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[Anonymous No.8472214]

Winds of Worrisome Delays Edition

Will it ever be weleased? Will GRRM ever deliver the conclusion of the series?


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Previous thread: >>8461993

[Anonymous No.8472227]

>>8472201
If Janus had a demon, one of the other demon bearers would have noted it by now. Winter's can identify even minor demons like the actual listen-demon in book two. And if Janus had a demon he probably would have blabbed about it while he was on drugs in book four.

[Anonymous No.8472231]

>>8472214
When ADWD came out I said TWOW will come out in 2017. Everyone thought I was being pessimistic or joking or just wrong and it would come out 2015 at the latest. Now it looks like 2017 was actually optimistic.

[Anonymous No.8472236]

Why on earth would you read it if it did?

[Anonymous No.8472276]

>>8472214
tWoW will be released.

He will kick the bucket before aDoS though.

[Anonymous No.8472283]

>>8472236
You're in /sffg/, anon. Forget the /lit/ you think you know.

[Anonymous No.8472310]

>>8472283
It's basically a soap opera. Why would you want to read a soap opera?

[Anonymous No.8472311]

>>8472310
Read it and find out

[Anonymous No.8472329]

There is no way A Dream of Spring will ever release. It's probably 50/50 on whether The Winds of Winter will.

I think he realized how corny his original ending was and is trying to throw in more stuff along the lines of A Storm of Swords to make ASOIAF not just have the generic fantasy ending where they kill all the bad guys.

[Anonymous No.8472353]

Will Lerna or Hoa win the Essunbowl?

[Anonymous No.8472366]

>>8472310
Not saying I would, just letting you know where you are.

[Anonymous No.8472382]

>>8472310
Poorly written soap opera where you can't learn the characters as fast as he's killing them off.

[Anonymous No.8472401]

If Martins croaks, which author could finish the series, with the summaries of the series' endings, that Martin left with the TV producers, as a last resort plan?

[Anonymous No.8472407]

>le grrm kills all his characters

Reminder that people who say perpetuate this meme have no knowledge of the series and are just spouting normie memes about the show

[Anonymous No.8472421]

>>8472236
>>8472283
>>8472310
>>8472366
>>8472382
t. non-reading pleb normies

[Anonymous No.8472437]

>>8471272
>Robert Feist
>Daughter of The Empire is included in the list above when it's the 4th book in the series.
a-are you feeling well anon?
>I just started the Sector General series by James White
Yes, those are fun.

[Anonymous No.8472441]

>>8472353
On one hand, the rule in Inheritance was that the younger, comparatively normal person (T'vril, Madding) lost and the more ancient, comparatively weird person (Nahadoth, Itempas) won, which seems like a point for Hoa. On the other hand, sticking to Inheritance, Hoa gives off Sieh-pining-after-Yeine vibes, and Sieh wasn't even a contender in the Yeinebowl. And if we expand to Dreamblood, everyone lost every bowl.

The only reasonable conclusion is that Hoa will vore Essun while Scaffa rides into the sunset with Nassun for more loli headpatting.

[Anonymous No.8472455]

replied in wrong thread... >>8472452

[Anonymous No.8472491]

>>8472421
use a real argument instead of ad hominem attacks.

[Anonymous No.8472492]

>>8472407
What way would character flooding add to a story?

[Anonymous No.8472497]

>>8472491
prove my argument is ad hominem

[Anonymous No.8472499]

>>8472497
Ad hominem attacks aren't an argument.

[Anonymous No.8472512]

>>8472499
prove it then

[Anonymous No.8472515]

>>8472276
A lot of ADOS may already have been written, GRRM probably spends a great deal of time organising the order of the story, he's had a Tyrion chapter where he has recurring dreams for like 10+ years now

[Anonymous No.8472537]

>>8472492
It's the "kills all his characters part" that shows you have no knowledge of the series

The characters that die, with maybe the exception of the Red Wedding, die at natural progressions in the character arcs, just like any other story. Like Ned's death is the standard "mentor dying to the bad guys to spark adventure", but idiots treat it like "omg the main character dies in the first book!!!111"

I think most people agree that he introduced too many characters in books 4 and 5.

[Anonymous No.8472551]

>>8472499
>>8472512
That's what i thought you dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.8472581]

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[Anonymous No.8472673]

>>8472329
I don't think its the ending thats getting it delayed. He just bloated it up with unnecessary crap. The whole point of his delay was the unwrap the meereenese plot as well as aging up the characters to the point where arya should be a hot assasin lady.

[Anonymous No.8472713]

>>8472537
>with maybe the exception of the Red Wedding

No, Robb was way fucked by then. His arc was over

[Anonymous No.8472756]

>>8472491
Calling you a pleb doesn't make it an ad hominem. It's only an ad hominem when the attack on character is used as an argument. He wasn't making an argument, he was just calling you a pleb you pleb.

[Anonymous No.8472761]

>>8472551
prove it

[Anonymous No.8472770]

>>8472756
finally, a smart man in this pointless chain

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8472995]

>>8472673

>aging up the characters to the point where arya should be a hot assasin lady

I think GRRM originally meant to create a time gap in the series sometime after the Red Wedding and then resume the series from 5-10 years in the future, where Arya is now a implacable assassin bent on revenge. Then the series' sales went through the roof and he or his publisher changed his mind.

[Anonymous No.8473010]

>>8472329
I don't think GRRM ever had a firm ending nailed down besides a few specifics (like Jon's heritage being central to both political and magical storylines). He's said in interviews that his process is more "organic" and he writes first and organizes second. Plus if you read his original query letters about these books his original vision for them doesn't at all resemble what we have now, so who knows how much his vision of the story has changed since book 1 was published.

[Anonymous No.8473256]

Why is the Wheel of Time so fucking slow? I really like the story and character but I just can't get gripped to it because of the pace.

[Anonymous No.8473271]

What are Jack Vance's best works? I'm reading through Dying Earth right now and I'm absolutely in love with his prose and the tone of the stories that is melancholic and playful at the same time.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8473305]

>>8473271

If you're enjoying "The Dying Earth", read "Rhialto the Marvellous", "The Eyes of the Overworld" and "Cugel's Saga which are set in the same world. I think some editions of "The Dying Earth" include these as well--I'm pretty sure I have a big paperback copy of it somewhere.

After those, you can try the Lyonesse trilogy which has a similar feel except it's a pre-Arthurian legendary setting.

Honestly, once you're hooked on Vance's prose, there are very few "bad" books. His early scifi books, like "Vandals of the Void" and "Big Planet", bear little relation to his later work as the dialogue is stilted and dull. 1956's "To Live Forever" ("Clarges") marks the dividing line between these books and his familiar style.

I would say "Clarges" and the Cugel books are my favorites.

[Anonymous No.8473314]

>>8473305
I like his prose but found what I read of Dying Earth very boring.

[Anonymous No.8473322]

>>8473305
Yeah, I have The Compleat Dying Earth. Reading Guyal of Sfere at the moment, and it's fun to see what elements Gene Wolfe used for Book of the New Sun (especially the giants-as-mounts), but it's one of the best setting for stories I've ever read.

Even looking back, thinking about something/someone like "Chun the Unavoidable" is almost funny, but at the time of reading it was terrifying.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8473340]

>>8473314

The original "The Dying Earth" stories--"Guyal of Sfere", "Turjan of Muir", etc.--are very different from his later work. I don't really care much for these other than it's interesting to see his progression from writing these during WWII while in the merchant marine to his later, better work. Still, these stories are what made his bones.

>>8473322

>Even looking back, thinking about something/someone like "Chun the Unavoidable" is almost funny, but at the time of reading it was terrifying.

The contrast between "Guyal of Sfere" and "Liane the Wayfarer" is startling. "Guyal" has arguably his worst lines:

>Shierl gazed at him with a marveling expression, and Guyal's soul throbbed
with love.
>She felt him quiver and whispered recklessly, "Guyal of Sfere, I am
yours, I melt for you..."

while "Liane" is as solid as anything he writes in Lyonesse, which was written roughly 40 years later.

[Anonymous No.8473370]

Anybody got any ideas what I could read for some sci-fi post apoc? Imagine an incredibly advanced run of the mill society like that of Star Wars or any other Garbage, with undergoes a massive collapse and has most technology bar FTL set back generations?

I can't find dick, in both senses.

[Anonymous No.8473378]

>>8473340
I agree that "Guyal" is much more melodramatic, but it is still miles above most scifi/science-fantasy. "Liane" seemed to almost be a dark fable you would tell children, and I love it.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8473413]

>>8473370

Isaac Asimov's Foundation series covers the fall of an intergalactic empire and the aftermath. It's intended more as an overview though with short pieces written as interludes.

Hmm. GRRM's "Tuf Voyaging" stories are set in a post-imperial galaxy as well, if I recall. I'm drawing a blank otherwise.

[Anonymous No.8473429]

>>8473413
Foundation isn't really a story, more and an interesting history book. Still in my top three though.

