/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.8401661]

Why hasn't a woman written a masterpiece yet?

[Anonymous No.8401669]

>>8401661
women aren't allowed to even go to school in some parts of the world...

[Anonymous No.8401678]

>>8401661
>Middlemarch
>To the Lighthouse
>Wise Blood
>Song of Solomon
It's like you're not even trying OP

[Anonymous No.8401681]

>>8401669
Ah, that's the reason...

[Anonymous No.8401683]

>>8401661
go home pleb

[Anonymous No.8401691]

>Women must be considerably better than me at everything before I will consider them my equals.


Yup, okay.

[Anonymous No.8401693]

>>8401678
Could say the same for you lad. Very low standards. You seem to have breathed in the same air that has infected the world to believe that genius and masterpieces are quite common.

[Anonymous No.8401698]

>>8401691
You'd have a point if I were referring to 'women' and not 'a woman'.

[Anonymous No.8401699]

>>8401678
>>8401683
>masterpiece

Embarrassing replies, frankly. Fuck off roasties.

[Anonymous No.8401702]

>>8401661

Women weren't taught to read and write for a long time. They were discouraged from literature related fields for a long time. Now, we'll see.

Having said that:

A Good Man Is Hard to Find.
Wuthering Heights.
The Waves.
To Kill a Mockingbird.
The Bell Jar.

[Anonymous No.8401710]

pride and prejudice.....

[Anonymous No.8401713]

>>8401693
Who the fuck is mixing geniuses with masterpieces here? Calm your fedora tipping ass down before you go putting words in my mouth you cuck.

[Anonymous No.8401714]

>>8401683
but that's a boys name

[Anonymous No.8401715]

>>8401678
>Song of Solomon
>good

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8401720]

>>8401713
You have no standards and consider the works you listed as masterpieces. Are you actually this fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.8401722]

>>8401699
cute

Name me a better piece of 19th Century British lit.

[Anonymous No.8401725]

>>8401702
None of these should be uttered in the same breath as a Ulysses.

[Anonymous No.8401726]

Since no one else has given an even reasonable example, feel free to pick up any edition of the Collected Poems of Emily Dickinson, OP.

[Anonymous No.8401727]

>>8401720
You should actually kill yourself if you don't rate Middlemarch.
>implying you've even read it.

[Anonymous No.8401728]

>>8401720
>Middlemarch
>No standards
Wew, lad the bait is up in here today

[Anonymous No.8401733]

>>8401726
LOL

[Anonymous No.8401734]

>>8401727
Certainly don't rate it as a 'masterpiece'.

[Anonymous No.8401737]

>>8401733
At least you got dubs, retard.

[Anonymous No.8401738]

>>8401715
>implying you've read it
Everybody in this thread needs to calm their tits.

[Anonymous No.8401742]

>>8401722
There are literally dozens. Another embarrassing reply.

Interesting how you have completely abounded the idea that women can create a masterpiece, and settled on them being able to create an above average work in the 19th century and in Britain.

[Anonymous No.8401745]

>>8401734
Still waiting for your standards fuckboi

[Anonymous No.8401751]

>>8401745
On what? You want me to list what I think are 'masterpieces' written by women? Pic related.

[Anonymous No.8401754]

>>8401742
Then you should be able to name me one, right?

[Anonymous No.8401755]

See, the best move here is to reply with nothing else than a classical (you), because even if I lay on you every possible piece of writting written by women, you'll discard it automatically without any investigating done beforehand. So op, tell me what your favorite book is, because you're clearly only making this thread so you can brag about your oh so great litterary knowledge, come on now, lay it on me.

[Anonymous No.8401760]

>>8401755
Very unconvincing piece of rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.8401762]

>>8401755
Ulysses.

I know you won't reply.

[Anonymous No.8401766]

>>8401762
>has read Ulysses
Confirmed bait thread. Bag 'em and tag 'em mods.

[Anonymous No.8401768]

>>8401766
Bye roastie.

[Anonymous No.8401772]

>>8401742
>google search intensifies

[Anonymous No.8401774]

>>8401762
I'm currently reading Finnegans Wake (at 67% progress right now), what's your point? I enjoy the book and have more on the way, but I enjoyed Marie de France's lais and Marie Uguay's poetry too.
>>8401760
It would be if I was trying to convince anyone in the first place. But I'm not.

