Would you consider this man a "literary great"

[Anonymous No.8459461]

He is undoubtedly the greatest comic book writer of all time..

does that make him a literary great, would /lit put him up with the best?

[Anonymous No.8459486]

Watchmen is greater than 85 percent of the literary wank that's out there

[Anonymous No.8459492]

no

[Anonymous No.8459495]

Watchmen and Swamp Thing are masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.8459506]

>ITT: clueless anons mentioning Watchmen instead of From Hell

[Anonymous No.8459789]

yes

[Anonymous No.8459823]

>>8459461
>are comic books literature ?
No.

[Anonymous No.8459833]

>>8459461
No, but an entertaining writer.

[Anonymous No.8459840]

>>8459833
of course he is a literary great?

[Anonymous No.8459851]

>>8459461
I enjoy Moore's work, but I do think he tends to lean on the pessimistic side of things.

Then again he did grow up in Northampton. I have no doubt 'Jerusalem' will feel like an omnibus of Coronation Street in written form.

[Anonymous No.8459854]

>>8459461
Get this comic book shit off my board.

[Anonymous No.8459856]

>>8459840
I already said no my dude.

His perspective is too much of a meme and the medium of his best work doesn't highlight great prose or poetry, that's the best way I can put it.

[Anonymous No.8459874]

>>8459851
Jerusalem is going to be a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.8459878]

>>8459495
>Watchmen and Swamp Thing are masterpieces.
And Marvelman is better than both so...

[Anonymous No.8459881]

he definitely has the potential. Voice of the Fire is a really strong work.


love his comics too but i tend to evaluate them separately from his literary work, for the sake of this discussion anyway. he's already established himself as a comic great. i guess Jerusalem will show us whether or not he's a literary great.

[Anonymous No.8459884]

I heard Jerusalem has 11 chapters of a child choking on a throat lozenge. Can someone elaborate on this?

[Anonymous No.8459889]

>>8459878
Marvelman was written by Gaiman i thought?

[Anonymous No.8459893]

>>8459889
he wrote half of it. Or well he wrote after issue 16, I should put it.

[Anonymous No.8459899]

Also I never understood why comics/manga readers always try to seek validation here, like they're insecure of their medium. Alan Moore is a great writer, but comparing him to literature is pointless. Does /tv/ try to seek validation here by comparing Kubrick or Coppola or whoever to literary greats?

[Anonymous No.8459907]

>>8459899
he literally writes literature though. the /tv/ equivalent would be asking if Cronenberg's Consumed is on par with great works of literature.

[Anonymous No.8459935]

>>8459461
>undoubtedly the greatest comic book writer of all time..

KEK

[Anonymous No.8460070]

thats not dave sim the author of cerebus, greatest comic of all time, OP

[Anonymous No.8460076]

>>8459884
11 (eleven) chapters.
one (1) child.
one (1) lozenge (throat).
zero (0) oxygen.

[Anonymous No.8460106]

>>8459884
It's literally just going to be the kids life flashing before his eyes, or a bunch of contrivances that will lead back to the choking kid. Either way, hack tier.

[Anonymous No.8460148]

>>8459899
I think comics are more akin to literature than movies and I'm not sure why. Maybe because the consumer controls the pace?

I'd consider Moore a "literary" great because his works aren't as art-dependent, but Bill Waterson or Taiyō Matsumoto comic book greats because their collective talents make something unique from literature specifically

[Anonymous No.8460321]

of course

[Anonymous No.8460865]

>>8460076
underrated kek

[Anonymous No.8460999]

is anyone here reading providence?

[Anonymous No.8461021]

>>8459851
Northampton isn't in The North bruh.

[Anonymous No.8461025]

>>8459856
you havent read Watchmen, From Hell, or Swamp thing.

[Anonymous No.8461027]

>>8460076
thatnks Derrida.

[Anonymous No.8461041]

>>8459461
No, because comic books are not literature--they're fucking comic books. When will /co/mplete autists realize that judging a medium by the conventions of another medium is inherently unproductive to that medium?

[Anonymous No.8461044]

>>8460999
I've been buying all the issues, but I'm waiting for it to complete before I start reading.

[Anonymous No.8461046]

>>8461041
Moore writes actual literature though

[Anonymous No.8461054]

>>8461041
>not knowing about based Jerusalem

[Anonymous No.8461082]

>>8459461
After reading Watchmen and V for Vendetta, I don't get the deal. They're good and entertaining, sure, but people comparing them to great novels seems crazy. IIRC they suffer from obviously expositional dialogue and really obvious nudge-wink parallels- stuff that would be grating and clunky in a movie, never mind literature.

I do like the neat visual tricks and echoes in Watchmen, though. It's just when it gets into the text it feels a bit laboured.

[Anonymous No.8461103]

>>8461082
What expositional dialogue are you referring to in Watchmen? The pirate comic or Dr Manhattan's monologues on Mars?

