hey /lit/ what's your favorite ghost story? pic related is mine. it has a spooky ghost that moves shit around on a high school campus and drugs his son and talks to a comatose recovering addict.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:32:15 2016 No.8505928 [Reply] [Original]

hey /lit/ what's your favorite ghost story?

pic related is mine. it has a spooky ghost that moves shit around on a high school campus and drugs his son and talks to a comatose recovering addict.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:35:16 2016 No.8505943 Holy shit wasn't a ghost it was the disembodied manifestation of the authorial intention - for the last fucking time. Don't you know what 'metafiction' is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:39:32 2016 No.8505968 >>8505943 no dude read the book again, i'm pretty sure it was a ghost

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:40:25 2016 No.8505976 >>8505943 No, I agree with OP, it was def. a ghost. Besides it was a for real-real ghost in Hamlet already.

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:43:35 2016 No.8505988

>>8505968
I wrote my freaking Master's Thesis on the radical incorporation of the author in Wallace's work - I think you need to read the book again and understand that DFW was not in the business of writing ghost stories, he was trying to alter the rules of novel writing itself.

>>8505976
Sure, "you" agree with "OP."

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:46:42 2016 No.8506004 >>8505988 >Master's Thesis Isn't this what you call undergrad projects? That's... not really helping one's argument, is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:46:56 2016 No.8506006 >>8505988 They're fucking with you, senpai.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 20:50:22 2016 No.8506017 >>8506006 this >>8506004 not sure if you're fucking with him though or just dumb also think the guy who supposedly wrote his master's thesis on DFW might be joking too.... this is an advanced bait thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:15:26 2016 No.8506105 >>8506017 >might be joking too Thought so too, but when in doubt...

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:38:49 2016 No.8506190

>>8506004
Do you really not know the difference between a Bachelor's and Master's degree? Did you just get to college?

>>8506017
Jesus Christ it's not a joke. You can probably find the word metafiction on DFW's wiki like five times. There are no "ghosts" in Infinite Jest it's an authorial intervention (I call these AIs in my thesis) into the plot of the text. They can be very moving, while at the same time incredibly complicated.

It's not impossible to miss the significance of such passages, but when one does it's best to keep one's mouth shut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:45:13 2016 No.8506216 >>8506190 That sounds like academic overthinking, I'm sticking with ghosts anon, you should too

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:53:15 2016 No.8506247 >>8506190 buddy you're really detailing my thread with all this college shit. i just want to know you're favorite ghost story. if you don't have one, then just move on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:54:42 2016 No.8506254 >>8506190 buddy you're really detailing my thread with all this college shit. i just want to know your favorite ghost story. if you don't have one, then just move on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:55:45 2016 No.8506257 >>8506216 >academic overthinking Literally written by an academic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:57:55 2016 No.8506266 >>8506254 You've "derailed" your own thread by posting a novel without any ghosts. Maybe you want to try another thread with something more your level? Like Stephen King?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:58:58 2016 No.8506270 >>8505943 >>8505988 >>8506190 Post thesis. Or feet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 21:59:58 2016 No.8506278 File: 192 KB, 376x390, DFW3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8505943 That sounds ten times worse. What a sloppy, hamfisted way to throw your opinions at the reader.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:00:29 2016 No.8506281 legendary thread

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:03:13 2016 No.8506291

>>8506270
I'm posting from my phone wrote right now but I could actually upload a Google doc of it if there's interest.

I was thinking of publishing it after I finish my doctorate anyway.

