>...Who's there? >...I am It only took 400 years you shitty hack.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 12 02:39:03 2016 No.8499414 [Reply] [Original]

>...Who's there?
>...I am

It only took 400 years you shitty hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:05:43 2016 No.8499529 Long live the King

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:09:52 2016 No.8499534 c/moooon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:40:54 2016 No.8499578 >dude it's either existing or not existing i guess lmao overrated cunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 05:08:38 2016 No.8499613 >William Shakespeare >AKA Willy Shakepenis >AKA Dick Wanker Lmao this guy is a fucking joke

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 05:10:31 2016 No.8499616 >tfw everyone - both plebs and patricians love the willy but I don't seriously how do I get into his work? I feel like I'm missing out for not enjoying it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 05:29:26 2016 No.8499636 >>8499616 go see a play. none of this shit was meant to be read off a page. i heard they do performances in london where they approximate the original pronunciation so it sounds all vulgar and growly like it was originally. that might be fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:21:36 2016 No.8499695 >>8499616 Neither could Tolstoy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:44:13 2016 No.8499730 >>8499695 Difference is Tolstoy probably had good reasons, but I don't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:54:54 2016 No.8499749 >>8499616 You need to be a wizard to understand Shakespeare. Otherwise stick to greek myth stories.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 07:28:34 2016 No.8499799
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>>8499616

Your not alone. Nietzsche's problem with Shakespeare, for example, was that he wrote his works for plebs and patricians alike. Theatre is, by definition, the most plebeian of all art fors.

Goethe was superior, precisely because he wrote for patricians alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 12:24:10 2016 No.8500452 File: 11 KB, 240x229, 1468113089773.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8499749 >You need to be a wizard to understand Shakespeare.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 17:15:33 2016 No.8501538 >>8500452 I'm sirius. SAY A A A M SO SO SIRIUSE

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:07:00 2016 No.8501643
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>>8499730
The only difference is Tolstoj took the time to actually articulate his opinion, rather than say someone else liked X thing or not and leave it at that. If you inquire on why you don't like something you'll either see that you misjudged it or that you might have a point: either way you'll be better off. Or you could choose apathy, maybe you just don't have the time.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:10:47 2016 No.8501651
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I never understood "I am."

Its contraction is "I'm," but they cannot be used in the same manner.

You cannot reply to "Who's there?" with, "I'm." Is there a grammatical term for this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:12:22 2016 No.8501654 >>8501651 I find you cute, okay?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:14:03 2016 No.8501658 >>8501651 I've'nt seen one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:15:45 2016 No.8501662 >>8501651 I feel like that's because 'I am' just became a shortened version of 'I am here', but that never happened with I'm. Idk

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:16:47 2016 No.8501667 >>8501654 grimes has aids prove me wrong

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:19:27 2016 No.8501675

>>8501651

And btw you probably can respond with I'm if the author has particular reason to do so.

As with speech there's minimal difference between pronunciation I'm and I am.

Language in essence is anarchic enough to allow for its development, for example somewhere somebody decided an apostrophe isn't needed when there is confusion between possession and abbreviation, such as it's redundancy or human retardation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:20:34 2016 No.8501678 >>8501667 idgaf about whoever you're talking about

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:23:50 2016 No.8501689

>>8500452
Well, you at least need a properly annotated copy of his plays to be able to grasp the meta stuff.

When I studied Shakespeare in Undergrad (BA in English Literature), I could understand (most of) the plots without reading the annotations, but that was about it.

To understand the double entendres, oblique meanings, most of the character motivations, not to mention all of the references, without reading the notes or having a professor explain them, you would have to be extremely well read, and already have a strong grasp of Early Modern English. Most people on /lit/ don't have both of those.

Without looking at the notes, I was able to understand some of the references, like the Greek mythology and Canonical references, but that was only because I used to read Greek Mythology and the Hebrew Scriptures for fun. Any of the other references went completely over my head.

He's not impossible to understand, but come on man, understanding Shakespeare is far from easy mode. It takes quite a lot of background knowledge and a specific set of literary skills to comprehend all of the literary devices, allusions, allegories, etc etc that he uses.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:29:04 2016 No.8501711

>>8499799
>Nietzsche's problem with Shakespeare, for example, was that he wrote his works for plebs and patricians alike.

>Goethe was superior, precisely because he wrote for patricians alone.

But that was what makes Shakespeare the greater genius - he could write essentially two plays in one, and could both seem to flatter or villainize when he was doing quite the opposite to the intended audience.

>>8501651
>You cannot reply to "Who's there?" with, "I'm." Is there a grammatical term for this?

One may respond with "I'm".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:30:11 2016 No.8501717 >...and Man Of Moon shall be thy honorific >that no one save for you shall ever utter what is the meaning of this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:35:11 2016 No.8501732 >>8501717 What is symbol of moon? What is honour? What is speech? What is pride?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:35:58 2016 No.8501735 >>8501689 >To understand the double entendres, oblique meanings, most of the character motivations Can you give us an example of something you didn't understand without your professors help

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:38:03 2016 No.8501741
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>>8501651
>they cannot be used in the same manner.
Presently. Contractions only occur because of phonological disonations, *then* they are distinguished from non-contracted forms--they are born as simple, unperceived slips of the tongue, not attempts to be poetic or innovative. The difference of meaning follows the accident of form.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:39:05 2016 No.8501749 >>8501711 If you knock on my door and I ask, "who's there" and you say, "I'm" I will fight you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:40:54 2016 No.8501753 >>8501651 I use all possible contractions, even where inappropriate, in text messages to friends but that's a bit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:42:56 2016 No.8501759 >>8501741 Poetry holding a strong emphasis on rhythm would distinguish I'm with I am. Feel the beat: I'm. I am. I AM. >>8501749 You'd fight them if they said I am, too? Either way you're right as stupid as you left with. bamboozle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:43:52 2016 No.8501762 >>8501753 e'en i'

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:46:10 2016 No.8501768 >>8501753 >>8501762 You're an embarrassment..