[Anonymous No.8461107]

>>8459495
>shambolic beast man gets the girl story written by shambolic beast man

Nah, I don't think I'd call it a masterpiece.

His only good book was From Hell and even that was self-indulgent

[Anonymous No.8461111]

>>8459907
Is Consumed worth reading? Not expecting literary greatness but is it worth the time if you love Cronenberg's films?

[Anonymous No.8461132]

>>8461103
No, just odd bits of dialogue. I only half remember, but I think there's lines like 'since the 1976 Keane Act...'- stuff that nobody would actually say, that's clearly just there to fill the reader in.

I could be misremembering, but that's the impression I got.

[Anonymous No.8461145]

>>8459461
>greatest "x" of all time

This is not true for anyone in any art form

[Anonymous No.8461167]

>>8459889
Moore wrote the bulk of it up to the fight with Kid Miracleman

[Anonymous No.8461176]

>>8461111
It is worthy but only if you really really Cronenberg. There are better books out there than Consumed.

[Anonymous No.8461258]

>>8461176
ofc there's many many better books out there, what's good about it did you think?

[Anonymous No.8461279]

>>8459935
Moore is on par with Eisner, both are worse than Kirby, tbqh

[Anonymous No.8461282]

>>8459461
I would say so. Alan Moore is a bastion of creativity and deeper meaning, even when applied in a comic book setting -- a feet most ceretainly worth talking about. From Hell alone is enough to justify this.

However, the unfortunate thing for him is that he is among the very, very select few who manage this. The vast majority of comics are trite and dibblous, claw-hammer-esque in subtle and lacking egregiously in any sort of original thought. I'd say the only other few who manage this would be Neil Gaiman with Sandman, and possibly Grant Morrison for Arkham Asylum. Possibly.

Everything else is garbage. Sometimes enjoyable garbage, but still garbage.

[Anonymous No.8461286]

>>8461111
my copy is still sitting on my shelf unopened. hope to read it around fall or winter.

[Anonymous No.8461293]

>>8459461
>have great voice
>don't narrate own audiobooks
Why does he do this?
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=EPTCgaDHk3Q

[Anonymous No.8461399]

>>8461282
The distance between Moore and Gaiman, Morrison (lol) is large and marked by many writers. I suggest you not lunge into authoritative diatribes about subjects you've only grazed on, or failing that, at least refrain from dipping into your top hat & monocle glossary when you do so, because that makes you stumble beyond graceful recovery.

[Anonymous No.8461420]

>>8461111
It felt like a DeLillo Novel but not as great, It's enjoyable but you can tell it's a debut novel.

[Anonymous No.8461431]

>>8461420
I think I'll end up reading then, second rate Delillo is first rate a lot of things. The comparison makes sense I guess since it must've been written quite soon after Cronenberg made Cosmopolis - DeLillo's own second rate DeLillo novel

[Anonymous No.8461444]

>>8461282
>Everything else is garbage.
Or rather, you are just uninformed.
You should check out works like Paul Chadwick's Concrete, Gary Spencer Millidge's Strangehaven, Jamie Delano's work on Hellblazer, Art Spiegelman's Maus, Dave Sim's Cerebus, Steve Purcell's Sam & Max, Charles Burns's Black Hole, James Robinson's Starman, Brian K. Vaughan's Saga, Ed Brubaker's Sleeper, Warren Ellis's Planetary, Mike Mignola's The Amazing Screw-On Head, Garth Ennis's Adventures in the Rifle Brigade, Eric Powell's The Goon, Jack Kirby's Devil Dinosaur, Hergé's The Adventures of Tintin, Jeff Smith's Bone, Franquin's Spirou et Fantasio, Jodorowsky's Metabarons, René Goscinny's Asterix et Obelix, Osamu Tezuka's Phoenix, Kazuo Koike's Lone Wolf and Cub, Naoki Urasawa's Monster, Jhonen Vasquez's Squee!, Junji Ito's Uzumaki, Carl Barks and Don Rosa's Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comics, Winsor McCay's Little Nemo in Slumberland, Hayao Miyazaki's Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind and Tove Jansson's Moomin strips, just to name a few.

[Anonymous No.8461447]

>>8461431
lol yeah, exactly what I thought when I picked it up. It has a similar tone to to Cosmopolis which I emjoyed inspite of it's flaws, with Cronenberg's body horror. It's satirical (I really hope) in that it's characters are fucking pseuds but their interactions are interesting. Also gave me boners.

[Anonymous No.8461459]

>>8461444
good digits, good post. you should check out A Contract With God by Eisner.

[Anonymous No.8461473]

I want to read From Hell again (read it years ago, but now consider myself much more literarily educadted).

What are some works I might want to check out beforehand? (Not just comics.) I know that From Hell had a lot of references to history and art. I don't want a lot of it to fly over my head.

[Anonymous No.8461481]

>>8461444
>Chadwick
>Chad
No fucking thanks.

[Anonymous No.8461536]

>>8461481
What's the matter twerp, afraid he'll rob you of your lunch money?