[Anonymous No.8401775]

>>8401762
>>8401768
>not finnegan's wake
>not mason & dixon
You tried. You really did.

[Anonymous No.8401777]

>>8401661
The Hebrew Bible.

[Anonymous No.8401783]

>>8401775
>>not finnegan's wake
> finnegan's
M8.

[Anonymous No.8401785]

>>8401661
Lais of Marie de France

Jane Austen

[Anonymous No.8401786]

>>8401774
>I am finishing this perfectly cooked steak, but I enjoy Wendy's as well so the two are exactly the same

[Anonymous No.8401787]

Shakespeare was a woman.

[Anonymous No.8401788]

Because of the lower state of women in culture across the world in the whole history of mankind.

[Anonymous No.8401789]

Lots of ancient chinese women poets. Once read one or two—I can't read chinese, but the characters were pretty. Loved it.

Also, Jane Austen; never read her work, but I love it.

Ayn Rand is said to be a great thinker; I believe it, though I never read her work.

In anthropology, Ruth Benedict and Margaret Mead both contributed great works. Never read any, but they're interesting, according to my mom.

[Anonymous No.8401793]

>>8401786
Not even fucking with you m8 I have half of Jane Austen's novels, every Bronte novels, every Colette's novels and much more. That along with many famous white males too, so don't be harsh on me just yet.

[Anonymous No.8401796]

Lispector's the Passion According to G.H.
Sarah Kane's oeuvre.
Emily Dickinson
maybe Speedboat by Adler
Nightwood by Djuna Barnes
>>8401788
I don't see how that can be used as a defense in the first world.

[Anonymous No.8401800]

>>8401796
Because sexism is extremely prevalent even in the first world.

[Anonymous No.8401802]

>>8401678

>The poetry of Sapho
>Memoirs of Hadrian
>The poetry of Emily Dickinson
>The poetry of Anna Akhmatova
>The poetry of Sylvia Plath
>The short stories of Flannery O'Connor

OP is just mad because he cant get any pussy

[Anonymous No.8401811]

>>8401800
Still no point to consider.
>>8401802
Rest are reasonable. Stop mentioning Plath though.

[Anonymous No.8401816]

>>8401802
good=/= Masterpiece

[Anonymous No.8401817]

>>8401816

Memoirs of Hadrian is a masterpiece, no doubt about that.

[Anonymous No.8401826]

>>8401817
>no doubt about that.
yes doubt about that
Then +100 male authors also are masterpieces?
The thing about masterpieces, is that when anything is, nothing really becomes

[Anonymous No.8401831]

>>8401826
you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.8401837]

>>8401789
low quality bait
learn from
>>8401755
>>8401793
>>8401800
>>8401774

[Anonymous No.8401840]

>>8401837
>low quality bait
No, that's just a joke.

[Anonymous No.8401861]

>what is Frankenstein and harry Potter? the thread

[Anonymous No.8401862]

>>8401826

You haven't even read it, so how can you talk about it?

[Anonymous No.8401884]

>>8401862
Il ne l'a pas lu! J'en suis sure!
C'est beau temps qu'il faut arrêter de poster

[Anonymous No.8401892]

>>8401884
Well, that's one way to admit defeat.

[Anonymous No.8401911]

>this thread

/lit/ is like /tv/ without baneposting, lmao.

[Anonymous No.8401912]

>>8401762
>Ulysses
Abahahhhhhahahhaahah

He fell for the meme

[Anonymous No.8401920]

>>8401892
I hope I'm getting baited
Good bait

[Anonymous No.8401921]

>>8401911
idk, this was actually way more productive than most lit posts. so far there are like ten new book titles for me to consider checking out, all at least somewhat promising (minus plath oc)

[Anonymous No.8401923]

Alice Notley anyone? Like me some Sappho, Memoirs of Hadrian, and George Eliot as well

[Anonymous No.8402021]

Since when has /lit/ been so scared of women? Is /pol/ and /r9k/ really leaking around?