Memes aside the early ASoFI books were ok so I'll hope that means Tuf as well, I've give it a look.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8473446]

>>8473370

Teenaged me really enjoyed Timothy Zahn's Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy of Star Wars books, which are set after Endor. That could work for you.

[Anonymous No.8473525]

>>8473271

To add to what >>8473305 said, which I agree with 100%, I'd add

>The Demon Princes (5 books)
>The Dragon Masters
>Lyonesse (3 books)

I've also heard a lot of good things about the Cadwal Chronicles, but I've never read them.

If you look into it on your own, Rhialto the Marvelous gets a lot of hate for some reason but I loved it.

If you really liked the Dying Earth setting, the Songs of a Dying Earth homage anthology is actually really good--only one or two flops and several excellent stories with most being quite good.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8473563]

>>8473525

He has one of the omnibus volumes of "The Dying Earth"

>http://www.abebooks.com/9780739401101/Compleat-Dying-Earth-Jack-Vance-0739401106/plp

so "Rhialto" is included.

The Cadwal Chronicles are great--my favorite Vance scifi series--but they're a degree or two removed from "Dying Earth". They're closer to Vance's mystery writing output, I suspect. I haven't read "Bad Ronald" yet, which is supposedly his best mystery work.

"The Demon Princes" are probably his strongest series, don't you think? The others tend to tail off towards the end where this series, if anything, improves towards the end. I just have a soft spot for Cadwal; perhaps I like a mystery better than a revenge motif.

[Anonymous No.8473566]

>>8473370
I think david webers, safehold series would be right up your alley. basically futuristic man gets driven to the brink of extenction by homicidal aliens so as a last resort the send out a colony ship at the cost of an entire fleet as a decoy. and set up a colony where tech is religiously banned, and the enactment of a plan by dissenters hundreds of years in the making, to overthrow the religious stranglehold and take man back to the stars to prepare for the inevitable rediscovery by the homicidal aliens

[Anonymous No.8473620]

>>8473370
It's not post-apocalyptic but you should read Dune if you like the "low tech + FTL" aesthetic.

I shill John C. Wright a lot and he's not for everyone, but you might want to try Count to a Trillion; the whole series involves a sort of cyclic collapse of civilization in a "two steps forward, one step back" pattern although probably FTL doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.8473644]

>>8473563
I think Demon Princes is his best-constructed series, although I prefer the setting of Dying Earth and I liked Lyonesse better overall. However you're right that his endings can peter out a bit and DP's certainly didn't; Lyonesse probably needed another book to do it justice.

[Anonymous No.8473659]

>>8472441
>>8472353
>Essun
Well Alabaster and Innon already won the Essunbowl. Innon won the Alabaster bowl too. Essun will become a stone-eater like Alabaster so she can get reunited with Alabaster.

>Schaffa
F.
>literally has his role as villain replaced by Steel and only exists to keep Nassun in line
>getting cured is essentially instadeath
>if he doesn't get cured he's going to lose his mind like Ehiru and remember he's already too scared to an hero
>Mentor deathflag
>Redemption deathflag
>'You’ll kill everything you love, eventually. Your mother. Schaffa. All your friends here in Found Moon. No way around it' t-thanks Steel
>Even if he survives everything Essun is going to kill him because of MISUNDERSTANDING
>even if he survives everything + Essun old Schaffa will return and murder Nassun in maximum velocity tragedy because of Finagle's law
But that's probably's not going to happen. Schaffa's going to die and then Nassun will have a mental breakdown Shinji style and then go full Woobie, Destroyer of the Worlds trying to save him..
And it sucks because he's essentially won the Nassunbowl and they were really cute together.

[Anonymous No.8473689]

>>8473340
which is the best volume of the latter dying earth?

[Anonymous No.8473693]

>>8473620
>John C. Wright

>At age 42, Wright converted from atheism to Christianity, citing a profound religious experience with visions of the "Virgin Mary, her son, and His Father, not to mention various other spirits and ghosts over a period of several days", and stating that prayers he made were answered.[6] In 2008, he converted to the Roman Catholic Church, of which he approvingly said: "If Vulcans had a church, they'd be Catholics."[7]

[Anonymous No.8473764]

hey /sffg/, I recently had to restart an entire story from scratch, and while I'm now confident that the plot is a good one, the writing is coming out so bad that I don't even want to do any more today.

I've abandoned enough projects know the death throes of one of my stories when I see them, but a the moment my prose is so awful that even looking at it is discouraging me, and I'm not even sure I want to tell the story the way I've been telling it: as a fairy tale

Of course, no matter how I end up telling it, the story is going to be really fucking long, and I've never finished a story of more than 4300 words.

What should I do?

[Anonymous No.8473799]

>>8473764
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xbvK7hyOoGoOJzNxk0I-XPl_98AZQUWLrQX00F_406g/edit?usp=sharing

this was my first and possibly last attempt at writing fiction. short two page introduction, I promise this will make you feel better by comparison.

[Anonymous No.8473815]

>>8472214
>Will it ever be weleased? Will GRRM ever deliver the conclusion of the series?
He's obviously resigned himself to letting the show finish the story for him.

[Anonymous No.8473816]

>>8473764
Keep writing and deleting.
Are you writing on word? Open other word tabs and keep your main project on hold, write whatever excites you on the moment but always try to keep it on the same universe, on the same time period.
Rewrite what you think has shitty prose from another POV or on another style
Do little experiments to your plot (what ifs)
Just a few ideas to keep the ball rolling

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8473858]

>>8473689

As in, which collection of stories? I would choose one of the omnibus editions like what anon has, "The Compleat Dying Earth", or "Tales of the Dying Earth", which I have.

The original novel that contained the short stories alone is probably hard to find and then you'd have to hunt down the Cugel stories anyways, which I would consider the must-haves from the Dying Earth. Better to simply get one of the omnibuses and have it all at once.

>>8473644

>Lyonesse probably needed another book to do it justice.

Yes, the war at the end felt hurried, almost an afterthought really, as if he only wanted to tie up loose ends and turn in the book on deadline.

[Anonymous No.8473863]

>>8473256
Jordan kept adding points of view to the story and it slowed to a crawl as a result. Rather than taking advantage of his multiple points of view to jump ahead in time, so that while one principle character is doing nothing interesting you can look at one who is, and then get back to the first guy once shit is happening again for him, he tries to do about a dozen viewpoints all happening concurrently. And you know, simultaneous plotlines can work when it's like 2 or 3 at most, but more than that and it just turns into a clusterfuck or a slog depending on how spaced apart the view points are.

[Anonymous No.8473929]

>>8473620

Sounds like The Mote in God's Eye. The cyclic cycle of collapse, archeology, and technological rise over and over.

>>8473370
Ringworld Engineers has an interesting setting. The ring itself is so big that post collapse, it's inhabitants couldn't mix to interbreed and diverged into separate humanoid species.

[Anonymous No.8474103]

Jija is a good man who did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.8474113]

>>8474103
>murdered a toddler
>beat a loli

He's still only the third worst Jemisin dad, but come on.

[Anonymous No.8474128]

>>8473863
It's a shame. He writes in a very compelling way.

The guy made me hungry more than once on his food discriptions.

[Anonymous No.8474157]

This is a terrible /sffg/

[Anonymous No.8474175]

I know some people disparagingly refer to Sanderson as western anime because it's all about powering up and fighting

But I kinda like that

What would the best book in this subgenre be?

[Anonymous No.8474178]

>>8474175
So do I. But he needs to grow as a writer.

[Anonymous No.8474184]

>>8474157
Opened with a GRRM image. What can you expect.

[Anonymous No.8474205]

>>8473689
Have you read the stuff with Cugel the Clever?

[Anonymous No.8474307]

>>8474103
>ignoring Schaffa who could probably kill him without lifting a finger and not even feel bad after it
>trying to kill a loli with SS rank transmutation/molecular manipulation skills
>Hating on the cool magic and not realising what kind of story he was in
Jija did everything wrong.

[Anonymous No.8474332]

>>8474128
He's extremely readable in a way that I think more authors could strive to be. People can call his prose staid and simple but I'm not reading fantasy for the prose.

[Anonymous No.8474342]

>>8474332
Who reads fantasy for the prose though?

And don't even say Bakker...

[Anonymous No.8474345]

>>8474332
What are you fucking talking about

Having an author repeatedly use a very limited vocabulary doesn't make them "readable" it makes their writing very offputting

[Anonymous No.8474347]

>>8474342
>Who reads fantasy for the prose though?
People on good reads probably. Or at least they claim to.

[Anonymous No.8474366]

>>8474345
His vocabulary is fine. He just doesn't bother thinking up 100 different ways to describe the same simple action. I find it more distracting when an author has to contrive some "creative" way to describe somebody walking across a room. He reuses a lot of words but its for things there's little point in being original about.