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:46:31 2016 No.8501772 >>8501759 >Poetry holding a strong emphasis on rhythm would distinguish I'm with I am. The choice would depend on the meter, rhyme et c.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:48:16 2016 No.8501777 >>8501772 The choice would depend on the expression and/or intention, which is the point of anarchic language in the first place, yes.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:55:34 2016 No.8501801
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>>8501777
Now that ı think about it, there are cases of obligatory contractions in Spanish, which raises the question of how much this was the case or not, in the English of Shakespeare's time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:58:35 2016 No.8501812 >>8501801 So interesting will you let us know when you know?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 18:59:16 2016 No.8501815 File: 11 KB, 240x229, 1473697450123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8501689

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:00:13 2016 No.8501818 >>8501815 lmao okay just read Illuminatus! by robert shea something something

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:04:07 2016 No.8501834 >>8501759 "I am" is cheeky but acceptable.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:06:27 2016 No.8501842

>>8501827

>"Who's that?" a voice called. Waterhouse, whose eyes had adjusted to the darkness, looked across the
empty living room into the foyer, where Milo A. Flanagan stood silhouetted in the light from the
exterior hall.
Waterhouse raised the heavy automatic in his hand to arm's length, sighted carefully, took a deep
breath and held it and squeezed the trigger. The pistol blasted and kicked his hand and the black
figure went toppling backwards into the startled arms of the men behind him.
A bat which had been sitting on a windowsill flew out the open window toward the lake. Only
Waterhouse saw it.
O'Banion came clumping into the room. He took a bent
-
kneed stance and fired a burst of six rounds
in the direction of the front door.

Just read this instead of Shakespeare and you won't even know you died kek

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:07:44 2016 No.8501846 >>8501812 I caren't so much as to look for such a specific fact, ı an't Harold Bloom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:09:20 2016 No.8501854 Every time I post an alt-right racist post after me lol do you want a fight?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:10:43 2016 No.8501863 Lads they wanna fight :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:11:52 2016 No.8501869 File: 22 KB, 240x229, 1473697450123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8501854 >>8501863

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:12:15 2016 No.8501871 >>8501846 >>8501801 Dude what is with your fucked up midget I

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:14:02 2016 No.8501878 >>8501871 C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-corrupt nations. Enjoy eating your own shite, lads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:16:29 2016 No.8501888 >>8501878 Wtf? Are you foreign or just crazy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:17:52 2016 No.8501894 >>8501871 TURKS ARE ROACHES

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:18:14 2016 No.8501896 >>8501888 I say, what happens to a turd when the flusher flushes - goes to the sewer lads!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:19:45 2016 No.8501905 Who would even be foolish enough to work against God?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:24:15 2016 No.8501922 >>8501871 Both cases of i don't feel right as the 1st person pronoun for different reason. Plus, being recognizable is useful because it makes me conscious of my posting quality, but using a trip is too visible and almost no one does it anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:32:50 2016 No.8501961 >>8501922 True that status quo bind I feel you brother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:33:55 2016 No.8501963 >>8501922 it's like we're all oppressed or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:47:59 2016 No.8502005 >>8501963 Yeah, we know we're all subject. The real issue is who's the king.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:55:14 2016 No.8502032 >>8502005 Hail to the king, baby

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 19:59:06 2016 No.8502043 >>8502005 >>8502032 Allah, baby.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:01:34 2016 No.8502056

>>8501735
Sure.
Much Ado About Nothing comes most readily to mind, iirc practically every joke in that play has multiple different meanings.

I didn't understand the double entendres in the title of Much Ado About Nothing. I'm just going to quote what Wikipedia has about the title because it's been a long time since I read that play, and wikipedia says it a lot clearer than I am able to.

>Nothing is a double entendre; "an O-thing" (or "n othing" or "no thing") was Elizabethan slang for "vagina", evidently derived from the pun of a woman having "nothing" between her legs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:06:14 2016 No.8502068 >>8502056 That's bad, stay silent in the future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:16:51 2016 No.8502095 How much of what's projected onto Shakespeare's plays by academics was actually intended by the author? If even half of it, he anticipates Nietzsche and the whole of 21st century society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:34:21 2016 No.8502164 >>8501651 My guess is that it is because of how it sounds combined with habit - it's too short to be clearly understood as "I am" on its own, without something following it. Same with "it's", "we're", "he'd" etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:50:58 2016 No.8502257 >>8501922 Ok snowflake

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:52:44 2016 No.8502266 >>8502068 Dont be a cunt, that was a good post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:53:57 2016 No.8502272 >>8501905 You are obviously very confused

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 20:56:15 2016 No.8502280

>>8501689
You really don't. The only overt references he makes are to mythology and history, the former of which are completely explained just by reading Bullfinch.

Everything else is your english professor going DUDE LITTLE DEATH LMAO to justify their job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 23:29:43 2016 No.8502760 >>8502068 Great response. I gave you exactly what you asked for, but you didn't have anything to back up your criticism so you just shitposted. What a surprise. >>8502056 I appreciate it mayne

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 23:40:05 2016 No.8502786

>>8502280
I've had English professors who did the equivalent of what you're talking about with other books, but the two professors I took for Shakespeare were not like that. I learned a lot from those classes. Sure, maybe I could have learned much of it from reading secondary texts, but I get a lot more out of an in person discussion in class than reading another book.

I'm glad you could get a lot out of Will through reading a supplementary text. To each their own.

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