>>8506278
I don't think you know what the words sloppy or hamfisted mean. He isn't "conveying" his "point" - what does that even mean?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:09:29 2016 No.8506308 >>8506291 >Google doc Why? It's an image board. O wait you mean the thesis. Sure, I'd be interested.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:11:30 2016 No.8506314 >>8506308 Alright, I won't be home for a while, but /lit/'s a slowboard so this bad boy isn't 404ing on us for hours. Keep this tab open I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:27:16 2016 No.8506342 >>8505928 A Christmas Carol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:28:59 2016 No.8506343 >>8506342 This. Also, The Catcher in the Rye

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:36:43 2016 No.8506358 >>8506342 ooh, nice one. my favorite part is the cripple child.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 22:49:32 2016 No.8506391 The Wind-Up Girl My Idea of Fun

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 23:07:22 2016 No.8506446 >>8506291 >quoting words that didn't appear in my post Your trolling is sloppy and hamfisted.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 23:16:26 2016 No.8506476 >>8505928 the bible

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 23:19:16 2016 No.8506488 >>8505943 it could be both a ghost and a manifestation of authorial intention...

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 01:09:00 2016 No.8506756

>>8506446
Look asshole, the AIs in Infinite Jest do not "chuck" the "thoughts" of the author at the reader. Those are your words, not mine.

You haven't read Infinite Jest, so why are you even posting in this thread?

The AI is in some ways a parody of hamfisted writing, but it's much more nuanced than that and demands a serious response from the reader as well. I can tell this conversation is useless, being that I'm talking to an actually drooling orangutan, but what OP brazenly (and inaccurately) calls a ghost is one of DFW's greatest contributions to literature.

>>8506488
No. It can't be. That would render the AI meaningless. It would stop being metafiction and devolve into mere fiction about the supernatural. This is not a point serious literary scholars debate and you'd be doing yourself a favor accepting it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 01:25:34 2016 No.8506793

>>8505928
figured it wouldnt be worth making a thread for this, and so i'll ask here:

when do i read the footnotes? as they occur, or all at once at the end? the former breaks my reading flow, but if i save it for the end then they no longer seem pertinent as they are out of context

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 02:46:32 2016 No.8506922

>>8506190
Why the fuck would a manifestation of DFWs intent just come in and fuck with a tennis game between Hal and Ortho. It's definitely a spooky ghost having a final communion with his son using the only way they could bond as a vessel, not fucking "'I like tennis' -DFW '96"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 02:50:07 2016 No.8506928 >>8506793 if author's intent is important to you, I believe dfw intended for them to be read as they occur, yes it breaks your flow its intended to be tedious hes a fucker

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 02:51:04 2016 No.8506929 Picked up this book this week. Looking forward to starting it. Did you guys enjoy it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 03:39:25 2016 No.8507006 >>8505928 The "wraith" never spooped me, but I was feeling curious as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 03:41:46 2016 No.8507010 >>8506278 It sounds like you've never read the book, so how the fuck would you know if it was sloppy or hamfisted? Or even a valid interpretation in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 03:45:51 2016 No.8507013 >>8505943 >>8505928 Christ, even if JOI was a fucking ghost, it still wouldn't make IJ a ghost story. Blood Meridian is not a Western, Romeo and Juliet is not a Romance, and White Noise is not Science Fiction. OP is just trying to rustle your jimmies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 05:43:07 2016 No.8507149 >>8506756 All trolling aside, the way in which you attempt to convince people of your proposition is nothing less than loathsome and only invites shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 07:15:51 2016 No.8507301 >>8506756 Im genuinely curious -- what is authorial intention, and how does it relate to metafiction?

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 11:02:25 2016 No.8507820

>>8506756
>No. It can't be. That would render the AI meaningless. It would stop being metafiction and devolve into mere fiction about the supernatural
This reeks of someone coming up with a half baked thesis and putting on blinders in order to maintain it. Infinite Jest IS metafiction, but the metafiction isn't dependent on the ghost being a manifestation of the author himself. It wouldn't cease to be metafiction without this interpretation. If anything, the footnotes provide this window into authorial intent, and it is through the footnotes that DFW diverges from traditional narrative techniques.

