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>Tolstoy is better than Dostoevsky

>> No.8408812

>Ayn Rand is better than Friedrich Hayek

>> No.8408816

>lets argue about inane preferences without providing arguments or point of views

let this meme board die please

>> No.8408823
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>>8408816
>Arguments and point of views are better than inane preferences

>> No.8408858

>>8408808
True I didn't want to believe it because Dostoyevsky was my deceased Father's favorite but after reading Tolstoy I can't deny it.

>> No.8408866

I'm sorry you can't accept a fact.

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Still...

>> No.8408885

It bothers me that people call Faulkner a corncobber when Tolstoy was more of a corncobber than he ever was.

>> No.8408921
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Nietzsche is better than Stirner

>> No.8408936

>>8408885
There is no corn in Russia.

>> No.8408957

>>8408866

This.

>> No.8408967

>>8408808
memes that come out of twitter are fucking garbage

the whole website is garbage and you have to be genuinely mentally ill to be "good at it"

>> No.8408977

>>8408921
Nietzsche and Stirner don't really have that much in common.

>> No.8409368

>>8408885
What's a corncobber.

>> No.8409389

>>8409368

Nobody knows. It's just a meme word all the cool kids on /lit/ use.

>> No.8409402

>>8408823
If there is no order and only inanity, and all preferences are equal, what's the purpose of discussing it at all except to upset other people?

Are you just trying to upset me? Are you just an upsetter?

Why, I am now quite upset. Gosh.

>> No.8409403

>>8409389
No? It's the criticism (corncobby chronicles) Nabokov used on Faulkner. Corncobby refers to the provincial writing.
Being ignorant doesn't make you better than other people.

>> No.8409409

>>8409403
Well someone has to be better, or else what's the point of knowing anything? Just prolonging existence.

>> No.8410406

>>8408872
you need to go back

>> No.8410421

>>8408921
>pic
DELETE THIS

>> No.8410701

>>8409403
Would you have bothered to post the explanation if he hadn't posted the incorrect one?

>> No.8411383

>>8408812
>Ayn Rand
>Hayek
>ever

>> No.8411417

>>8408808
Gogol>Tolstoy>>>>>>>Dostoevsky

>> No.8411536

>>8408808
Dostoievsky wrote the sickest dialogues, but Tolstoy didn't use the same characters in all of his books.

Raskolnikov=Ivan Karamazov
Marmeladov=Theodore Karamazov
Myshkin= Alexei Karamasov

You know it's true

>> No.8411551

>>8411536
>Theodore

>> No.8411623

>>8411551
>Fyodor

>> No.8411674

>>8408977
It still amuses me that people think that they're similar. They only appear similar at the surface level. They're polar opposites when you dig down to the root of it. Stirner embraces Nihilism while Nietzsche rejects it.

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>>8408808
Tolstoy is far better because he recognized the problem with atheism [nihilism] and followed through on Christian convictions where Dostoevsky just whined about the problems atheism would cause.

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>>8411674

>He thinks Stirner embraces nihilism

>> No.8412021

>>8409402
thats because all preferences are equal and only ones triggered by that fact are the pseudointellectuals who only read """real literature"""

>> No.8412025

>>8411746
heh kid

>> No.8413257

Does Tolstoy also start his books with 200 pages of introductions and exposition? That's why I hate Dostoevsky personally; it's boring as fuck.

>> No.8413310

>>8411536
That's a pretty facile comparison
Who would Shatov be? The underground man?
Ivan and raskolnikov aren't even that similar

>> No.8413390

>>8408808

what is it about a closed fist that encapsulates all of our hate, anger and frsutration, primal contraction of wrath

>> No.8413421

>>8413390
trying too hard to look smart there laddie

>> No.8413429

>>8413310
Both represent the 'intelligentsia' at the time and are portrayed as misanthropists with revolutionary ideals. Though Rodia got his redemption in the end, whereas Ivan most likely died. Maybe it would have been better to say Fyodor uses archetypes

>> No.8413436

>>8413390
You mean why it is the crystalization of those things, or why should it be?

>> No.8414380

>>8411536
raskolnikov is far different from Ivan. He's in complete hysterics for the first half of the book. I havent read TBK in awhile but i rememer Ivan being rather cool-headed and calculating.

>> No.8414785

>>8411536
>Raskolnikov = Ivan K.
No. Raskolnikov was a young idealistic law student, who had high dreams and therefore killed someone because he felt it was an easy way out. Ivan was a successful writer influenced by the European ideals who happened to be mentally ill and started to feel guilty of a crime he didn't commit due to his "encounters" with the "Devil". Both are completely different and only share one trait: ambition. Ivan was cool headed, intelligent, pretentious and well-mannered. Raskolnikov was a epileptic, desperate and a weak coward.

>Marmeladov = Fyodor Karamazov
I'm not going to put much effort on this comparison because it's obviously bs. One is a drunkard who never managed to be successful in life while the other married many pretty cutes and got wealthy af.

>Myshkin = Alyosha
They're pretty close but I wouldn't say that they're the same. Myshkin is way more active and better than Alyosha, desu.


P.S: Don't comment if you haven't read the books, poser

>> No.8414808

>>8408808
they both suck and tell it rather than show it

>> No.8414824

desu they both suck- bulgavok and pushkin have more challenging/beautiful prose

that is why there's fewer translations of their work

>> No.8414827

>>8414824
If you're reading translations forget about prose

>> No.8414853

>>8411674
>Stirner embraces Nihilism
Nice spooks.

>> No.8414936

>>8414827

not critiquing the authors regarding their translations- thankfully i don't have to resort to them :^)

kys, pleb- etc.

>> No.8414984

>>8408936
This is why Putin wants Ukraine

>> No.8414997

>>8413257
>Does Tolstoy also start his books with 200 pages of introductions and exposition?
Uh, yeah; moreso than Dostoyevsky does

>> No.8415078

>>8414827
>about prose
Poetry, you mean

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>>8408936
There's nothing except bears, vodka and shitty authors, yap.

>> No.8415119

>>8408808
he is tho

>> No.8415817

>>8414997
OK fuck that shit lol

>> No.8416982

>>8414380
>>8414785
Haven't you read any Dostoievsky? Rodia, Ivan, or Kirilov are the atheist thoughts he tries to concile. Anastasia and Grushenka, modeled after his waifu Polina Suslova. Marmeladov, Fyodor Karamazov, Gania's father are sad old drunkards, product of Dosto's self awareness.

My favorite is Ragojine, actually

>> No.8417050

>>8408808
>>8408812
Nobody says this