[Anonymous No.8474376]

>>8474366
*tugs braid*

[Anonymous No.8474534]

>>8474175
"Sanderson is anime" isn't even really a put-down, it's just a description. If you actually like shonen manga, you'll probably like Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.8474579]

>>8474345
The use of a sesquipedalian loquaciousness does not in itself improve the plot and indeed it may result in needlessly abstruse and stilted writing as well as the abject ruination of the reader's joie de vivre. The perusal of a thesaurus and its incorporation into the vocabulary constitutes no grand or obscure skill save the pedantic air of pretentiousness which may be exploited to indicate a poster's logical fallacy in a lofty manner or to consign a thread to the inimical fiery depths of shitposting perdition.

It would also be remiss to overlook books written in common vernacular, which in itself may maintain a distinct authorial voice and lend gravity to the wordbuilding. Furthermore, ubiquity of the formal register may devalue the characterisation of individuals if their every conveyance and rumination is composed in precisely the same manner.

My penultimate argument: prose is merely a conveyance and a vehicle. It is but one component of an aesthete's enjoyment. A flourish, but not substance. The plot, I cherish more. Sanderson possesses this facet in copious quantities and although his work may suffer shortcomings, correction of plot bereft of prose is a minimal endeavour when starkly juxtaposed against the effort required to repair a prose bereft of plot.

Indisputably, a piece which lacks needless descriptors possesses more impetus and more events than a work of equivalent wordcount which includes said descriptors. Excessive verbosity forgoes clarity and reader appreciation - a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Indeed, the reader may be left wanting by the conclusion.

[Anonymous No.8474589]

>>8474579
*skirts parted for riding*

[Anonymous No.8474598]

>>8474579
I thought you were serious for a moment...

[Anonymous No.8474607]

>>8474589
Certain immutable laws of the extant universe are best left unquestioned.

[CS !ONk14TfQNk No.8474629]

>>8474579
Throw in a few adverbs and semi colons, and you are Lovecraft at his worst.

My two bits regarding fantasy and prose: Lord Dunsany used the King James vernacular in a rollicking way in The Gods Of Pergana. He is somebody I would read for prose and not plot.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8474702]

>>8474579

“He took about forty pounds,” the old man said aloud. He took my harpoon too and all the rope, he thought, and now my fish bleeds again and there will be others. He did not like to look at the fish anymore since he had been mutilated. When the fish had been hit it was as though he himself were hit. But I killed the shark that hit my fish, he thought. And he was the biggest dentuso that I have ever seen. And God knows that I have seen big ones. It was too good to last, he thought. I wish it had been a dream now and that I had never hooked the fish and was alone in bed on the newspapers.

“But man is not made for defeat,” he said. “A man can be destroyed but not defeated.” I am sorry that I killed the fish though, he thought. Now the bad time is coming and I do not even have the harpoon. The dentuso is cruel and able and strong and intelligent. But I was more intelligent than he was. Perhaps not, he thought. Perhaps I was only better armed.

>"The Old Man and the Sea"
>Ernest Hemingway

On the third day of the fair Cugel had disposed of only four periapts, at prices barely
above the cost of the lead itself, while Fianosther was hard put to serve all his customers.

Hoarse from bawling futile inducements, Cugel closed down his booth and approached
Fianosther's place of trade in order to inspect the mode of construction and the fastenings
at the door.

Fianosther, observing, beckoned him to approach. "Enter, my friend, enter. How
goes your trade?"
"In all candor, not too well," said Cugel. "I am both perplexed and disappointed, for
my talismans are not obviously useless."
"I can resolve your perplexity," said Fianosther. "Your booth occupies the site of the
old gibbet, and has absorbed unlucky essences. But I thought to notice you examining the manner in which the timbers of my booth are joined. You will obtain a better view from within, but first I must shorten the chain of the 'captive erb which roams the premises during the night."

"No need," said Cugel. "My interest was cursory."

>"The Eyes of the Overworld"
>Jack Vance

There's room in good writing for both simplicity and eloquence, no matter the subject.

[Anonymous No.8474718]

>>8474342
People who read Tolkien?

[Anonymous No.8474728]

>>8474702
>There's room in good writing for both simplicity and eloquence, no matter the subject.
And the point of the conversation is that Jordan has neither

[Anonymous No.8474749]

>>8474702
Hemmingway and Zelazny have relatively simple and concise prose but the important distinction between their authorship and Sanderson's is that the simple words are chosen for complex effect.

Vance has more eloquent prose but somehow his dense choice of words somehow doesn't inhibit how you read his work.

>"No need," said Cugel. "My interest was cursory."

Vance writes with a kind of innate rhythm, it makes it easy to read and interpret.

>"Biochemistry is a tradeoff. The faster you synthesize ATP, the more expensive each molecule becomes. It turns out scramblers are a lot more energy-efficient at making it than we are. They're just extremely slow at it, which might not be a big drawback for something that spends most of its time inactive. Rorschach—whatever Rorschach started out as— could have drifted for millennia before it washed up here. That's a lot of time to build up an energy reserve for bouts of high activity, and once you've laid the groundwork glycolysis is explosive. Two-thousand-fold boost, and no oxygen demand."

Prose like this just sounds awkward. Watts has no talent for prose, he simply loads on jargon as an artist lays on colour to hide their shoddy linework.

>Shallan glanced up over the top of her book. The volume was one of Jasnah’s earliest published works as a full scholar. Jasnah had not assigned Shallan to read it. Indeed, she’d been hesitant when Shallan had asked for a copy, and had needed to dig it out of one of the numerous trunks full of books she kept in the ship’s hold.
Sanderson's prose is awkward but he makes no effort to actually disguise his fact. However, a resorted or reordered sentence structure isn't beyond possibility and he is not ideas.

[Anonymous No.8474765]

>you'll never see Attanasio excerpts posted
It can be some wild shit I tell you hwat

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8474820]

>>8474749

>Vance writes with a kind of innate rhythm, it makes it easy to read and interpret.

Yes, I admire how he gave his prose redundancy without verbosity, a failsafe in case the reader didn't know the word. The meaning can still be grasped by context. I surely wish I could successfully imitate it.

>>8474765

Post something, then.

[Anonymous No.8475032]

I remember really enjoying Ender's Game in high school. Is the rest of the series worth reading?

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8475050]

>>8475032

I read "Speaker for the Dead" after "Ender's Game". I found it a bit of a slog as it focuses on Ender's feelings of guilt after the war. There isn't much action.

I understood the other Ender books were the same story told from a different character's perspective so I didn't bother reading them.

[Anonymous No.8475165]

>>8475032
i only read the first one but apparently the rest are garbage. bit of a one hit wonder.

[Anonymous No.8475188]

>>8475032
I've seen this posted here before but I completely agree, Card managing to write an actual good book was a complete stroke of luck he has yet to replicate. The gods must have smiled on him that fateful day he took Ender's Game to the publisher.

Realistically none of his other books manage to capture the military and officer leadership aspects of EG, which is where the novel truly shines.

[Anonymous No.8475298]

Has anyone here read Chamiel? How is it?

[Anonymous No.8475308]

>>8475032
Speaker for the Dead is a very different book but IMO worthwhile reading. The rest of the series after that isn't though.

[Anonymous No.8475421]

>Ctrl+F
>no Egan
>no Erikson
>no Vinge

REEEEEE

[Anonymous No.8475429]

>ctrl+f
>vance
My fampais have good taste.

[Anonymous No.8475468]

>>8475032
I remember reading the first one in the fourth grade and absolutely hating the main protagonist. I wonder if other people walked away with the same impression the first time they read it.

[Anonymous No.8475596]

Finally finished the book series, now awaiting the inevitable news of the GRRM's premature death

[Anonymous No.8475609]

>>8475596
GRRM dying is probably the only way you'll get a conclusion like what happened with Robert Jordan

[Anonymous No.8475675]

>>8475609
He already said he has standing orders(probably in his will, to be enforced by his lawyer) that if he dies and the series isn't completed, no one will complete it. You will have to settle with the show ending.

[Anonymous No.8475699]

>>8475675
nah just have to wait 70 years for it to go into public domain

[Anonymous No.8475706]

>>8472214
I just read enders game is it an allegory for niggers ruining the world?

[Anonymous No.8475707]

>>8472492
I don't even want "a story", I want a world to dive into. I like the fact that you can make a CK2 mod out of the series and not have to make very much up to fill in the gaps.

[Anonymous No.8475708]

Just started a reread going up to this, am on TTT at the moment.

How full retard does it get?

[Anonymous No.8475715]

>>8473340
Do people still cosplay as book characters? Not characters from adaptions from books like ASoIaF or Harry Potter, but costumes made straight from books?

[Anonymous No.8475716]

>>8475699
That's less time than it took him to release Feast For Crows

[Anonymous No.8475735]

>>8475715
Yes, though it's rare and usually bad.

