/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.8542185]

What are some GOOD books involving a weak, cuck male protagonist? I need something different.

[Anonymous No.8542189]

>>8542185
ulysses

[Anonymous No.8542214]

Werther

[Anonymous No.8542222]

>>8542189
>Ulysses
>weak, cuck male protagonist
Did we read the same book?

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>>8542222
nice digits

[Anonymous No.8542253]

Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.8542341]

>>8542185
In a sort of way Raskolnikov from "Crime and Punishment" was a cuck

[Anonymous No.8542346]

>>8542185
The story of OP's life

[Anonymous No.8542349]

Herzog - Saul Bellow
Bonus points: your self insert is a jewish professor

[Anonymous No.8542352]

>>8542185
The Metamorphosis by Kafka if you haven't read it. It's an ode to the depressed, ugly, alienated beta male.

[Anonymous No.8542353]

>>8542341
I was about to say that.
Another suggestion: Saeterbakken's Don't Leave Me. I imagine the protagonist will hit very close to home for the /r9k/ shits you described.

[Anonymous No.8542425]

>>8542185
Christopher Tietjens was a literal cuck.

[Anonymous No.8542445]

>>8542185
Just go back to Pol, everyone there is a weak cuck male protagonist.

[Anonymous No.8542462]

Othello has a strong black bull as the protagonist

Maybe someone should rewrite it from the perspective of Desdemona's husband

[Anonymous No.8542522]

>>8542222
You apparently didnt

[Anonymous No.8542589]

>>8542222
checked, and Bloom got his wife tag-teamed by Blazes Boylan and Stephen Dedalus

[Anonymous No.8542590]

my diary, desu

[Anonymous No.8542903]

>>8542352
Gregor wasn't a beta male though?

[Anonymous No.8542910]

A book called 501(c)4 non-profit Nimble America. It's pretty notorious.

[Anonymous No.8543184]

>>8542185
Karl Ove Knausgård - My Struggle

[Anonymous No.8543188]

the once and future king. except he's a strong cuck

[Anonymous No.8543189]

>>8542253
This actually

[Anonymous No.8543444]

>>8542445
i'm not from pol i just want something different and most books i read seem to have pretty decent men, at least when it comes to relationships.

Tao Lin's Taipei is an example of a book with a cuck type guy but he's still in college so it's different.

[Anonymous No.8543456]

>>8542185
OP's Autobiography

/pol/- the Complete Guide to Being a Beta

[Anonymous No.8543501]

>>8542222
Did you read the ending?

[Anonymous No.8543563]

>>8543444
Well I'm sorry for being a cunt then. When I read a little of Wuthering heights, the main character felt like a huge effeminate pussy to me.

Steinbeck often includes weak characters in his books. Usually broken folks who snap under pressure

[Anonymous No.8544446]

>>8543184
Is this true?

[Anonymous No.8544487]

>>8542253
>"I judge books without reading them" the post.
Hitler was probably one of the greatest badasses ever.
If you actually read his book, you would know that, even though his destiny was painful and bitter, he was able to overcome his enemies and become a true übermersch.

[Anonymous No.8544594]

The Art of the Deal

[Anonymous No.8544622]

>>8542589
>tag-teamed by Blazes Boylan and Stephen Dedalus
I actually laughed out loud at this for a long while, Molly does not get "tag-teamed" by Blazes and Stephen, she gets bagged by Blazes and fantasizes about bending over in front of Stephen and seducing him, even if that happens it doesn't mean they're going to screw. Moreover, it's also a joking reference to Freud's Oedipus theory, since Molly is Penelope and Stephen is Telemachus.

lmao, really, thanks for the post +1 i'm still laughing

[Anonymous No.8544627]

>>8544622
I'm laughing more at the word "tag-teamed" to make it clear, kek. It's still obvious Bloom's getting kinda cucked by Stephen, but probably not more than Molly is by Bloom jacking off to (interestingly) a girl bending over in front of him --- actually an interesting parallel I never realized.