Please don't ruin this board with all that stupid trash, this is the only place on the internet where i can discuss literature without plebians that read genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.8402041]

>>8402021
4chan is a majority introverted men who cant socialize in real life. its not a surprise how much they create a bitter victim mentality towards women

[Anonymous No.8402042]

>>8401661
Sasha gray wrote a novel

[Anonymous No.8402062]

>>8402041
Nice rationalization.

We don't want to fuck you because your brains are inferior- as evidenced by the fact that no one in this thread could name a masterpiece written by a woman.

[Anonymous No.8402074]

>>8402062
>look at me i'm a women! don't hit on me silly boys xx

[Anonymous No.8402083]

>>8402074
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.8402085]

some poetry maybe. women's brains are emotion based so its rare to find highly developed/focused creations of art from them.

i think ayn rand is worth reading but its definetely not a "masterpiece"

[Anonymous No.8402105]

>>8401661
Because they're fucking hoors.

[Anonymous No.8402121]

>>8401714
No, that's a pen name

[FLA green !YOUlQWt3s6 No.8402155]

>>8401661
To the Lighthouse
Virginia Woolf in general

[Anonymous No.8402163]

>>8401911
well, "that's your opinion"... if you know what I mean (it's a big drift)

[Anonymous No.8402244]

do not people understand that there are like 4 or 3 books that can be considered masterpieces? from the top of my head i think of Ulysses, The Divine Comedy, Don Quixote and The Tempest.

They are called masterpieces because they influence everything that comes after them, and the fact that men wrote them is just because society was dominated by men at the time. This does not mean women haven't wrote upper-quality literature during history, and denying it would be stupid and pretentious.

I hate this "woman-hating club" that has developed on this place just as much as i hate the fedora tipping ambient reddit has and the solanas-tier "feminism" that tumblr has. I just hope this whole naive social wars going on in the world stop quickly and people realise that screaming irrationalities won't just start changing the world because it has a "hip" pop-progressive feel to it.

You fags.

[Anonymous No.8402261]

>>8402021
/pol/ was here for a while but they mostly left. I actually miss them, at least they had some fun with their shitposting. /r9k/ has been around for maybe two or three weeks and they've been solidly shitting all over the board in that time. I'm not sure if it's a coordinated troll or if they got linked here or something.

[Anonymous No.8402267]

>>8402244
That's a retardedly narrow definition of masterpiece. In reality the term is arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.8402282]

>>8402244
>Ulysses, The Divine Comedy, Don Quixote and The Tempest.
All written by men.
lmao

[Anonymous No.8402287]

>>8402244
You are in agreement with all other sane people in this thread that a woman has never written a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.8402302]

>>8402244
Your entire post is well thought out and logical. This means that it will be completely ignored.

Please rephrase this using mindless hyperbole and/or hashtags.

[Anonymous No.8402309]

>>8402244
>The Tempest
Being this stoopid

[Anonymous No.8402330]

>>8402105

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJmoNlBjEE

[Anonymous No.8402339]

>>8401775
>'
>bye roastie

[Anonymous No.8402346]

>>8401826
Oooh, Heraclitus up in this bitch. Clearly we have a quality thread on our hands, boys

[Anonymous No.8402354]

>>8402244
>underrated post

[Anonymous No.8402359]

>>8402261
>two or three weeks
Try months

[Anonymous No.8402400]

>>8401788
>im-fucking-plying men had it better than women

[Anonymous No.8402403]

>>8401661
Frankenstein?

[Anonymous No.8402415]

>>8402282
Did you read the post, retard? I never denied it.

>>8402287
Yes, but that doesn't mean literature done by women should be considered inherently inferior, like most posts in this thread have said.

[Anonymous No.8402419]

AYE DIDNT DAT BITCH MURRY SHELLY WROTE SOME PROFOUND SHIT BOUT A DEAD NIGGA DONE COME BACK TO LIFE. But I mean I hurd she sucked da chrome of ma boy Byron.

[Anonymous No.8402426]

GUYS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD IS NOT TO REMIND THAT WOMEN HAVE NEVER WRITTEN A MASTERPIECE.
We should do as the Olympics, lower the standards to shit-tier writers and claim it's a world record!

[Anonymous No.8402432]

>>8401661
Because your personal cozy definition of a masterpiece, and secret list of examples, doesn't have any female authors on it. So you want to argue that The Tale of Genji, Evelina, Middlemarch, or Orinooko don't qualify, because it makes you feel more smug about having a dick? Go read some Edna Ferber, or Dorothy Richardson,or Djuna Barnes, or H.D., and improve your brain a bit. If you don't read to learn, why the fuck are you bothering?