People did ASOIAF book cosplay before the show came out, but that mostly if not completely died out in favor of show cosplay. I've seen pictures of shitty Mistborn cosplay, though I've never seen one in person. I saw a phenomenal Sabriel a few years ago. I see Percy Jackson cosplayers at every convention, probably because the shirts are easy.

[Anonymous No.8475746]

>>8475706
3...2...1

[Anonymous No.8475747]

>>8475735
>shitty Mistborn cosplay
Ha ha ha! You weren't kidding.

[Anonymous No.8475752]

>>8475735
>I saw a phenomenal Sabriel a few years ago.
this reminded me there's a new old kingdom novel coming out this year

hype as fuck

[Anonymous No.8475756]

>Vin
>Wearing shoes

You had one job.

[Anonymous No.8475765]

>>8475756
>foot fag
We need to eradicate you guys as soon as possible....

[Anonymous No.8475777]

>>8475747
This actually isn't bad. Most of the worst involves badly made mistcloaks and faux parkour.

>>8475756
To be fair, you have to wear shoes in most conventions. But it is really easy to fake being barefoot with clear shoe inserts, or to wear sandals and take them off for photos.

[Anonymous No.8476003]

>>8475468
Main character (Ender) literally genocides an alien race and is then surprised and remorseful over intentionally genociding an alien race, despite his orders being to destroy their fleet in orbit

Authors a retard for going full hippie shit and not following what made him successful


A better Ender's Game would be Red Rising, it's sequel Golden Son feels most like Ender's Game 2 than anything

[Anonymous No.8476009]

>>8476003
Red Rising is the Eragon of science fiction.

[Anonymous No.8476036]

>>8476009
accurate

[Anonymous No.8476158]

>>8476009
You misspelled Mistborn and Botns anon


99% of everything on here is absolute Gary stu garbage, RR is the only quality, non asperger stricken work on here

[Anonymous No.8476180]

>>8475032
Speaker for the Dead is awesome. The rest are meh.

[Anonymous No.8476194]

Anyone know any good sci fi / horror books? I'd really like to read some stuff like the movie Alien or the game Dead Space. Don't need big fleets battles, hard science, or military type shit. Just something creepy in space or in some high tech futuristic setting.

[Anonymous No.8476229]

>>8476194
Blindsight

[Anonymous No.8476263]

>>8476194
Metro 2033

[Anonymous No.8476281]

>>8476158
How is Red Rising not Gary Stu garbage? Sure seemed like that for me.
>quality
Hah.

[Anonymous No.8476291]

>>8474157
allow me to make it even worse

has anyone here read this? i know it's a mindless porwer fantasy for teenagers about uninteresting aliens getting their butts kicked but i really enjoyed it, partly because i loved the game as a kid.

i recommend it as a fun and quick read. the style is very good all things considered, and there are some interesting scifi and drama elements here and there. also some of the characters have a reasonable amount of depth

[Anonymous No.8476300]

>>8476291
Yes. You made a fair description of it.

I never played the game.

[Anonymous No.8476310]

>>8476300
i forgot to ask if anyone had similar recommendations

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8476321]

>>8476291

Am I the only one who found Halo to be a better story and setting than "Ringworld"?

[Anonymous No.8476336]

>>8476321
Furfaggotry wasn't implied by the setting, and didn't take over until the later books.

>>8476310
Have you read any other military SF? Starship Troopers? The Lost Fleet series?

[Anonymous No.8476435]

>>8472214
>no watership down

can we get some good fantasy adventures in here?

[Anonymous No.8476551]

>>8476291

The First few Halo Books are alright if you liked the games. Dont expect anything amazing and avoid 'The Flood' since its a shitty novelisation of the first game. From memory i liked Ghosts of Onyx and First strike (which takes place between the first and second game). They are okay if you just want a quick read and learn more about Halo's back story

[Anonymous No.8476784]

>>8476194
The strain by del toro, hull zero three, metro 2033

[Anonymous No.8476817]

>try to read the blurb of a fantasy novel
>The entire thing is a confusing mess because its mostly the lore of the novel
>end up not knowing if its worth getting or not

Does anyone have this problem or am i retarded?

[Anonymous No.8476847]

>>8476817
How often does that happen...? Maybe don't pick out bad books.

[Anonymous No.8476874]

How much fantasy is there that's influenced by Middle-Eastern/Arabic/Persian culture? I've read Throne of the Crescent Moon, which kind of sucked, but I like the idea of stories set in not-Arabia instead of not-Europe.

[Anonymous No.8476897]

My fellow Bakkernigs, please help me out here. Great Ordeal question:

How did that one assassin fuck up killing Kellhus? Wasn't he supposed to be able to tell the future?

[Anonymous No.8476962]

>>8476281
your opinion doesn't matter cause you prob read the absolute garbage that garbage writers without a lick of skill pump out for mental midgets, ala (you)

[Anonymous No.8476969]

>>8476874
There's a fair bit out there but most isn't the popular stuff

Killing Moon's the first one I can think of, shadow campaigns is notbritain in notarabia but setting is one of the weakest aspects

Google/goodreads/reddit fantasy will be the quickest way to get a list of potential books, find one that interests you and ask here if it's shit

[Anonymous No.8476988]

>>8473863
That's all absolutely true, but you know what? I liked it anyway. That never bothered me in a story.

Besides, I know you all think worldbuilding is for fags... but if you are in to that sort of thing, the level of detail in the various countries and factions in WoT is the best in fantasy. Yes, including Tolkein.

[Anonymous No.8476995]

>>8474175
Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks. I recommend it. You can really tell it's a YA author who decided to venture in to adult novels and is getting used to it, but that doesn't ruin it at all. It really reads like Sanderson if he improved his prose a little bit and took some constructive criticism from /lit/. I was impressed.

>inb4 Weeks is shit because Night Angel is shit

Night Angel was YA. It was never meant to be anything else. Its purpose is to sell to teenagers, and it does that well.

[Anonymous No.8477007]

>>8474332
I agree. Other than his descriptions of body language (that one character whose name I can't spell who tugged her braid excessively in every conversation, for instance), his prose was quite good. It's laid back, almost to the point of being lazy, but I enjoyed that.

[Anonymous No.8477021]

>>8474579
Oh god, my sides.

And I agree. I have argued that many times against the anti-WoT crowd--prose is just a vehicle for a good fantasy story.

Bad prose certainly does detract from a story, but the prose isn't what you read it for. It doesn't have to be a work of art on its own. That's why I can't stand LeGuin.

[Anonymous No.8477026]

>>8474342
I don't, at all. I agree with you, and I enjoy WoT very much.

But, just to play the devil's advocate, I do feel obligated to bring up Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.8477030]

>>8476995
>Night Angel was YA. It was never meant to be anything else. Its purpose is to sell to teenagers, and it does that well.
YA and books aimed at teenagers can still be good, not everyone immediately goes to MAXIMUM EDGE when writing for that demographic.

[Anonymous No.8477036]

>>8477030
Like?

[Anonymous No.8477042]

>>8477030
That's true, but I don't hold it against an author who does that. I'm just saying not to judge Weeks entirely by Night Angel.

I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly didn't give a shit about Night Angel, and was just doing it for the money.

[Anonymous No.8477065]

>>8476988
Don't get me wrong, I love Wheel of Time and I've reread the entire thing twice since the final book came out. It's like comfort food to me. But I can still spot where Jordan made some mistakes.

[Anonymous No.8477073]

I'm actually running out of fantasy that I don't hate (and that I can find the audiobooks for). Just finished Bakker. What good fantasy have you all read lately?

[Anonymous No.8477079]

>>8477065
the entire book was a mistake, to show anyone excerpts from the book would make me permanently embarrassed and probably shunned


>the more tryhard the worldbuilding, the more only autists will like it

[Anonymous No.8477094]

>>8477079
Wheel of Time is 14 books, are you seriously trashing a series you know nothing about?

[Anonymous No.8477098]

>>8477065
Oh, me too. It's pretty much perfect for my tastes in fantasy--slow paced, long winded, but with an insane amount of detail. I've been disappointed with most other things I've read, for some reason or another (mostly lack of detail) ever since. But he did make mistakes.

There's just something about his prose that slips up when it comes to body language--I have no idea why. Other than that it's very good. Also, he let the horny neckbeard show through a little too much. I don't even have an issue with Rand's three wives--he was one of the most powerful people in the WoT world when that all happened, it's perfectly believeable that he has a little harem--but the Aes Sedai being half lesbians was a little too much.

[Anonymous No.8477106]

>>8477079
Like it or not, worldbuilding is an aspect of SFF that many readers appreciate. Go back to your damn philosophy threads if you're just going to shit on anyone who cares about worldbuilding. There's more to fantasy than allegory and philosophy, we actually care about the background and the story here.

[Anonymous No.8477119]

>>8477036
Sabriel, Tiffany Aching trilogy, The Graveyard Book, maybe Railsea - varied quality, but all miles above the guy who said "so, my protagonist's a killer... let's call him Kylar!"