[Anonymous No.8545314]

>>8544594
(You)

[Anonymous No.8545361]

>>8542346
/thread

[Anonymous No.8545365]

>>8542185
Hamlet.

[Anonymous No.8545390]

>>8542185
White Nights is pretty much all you want.

[Anonymous No.8545405]

>>8542349
Was thinking of reading this. Worth it?

[Anonymous No.8545410]

>>8544594
Wowza

Not to degenerate this thread into /pol/posting but why do trumplets never respond to top banter like this? Whenever someone their own size fires banter that's better than common SJW word diarrhea they cower and slink away.

[Anonymous No.8545421]

>>8542185
any books about teen superheroes (I still can't believe they write books about comic book shit) most of them come from single mothers, few even have cheating gfs

[Anonymous No.8545427]

>>8544487
hitler was not a cuck but lets not kid ourselves. hitler had a too high opinion of himself and was a total hypocrite

[Anonymous No.8545442]

>>8542185
pic related is a top seller in south africa at the moment

[Anonymous No.8545465]

>>8545442
it funny how some people view whiteness. also is this an auto biography?

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>>8542189
Bloom is ultimately heroic, like Odysseus. The book ends with Molly saying yes yes yes, not to Boylan but to Bloom.

There is a reading of Sirens where it is proposed that the 'siren call' of Sirens is not Bronze and Gold, but Bloom's opportunity to stop and confront Blazes Boylan or at least follow him, confirm what he already knows, and catch Molly in the act. By resisting this temptation he prevents wracking his marriage, his station, his daughter's perception of her parents and any other number of things upon the rocks. He is choosing a broader, more perceptive action which confirms his masculine identity at a broader more perceptive level. Not that he isn't riddled with insecurity throughout the whole book about being a cuckold.

Anyway, it's not as if Bloom is not philandering as well. To paraphrase something I read elsewhere: his cuckold's horns have made him king of the forest; Pan free to wallow in Dionysian excess without guilt or remonstrance.

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>>8545365
He cucked himself by preoccupying himself with his dad's cucking and usurpation. Ophelia was raring to go but he was so mentally cucked he winds up cucking himself right out of her living vagina.

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>>8542185
The Great Gatsby

Gatsby literally gets cucked to death.

[Anonymous No.8545512]

I am fucking disgusted that no one posted Madame Bovary. Her husband was a fucking KEK

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ym dyrai pnsaie

[Anonymous No.8545561]

>>8545500
Gertrude and Claudius by Updike also holds the interpretation that Claudius was cucking the king.

[Anonymous No.8545598]

>>8544487
>pretend like you actually fought in the war even though you just delivered mail
>make your entire foreign policy based upon autistic ""racial"" ""science""
>lose like the idiot you are, and cause your entire country to get raped by the Allies
>kill yourself like the bitch you are, while destroying Germany eternally in the process

Hitler was the greatest cuck of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.8545605]

>>8545598
Heh, ever heard of the redpill?

I remember when I was your age, kid

[Anonymous No.8545688]

>>8545442
yikes

[Anonymous No.8545749]

>>8545598

Letter carriers don't win the Iron Cross. They also don't get wounded in action multiple times. I'm not a neo-Nazi by any stretch of the imagination but it's childish to make ad hominem attacks on his war record. Most of us would shit our pants if we had to go to the front.

[Anonymous No.8545774]

>>8545598
wait so hitler did not fight in the war? was that british guy also lying about having had him in sights?
>make your entire foreign policy based upon
nothing wrong with putting your country first. you just have to be an idiot to proclaim it to the whole world and be surprised that other countries don't support it
>kill yourself like the bitch you are
honestly the best option. no one wants to get knifed in the ass like gaddafi or otherwise be humiliated
>lose like the idiot you are, and cause your entire country to get raped by the Allies
marxists did that in ww. ww2 was more like a last ditch effort.

