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8568706 No.8568706 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw scientists are just starting to catch up to where philosophy was 2000 years ago

>> No.8568712

>>8568706
has he even ever published a single paper?

>> No.8568715

can we just illegalize science already

>> No.8568717

It's hilarious how all this "holographic universe" shit is just the Theory of the Forms, but nobody wants to admit it.

>> No.8568723

https://www.wired.com/2013/12/amplituhedron-jewel-quantum-physics/

There is no time or space

>> No.8568724

>>8568706

explain

>> No.8568725

"woah, we could be living in the matrix" is something John Green would think of as profound. It barely qualifies as a thought.

>> No.8568729

Plato was right all along.

>> No.8568737

>>8568717
i mean it's not like smokedegrasse tyson has ever seriously engaged with plato

>> No.8568744
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It's amazing how quickly atheists will dismiss certain theories in favor of others that make even more assumptions just because they don't like the obvious implications of the simplest theory.

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>>8568706
I still don't know what he does exactly. Is he just a reality star like Bill Nye?

>> No.8568750
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The holographic model allows us to conceptualize phenomena that have remained on the fringes of science -- synchronicities, psychic experiences, UFOs, poltergeists, spiritual experiences, states of higher consciousness. In part one of this two part program Michael Talbot discusses the holographic model of brain functioning and the "implicate order" model of quantum physics. He proposes that these two models combined explain many unsolved mysteries in both brain functioning (such as memory and vision) and quantum physics (such as the problem of hidden variables and quantum interconnectedness).

https://youtu.be/6rgYz_BU2Ew

>> No.8568773

ITT: Pseuds of a different kind.

>> No.8568782

>>8568706
All scientists need to be put to the wall

new dark ages when

>> No.8568814

Plato's forms are not virtual things beyond physical reality, they are just universals, principles of reality itself.

>> No.8568827

Lol Sam Hyde btfo Black Science Man during paradigm shift, we don't even need to look to actual philosophers for superlative examples

>> No.8568834

I crack the shits when the mainstream media, and it is usually them, tries to 'blow minds' with ancient philosophical theories but then attach a fucking pop culture scientist to it.
'[scientist] CLAIMS THERE ARE INFINITE UNIVERSES'
'NEW THEORY FROM [scientist] BRINGS FREE WILL INTO QUESTION'
'YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT [scientist] SAYS ABOUT MORALITY'

I get that all good philosophy has some scientific backing, but the fact that people call philosophers losers sitting in chairs thinking all day and then see this and say "hahaha wow mind = blown haha ill share on fb haha i fucking love science haha lol upvoted like a sir" makes me pink in the face.

sorry for just restating the op post i just needed to vent.

>> No.8568845

>>8568834
>I get that all good philosophy has some scientific backing
fuck off back to lebbit

>> No.8568869

>>8568834
Except that the scientists are the ones who write these articles, and they are not the target audience. These shitty clickbait articles are made by 20 something """journalists""" who are hired by popsci magazines to excrete empty articles based on gross overstating of people who are commenting on something entirely outside their field, tied up with a flashy title that usually is a direct misquote or oversimplification, for the """nerdy""" armchair scientists and soccer moms that want to appear smart in front of their friends to gobble up and masturbate to while sending it to all their friends.

>> No.8568887

>>8568729
Plato wasn't anything but the barren midwife that brought the truth to fruition in the wombs of our mindsoul

>> No.8568944

>>8568712
wouldnt he have to to have a PhD?

>> No.8568946

>>8568712
Extensively. He has a PhD. Learn how shit works, numbnuts.

>> No.8568952

>>8568887
baka. what a lazy hack.

>> No.8568955

It's not like philosophy got anywhere since then.

>> No.8568956

>>8568955
Nowhere to go?

>> No.8568960

>>8568845
Worded that wrong. Good philosophy shouldn't contradict what science tells us.

>> No.8568973

>>8568960
what if its bad science but nobody realizes it yet?

>> No.8569005

>>8568834
Science is the ultimate appeal to authority, you attach anything to it and people will swallow.

>> No.8569006

>>8568973
Well one would hope that the scientific method would find the faults. There could be valid contradictions though don't get me wrong, big sweeping statements don't often work, only a Sith deals in absolutes

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>> No.8569015

Humanities are superior

Gas the scientists

College degree war now

>> No.8569055

>>8569006
>Well one would hope that the scientific method would find the faults.

Eventually, yeah.

>> No.8569087

>>8568782
>new dark ages when

We are living through them.