[Anonymous No.8477131]

So, I'm about to read the Illuminatus! trilogy. From what I hear, it should be quite a ride. Fnord.

[Anonymous No.8477135]

Ok what about a species/race/faction that motivates their armies through the assertion when they conquer the galaxy they will find a way to go back in time and at the last minute before death transfer their soldiers conciousnesses into the present (their future) where they are met with eternal glory and pleasure

???

[Anonymous No.8477147]

>>8476263
>>8476784
JUST DONT READ 2034

[Anonymous No.8477153]

>>8477119
>Prachett
>Gaiman
Uhhh... I'll give you the other two, but I'm still not convinced because those titles get mentioned fairly often and are not really a common occurrences in YA. Can you say more than one good YA book has come out this, last or the year before?

[Anonymous No.8477182]

Why don't people here talk about the works of catherynne valente?

She is incredible! I just picked up a book of her short stories and I've loved every one of them

[Anonymous No.8477183]

>>8477147
Why? Is it Russia wank?

[Anonymous No.8477184]

>>8474157
>>8476291
Which is the only thing that whiny shits like you are capable of.

Considering you don't even read.

[Anonymous No.8477205]

>>8477153
Probably, I don't really follow the field beyond authors I've liked elsewhere (hence Pterry and Neil) but there's at least *some* creative stuff among all the Hunger Games/Twilight clones. Patrick Ness has this series about a town where everyone can hear each other's thoughts that looks neat.

[Anonymous No.8477233]

>>8477147
Wasn't planning to

[Anonymous No.8477236]

>>8476874
Warded man sequels....

Never go to the sandbox they rape their male friends to celebrate a victory...

[Anonymous No.8477248]

>>8476995
I know nothing about this author, but I'll never be able to take him seriously after seeing some other anon abbreviate his name as "breeks"

[Anonymous No.8477249]

>>8477205
>Patrick Ness
I was not expecting these feels

[Anonymous No.8477252]

>>8477249
>From an original idea by

lmfao what the fuck is that shit

[Anonymous No.8477259]

>>8477252
She died before she could write it iirc

[Anonymous No.8477265]

>>8476874
>>8477236
This and the sequel to Howl's Moving Castle

[Anonymous No.8477271]

>>8477248

[Anonymous No.8477272]

>>8476995
>Night Angel was YA

The fuck you on? Do you know what YA means?
Night Angel is the second most gri book recommended in these threads (second to bakker) GURM doesn't even come close to the sexual brutality that is in night angel.

You think parents would buy that shit for their kids? Does this look like a twilight /Percy Jackson book to you?

[Anonymous No.8477287]

>>8477271
>bakker does the same shit with his cover
>let's ignore that completely

[Anonymous No.8477298]

>>8477272
GRI for GRI's sake is pretty juvenile, and 14-16 year olds can typically buy their own books

[Anonymous No.8477299]

>>8477073
>somebody will actually read these instead of memeing

[Anonymous No.8477313]

>>8477248
That anon admitted that he has autism, and can't remember the full name, so he uses breeks to help him.

[Anonymous No.8477325]

>>8477205
>Patrick Ness has this series about a town where everyone can hear each other's thoughts that looks neat.
Chaos Walking is really about how fucked up the Ness can make the Mayor and protag.

[Anonymous No.8477329]

>>8477298
this. I don't care if the topics are YA appropriate, it has the simple prose and the edginess for its own sake, it's fucking YA.

>GRI for GRI's sake is pretty juvenile
So much fucking this. I know a lot of litfags enjoy gri heavy books because they feel they differentiate them from the normies, but it turns very cringeworthy if it doesn't add to the story.

[Anonymous No.8477341]

>>8477299
I hate chartfags that don't put any categories or description in their charts. How's this supposed to help me? How does a list of pictures help anyone choose a book? One anon thinks they're all worth reading? So what?

Flowcharts are better. Want dark and dismal? Read Abercrombie. Fancy prose? Wolfe and LeGuin. Worldbuilding? Jordan and Bakker. Magic systems and young protagonists? Sanderson and Weeks. Shit like that. Not just all in a fucking pile with no description. at all.

[Anonymous No.8477345]

I had inspiration for a long moment, /sffg/. I had read the words of a genius who did my own unique idea better than I ever could and I was still full of ideas. I was full of passion...

and then I came home to find the west indian pride parade engulfing my house in loud shitty music and smoke...

I had it...

[Anonymous No.8477356]

>>8477345
hahaha well shit. Write about the futility and mistakes of occupy/protester culture?

[Anonymous No.8477364]

>>8477345
As gay hating /pol/bait goes I have to almost admire your unoriginality

[Anonymous No.8477385]

>>8473799
That's not bad at all for a first attempt. Keep it up, bro.

[Anonymous No.8477391]

>>8477364
>gay hating /pol/bait

what? I despise /pol/, I have a tumblr for fuck's sake! I just hate parades, and this one has been going on for almost 7 hours right outside my apartament.

Two people have already been fucking killed! and my mom was nearly stampeded on her way home!

[Anonymous No.8477447]

>>8476817
I have exactly this problem, half of the time I don't even make it past the bad cover art.

Then I realized I've done something similar on the blurb in the book I've published.

[Anonymous No.8477456]

>>8472214
What's the best way to go about reading Conan? I see lots of different collections of the material.

[Anonymous No.8477469]

>>8476291
>>8476310
Check out the Forerunner Saga by Greg Bear. It's some good, solid sci-fi with only fleeting connections to the main Halo games.

[Anonymous No.8477472]

>>8477456
Any order is fine. Maybe Google to see which stories are considered the best and start with one of those. But Howard said that he intended the stories to feel like they were being recounted in the order Conan himself happened to remember and share them.

[Anonymous No.8477477]

>>8477472
Thanks, but I was referring to which actual, physical collections were considered the best. I've seen quite a few ranging from huge, leather books to small, dainty paperbacks.

[Anonymous No.8477732]

>>8477341
Doesn't help that there's some awful shit on that chart

Like nobody here would actually recommend Broken Empire or Painted Man

[Anonymous No.8477763]

>>8477732
See? I've never read them, so I wouldn't know. I'm not just going to try a book because it's included in a chart under "Fantasy".

I'm not terribly well read, but shit like this makes me want to make my own fantasy chart.

[Anonymous No.8477769]

I started reading Asimov's Robot series and am about halfwayay through The Robots of Dawn. Is the Foundation series also good? From the synopsis, it sounds really dry.

[Anonymous No.8477775]

>>8477769
It's good but dry is apt

[Anonymous No.8477789]

>>8477769
It's Asimov, dry comes with the territory.

[Anonymous No.8477804]

>>8477252
>>8477259 is right. She died before she could write it and Ness wrote it as a memorial type thing.

[Anonymous No.8477813]

>>8477763
>shit like this makes me want to make my own fantasy chart.
Please do, we could use some more options

[Anonymous No.8477831]

>>8477789
I meant the story. The Robot books are locked room murder mysteries starting a hard-boiled detective (an "al dente boiled" detective at worst) while Foundation seems to be about math.

[Anonymous No.8477878]

>>8477813
All right, but all the fags who shit on anything that isn't full of philosophy, and anyone that cares about worldbuilding, will be very disappointed and angry at my chart.

And like I said, I'm not terribly well read. Most of what I could put in a chart is already common knowledge here.

[Anonymous No.8477881]

>>8477184
>>8476291
>>8474157
Pretty much all the sffgs are terrible. Instead of bitching about it, do something useful.

[Anonymous No.8477907]

>>8476988
>worldbuilding is for fags

Said by who?

[Anonymous No.8477940]

>>8477907
The entire thread, in several different SFFGs where I mentioned that I like WoT and why.

This thread has been pretty good so far, but many of them are taken over by people who only like fantasy along the lines of Wolfe with flowery prose and lots of philosophical rambling.

[Anonymous No.8477941]

>>8477098
Don't spoil entire series here please.

[Anonymous No.8477956]

>>8477940
I only read fantasy for a well done world building in conjunction with a good story. One of the few reasons I absolutley hated bakker. That and his prose.

[Anonymous No.8477963]

>>8477940
Wheel of Time has shite worldbuilding though

It's not a remotely believable location

[Anonymous No.8477973]

>>8477963
>fantasy
>believable

You're not believable either.

[Anonymous No.8477976]

>>8477963
Why do you say that?

[Anonymous No.8477981]

>>8477973
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/suspension-of-disbelief

>>8477976
The way it's all one big blob of land, the cities being very themeparky and the characters having very easy access to everyone important.

I just never really found myself accepting that the world would exist or function without the main characters being in it.

I wouldn't even say this is a problem for most fantasy but once you make an epic length series with a lot of focus on rule and rulers I have to believe in your kingdoms.