[Anonymous No.8545780]

>>8545749
>They also don't get wounded in action multiple times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Py5jAkbR5k

[Anonymous No.8545795]

>>8545598
russians won the war (against both germany and with their invasion of northern japan, prior to the unnecessary, economic powermove of US nuclear testing on civilian populations with hiroshima and nagasaki in the south)

us recognized this and promised reperations to the soviets, and never followed through because of our 4-year administrations, which allow us to lie to and exploit our allies systematically

[Anonymous No.8545856]

>>8545605

*tips trump cap*

[Anonymous No.8545866]

>>8544622
Are you German?

[Anonymous No.8546094]

>>8545795
[Spetsnaz intensifies]

[Anonymous No.8546343]

>>8545866
No, but my post is pretty Germanic there, so I could see how you think that. I come from Albania, an obscure little Balkan country, but was raised bilingually.

>>8545481
First, why the namefagging.

Second, this post strikes me as such pseudery. The ending of Ulysses is tragicomic, some critics have even interpreted it very pessimistically, we don't know what's going to happen to (financially and emotionally) poor Stephen, and Molly's still fucking Blazes, emotional impact of "yes I will Yes" aside. Actually having an affair with sex outside of marriage is a bit more serious than Bloom writing letters to women, looking at women and masturbating to one who bends over in front of him, Bloom doesn't even have the guts/moral laxity/cruelty to have a genuine affair like Molly does or go to a brothel and use prostitutes, he only goes there because he's following Stephen out of concern for him, if I'm remembering it aright.

I don't mean to put down Bloom, it's obvious he's a great guy and Joyce wanted the end to be redemptive and to imply that Bloom's kindliness and gentleness are heroic, but he's also creating a sometimes ridiculous comical contrast with the chauvinistic heroism of Ulysses and even making something both hilarious and sad out of his cuckoldry, something that doesn't fit with the neatness of heroism.

Although your post is still good for at least having an interpretation of Ulysses and even referencing some interesting critical view of Sirens I've never heard of or considered, how many people on /lit/ can do that nowadays or since its beginning?

[Anonymous No.8546391]

>>8542214
/thread

[Anonymous No.8546402]

>>8545405
It's good but painfully as described. Bellow's great at writing a downer.

[Anonymous No.8546407]

>>8544487
He always blamed others for his failures. He definitely was a decadent

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>>8546343
>Actually having an affair with sex outside of marriage is a bit more serious than Bloom writing letters to women, looking at women and masturbating to one who bends over in front of him, Bloom doesn't even have the guts/moral laxity/cruelty to have a genuine affair like Molly does or go to a brothel and use prostitutes, he only goes there because he's following Stephen out of concern for him, if I'm remembering it aright.

In Circe his past philandering is brought to light during his mock-trial. Even then though you are right. I think they are all sort of onanistic in the sense that they are unrequited and engaged in though anonymous dirty letter writing to various women, and there is a maid he once tried to force himself upon who rebuffed him.

>he's also creating a sometimes ridiculous comical contrast with the chauvinistic heroism of Ulysses and even making something both hilarious and sad out of his cuckoldry, something that doesn't fit with the neatness of heroism

He does that with every aspect of Odysseus myth though. I think the wider implication of the parody and inversion are that he is exalting Bloom by turning the trivial aspects of one random day in his life into a parallel of the myth which heads the western cannon. He is bringing the myth into the realm of human life and proposing that this is the form heroic struggle takes in the day to day life of any random person. Bloom doesn't come in and conquer with a giant bow; he conquers with the kind of bland restraint displayed in Sirens and the neurotic, shameful self-inventory displayed in Circe, in which he finds outlet for all his paranoid frustration but also an avenue to mentally redeem himself -- which is equally ludicrous, and I haven't read it in a while, but I believe results in him being proven such a well-intended person that he is crowned king of Ireland and proceeds to build a new Eden according to his whims as the populace fawns about him, women all over professing their love for him, killing themselves for want of him.

