8592419
>God doesn't want to give Israel a king
>the Israelites whine and complain
>God finally gives them one
>every king of Israel/Judah is a fuckup in one way or another

>> No.8592463

>>8592445
>Saul starts out strong
>goes spear-crazy and consults witches
>David starts out really strong
>candid_bathing.webm
>Solomon builds a temple, doesn't kill people, actually expands Israel's trade relations
>literal infant sacrifice
What was Hezekiah's flaw? Seems like he was the least bad king. Josiah did all right for the time he had but a lot of the later prophets seem to be against his reforms.

>>8592253
I think Jesus would be pretty pissed about welcoming Sunnis while leaving Christians behind to be sex slaves to be honest. I mean, it's bad to ignore strangers and support your own, don't get me wrong, but it's also bad to support strangers and ignore your own.

>> No.8592757

>>8592434
Samaritans were basically Jews who rejected the second temple, the comparison is sound considering that Jews are now "Christians" (IE the majority faith) that have rejected the Messiah.

Also Jesus makes it pretty clear that we are all on the road to sin.

>> No.8592760

>>8592325
Jesus would wash their feet and give them his house and sleep out in the road

>> No.8592764

I like when the kids make fun of the bald guy and a bear eats them.

I also like in 2 Kings 23 or somewhere thereabouts when Josiah finds the old books of law deep in the treasure horde of the temple and is like "Oh shit! We ain't even Jews no more!" I don't know why, that shit just tickled my fancy hard.

>> No.8592777

James 2

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

>> No.8593065

Thinking anout reading the Bible for the first time. I'm not Christian but I'm interested in the Bible and I think its important to read it. Which version/edition should I get?

>> No.8593127

>>8592757
>>Also Jesus makes it pretty clear that we are all on the road to sin.
Yeah, that's my point. We are all Samaritans.

>> No.8593130

>>8592760
I think it would be more cat-o'-nine-tails-ish but to each their own.

>> No.8593214

>>8592760
>Priest and Levite see Good Samaritan helping the wounded man
>they run ahead to where he'll be walking, lie on the ground and fake cough
Jesus wasn't a fool.

>>8593065
KJV, especially if you can find a decent commentary. Not the best work as a translation but it was rendered by some of the very best wordsmiths English ever produced.

>> No.8593469

>>8590592
for me its the death of saul + Odes of Solomon

>> No.8593493

Jonah. John is horrible dualistic, exclusivist crap. Liking it is a sure sign of being a pleb.

>> No.8593511

>>8593493
>John is horrible dualistic, exclusivist crap
that's more a loss of translation between languages than anything. if you read the Gospels in plain English straight through them yeah, John even goes so far as to contradict Jesus, but in the linguistic and cultural context its less extreme than "join or burn"

>> No.8593636

>>8593511
How so?

>> No.8593654

Bible question: Do I need to read the Five Books of Moses before I read the Histories? Is it all one continuous story? I feel like an idiot asking this because Genesis does begin with the beginning of time and proceed chronologically, so the answer is yes, right?

>> No.8593735

Catholics - Triggered SJWs
Protestants - Creepy weirdos
Atheist - Fedora tippers

Pick your poison.

>> No.8593739

>>8593735
Orthodox it is then.

>> No.8593788

>>8592419
I'd love to make that into a novel.

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>>8590592
My favorite part is when they created that kickass animated movie

>> No.8593817

Song Of Songs is absolutely beautiful, i was in blissful state of awe as i was reading it for a first time

>> No.8593824

>>8593636
I wish I had that information on reserve so we could discuss it but I just don't. Its been years since I've touched the Bible. I've been meaning to pick up Lattimore's new testament and get back into it

>> No.8593825

>>8592130
30-70 actually.

>> No.8593895

>>8593735
You can be nonreligious without going full "HOW DARE YOU PUT UP A NATIVITY SCENE" autism.

>> No.8594517

I like every book equally and very much so. The bible is the most beautiful book ever written.

>> No.8594609

>>8593654
Genesis and Exodus are the only "required" reading for the historical books.

>> No.8594618 [DELETED] 

>>8590592
>What's your favorite part of the Bible, /lit
The toilet paper >:)

>> No.8594644

Genesis and the Book(s) of Samuel.
The Job poem.
Hebrews 13:2.
Proverbs 8:22-24.
Micah 6:8

>> No.8596390

>>8592417
Flip them around. It would be like a white supremacist helping a Jew.

Now you realize how controversial Jesus was. A stupid person would hear that parable and go, "Wait, so you're saying white supremacists are good?!"