[Anonymous No.8402436]

>>8402330
pete looks like reviewbrah

[Anonymous No.8402442]

>>8402432
>The Tale of Genji, Evelina, Middlemarch, or Orinooko
laterally whom?

[Anonymous No.8402445]

>>8402432
Stop shilling H.D. you faggot.

[Anonymous No.8402446]

>>8402432
>if you don't read to learn, why the fuck are you bothering?

Spoken like a true roastie whore who doesn't understand literature at all. This is why your ilk will never write a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.8402453]

>>8402432
>read to learn
>She proved le inferior womin meme
holy shit ironic poster?

[Anonymous No.8402466]

>>8402442
Actually hoping you're joking with that post.

[Anonymous No.8402490]

Story of the Stone

Tell me it's not a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.8402494]

>>8402442
Are you twelve? You haven't heard of Middlemarch? Jesus Christ.
>>8402445
Fuck off, and don't pretend you've read anything by her.
>>8402446
Is that your garbled foolish way of guessing that I'm female? Nope.
You pompous little fucking children. You read a handful of meme books, don't understand shit about them, and delude yourself that you're now qualified to lecture the world about the nature of great art. At least I've actually gotten the damn doctorate and been reading the works for decades. You have no context, no knowledge, and no sense. If you've read two books from a movement or period, you think you've done your research. It's just sad. The moment you get challenged, you resort to mocking your opponent for taking your bait or being "triggered," or anything else you can think of.

[Anonymous No.8402505]

>>8402453
No, assclown. Since you haven't read much of anything, you just assume that the works I've listed are "inferior" to the well-known shit you pretend you've read.

[Anonymous No.8402511]

>>8402494
Only a cold and soulless cunt would see literature as something to be systematically deconstructed and desperately analyzed in hopes of extracting something to "learn", presumably to fill the hole between your legs.

[Anonymous No.8402513]

Oh great, a thread where somebody says something can't happen then moves the goalposts and degrades every time somebody gives a good answer
>not even posting what they consider masterpieces in the OP

[Anonymous No.8402515]

>>8402513
I answered multiple times, I consider Ulysses a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.8402531]

>>8402244
if the divine comedy, which is basically one of the single most fundamental pieces of western culture, completely and undeniably perfect in every aspect, and the very core of not just the literary canon, but the human spirit, is now merely on the same level as ulysses, don quixote and the tempest, then this is the bitter end, and i look forward to our erasure in the apocalyptic flames of naivety

[Anonymous No.8402546]

>>8402511
Only a brain-damaged gibbon would think you can read any piece of literature without learning something. And did you seriously just try "the curtains are just blue! You don't know nuttin in dem fancy colleges" shit in a discussion about the literary canon? This just keeps getting more pathetic.

[Anonymous No.8402549]

Let us do something. Every poster here who say that women lack inteligence or creativity or brain power or whatever need to post a pic of themselves and preferably a pic of them with former girldriends or sex buddies. If you are a virgin and cant relate with girls, if you are ugly and lack confidence to even talk to girls then you probably dont have much moral to judge: we all know what is your problem.

[Anonymous No.8402552]

>>8402531
What places DV above those works?

[Anonymous No.8402560]

>>8402531
Shakespeare's complete corpus has much more worth than Dante's.

[Anonymous No.8402561]

Because they write mistresspiecées. Learn grammar and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.8402610]

>>8402490
this was written by a man?

[Anonymous No.8402674]

now fuck off op

[Anonymous No.8402719]

I love this thread

Ph.D in throttling

[Anonymous No.8402984]

I love all the fags who throw out Ulysses as the standard. That's like saying no one except Buffet is rich. There are maybe five books ever written that can be placed on the same tier as Ulysses. Is it that surprising that none were written by women when they have been marginalized and uneducated for most of history up until the last 75 years?

[Anonymous No.8403003]

>>8402984
ulysses isn't even that good

[Anonymous No.8403022]

>>8401817
I doubt anyone here has actually read Memoirs of Hadrian.