[Anonymous No.8477993]

>>8477981
The geography of wot is awful

You have the english village south of the marsh and just over the mountains from the dessert

[Anonymous No.8478000]

>>8477981
I never really noticed that as a problem while I was reading it. The big blob of land at least makes sense--most stories set in an era before modern transportation pretty much have to take place all on one continent. And it's been a couple of years since I read it, so I can't give details, but the other things never seemed like problems to me.

What I did notice and appreciate the most was all of the different cultures and the amount of detail that had been put in to their customs and relationships with each other. The way the cultures, countries, and factions all interacted was pretty impressive

[Anonymous No.8478124]

>>8477329
>but it turns very cringeworthy if it doesn't add to the story.
So I guess the horny faggot can't just bugger little boys for buggering sake, it has to add to the story.

Just like in life everything happens for a reason, the story also must imitate this and tie everything up in a neat bow.

So in real life when a boy is buggered, or a girl is raped, it helps the world to keep on track and revolve. Thus helping us maintain and ensuring a consistent history.

[Anonymous No.8478151]

>>8478124
More like, the writer shouldn't write a scene where a horny faggot buggers little boys for buggering sake, it has to add to the story. The story being a finite form with some sort of theme that every element contributes to - most real people's lives wouldn't make a good story, they just sort of ramble on with various unconnected events happening.

[Anonymous No.8478160]

>>8477763
>See? I've never read them, so I wouldn't know.
>takes one disgruntled anon word out of 60+ posters as law
Just do us a favour and kys. You want us to hand feed you books?

When you go to the book store how do you buy books? The cover catches your eye and you read the blurb. Well us "chartfags" have made it easy, we have a fantasy chart and a sci-fi chart.

You know you want fantasy? Look in the fantasy charts.
Something looks interesting? Go and google and read the fucking blurb on Wikipedia.

We are not reddit, we are not here to go out of our way to help your pretentious entitled ass.
Use the charts (be it chartfags' or the OPs) or not it doesn't matter to us either way.

Want a flowchart? Put in the fucking work and make one yourself, if it isn't shit, we can add it to the OP. Otherwise fuck off.

[Anonymous No.8478164]

>it's a chartautist gets mad when people point out how shit his chart is episode

[Anonymous No.8478185]

>>8477941
>thinking people will actually read wheel of time_wasting

[Anonymous No.8478194]

>>8475032
Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide are worth reading IMO. Children of the Mind is really fucking weird and not in a good way.

[Anonymous No.8478205]

>>8478151
Again
>everything ties up i to a neat bow in real life

People edit their shit to seem more lustrous after the fact. History is written by the victors. They make it sound like everything was interconnected, when it was not.

If you can't put some slum slice of life in your book I don't know what you can put.

I hope you know at this EXACT moment somewhere in the world, some boy is being buggered in a slum, by a horny faggot.

[Anonymous No.8478208]

>>8474342
people read bakker for the fauxlosophy and the rapefests

[Anonymous No.8478212]

>>8478164
>his
I'm not baitchartfag
That anon was shitting on all the charts in the general that were not flowcharts genius
>what is reading comprehension
What are you even doing in here if you can't read.... wtf

[Anonymous No.8478222]

>>8475032
i was going to try writing out several flaws in the series (including EG itself), but it was too long and negative so i'll save you the effort: NO

[Anonymous No.8478228]

>>8475421
rereading MBotF now for the 3rd time. it's been VERY hard to even get excited about another fantasy series ever since reading Erikson. i've given Esslemont's stuff a try, but he's a terrible writer

[Anonymous No.8478233]

>>8475708
well suffice it to say that the salvation of earwa somehow lies through proyas' butthole, so i'll let you be the judge of how retarded it gets

[Anonymous No.8478253]

anyone read Chalker? my father gave me his copies of the changewinds omnibus and demons at rainbow bridge when i was in high school and i loved them. i've since finished the Quintara Marathon and G.O.D. Inc series. currently working on the Wonderland Gambit series. i know he's not as amazing as some of the greats but i really like his stuff.

[Anonymous No.8478267]

I don't care what Breeze says. Soothing is really creepy and immoral.

[Anonymous No.8478398]

>>8472214
Is this book any good/worth reading?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24876258-the-aeronaut-s-windlass

[Anonymous No.8478408]

>>8478398
>Humanity’s ancient enemy, silent for more than ten thousand years, has begun to stir once more
Airships and smuggling had such promise too.

[Anonymous No.8478512]

>>8478398
Not really, unless you like cats. If you're a cat person, then this book is for you.

[Anonymous No.8478647]

>>8478408
>>8478512
>these fuckin reviews.
this is why /sffg/ is laughed at.

[Anonymous No.8478654]

>>8477329
>>8477298
>>8477272
what the fuck is gri?
>>8476995
>recommending night angel
that book was so fucking bad i went outside built a fire and burned it page by page. it took me a fucking hour but i couldnt go on living my life without thoroughly destroying that edgy heap of goat shit so no one else ever has to even consider reading it.

i actually went on to brent weeks's website to find out if he wrote the book ironically or something. want to know what i found? in the FAQ he was talking about himself and he said that he thought is greatest strength was writing characters. WRITING FUCKING CHARACTERS. what a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.8478679]

>>8478654
>what the fuck is gri?

[Anonymous No.8478688]

>>8478647
>eastwood gif.gif
this is why you're laughed at

[Anonymous No.8478706]

Have there been any interpretations, discussions or ideas that made you interested in SFF book/series you once dismissed?

Seeing as OP's pic is related, I remember watching a youtube video from some guy saying ASOIAF incorporates a belief of GRRM that combats the violent 'might-is-right' philosophy of Heinlein's Starship Troopers, which was apparently a very influence book on him. Now I've read ASOIAF and it's not exactly in my top spot of favoured books, but I would like to re-read them to see if such a thing is actually done in the text.

[Anonymous No.8478716]

>humans within the age range of adolescence years have the ability to become immaterial and pass through objects
>they are used indiscriminately for various purposes including security, assassins, target practice, espionage, secret warfare
>all people grow up to become psychopathic assholes, paranoid fuckups, cold and distant robots
>only ones who don't are actually born and raised to fill various roles in the society and kept away from the "public"
>the world is very beautiful because of this. Things are made to be beautiful and large instead of sturdy or brute because arguably the most important people can pass through everything unhindered
>no such things are blocky fortresses and huge walls and shit. Everything is vast and spacious
>security is based on clever use of angles and optical illusions so that instead of the real world where an assassin would have to get past walls and guards, an assassin would have to solve various mental games and puzzles and it becomes a searching game through vast palaces and labyrinthine corridors.

Do you guys like my setting? I have quite a good story in it, I'm some 30k words done already.
I'm really feeling it.

[Anonymous No.8478717]

>>8478688
b8/10. made me reply.

[Anonymous No.8478726]

>>8478706
/sffg/ always makes GRRM sound better than it is. Unfortunate, ASOIAF is a piece of fucking shit writing.
>>8478716
>security is based on clever use of angles and optical illusions
Regardless of whether or not there are angles and optical illusions what's stopping them from passing through an illusion or angles?

What happens when a person phases into the earth?

What happens when a person shoves their fist into someone else and materialise it?

What happens when they try and phase out of the atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.8478730]

>>8478706
The theological aspects of the Book of the New Sun discussed in so many of its reviews made me read it again. Worth it.

[Anonymous No.8478787]

>>8478726
>Regardless of whether or not there are angles and optical illusions what's stopping them from passing through an illusion or angles?
Falling into a trap which will render them incapacitated until they age enough for their bodies to turn material by themselves and die
It would be an awfully long way to die
>What happens when a person phases into the earth?
Impossible due to the metaphysics of the world. Everything is bound to the earth for all eternity. They can phase through earth, rock, stone, but they can't actually fall through because if the forces that keep everything in check.
>What happens when a person shoves their fist into someone else and materialise it?
The same thing that happens when they materialise through anything. The respective body part is replaced with the thing that would have been there. It's one of the very few things that can actually physically harm these people.
There's special techniques and gear to battle with and against them and many of these children and teens are trained to become master duelists.
But phasing in and out of material form is still dangerous. What if a fly just happens to be where part of your brain is, then you materialise and due if brain injury?
There's weaknesses too.
>What happens when they try and phase out of the atmosphere?
It's passing through objects as if they were never there, not flying. What exactly do you mean phase out of the atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.8478817]

>>8478160
Actually, I read entire reviews when I'm going to read books, and I write pretty long reviews of the books I've read on request.

[Anonymous No.8478829]

>>8478124
For an example of how it adds to the story, look at Bakker. He gives an account of a prostitute's life, sparing no details, to show how those events shape her for how she handles situations later. He gives one of the best portrayals of war I've ever seen--not pushing the message that it's either glorious or inherently bad. He shows the goals that can be achieved, and the rape and other atrocities that are committed, side by side. That kind of thing adds to the story.

>>8478151
Pretty much what he said.

[Anonymous No.8478830]

>>8478654
I wasn't recommending night angel you fucking ape. I was recommending Lightbringer, and telling people not to be discouraged by Night Angel.