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>>8593214

>get the version that you can't understand and is poorly translated, but sounds really cool

Or you could stick to ESV or NIV

>> No.8596419

>>8593065
The Bible has certainly had an... influence on... stuff, so yeah I would def recommend cracking it open, even if you don't believe every word. I'd give you a list of readings from weekly masses to start, but finding them is a pain in the ass.

>> No.8596431

>>8593817

I want to read Song of Songs with my girlfriend. Perfect description of what God intended Love to be. It's pretty adult though, so leave your snickering at the door.

>> No.8596462

The parallel between the opening of John and the opening of Genesis is great. Also the clear Trinitarian presentation of the Word that was with God and was God etc.
One of my favourites books is Romans, just because of the theology and apologetics of it. The criticism and condemnation of mankind contrasts beautifully with the solution of the atonement.
Genesis is obviously deserves a mention. I've read the creation of the universe in Genesis 1 and the creation of marriage in Genesis 2 many times. Adam's poem is really enjoyable. Not so much the language, but the actual content and theology of it.
"This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man."

>> No.8596499

Reading the early stages of the Bible right now. What's up with all the saying-your-wife-is-your-sister stuff? The writing really emphasises it, and I guess God's reasoning makes a bit of sense, but then that's undermined by people's reaction when they find out- pretty much 'dude wtf?', which is my reaction too. Is it trying to explain a wacky Israelite custom that nobody else understood?

>> No.8596505

>>8596402
>can't understand KJV
wut

>> No.8596596

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVB3DdRgqU

>> No.8597005

>>8592253
>>8592260
/pol/ is not one person. Most of /pol/ is atheist but a small percentage is Christian. Most of /pol/ absolutely hates and despises the alt-right.

t. /pol visitor. And no, I never force my opinions or political believes upon other people in other boards than /pol/.

>> No.8597115

John is an amazing book. Each of the gospels touch on a different aspect of Jesus that's always nice to read but the claim to divinity found within is the real kicker, like the time Jesus literally calls himself God to the pharisees by declaring the name that was specifically given to Moses by the Lord.

Exodus 3:14
>God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

John 8:56-59
>“‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’
>‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’
>‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’
>At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds”

>> No.8597406

>>8593739
>Orthodox

Probably the same as Protestants

>> No.8597416

>>8597005
>most of /pol/ is atheist

Half of /pol/, at most. There are almost daily threads about the importance of religion to society, and the importance of Christianity to Europe. There were also a bunch of straw polls taken that consistently showed atheism at around 30% of /pol/'s population.

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>>8597406
I don't know whether orthodox are creepy weirdos, but I'm quite certain that protestants are a distinct kind of creepy weirdos.

>> No.8597461

>>8596431
The fuck you talking about, what kind of snickering?? Its nit even about love - man is a God, womam is Israel, rapists are other "false" religions

>> No.8597648

>>8597453
Maybe orthodox are hipsters then lol

>> No.8597954

>>8593825
>he believes the apologists

lmao

>> No.8597980

>>8597416
It's no secret that the the other ~70% follow Esoteric Kekism.

>> No.8598028

>>8596499
Probably the same way people call strangers "brother". (although with a gene pool that small, I wouldn't be surprised if it was sometimes literal)

>> No.8599304

>>8590592
John 8:32
"then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free"

What's the truth, desu?

Not you truth, not my truth.

The Truth.

Men live their entire existence in ignorance, being mere pawns in game others play with their lives.

when you know the truth, you can make the most powerful thing a sentient being can ever do.

you can choose.

>> No.8599314

>>8596499
consider the fact that it was written about 3,000 years ago.
the cultural gap between us and them is immeasurable.

>> No.8599450

>>8597416
Keep in mind that 95% of Christians on /pol/ are purely nominal. They're smart enough to know that the European identity is Christian but are dumb enough to adopt the European identity without putting any thought into principles or consistency. Christianity to /pol/ is just another piece of its vain identity

>> No.8599474

>>8599450
That makes me wonder, what is the most devout board?

/lit/ has to be up there, right? Not only do we talk about Christianity a lot, but it seems like a decent number of people here actually have the faith.

>> No.8599505

>>8599474
I'd say /lit/ for sure. I'm a Christian and I used to go on /pol/ where any discussions immediately devolved into non-debates where the same superficial arguments were repeated on each side. Since I came to /lit/ a few days ago I've noticed how civilised the religious discussions are (and discussions in general). I'd attribute this to the fact that people here actually read stuff and therefore allow the Bible to direct the conversation rather than arbitrary cultural forces and muh heritage