And bragging about being among the literary scholars who are the only people that can truly comprehend Infinite Jest is not doing you any favors. Literary scholars and critics are poison to the arts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 11:07:48 2016 No.8507842 >>8505988 >radical Joyce did it decades before

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 11:09:25 2016 No.8507850 >>8506756 You sound like a massive douche, even though I agree with you. And I still want to read your master's thesis

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 12:03:20 2016 No.8508046 >>8506314 Another anon, I'd read it. Just finished IJ recently and have gone through five or six theses on it already. I'm not an academic myself but it's some cool stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 12:27:06 2016 No.8508134 >>8508046 Any particularly good theses you recommend anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 13:30:21 2016 No.8508304 >>8508134 Same question. Any recs? I'm doing my undergrad thesis this year. Was thinking about doing something with Wallace. Would like to read a few before starting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 14:26:08 2016 No.8508487 >>8508134 >>8508304 http://www.thehowlingfantods.com/thesisb.htm

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 14:47:31 2016 No.8508581 >>8506929 Yes its very good. DOn't pussy out and stop reading 100 pages in. You have to get to roughly 250ish pages before it starts making any sense. Its very thought provoking and it can be pretty depressing in some parts as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 14:59:16 2016 No.8508619 >>8507013 But BM is a western.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 15:02:39 2016 No.8508629

>>8506756
>No. It can't be. That would render the AI meaningless. It would stop being metafiction and devolve into mere fiction about the supernatural. This is not a point serious literary scholars debate and you'd be doing yourself a favor accepting it.

Well, good thing no genuinely serious literary scholars debate anything over fucking Infinite Jest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 15:05:46 2016 No.8508637 It was a garden variety wraith

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 15:07:38 2016 No.8508641 Ghosts by Cesar Aira, duh

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 16:17:51 2016 No.8508867

>>8507301
Authorial Intervention. Authorial intention is a fallacious method of lit crit that seeks to explain the "meaning of a text" through biographical research into the life of the author.

Part of the AI involves DFW smuggling a parody of his intention into the text via the footnotes, which of course only makes his authority over the text even more tenuous. Buy like I said this is only one manifestation of the AI. Another is what OP calls the "ghost" wherein DFW inserts his will into the plot of the novel (which should be self-contained) thereby annihilating any illusion of a closed system of narrativity. This is the power of the AI and what makes it a powerful tool for the metafictionist.

>>8507820
I was going to respond to your post seriously but then you went ahead and spoiled it with this beauty:
>Literary scholars and critics are poison to the arts

Infinite Jest was literally written by a "literary scholar and critic" you gibbering rube.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 16:23:31 2016 No.8508899

>>8507842
Joyce is certainly a predecessor of DFW and no less brilliant.

Still, the AI that DFW develops is different from Joyce's more purely abstract moments of "play" where the novel (talking about Ulysses here) seems to produce its own words divorced from the indirect discourse of the characters. Consider the "love loves to love love" passage as an example.

>>8507850
>>8508046
I'll whip that thesis up as soon as I get home. Hold on to your hats.

Btw this simpleton's work isn't worth the time of day:>>8508487

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 16:26:15 2016 No.8508910 The Age of Bowie

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 16:51:36 2016 No.8508997 >>8508867 >Infinite Jest was literally written by a "literary scholar and critic" you gibbering rube. Oh, I guess that makes it untrue. Sorry to inconvenience you, your lordship

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 16:55:35 2016 No.8509012 >>8508997 That actually does make it untrue unless you consider Infinite Jest poison and not art. Very few artists aren't also academics and critics, from Baudillaire to Pamuk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 17:00:15 2016 No.8509028 >>8509012 >Baudillaire Thank you for the time I might've wasted reading your posts

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 17:04:32 2016 No.8509039

>>8509028
That's probably for the best. There are a bunch of typos in my posts.

You'd only greentext them to avoid thinking about a tenth grade level. Sometimes I think when stupid people read my work they physically diminish me and I get cramps in my abdomen.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:01:01 2016 No.8509279

>>8508867
Hmm I see, thanks!