[Anonymous No.8403293]

>>8402610
Huh, I thought Cao was a girl name for some reason. I guess OP was right.

[Anonymous No.8403297]

>>8401702
No one was taught how to read and write for a long time. As soon as mass education became a thing women and men both were started to become more literate. Women in higher classes were as literate as men were.
But they were often discouraged from writing, although not in all fields.
Also
>Bell Jar
>To Kill a Mockingbird

[Anonymous No.8403309]

>>8403022
I have. It was nice but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. It felt like something my high school latin professor would write while rubbing her clit to her massive roman-boner.
Though when Adriano says something amongst the lines of: "I felt in charge of the beauty of this world", it made me feel something.

[Anonymous No.8403315]

WHY ARE YOU ALL STILL FEEDING THIS TROLL

[Anonymous No.8403390]

>>8402560
and homer's more than shakespeare. but it is not one work. unless shakespeare is the 'masterpiece'.

[Anonymous No.8403640]

>These pathetic 'don't even pretend to have read it' cases
H.D. is worthy only to be used in lieu of newspaper in a birdcage. You've marketed her months and it is so tiring.

[Anonymous No.8403702]

>>8403640
I've never mentioned H.D. on /lit/. You have me confused with someone else. And you haven't read her.

[Anonymous No.8403725]

This thread is the perfect example of 4chan; the misogyny, the lists and rankings, thesportsfan level criticism. Not enough 'cucks' and 'memes' though

[Anonymous No.8403738]

>>8402085
art is based on emotion

[Anonymous No.8403757]

>>8403702
>you haven't read her.
What are you trying to accomplish with this stupidity?

[Anonymous No.8403783]

>>8403757
I want you to either admit you know nothing of H.D. and shut the fuck up, or actually back up your "birdcage" idiocy with criticism that shows you've read a single poem sequence or novel by her. Otherwise, you're admitting I'm right. You haven't read a fucking thing by the author you're insulting. You're full of shit, anon. Is that clear enough for your atrophied, deluded, meme-addled brain?

[Anonymous No.8403804]

>>8402494
You're literally an idiot. Probably low iq. Your parents should be put to death for raising such a sickening husk of a human. I can't bear to imagine what you look like, or what other depraved and draining opinions you've got loping around in your tiny squashed little head. Sitting around in your cheap baggy jeans with no socks on wearing some off-brand zip-down hoodie. It may be unzipped completely, or maybe only one third of the way leaving that v shape so we can all see what comic book character you're sporting today, but one things for sure, you're a fucking dope. You've got that wet-lipped mongoloid expression and your hair is either buzzed down or completely unkempt. You're not fat but to imagine your misshapen battered body would be just as upsetting. Ooooh what games are on sale on Steam this week? Any new apps on the app store? Is Gamestop open? These are the banalities that float around behind those plain beady little eyes of yours. You're folded out on your couch wondering what tiny piece of enjoyment you can squeeze out of your miserable life today. You'd be depressed if you weren't so fucking stupid. OOOOH you're going to play your video games on the bus today? That sound fun. Maybe some more during the day? Maybe a movie, one of the classics? Minority Report? I'm going to fucking kill you. I'll find you one day and I'll come to wherever you live and I'll shoot you through your heart. I'll leave you dead in your fucking driveway, sprawled out and tangled in your headphones. You were up all night watching Netflix and drinking energy drinks, so fitting the jack into your Nintendo DS is difficult, and then you'll look up and you'll be dead. I will freeze you in that fucking moment for forever and ever.

[Anonymous No.8403820]

>>8401678

obvious bait you fucking retarded shitlords replying to this

[Anonymous No.8403831]

>>8401691

i believe the expectation is for them to be on par with other great works. not be any better than anything.
so yes, this would be considered equality, you fucking dumbass.

do you really have any clue as to what the fuck you are saying?

[Anonymous No.8403833]

>>8401802

O'Connor is shit m8

Comparable to the quality of average male authors, sure... but still shit.

>>8402244

>The tempest
>book

Anyway, Woolf has written well, and deserves to be considered among the best.

BUT,

I do think that women are at a significant handicap in the art world on a basis of biology. I'm not talking about intelligence, either- the four IQ point deviation means absolutely nothing when it comes to creating art. Art isn't all about being really smart.