The future will prove me right, one day an archaeologist will dig up this post and think "oh wow this guy really had it figured out"

>> No.8569304

>>8568747
Yes
>semi-pro boxer
>retires
>grows trendy mustache
>suddenly a master expert astrophysicist
>anti-theist Dawkins fanatics swarm to him instantly to fulfill their desire of being told they're right

He's a bigger meme than Nye, at least Nye had any science background (albeit basic middle school chemistry) before he became the spokesman for the ultra left "science is the only truth" crowd.

>> No.8569347

>>8569304
>ultra left

Not sure you know what that means, friendo.

Most communists insist New Atheists or anti-theists or whatever are Neo-Cons, since by and large they all use the premise that all religion is regressive and dangerous to justify imperialist wars abroad.

Terry Eagleton famously only refers to them collectively as Ditchens, lol.

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>>8569015
"Humanities" is simply a trash-can created by the techno-burgeoise-Geist where anything that isn't castrated autism (i.e. isn't legimitized under the rigurous parameters of science and therefore completely secure to its establishment) and is remotely intellectual is put; the "Humanities" are the Lacanian Real of the modern age, that which it cannot finish symbolizing, which evermore attempts to reduce it: so you have literature intellectuals talking about theory, analysis, hypotheses in an absurd attempt to legitimize their field--absurd because they are applying a techne for a physical/actual object to try to understand a fictional/conventional object.

And really, isn't the name "humanities" kind of suspicious? After all, we're all human, right? Then why are the humanities the less "important" side of academia? What does it tell you that the majority opinion of the brainy caste is that we are mostly irrelevant and should prostrate before giant balls of gas? Doesn't it remind you of something else? Some years back HP Lovecraft had a spike in popularity, and now this board likes discussing his relative, Nick Land: weird how the Lovecraftian simply puts a name and a divine status to the antipathy the universe has for us, huh?

Because honestly, as much as modernity has tried to cast out the span of time between the deaths of the big bird's right and left heads as its antithesis, as much as the common vernaculars were (and are) supposed to be oppressed, as much as the Church can't help but try to make Jesus child-friendly (the double pun is unintended), one can't help but spitfire Latinates and Graecisms instinctively when attempting to gain any kind of respect (yes, that's a Latinate too), like we're somehow still trying to mimick D-giver himself.

I mean dude, this shit is dowright Pynchonian. I've even lost my point. I feel diseased, the spooks pour through me so that Foucauld would be envious. Thank head this is all in my God.

Ain't goin to no war doe.

>> No.8569477

Im not a huge science fan either but you guys are way overly hostile. philosophers do the same thing

the key word is "could" anyway

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>>8569471
Oh, one last thing. You can make this things go away simply by sharing information, by disseminating knowledge that is yours in earnest and good will, not as a way to create a dogma or a group, but because you actually like those ideas. This does not of necessity mean to make it for free, yet the gain needn't be numbered papers. That's my position. That's what's happening. Because this thing is all about who knows what and who gets to know why. It's nothing physical. You could put all the Ivy League in your harddrive, and those you couldn't you could have only some clicks away.

Things don't repeat: they just like showing up as comedy before they go solemn.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-jKmcNr_8&ab_channel=JurijFedorov

This video is a gold mine for autism. A slippery mobius strip of scientism.

1. Dawkins asks what consciousness is with the most self-satisfied tone
2. The crowd claps as if that's the first time the question has ever been asked
3. That useless pile of shit Lawrence Krauss tacks on an "I agree" the second applause starts
4. NDT tries to play the cool reddit scientist card and calls Dawkins Richie
5. NDT is obviously out of his wheelhouse as he tries to say anything about the limits of human knowledge while surrounded by people that actually believe they can become robots and that it will be good
6. Bill Nye makes fun of NDT for doing precisely this, calling him a stoner and thereby also playing a cool reddit scientist card even as he tears down the beginning of this conference's only interesting conversation

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8570266

Good to see the fedora clergy is catching up at long last

>> No.8570274

>>8570266
Everyone in that picture probably got a reasonable amount of pussy but it would have been awful and awkward every time and never even close to as satisfying as idiot sex is.

>> No.8570325

>>8568715
This. If we didn't know that there was advancement available, at a terrible cost mind you, we would be able to turn the things that truly make us happy.
we could be living in a utopia

>> No.8570335

>be me, research and analysis at private pharmaceutical lab
>age 30, and my net assets already amount to 7 figures
Philosophy students and lefties btfo. Should have studied something useful in college, kids.