Whats the specific footnote you have in mind with regards to (w/r/t ;-) ) the "parody of his intention" ? Cause we might have the same one in mind? but Im also only in my 2nd year of uni and prolly not as informed about this stuff as you

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:06:34 2016 No.8509297

>>8509039

I'm unaffiliated, but y'know, you don't have to be a condescending dick on the internet just because you can.

This might be one of the first threads I've seen in weeks with actual insight, and then it has to be delivered in the most insufferable way imaginable.

God damn it lit. God fucking damn it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:13:36 2016 No.8509327

>>8506756
>the AIs in Infinite Jest do not "chuck" the "thoughts" of the author at the reader
I was having doubts, but this sentence eliminated them. You are, without a doubt, the god of trolls. I'm genuinely in awe of your abilities. Please never stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:15:31 2016 No.8509337 >>8509297 >you don't have to be a condescending dick on the internet just because you can I respectfully disagree.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:19:13 2016 No.8509351

>>8509039
dude, youre insufferable. i genuinely feel bad that you have the inability to interact with people in a normal, respectful manner. if it wasn't obvious enough from the fact that you are 'studying' Infinite Jest, I'd have to say that you seem legitimately autistic

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:39:31 2016 No.8509455

>>8509279
Nearly all of the footnotes can be understood to be a parody of authorial intention.

Consider, for example, footnote 216 (not sure which edition you have otherwise I could give you page numbers). It reads simply "No clue." The irony of the AI is most obvious here: the footnote exists as a form for an author to assert his authority over a given text by supplying additional information, so what happens when a footnote is included to undercut that very authority?

But I wouldn't get too bogged down on the footnotes, the AI has much more fascinating manifestations that require much more complex configurations of thought.

>>8509297
>>8509351
No, anons, you are the ones who are "insufferable." Here I am, with an actual thesis under my belt and a shining future in academia, and illiterate guttersnipes on an anonymous message board have the audacity to question my life's work and in the process make it clear they've never so much as seen the book in Barnes and Nobel (I guess the Manga section is on a different floor in whatever fucktown you were spawned in). I'm not going to roll over and babytalk my way through a conversation with someone who believes DFW was some twobit purveyor of campfire stories. If you don't want me to be "mean," don't give me the occasion, you fat, sobbing voles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:54:11 2016 No.8509503 >>8509455 Anyway, is your paper going to be posted soon? I'm genuinely interested to read it, your somewhat hilariously retarded pretension aside.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 18:57:58 2016 No.8509509 >>8509503 Yeah. I'll have it up as soon as I get home. Fair warning: it's long. The AI is only part of a much larger investigation of Wallace's impact on literature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 19:48:46 2016 No.8509692 >>8509351 >getting this worked up over anything on www.facehook.com/tibetan_whale_milk_recipes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 19:54:08 2016 No.8509709 >>8509503 There's sadly no way anon could type up a thesis-long doc for this in time... chipped in too much to use a pomo generator now. /lit/ could've had its own rock collector document

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 20:26:40 2016 No.8509828

>>8509327
I've been lurking for more than a day trying not to blow anon's cover, but
>it's an authorial intervention (I call these AIs in my Thesis)
had me crying.

The best bait thread I've seen on /lit/ in years and desu there's still a 10% chance he's serious.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 20:32:50 2016 No.8509846

>>8505943
Actually the arc of you belief after reading should go:

>Fragmented timeline, sudden ending.
>Two causal timelines
>"True" timeline ending with match
>Discovery of second murder
>Ghost hypothesis
>Meta fiction writers shade
>Second head discovery
>Real father hypotheses
>Real ghost
> Mario Suicide premonition
>Final terminal beach ending

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:03:41 2016 No.8509954 >>8509828 >there's still a 10% chance he's serious. That's the best part

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:08:48 2016 No.8509970 >>8505928 my diery tbdesu wtf I hate myself now