And it is the same with the whole Stephen/Telemachus/Rudy scenario. He saves Stephen literally in the whorehouse, which is about the best that can be done. He can't replace his dead son with Stephen, or save Stephen from his uncertain future. But he does save Stephen, literally, a small and petty heroic feat, but the sort that actual life is made up of. I mean I think you're right there is obviously a ton of ironic contrast at play, that deprives the story of a mythic commodious resolution, but I think it operates at the expense of the Odyssey not at the expense of the characters in Ulysses. And I think if the 'big question' of the book is whether or not Bloom is ultimately a hero I would side with the 'he is' faction.

[Anonymous No.8546576]

Your diary

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>>8546343
>First, why the namefagging.

why not

[Anonymous No.8546624]

[Anonymous No.8546687]

>>8546624
srs?

[Anonymous No.8546789]

>>8544487
Got to agree

[Anonymous No.8546835]

>>8546687
Main protaganist is the buggest cuck

[Anonymous No.8546903]

>>8542462
Othello is Desdemona's husband you retard.

In other thoughts, was Shakespeare a cuck? He seems to enjoy talking about whitey being scared of black people a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.8546945]

>>8545442
What a cunt

[Anonymous No.8547096]

>>8542222

What do you mean? He gets cucked at the end and he occasionally dwells on the fact that he's about to get cucked throughout the novel. It is even revealed towards the end that she has cucked him before... Did you read the book?

[Anonymous No.8547105]

>>8546945
is not their white savior version of a rich guy taking in a poorfag to serve his family for years?The guy is usually a butler but I have seen other versions

[Anonymous No.8547112]

>>8546903
>He seems to enjoy talking about whitey being scared of black people a bit too much.
That is because secretly he was a black woman

[Anonymous No.8547114]

>>8545442
>>8546945
What an enormous faggot.

[Anonymous No.8547118]

>>8542185
The Catcher in the Rye

[Anonymous No.8547121]

Stoner. Also pic related.

[Anonymous No.8547122]

The Sun Also Rises

[Anonymous No.8547123]

>>8545774
>was that british guy also lying about having had him in sights?
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, that happened later and was about British operatives penetrating deep into enemy territory (so nothing to do with WWI or the front line)

[Anonymous No.8547149]

>>8547123
allegedly
>Private Henry Tandey, a British soldier serving near the French village of Marcoing, reportedly encounters a wounded German soldier and declines to shoot him, sparing the life of 29-year-old Lance Corporal Adolf Hitler.

[Anonymous No.8547157]

>>8547149
>A photograph that appeared in London newspapers of Tandey carrying a wounded soldier at Ypres in 1914 was later portrayed on canvas in a painting by the Italian artist Fortunino Matania glorifying the Allied war effort. As the story goes, when British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain traveled to Germany in 1938 to engage Hitler in a last-ditch effort to avoid another war in Europe, he was taken by the führer to his new country retreat in Bavaria. There, Hitler showed Chamberlain his copy of the Matania painting, commenting, “That’s the man who nearly shot me.”
> Hitler had a reproduction of the Matania painting as early as 1937—a strange acquisition for a man who had been furious and devastated by the German defeat at Allied hands in the Great War. Twice decorated as a soldier, Hitler was temporarily blinded by a mustard gas attack in Belgium in October 1918 and was in a military hospital in Pacewalk, Germany, when he received news of the German surrender.

[Anonymous No.8547182]

>>8546564
OK, I can agree with this, or rather with the well-written way you've put it. Good post. I too dislike the tendency of people and critics to make fun of Bloom and disregard how much Joyce likes him.

[Anonymous No.8548534]

>>8546903
>Othello is Desdemona's husband you retard.

I swear that she ran from her husband and father to marry Othello

[Anonymous No.8548544]

Who is Marcel Proust?

[Anonymous No.8548671]

>>8547122
He's wounded from a war, that's different.

[Anonymous No.8548808]

>>8546564
>Everyone's a hero in their own Odyssey :DDDD

[Anonymous No.8548834]

>>8548808
Jamba Juice woulda thought you an asshole BTW and unfit to get anything out of Ulysses.