[Anonymous No.8478863]

>>8478398
I liked it. I would admit that, like seemingly everything else these days, it is written with the book buying power of teenage girls in mind.

[Anonymous No.8478921]

>>8478647
My review is on goodreads already, you think I'm typing 500+ words back to make your ass comfortable?

You fucks don't read when people type lengthy posts, now you getting vex when we type single sentences.

Unless you're the anon who wants people to describe books so he can pass off other people's ideas as his own..

Go on goodreads and read reviews if you want lengthy descriptions.

[Anonymous No.8478926]

>>8473256
Just read the first two books and make up whatever you want in your head.

That series becomes so much of a mess starting with the third...it's not worth it friend.

[Anonymous No.8478988]

>>8478787
Very cool worldbuilding anon.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8479078]

>>8478679

I too would like to know.

[Anonymous No.8479082]

>>8479078
GRI = Gay Rape Incest
I, of course, prefer the gay part being infamous fujoshi.

[Anonymous No.8479164]

>>8473305
Clarges is also one of my favourites. It's surprising since I don't hear it talked about often with regard to Vance. And it makes me warm inside to see so much discussion about him in this thread. I managed to get the Dying Earth PBO a couple of months ago and I'm very happy about that.

[Anonymous No.8479194]

>The words caught in her throat as Shallan followed his gaze downwards. All at once the wit drained out of her as she realized the tip of her safehand was exposed beyond the retracted hem of her sleeve. Had Kaladin seen it? Storms! She wasn't fit for marriage anymore. "P-pervert!" she sputtered as she reached out to slap him with her free hand. But Kaladin was too fast for her. The surgebinder drew in stormlight from the gems in his pouch and teleported behind her, leaving an after image.
>She whipped her head around. "Well? Are you going to take responsibility?" she demanded, her cheeks flushing a deep crimson.

seriously sanderson?
wat is with this anime shit

[Anonymous No.8479198]

>>8476897
Apparently the rival god intervened via Lil' Kel.

[Anonymous No.8479207]

>>8476874
God's War by Kameron Hurley
Chaz Brenchley's Outremer books
The Orphan's Tales books by Catherynne M. Valente possibly (haven't read them so not sure of the setting)

[Anonymous No.8479213]

>>8476321
Ringworld is utter shit. I know it did the big dumb space object thing first and kids who've never read it like to pretend they did so they can feel smug and superior when saying "Halo/Mass Effect ripped off Ringworld".

Rendezvous with Rama was much better at capturing curiosity and was more succinct.

And that whole genetic luck bullshit was annoying, like he was going for some Hitchhiker's Guide type humor but was actually dead serious about it, but not serious enough to get into the nitty details of science underneath.

[Anonymous No.8479215]

>>8477182
She's pretty obscure. Especially around where standard run-of-the-mill epic fantasy series are mostly discussed. This is me
>>8479207
Have not yet read her work.

[Anonymous No.8479329]

>>8477236
Hated them

>in a desert with no plants
>everyone uses disposable wood weapons every night

[Anonymous No.8479367]

>>8479213
I mean I just bought Ringworld on Amazon and I didn't think Rama was very good so I guess I fucked it.

[Anonymous No.8479370]

>>8479078
It's in the picture in one of the posts the idiot quoted. This just shows that lit doesn't actually read.>>8477272

[Anonymous No.8479373]

>>8479194
Looks like you're writing fanfiction now. At least you're not posting the same old quotes as the last few times. Maybe next time you'll nail it.

[Anonymous No.8479375]

>>8479164
>it makes me warm inside to see so much discussion about him in this thread

[Anonymous No.8479383]

>>8475708
I really didn't care for it which makes me angry since I loved the first 5 books.

I honestly couldn't understand what was happening in the last 50 pages.

[Anonymous No.8479384]

>>8479194
>nothing personnel lighteyes

[Anonymous No.8479389]

>>8479213
Why are you reposting what someone said like 12+ threads ago.....

Are you the anon who posts other people shit as his own?

[Anonymous No.8479398]

>>8479329
You don't put logic to religion anon. People do some incredibly wasteful and idiotic things in the namw of their religion. It doesn't make any sense to us, but to them It's the only logical way.

[Anonymous No.8479438]

Is Stephen Baxter's any good in itself?

I already read the other books of the Xeelee Sequence and I feel like it will be just filler. Ring gave all the answers about the Photino Birds and the Great Attractor, even about the neutrino star in Flux.

[Anonymous No.8479479]

>>8479389
>Why are you reposting what someone said like 12+ threads ago.....
autism

[Anonymous No.8479494]

>>8479375
>mfw this guy has a meltdown any time anyone dares to mention a book released before 2011

[Anonymous No.8479504]

>>8479494
That means I only read like 60 books at the most.

[Anonymous No.8479509]

>>8479504
Let's be honest. You've read way fewer than 60 books.

[Anonymous No.8479538]

>>8478253
I've read the Well World series. Liked it enough to pick up more Chalker for my backlog.

[Anonymous No.8479572]

>>8479509
Kek
Try more than 700, a lot of them are old too. It's just those books listed are complete shit. I don't hate old books, only those books you faggets made me read.

[Anonymous No.8479587]

>>8479375
>>8479504
>>8479572
Literally mentally ill. He can't let a single instance of someone liking what he doesn't like go un-shitposted.

[Anonymous No.8479614]

>>8472214
Apparently Amazon France has leaked a release date for TWOW

https://www.amazon.fr/Song-Ice-Fire-Winds-Winter/dp/000648610X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473180867&sr=8-1&keywords=the+winds+of+winter

[Anonymous No.8479622]

>>8479614
I wouldn't trust Amazon release dates with books like these. They have a tendency to make dates up.

[Anonymous No.8479632]

>>8479622
I was thinking the same, but here's hoping

[Anonymous No.8479885]

Metro 2035 English translation when?

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8480073]

>>8479164

>Dying Earth PBO

Pic related?

>Clarges is also one of my favourites. It's surprising since I don't hear it talked about often with regard to Vance.

I find it difficult to pin down what exactly makes "Clarges" stand out to me. Certainly the book is an entertaining critique of immortality without commensurate emigration. The world-building is thorough and compelling. However Vance's dialogue, while not as insipid as his earlier scifi, is also not his engaging best so the book is missing what is usually his defining attribute.

Which book (or series) is your favorite?

[Anonymous No.8480080]

>>8479504
>Dying Earth
>Long Price
>Elric
>LLL
>Gormenghast
>GoT
>Lotr

If it wasn't for Cole, Lawrence, Abercrombie and Canavan's one bad series this would be an excellent introduction to fantasy list

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8480114]

>>8479367

"Ringworld" is worth reading so you're fine. Niven writes women as playthings though and a main character is female so that aspect gets tiring fast. Otherwise the novel is an interesting look at the collapse of an industrial society. The immediate sequel is more of the same except Niven also wastes a ton of time correcting errors he made in the physics of the Ringworld.

[Anonymous No.8480142]

>>8480073
Yeap!

About series: I haven't read Cadwal or Durdane; Alastor is a series in name only; and I've only read the first Lyonesse (which was superb); so it'll have to be between Demon Princes and the Tschai books. While I kind of want to give it to Tschai, I feel Demon Princes edges it out with its amazing ending.

As to a book, the Cugel stories are my favourite, but otherwise, it'd have to be Showboat World ("The Magnificent Showboats of the Lower Vissel River, Lune XXIII, Big Planet"). Unsurprisingly, it has a rogueish protagonist.

[Anonymous No.8480188]

Who are your favourite short story writers in genre? I personally love Wolfe and LeGuin shorts, so anything along those lines would be great.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8480204]

>>8480142

That's a nice collectible to have; congratulations. I suppose that's the witch Javanne on the cover.

Oh nice, you've still got the Cadwal series to look forward to. He writes a female protagonist PoV in it and I daresay it's quite good. In fact, I can't think of another case where he used a split PoV.

>"The Magnificent Showboats of the Lower Vissel River, Lune XXIII, Big Planet"

Yeah, I'm going to have to side with the publisher on that book's title.

I read it but I think I disliked "Big Planet" so much that I was biased against "Showboat" as well. In any event, I remember very little of it. I should give it another try and try to do it justice.

[Anonymous No.8480236]

>>8480204
Thanks! I also have the Reader's VIE, and some Underwood-Miller and SubPress. The VIE is my pride and joy on the shelves.

I'm most of all looking forward to Cadwal and Night Lamp. I think I'm starting either when I've finished reading Solaris.

I found "Big Planet" to be passable, and thus a disappointment. Afterward, it was a great surprise how much I enjoyed "Showboat", since I thought it'd continue in the same vein. I thought it was quite different, more competent, and offered the rogue instead of the competent man as the lead, so it kind of hit my buttons.

[Anonymous No.8480302]

Jesus Christ I go on holiday for two weeks and my prose goes to shit, this is bad

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8480330]

>>8480236

>I also have the Reader's VIE

Now I'm impressed! How did you come by it?