Think of the aphorism, "art comes from pain". Men, in general, suffer more than women. Men are lonelier than women. Men are judged more cruelly than women. More is expected of men. The art created by men is infinitely wiser and more soulful as a result.

That said, purely through the wide variety of life experiences available in a population of billions, it's possible that a woman's suffering can equal a man's. I'm just talking about large numbers. If you have a book by a man and a book by a woman, the book by the man is going to be better 9/10 times.

[Anonymous No.8403877]

>>8401661
>>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.8405103]

>>8401826
>>8403022
>>8403309

“Meditation upon death does not teach one how to die; it does not make the departure more easy, but ease is not what I seek. Beloved boy, so willful and brooding, your sacrifice will have enriched not my life but my death.
...
Centuries as yet unborn within the dark womb of time would pass by thousands over that tomb without restoring life to him, but likewise without adding to his death, and without changing the fact that he had been.”

“The founding of libraries was like constructing more public granaries, amassing reserves against a spiritual winter which by certain signs, in spite of myself, I see ahead…”


“Nailed to the beloved body like a slave to a cross, I have learned some secrets of life which are now dimmed in my memory by the operation of the same law which ordains that the convalescent, once cured, ceases to understand the mysterious truths laid bare by illness, and that the prisoner, set free, forgets his torture, or the conqueror, his triumph passed, forgets his glory.”

“To eat fruit is to welcome into oneself a fair living object, which is alien to us but is nourished and protected like us by earth; it is to consume a sacrifice wherein we sustain ourselves at the expense of things.”

“The story-tellers and spinners of erotic tales are hardly more than butchers who hang up meat attractive to flies.”

“I knew that good like bad becomes a routine, that the temporary tends to endure, that what is external permeates to the inside, and that the mask, given time, comes to be the face itself.”

“At that period I paid as constant attention to the greater securing of my happiness, to enjoying and judging it, too, as I had always done for the smallest details of my acts; and what is the act of love, itself, if not a moment of passionate attention on the part of the body? Every bliss achieved is a masterpiece; the slightest error turns it awry, and it alters with one touch of doubt; any heaviness detracts from its charm, the least stupidity renders it dull."

"The memory of most men is an abandoned cemetery where lie, unsung and unhonored, the dead whom they have ceased to cherish."

"Nothing is slower than the true birth of a man."

"Suddenly the royal beast [a lion] appeared in a turmoil of trampled reeds and turned his handsome head toward us, one of the most godlike faces that danger can assume. [...] The mighty cat, color of the desert, of honey, of the sun itself, expired with a majesty greater than man's."

― Marguerite Yourcenar, Memoirs of Hadrian

[Anonymous No.8405109]

Jane Austen, VIrginia Woolf, Sylvia Plath, etc.

[Anonymous No.8405137]

>>8401802
Mmm love me some Sappho.

[Anonymous No.8405141]

>>8403003
Take that back.

[Anonymous No.8405169]

>>8403833

>Men, in general, suffer more than women

Outside of the American middle class from 1970 to present this isn't true at all.

>Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Every month they're reminded of how vulnerable they are, and how their biological role condemns them to pain and dependence on men. As such they have access to a realm of suffering that we will never know. Not to mention the constant knowledge that they are physically weaker and unable to resist unwanted sex, and the fear and anger that knowledge engenders. The paranoid crusade against "rape culture" doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Anonymous No.8405183]

>>8403640
HD writes amazing prose, with better control of rhythm and image than Joyce. You're too retarded to enjoy the finer things in life if she's birdcage tier to you.
>You've marketed her months
Yup, retarded. Pound's a better marketeer than /lit/

[Anonymous No.8405187]

>>8405109
Yeah, they are all on the levels of Joyce and Pushkin. Try again honey.

[Anonymous No.8405196]

>>8405187
Woolf definitely is. I'm pretty sure you haven't read Pushkin.

[Anonymous No.8405198]

>>8405196
Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.8405201]

>>8405198
>confirmed for not reading Pushkin
You should. It'll do your soul good.

[Anonymous No.8405203]

>137 posts on a muh women thread
>2016

come the fuck on /lit/, stop dignifying /pol/ bait with responses

[Anonymous No.8405212]

>>8405201
It's painfully obvious that you yourself have not read Pushkin, or Woolf for that matter, otherwise you would never compare the two.