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:13:28 2016 No.8509983 >>8506190 How the fuck did you find your way to 4chan? They are fucking with you

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:28:20 2016 No.8510032

>>8509846
Explain please thank you. I'm at
> Fragmented timeline, sudden ending.
> re-read opening
> put together vague close of loop
> become sure of who sent IJ out by post
> Look at weird parabolic curve diagram and read IJ is a satellite thesis
> believe JOI ghost real
> Believe enters Stice though forehead wound
> believe Stice V Hal is fun proxy for final real interface between Hal / JOI
> unsure about how DMZ entered Hal - JOI or slow reaction from mould prompted by MJ stoppage backed up by medical attache bit ( gut flora, DMZ mould that grows on mould)
> Become V intrigued by
>Meta fiction writers shade
>Second head discovery
>Real father hypotheses
> Mario Suicide premonition
>Final terminal beach ending

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:31:32 2016 No.8510043 >>8506190 It's pretty obviously a JOI ghost that says some DFW type shit about fiction writing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:33:04 2016 No.8510049 >>8510032 I seem to have stopped at >meta fiction shade care to briefly enlighten me on the last 4 arrows?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:41:51 2016 No.8510082 >>8509455 Bro why would u spend time studying DFW. Don't you know he sucked?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 21:44:47 2016 No.8510094 >>8510082 /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 22:10:39 2016 No.8510198 >>8510049 Me too, I'm asking the dude above me

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>>8509455
>the footnote exists as a form for an author to assert his authority over a given text by supplying additional information

That is stupid. You are stupid. Footnotes deffer authority and remove accountability from the author.

Plus David is a stupid name. Everyone I've ever known named David is someone I could see secretly wearing diapers in a weird asexual way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:09:49 2016 No.8510412 >>8506922 "Fuck this shit, I'm out" -DFW '12

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:32:55 2016 No.8510476 >>8505928 What's the point of deeply studying DFW, anyway? All he did was achieve an original way to suck.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:37:41 2016 No.8510498

>>8509983
I've known about 4Chan for years. It wasn't until Verso published Hacker, Hoaxer, Whistleblower, Spy: The Many Faces of Anonymous that I started visiting semi-regularly. I think the website's enforced estrangement of the ego is fascinating. I wrote up a short essay on the phenomenon that I had published in a decent university's humanities review about a year ago, but I'm a little embarrassed by some of the sources I used (I respected Chomsky then, eugh). /lit/ never fails to underwhelm me with the depth of its anti-intellectualism, though.

>>8510032
None of this meant anything to me. "JOI" is not common to any of the Wallace scholarship I've read. I'm sorry if you went through hundreds of pages of a great novel without comprehending anything. I really am.

>>8510082
You would be laughed out of any university unless you were some hunchbacked medievalist. I get the feeling you don't even have a GED, though. How do you pass your Sunday afternoons? Reading Sanderson?

>>8510377
It comes to this. A tripfag.

The politics of footnotes are steeped in authoritarianism. Their very existence is predicated on the ignorance of the reader, not the author, you monotesticled nincompoop. If the author thought a reader familiar with a given subject, he wouldn't include a footnote. DFW's subversion of the form (via the AI) is accomplished in part by the cluelessness of the voice providing the supplementary information.

If you actually missed this, I'd send you to remedial English (I can tell you're in high school), but I know that you've never so much as touched the book. Which is for the best. You're the kind of mental incompetent who can only ever devalue the things he reads. Like a moron's Midas Touch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:40:14 2016 No.8510503 >>8510498 If you are so embedded in Wallace's work, why are you continuing to be the thing that made Wallace cringe? All of this "academic showing off," is exactly what Wallace hated, you fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:40:59 2016 No.8510506 >>8510498 this is a whole pasta store of pasta like a boutique

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:48:30 2016 No.8510536 >>8510498 You don't deserve to study Wallace. You study the mechanics of Wallace's "love" in IJ, even understand the mechanics, but are clearly not moved by them. You come off as a fucking sociopath and are a tumour on DFW's legacy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:48:58 2016 No.8510539 >>8510498 dawg post that thesis before it 404's

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:49:15 2016 No.8510540

>>8510503
>all of my posts have carefully outlined DFW's sabotaging of authorial intention
>but anon why wouldn't you conform yourself to what DFW has said in his interviews

There are two types of DFW fans. There are those who watch him speak on YouTube for two minutes at a time. And there are those who actually read his books.