[Anonymous No.8480339]

>>8480302
Dont worry, it probably wasnt good in the first place ;)

[Anonymous No.8480353]

>>8480302
dont worry your prose is always shit senpai

>>8479572
literally nobody likes you anon, because you're defined here by things you hate. it's whiny.

[Anonymous No.8480355]

Idea for a science fiction novella: An escape artist is hired by the mob to break into a notorious prison which is circling a black hole, making escape for them, virtually impossible, once inside he teams up with an incredibly dangerous inmate.

[Anonymous No.8480363]

>>8479213
Halo is an improvement on Ringworld. Ringworld was incredibly puerile and deserves a place on the shelf next to Herbert's son.

[Anonymous No.8480368]

>>8480355
Hollywood called, it wants its budget action scifi movie idea back

[Anonymous No.8480375]

This guy really likes his eyeball covers.

Anyway. What are you reading /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.8480379]

>>8480363
Yeah I'm biased because I loved all the games since 1, but I always thought Halo had a fairly strong premise. I mean it's cliche as hell but it does it well, and rides all the way to the bank with it. Same thing with the designs, it's classic imperial guard and shitty curvy alien shit but again it's done well. I hate to say this, but I think it may be one of the better if not best science fiction universes portrayed in modern gaming.

[Anonymous No.8480386]

>>8480375
Currently waiting on Blindsight to arrive. In the meantime I'm re-reading some Ballard. The Burning World deserves more credit than it gets I think, especially the ending few chapters.

[Anonymous No.8480391]

>>8480386
The Drought* The republished title confused me as I'm reading online.

[Anonymous No.8480396]

>>8480379
you're a simple minded idiot.

[Anonymous No.8480402]

>>8480391
The Burning World is the better title. It was probably retitled The Drought because its companion novels overshadowed it, and it needed to stand out.

[Anonymous No.8480403]

>>8480396
Maybe I am, but if we don't appreciate the boring and cliche stories, how are we meant to tell apart the truly golden ones?

[Anonymous No.8480405]

>>8480188
No takers? Ya'll a buncha size queens with your WoTs and your MBFs

[Anonymous No.8480410]

>>8480405
I'm not sure where I would read short stories, other than in compilation novels, and I don't often buy them. Should I be following magazines? Got any recommendations?

>>8480402
But then we can't complete the Ballard "The XXX World" series!

[Anonymous No.8480411]

>>8480405
STFU faggot

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8480441]

>>8480302

Paste something. Share your pain.

[Anonymous No.8480443]

>>8480375
Forgot image.

[Anonymous No.8480450]

>>8480410

Ive never bought magazines cause Im in europe and that means I have to pay through the nose for anything decent, I usually just end up buying short story collections.

[Anonymous No.8480455]

>>8480441
I warn you it's dreadful, I'm almost depressed re-reading it from earlier.

>A figure lying under a thick thermal rug jerked suddenly awake, turned over, and scratched their beard. Eyes rising, they followed the path of the beige lighter craft as it descended from the sky over the horizon, the E.R.C.O markings scarcely visible on its side. The rapid rise from stratospheric speeds to normal jet speeds had created the tonal explosion which awoke the man on the hillside. He pulled the blanket off himself, and stood.

Or, if you're feeling especially masochistic.

>Sleeping fully clothed, he proceeded to unfurl the long poncho-like coat he wore over his skinsuit until it touched the ground. The coat couldn’t help but rattle as he adjusted it, as it was ornamented with hundreds of tiny metal and plastic shapes. Mostly rectangular, the odd disk or large square broke up the design. From afar, it resembled some contemporary design or a camouflage of varying shades of black and grey. But drawing close, the minute mass of shapes reviled itself to be memory cards. Flash cards, memory sticks, information banks. All over the cloak, hundreds of the tiny little novels were fastened to the base material, with the odd larger disk or bulkier unit disguised among them. The overlapping plates almost resembled the steel chainmail worn by soldiers of ages past, or the carbonfibre variants still worn today.

Only part I'm happy with is the idea.

[Anonymous No.8480458]

>>8480455
Surely it would be "its beard", right? Or is he scratching someone else's beard? Also, since there's a beard imvolved, why not just say 'his'? Is this a female beard owner?

[Anonymous No.8480485]

>>8480458
>Dropped English at 15
>Have dreadful grammer

It begins.

I can totally understand if you don't feel like proofreading my arse writing so please move on if you want.

[Anonymous No.8480501]

>>8480353
>literally nobody likes you anon
My fellow dino anons love me, hell original dino adores me, because I made him famous.

[Anonymous No.8480507]

>>8480355
>what is the quantum thief

[Anonymous No.8480511]

>>8480501
>famous in a backwater of a backwater of a backwater

lmao faggot, literally nobody cares. you guys are like the total loser table of a high school cafeteria. even the nerdy preps have more currency than you.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.8480514]

>>8480405

I haven't read many short stories. However an anon suggested "Second Variety" by P.K. Dick the other day and I enjoyed it. Someone else suggested "Arena" by Frederic Brown and it was okay. I might as well shill a Jack Vance story as well: "The Moon Moth".

>>8480375

"The Boat of a Million Years" by Poul Anderson.

>>8480455

>The coat couldn’t help but rattle as he adjusted it, as it was ornamented with hundreds of tiny metal and plastic shapes.

>The cloak hung heavy, rattling as he adjusted the weight on his shoulders. From a distance, the material seemed to shift oddly, as if pixellated, breaking up the wearer's outline like digital camouflage. Drawing close, the shapes resolved into various small memory storage devices, dangling and clacking as he moved.

My 2¢.

>Only part I'm happy with is the idea.

That's the hard part.

[Anonymous No.8480524]

>>8480485
Im not a native english speaker, so I was really just actually asking if you really meant 'their'. I hear their is all the rage these days with the SJW-anti-gender-in-language people, so yeah. Also I think it should be revealed, not reviled, in that second paragraph.

[Anonymous No.8480542]

>>8480511
pat yourself on the back like if you, or your opinions actually matter

[Anonymous No.8480551]

>>8480542
oh they do, bucko. and they're worth a lot more than yours.

[Anonymous No.8480562]

>>8480551
my only participiation in this man child riddled thread is gonna be be insulting you


Fucking autistic retard, you're on a Mongolian BBQ forum, you're worth literally nothing

[Anonymous No.8480568]

>>8480562
lmao manchild and projection 101 is the best you've got? how often do you go outside you insignificant nonce?

[Anonymous No.8480576]

>>8480568
Why do you type like a retard

[Anonymous No.8480578]

>>8480551
Kill yourself you narcissistic thundercunt, your opinions matter to no one but yourself, you enema discharge.

[Anonymous No.8480579]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream

[Anonymous No.8480586]

>>8480579
>Ellison showed the first half dozen pages of "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" to Frederik Pohl, who paid him in advance to finish it.

well, you've sold me. I'll put it on the list

[Anonymous No.8480588]

>>8480576
>doesnt punctuate sentences
>isnt himself a retard

[Anonymous No.8480593]

>>8480588
Doesn't use apostrophes. Comments on other's grammar.

[Anonymous No.8480594]

>>8480588
Every time you post you embarrass yourself, how many more until you play the "hurref dfurvvSE I WAZ ONLY TREROOLINBG HAJAJAHAA"

reeeeeetard alert

[Anonymous No.8480596]

>>8480593
>cant comprehend greentext as the superior art form it is

newfags these days

[Anonymous No.8480602]

BUMP LIMIT REACHED, NEW THREAD:

>>8480598
>>8480598
>>8480598

Please keep the shitposting in this thread.

[Anonymous No.8480604]

>>8480596
...you realize you can still use proper punctuation in green text, right? Nevermind, I forgot the caliber of idiot I'm talking to.

[Anonymous No.8480605]

>>8480602
I wish it was one of those times when it was all just one Australian guy

[Anonymous No.8480612]

>>8480204
>>8480236

Why do Spatterlight's ebooks have such shiity covers? I looked up the one for Showboat World and it's clipart quality.

[Anonymous No.8480627]

>>8479509

[Anonymous No.8480633]

>>8480627
if youve read so much why are you still such an idiot?

...oh. you only read genre fiction. my mistake, i thought i was talking to someone worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.8480641]

Any love here for Alistair Reynolds? I'm pretty new to /lit/ coming from /tg/, so just wanted to hear what /lit/s thoughts were on an author whose work I really like.

I really enjoyed his older stuff like Chasm city and Diamond Dogs/Turquoise Days, but haven't really been too keen on the new stuff about elephants in space.

[Anonymous No.8480653]

>>8480641
take real questions to the new thread

>>8480602

[Anonymous No.8480656]

>>8480586
.... I suggested that shit multiple times in my chart >>8477299 and out... and when someone else posts it you read...

[Anonymous No.8481251]

Was he autistic?