>> No.8570367

>>8570325
>at a terrible cost mind you
elaborate

>> No.8570378

>>8570367
Heretical thought leading all mankind into eternal damnation

>> No.8570382

>>8570325
>we could be living in a utopia
>could be

But I do live in a utopia. You don't?

>> No.8570385

>>8568782
It will come once they realize the grave mistake they made in killing God.

>> No.8570386

>Philosopher: DUDE WHAT IF HUMANS COULD FLY THAT'D BE DANK LMAO

>Scientist: After years of labourous study, experimenting, and research, I invented a plane. Here's a detailed thesis that future generations can use to improve upon my finding.

>Philosopher: HAHAH SEE HOW USEFUL PHILOSOPHY IS! I DESERVE ALL CREDIT

Philosophy in a nutshell

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>>8570386

>> No.8570389

>>8570386
dufe do you EVEN REALIZE just HOW HARD i lole'd 2 this itt

>> No.8570390

>"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
> - the narrator

>> No.8570429

>>8570266
I see why someone would make this comparison, but how is Nobel prize some kind of "legitimizer"?

>> No.8570462

>>8569006
what if the base assumptions like "physics constants are always the same" or "reality can be described through mathematics" are false? Then we are fucked in a recursive loop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg8bEsG9D4A

>> No.8570476

>>8570382
>>8570325
We all live in utopia, some just don't realise it. By 'some' i mean \most'

>> No.8570494

>>8568712
yes, but he is just an average or even below average physicist
most academics laugh at him

>> No.8570496

>>8568723
Kant said it first.

>> No.8570498

>Philosophy: X is true
>Science: X is false
>years later
>Science: X is true!

>> No.8570499

>>8570476
find inner peace. but theres violence and pain and stupidity everywhere
OOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM
keep on telling yourself mate

>> No.8570509

>>8570429
I have a feeling that Nobel prizes for scientists are far less politicized and more rigorous than literature and peace prizes, and therefore do give the winner more legitimacy.

>> No.8570514

>>8570498
>Philosophy: X is true (meaningless assumption)
>Science: X is false (knowledge, verified with current technology)
>years later
>Science: X is true! (updated knowledge, verified with updated technology)

>> No.8570535

>>8570499
>but theres violence and pain and stupidity everywhere
so?

>> No.8570563

>>8570499
>>8570535
Gated communities seem both violence and stupidity free.

>> No.8570574

What's with all of the fedoras on /lit/ recently? What are you here for? The garbage fantasy book threads?

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>>8570574
You forgot to upload your reaction image. I'll let you save my pic related since you must be running low

>> No.8570600

>>8570256
Anyone else suspects those tools are getting paid by big corporations, as implementers of such and such social policy?

>> No.8570604

>>8570588

pathetic

im not even the same anon either

>> No.8570622

>>8570604
You could be a little more concise.

>> No.8570626

>>8568706
ITT

NEETS and luddites brag about how science is useless

ON THE INTERNET

kill yourself, you salty niggers

>> No.8570640

>>8570626
That's a straw man and a blatant misreading of the thread so you can feel superior about yourself.

>> No.8570650

>>8570640
>so you can feel superior about yourself.
Do we come to lit for literally anything else?

>> No.8570661

>>8570600
Lol. Fuck off to >>/pol/ with your conspiracy crap please.

>> No.8570682

>>8568814
the only guy who gets it, everybody else learned their philosophy from john green youtube videos

>> No.8570687

>>8570335
Have fun in your unsatisfying, intellectually-barren hellhole, career-cuck.

>> No.8570691

>>8570509
>more rigorous than literature and peace prizes
you forgot the economy nobel prize, it's shit tier useless, too

>> No.8570715

>>8570256
How did they get so many meme humans to congregate in one place?

>> No.8570721

>>8570687
Not him, but being unable to get employment does not make you intellectual, senpai.

I bet you read pirated ebooks because you can't afford to buy any

>> No.8570732

>>8570687
Keep in mind that most if not all the authors you probably read and idolise were employed in some form or the other. They were geniuses because they worked hard, not despite of it.

Enjoy your grifting

>> No.8570734

>>8570494
He's average. No one laughs at him...

>> No.8571052

>>8570498
>>8570514
>Philosophy: X is true (a priori)
>Science: X is false (posteriori)
>years later
>Science: X is true! (posteriori)

nothing wrong with this

>> No.8571065

>>8570514
>knowledge
epic meme

>> No.8571080

>>8568960
>Good philosophy shouldn't contradict what science tells us.
That's even worse.

Science tells nothing, it jerks off to its own axioms and is basically autistic.

It's all wrong and you yourself are a drone to it all.