I think you had better consider a career in sports management or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:53:31 2016 No.8510561 >>8509455 >Barnes and Nobel

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 23:56:16 2016 No.8510574 >>8510540 Thesis or GTFO

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>>8510498
>The politics of footnotes are steeped in authoritarianism. Their very existence is predicated on the ignorance of the reader

No they are not; they are steeped in reference to authority. They point to other sources and beg you draw your own conclusion, or elaborate on the author's processes of thought to alleviate the burden of the assumption of authority writing takes on.

>tripfag
yeah man, you got me there! Do you even know what a tripcode is?

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:00:40 2016 No.8510582

>>8510540

DFW was unsatisfied with IJ because he knew sociopathic readers like you wouldn't be healed after reading it. You are literally a hideous man.

"It has something to do with love."

Why don't you go back and start with the basics before you start to call yourself a serious DFW reader? I bet cliches and bromides make you cringe, even though you what they meant to DFW, you pathetic child.

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:03:36 2016 No.8510587

>>8510536
I am moved by the "mechanics" (not a very good metaphor) of Infinite Jest. Often the book has brought me to tears. Often the book has had me in stitches. Nothing upsets me more that DFW was unable to finish The Pale King, because I truly believe it had the potential to be one of the greatest works of World Literature. I am not exaggerating when I say that I have dedicated my life to his texts, and especially to Infinite Jest, and that I will make a good deal of money doing so.

What I am not moved by are these idiotic babblings that 4Chan posters seem uniquely programmed to make. I've dealt with simpering apes who apparently believe in ghosts, I've suffered the wheezing pretensions of the uninitiated who have never read and will never read a word of Wallace, I've even taken the time out of my day to contend with sputtering moralists like yourself who are more interested in tone than content. No, I do not have the same experience reading and responding emotionally to Wallace that I have here, though I would not be surprised if you do.

But you strike me as someone, maybe, who was able to make it through the first few chapters of IJ. Tell me: what did you think of them? How would you position yourself in our little discussion of the Authorial Interventions?

>>8510539
I wouldn't worry too much about the thread 404ing. I'll upload the doc when I'm home.

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:04:48 2016 No.8510589

>>8510498
Why don't you write an essay about how My Little Pony is an existential meditation on the authoritarian nature of the relstionship between television producers and audiences. Do you always try this hard to sound like you're an intellectual? It's giving me really intense fremdschämen so I'm going to close this thread now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:07:12 2016 No.8510592 >>8510587 I hope you don't think it's anti-intellectualism when I say you sound like a giant blowhard.

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:10:50 2016 No.8510609

>>8510587

I'm glad you asked, because I think you're basically correct, and it reminds me of my own private study of IJ (though I haven't really looked at the ghost yet, I'm just looking at how the sentences work). Yeah, I'm a moralist. Sorry for damning you so much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:12:57 2016 No.8510617 >>8510587 By the way, you know that there really were ghosts in Infinite Jest right?

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:19:25 2016 No.8510633

>>8510587

Oh, also: Okay, I do get it now, I see how you are a person who is very moved by Wallace while still being the type of person who pisses me off.

Because I don't think Wallace is enough for anyone. Not for you, not for me, not for /lit/. You are changed and moved deeply by Wallace. But if it wasn't obvious, Wallace will not save you, and honestly, you should break away from him a little bit as I did.

