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8366626 No.8366626 [Reply] [Original]

Does /lit/ want to start a translation project for Mainlander's "Der Philosophie der Erlosung"? I'm thinking of buying a copy.

>> No.8366629
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8366629

It's online here, but the archaic font is hard to read and the scan is incomplete in parts.

https://archive.org/details/bub_gb__MUYAAAAIAAJ

>> No.8366866

yes

>> No.8366939

yeah but i don't read german or am too proficient in English
but it's a nice project

>> No.8366963

OP do it alone if nothing else organizes. Essentially all the big authors of history translated works in their free time, it's a very honorable hobby.

>> No.8366995

>>8366626
thought about doing that too. unfortunately my English is probably not sufficient for such a project. (native G though)

>> No.8367003

>>8366626
Ich will helfen, OP, aber ich bin zu faul. Es tut mir leid. Viel Glück!

>> No.8367011

>>8367003
Oblomov enttarnt

>> No.8367019

>>8367011
der_schwtizende_Mann.jpg

>> No.8367040

>>8366626
Get me a readable copy and I'll help

>> No.8367080

You'll have to buy it, none of the versions I found are readable. If you feel like buying it actually rip the pages instead of holding them on the scanner right away.

>> No.8367086

Or just simply get this

https://www.amazon.de/Die-Philosophie-Erl%C3%B6sung-Erster-Band-ebook/dp/B00HS8YG8O

Which is an kindle ebook version which can be simply stripped by DRM.

For germans who live near Universities/libraries that have lax policies (i.e. you can lend them, scan them etc.) look here if there are some near you:

https://www.worldcat.org/title/philosophie-der-erlosung/oclc/695209771

>> No.8367092

>>8366626
I know some people who work in a famous translation centre and I am going into the village where it lies next week. I might ask some people there.

>> No.8367188

OP here. I bought a physical copy off of Amazon. Until it arrives, I'm going to try to work with the editions online. If I make noticeable progress, you guys will be the first (and only!) to know.

>> No.8367190

Op I want to hug and kiss you

>> No.8367191

>>8367188
>!
I'm sorry but we're gonna have to turn you down.

>> No.8367298

>>8367190
...Why?

>> No.8367357

>>8366626
please do this.. english speakers should read this guy. I have only read sketches of his ideas online.

>> No.8367415

Yes, yes, and yes
How is this not translated by now?
Any Italian bros feel like translating?
I need Paolo Sarpis Art of Thinking Well, Thoughts, and An Ecclesiastical History of the Council of Trent.

Also Giamarria Ortes' National Economy and On the Religion and Government of Nations.

And Carduccis complete poetical works would be nice too.

>> No.8367424

I'd help with translating.

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>>8367003
Geht mir genauso. Maybe I'll help during the next manic period though.

>> No.8367460

>>8366626
germna here. ive got a solid 1, 1 1/2 months of uni break left and id be down. not to organize but id be in the general or however this ends up becoming a thing.

>> No.8367485

Speaking of niche german philosophy, In trying to remember a book an anon posted a long time ago. The cover had a skull and fountain or pedestal, and I think the title had sonething to do with sorrow

>> No.8367611

>>8367040
https://www.amazon.de/Die-Philosophie-Erl%C3%B6sung-Erster-Band-ebook/dp/B00HS8YG8O/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1470505749&sr=1-1&keywords=mainl%C3%A4nder

>> No.8367627

>>8367188

Are u a native german speaker ?
Or a native englisch speaker ?

>> No.8367640

>>8367298
You're doing good work. I've been wanting to read Mainlander since I first heard of him.

>> No.8367647

Come on germanfags, this is way more productive work than making three collaborative shitposting novels.

>> No.8368305

>>8366626
I would love to help but I don't know german, I would be happy to do some proof reading if you want and help with that English is my second language so be aware

>>8367415
I need to do something so just pass me a pdf and I will see what I can do. Not native in Italian but I guess something can be done. Something short and in the public domain for now will be good

>> No.8368319

My german isn't good enough to be any help but I'd proofread

>> No.8368374

please

>> No.8368451

>>8366626
Is there a zweiter band?