[Anonymous No.8405217]

>>8405212
I have read Pushkin. It's obvious from your attitude you couldn't understand a loving soul and delicate prose like Pushkin's because you wouldn't be so angry or impolite if you did. You seem like a Dostoyevsky-tier ressentiment lover.

[Anonymous No.8405232]

Why nobody here accepts this challenge:

>>8402549

Bunch of cowards and losers, lol.

Also, what is this obsession with Joyce and Ulysses?

War and Peace and Anna Karenina, the tragedies of Shakespeare, the Iliad and the Odyssey, Moby Dick, In Search of Lost Time, all of them are much better than Ulysses.

Ulysses have a lot of great points, but also many failures. Also: you can almost feel how deeply Joyce wanted to write like Shakespeare, with the same beauty and wild metaphorical power, but fails to do so. It is hard to find in Joyce a texture of writing that compares to Shakespeare in his best (or even in his average).

A pity Joyce could not maintain the same exuberance as the last paragraph of The Dead and of phrases like “the heaventree of stars hung with humid nightblue fruit” more often (well, he wasn’t gifted enough to sustain so high level of writing).

[Anonymous No.8405248]

>>8405232
>A pity Joyce could not maintain the same exuberance as the last paragraph of The Dead and of phrases like “the heaventree of stars hung with humid nightblue fruit” more often (well, he wasn’t gifted enough to sustain so high level of writing).
I don't agree with the memeing of Joyce either, but you should really read Chamber Music.

[Anonymous No.8405250]

>>8405217
>I have read Pushkin.

He is not a first rate poet. He cannot handle translations, and that is because his language is mostly simple and straightforward, like normal prose, like boiled and sanitized water.

Pushkin’s value is mostly found in the sound, the rhythms, the rhymes; but he is weak on imagery, weak in metaphorical creation. That is why Shakespeare still is great in translation: he is constantly using bold and vibrating imagery. But Pushkin is actually quite tamed: he is for Russians only, and that makes him a limited writer.

[Anonymous No.8405259]

>>8405250
>That is why Shakespeare still is great in translation:
Shakespeare contains a lot of translations of troubadour poetry. That's why he does well in translation, because it reverts to the original.
>He is not a first rate poet. He cannot handle translations
>reading poetry in translation
He writes beautifully in both poetry and prose. His prose isn't like boiled and sanitized water; that criticism holds about as much weight as accusing Wilde of the same thing. Try reading.

[Anonymous No.8405458]

>>8402466
>>8402494
you anglocentrics are pretty full of yourself innit

[Anonymous No.8405795]

>>8401661
Wasn't the author of Frankenstein female?

[Anonymous No.8405851]

>>8402442

You've never heard of The Tale of Genji, but you've heard of David Foster Wallace and Pynchon. People like you are the reason Jonathan Franzen exists, you and everyone like you ought to be bayoneted in the ribs and tossed into the nearest ocean.

[Anonymous No.8405873]

>>8405851

I would not go as far as you in wanting to exterminate these people, but yes, you're right: they are mediocre people who will not get anywhere and there is no reason to waste time with them.

[Anonymous No.8406034]

>>8405851
I read neither weeb nor seppo shit to be honest

[Anonymous No.8406146]

>>8405103

This is great writing. I should read the novel.

[Anonymous No.8406155]

>>8405795
Yup. Mary Shelley. Here mother, Mary Wallstonecraft, also wrote "A Vindication of the Rights of Women," which has managed to make its way into every Western Literature Anthology I've ever owned.

But it really depends on one's definition of a masterpiece. That seems to be where a lot of the disagreement in this thread lies - the inability to agree on a definition of masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.8406219]

>>8405169
This is bigoted and extremely problematic. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you have no regard for us virgin males. Women cannot even begin to comprehend what men these days go through. The agony, depression and self loathing that comes with being a kissless virgin. No longer the days that we can exist for being what we are. Now, not only do we still bear the full weight of the world but now WE'RE THE PROBLEM? Not to mention the constant knowledge of being a creep, that any sexual advances is considered rape, the fear and anger that knowledge engenders The paranoid crusade against "roasties" doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Anonymous No.8406337]

being this deep in ideology