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>>8510587
lol if you are really in a graduate programme that is depressing

I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for your programme. I feel sorry for your advisor. I feel sorry for the discipline in general.

>But you strike me as someone, maybe, who was able to make it through the first few chapters of IJ

please just stop

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:31:37 2016 No.8510663

>>8510576
>Do you even know what a tripcode is?

I'm not racist, but I think I've finally come to understand what the mini-memebered frogposters of /pol/ feel toward blacks and Jews. Consider yourself filtered. You should probably find another thread to post in.

>>8510592
No, that would put you into the "sputtering moralist" category.

>>8510609
>>8510617
>>8510633
There are no actual ghosts in IJ. This almost feels like a dream at this point. Refer to the first post ITT:>>8505943

>Wallace will not save you, and honestly, you should break away from him a little bit as I did.

I read other authors regularly, but having a career in academia does depend on specialization and I've found Wallace's oeuvre fertile ground for scholarship. As for the redemptive qualities of his work, that's just your moralism acting up. I'd have that checked out if I were you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:36:29 2016 No.8510681 >>8510639 Mmm, it's not depressing. He's exactly the sort of person who WOULD be studying Wallace in a graduate program. It's alright. If I strike him as someone "worth talking to," that actually makes me a little glad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 00:39:21 2016 No.8510687 >>8510663 The moralism is here to stay, lmao. I'm baically the hippy girl in Brief Interviews. DFW supports me. It's shocking. Anyway, fair enough then, and I'm glad your skin is thick enough to take all this hate you get.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 02:36:13 2016 No.8510950 >>8510377 >trying to troll the big daddy troll >>8510576 >>8510639 >letting him troll you anyway Embarrassing desu. I would change trips.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 05:15:50 2016 No.8511206 >>8508867 > gibbering rube >>8509455 > fat, sobbing voles Mate, your'e a fuckin classic

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 06:08:13 2016 No.8511287 For the love of God post at least some of this fucking thesis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 09:12:34 2016 No.8511584 File: 492 KB, 176x216, youcanttellmehowifeeldotgif.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8511287 Don't worry, anon: >>8506291 >>8506314 >>8508899 >>8509509 >>8510587 He'll post it as soon as he gets home.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 09:14:11 2016 No.8511588 File: 54 KB, 519x412, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best meta-trolling thread in this board atm, paired with the hundred post gentleman and the WOWBOYO spammer. Great shitposting times are coming, methinks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 09:22:22 2016 No.8511614 Obviously Stirner's Ego and it's Own

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 10:10:16 2016 No.8511742 >>8511584 I'm beginning to think thesisbro is homeless. That makes the most sense to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 10:15:21 2016 No.8511756 >>8511742 > Literature scholar > Making a good amount of money

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 10:17:43 2016 No.8511760 File: 121 KB, 250x310, DFW5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8511588 On the contrary. This is some remarkably lazy trolling that proves /lit/ isn't anywhere near as smart as it claims to be. We should be ashamed of this thread. Saged.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 10:23:49 2016 No.8511774 >>8511760 >t. I got trolled fifty posts ago and I'm still rustled

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 11:45:47 2016 No.8512017 i cant believe you enjoyed the story faggot

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 12:07:08 2016 No.8512107

>>8511774
Lmao check the filename:
>>8511760
>>8506278
He actually did how embarrassing

>>8510498
>I've known about 4Chan for years. It wasn't until Verso published Hacker, Hoaxer, Whistleblower, Spy: The Many Faces of Anonymous that I started visiting semi-regularly.

This is 5D rustling. We are toasting in epic bread, gentlemen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 18:22:11 2016 No.8513160 File: 211 KB, 639x952, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Great thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 18:31:12 2016 No.8513192 >>8510498 >medievalist >implying you are a medievalist if you don't like DFW Whew laddie that's quite the jump... suddenly i understand how u stretched a half-baked idea into a thesis for your MFA.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 18:32:51 2016 No.8513196 >>8513192 W O W B O Y O O W B O Y O

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 18:41:55 2016 No.8513220 File: 48 KB, 330x319, 1438632435371.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: man desperately trying to convince himself that the 2 years he spent intricately studying a broderline YA DFW novel weren't a complete waste

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 21:59:04 2016 No.8513727 >>8510587 T H E S I S H E S I S

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 00:47:15 2016 No.8514178 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 06:40:06 2016 No.8514658 >>8513727 He'll post it when he get home ok

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 07:40:26 2016 No.8514755

People people who have actually read the book, I have a question:

Was Hal meant to be Price Hamlet or Alyosha, or did DFW borrow characteristics from both? I know the Enfield storyline and the Incandenza family were based off Hamlet, but I kept seeing a lot of TBK similarities.

And was Mario like Ivan (also Orin = Dmitri), or am I reading into something that wasn't there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 07:41:28 2016 No.8514757 >>8514755 For people*

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 07:45:07 2016 No.8514768 >>8514755 Hal = Ivan, not Alyosha and Mario = Alyosha. Typo again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 08:31:59 2016 No.8514880 >>8508899 >James Joyce is "no less brilliant" than DFW >did his master's thesis on fucking Infinite Jest I'm not even going to sperg out at you for what's certainly a valid interpretation. But Jesus Christ, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 09:35:59 2016 No.8515036 >>8514880 What did you do your master's thesis on, anon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 09:37:11 2016 No.8515038 Peace by Gene Wolfe.

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 10:16:05 2016 No.8515141

>>8506190
Nah it's a ghost. You're being the annoying English teacher who thinks every element of a novel actually has some veiled deeper meaning/symbolism.

Does the fact that IJs manuscript contained the word 'wraith' when Stice was manipulated by JOI during the tennis game do anything to convince you?

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 10:23:31 2016 No.8515177

>>8509455
>Here I am, with an actual thesis under my belt and a shining future in academia
hahaha, being this spergy over literally the biggest meme book. Do you understand why you are being given a hard time? Why don't you use some of your 'proleptic' analysis skills as a 'person with a shining future in academia' to figure it out

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 11:49:02 2016 No.8515436 All I wanted was to read that thesis...

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 16:06:41 2016 No.8516300 This is irony^infinity right here. I cannot tell what is real

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 17:42:43 2016 No.8516645 i'm about to throw this fuckin book in the trash because of this stupid image board

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 18:10:25 2016 No.8516719 File: 778 KB, 2891x2674, 7iao5rp6T.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not sure if this is the best or worst thread on /lit/ I've seen in a long time, good job guys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 19:48:48 2016 No.8517020 File: 23 KB, 466x359, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just keeping this behemoth alive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 17 05:35:55 2016 No.8518105 >>8508581 Thanks for the response. I've started and I really like it. I e of the things I'm enjoying is how everything feels like a sick irony. Especially the guy waiting for weed really early on. It felt so real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 17 13:55:51 2016 No.8519142 Never laughed at lit before but the absolute lord of academia above has made me believe there is a god

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 17 15:43:25 2016 No.8519502 >>8509455 if you actually read the book you'll realize that it's a ghost

Anonymous Sat Sep 17 20:24:36 2016 No.8520461

>>8506756
>Look asshole, the AIs in Infinite Jest do not "chuck" the "thoughts" of the author at the reader
Someone else already said this, but this is the point at which I realized we're dealing with a master troll. Great job, 10/10 troll posts, would definitely read again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 17 20:33:08 2016 No.8520491 >>8519142 It's Pinecone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 17 20:37:42 2016 No.8520508 File: 3 KB, 239x210, index.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8509455

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 18 08:21:37 2016 No.8521837 >>8520491 If only

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 18 11:40:20 2016 No.8522264 >>8520491 I want to believe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 18 15:24:37 2016 No.8522973 thesis when

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