I'll do some bits if I can.

>> No.8368647

how long is it?

>> No.8368663

>>8366626
What is this? Who is Mainlander?

>> No.8369425

I'm a native German speaker, but I don't know if my English is up to the task to translate philosophical books. The last test I did for University said I have reached the level C1 (nearly C2), so I could try with some native English speaker with good German by my side

>> No.8370275

>>8366626
I wouldn't mind trying to contribute once a readable text is uploaded
German's not my L1 and neither's English but I'm on the 7th semester of a German major/English minor and am into philosophy and have access to dictionaries

>> No.8370287

>>8368663
Ligotti rips off a lot of Mainlaender in Conspiracy Against The Human Race

>> No.8370440

bump let's get something going. I can do Spanish and probably italian. I'm too uninspired to write my own stuff but maybe translating will save me

>> No.8370444

>>8370440
I've posted this thread on an anti-natalist forum, so if it doesn't get archived until the evening we might have something going.

>> No.8370453

>>8369425
My German was around b2 a while back, but I'm native English and I've had a look at shit like E Wolf's Peregrinatio that I guess is probably similar. So hopefully there's some cross over.

I've got a copy of Philosophie Der Erlösung coming this evening.

>> No.8370469 [DELETED] 

>>8366626
www filedropper com/mainlanderphilipp-derphilosophiedererlosung

Add the periods. For some reason 4chan thinks this is spam.

>> No.8370490

https://transfer.sh/7nmjy/mainlander-philipp-der-philosophie-der-erlosung.pdf

>> No.8370495
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German neet from old thread here. I will gladly translate ten to twenty pages a day, no flake. Just send me a scanned copy and tell me where to post my work.

>> No.8370496

>>8370495
You are the hero we need, anon.

>> No.8370512 [DELETED] 

>>8370490
>>8370496
Pls no fraktur, spasibo.

>> No.8370584

>>8370490
Am going away on Tuesday for two-three days, but will check for threads on this when I get back

>> No.8370653

I don't like the finely spun web part, there must be a better expression. Englandos halp.

Preface

He who delves into the development of the human spirit, from the beginning of civilization to modern times, will reach a remarkable conclusion: He will find that reason grasped the undeniable might of nature merely in fragmented, personified pieces, namely that which we call deities; went on to combine these deities into a single God; through abstract reasoning went on to make an entity out of this God that was no longer imaginable by any means; ultimately disposed of its finely spun web and the real individual, championing internal and external experience.

>> No.8370667

The stages of this development are as follows:

1) Polytheism
2) Monotheism - Pantheism,
a. religious pantheism
b. philosophical variant thereof
3) Atheism

>*tip*

>> No.8370683

Not all civilized people have covered the whole distance. The spiritual life of most has come to a standstill at the first or second stage and only two peoples have reached the final stage: India and Judea.

>> No.8370689

>>8370495

German guy from before:
Currently I have to work 10 weeks in a library for my university course and do not have this much time to spare, but I would like to do some work.

>> No.8370706

>>8370689
That's cool. I don't know how OP wants to organize this. The chapters are like 50 pages each. Got any ideas?

>> No.8370741

>>8370706
OP here. I was just going to photocopy sections of the book when I get it (in a font that's not fraktur) and translate the Vorwort for you guys. We can take it from there. It is a massively long book, but it looks like much of it was written in aphorisms of about a page, so we can break it down into chunks. The goal isn't necessarily to finish the whole thing, but to make sections of it accessible for /lit/ depressives and over-educated NEETS who want to check out something otherwise unavailable in English. And also as a monument of sorts to Phillip Mainlander, who wrote prodigiously in a frenzy only to live a short, unhappy life and to be forgotten except for one dismissive bon mot from Nietzsche.

But I'm terrible at organizing these sorts of things.

>> No.8370835

>>8370653
>ultimately disposed of its finely spun web and the real individual,
I think web or tissue while it has this idea of disparate ideas coming together, also has the subtext of lying. Thread or even net is probably a better fit. Or knitting actually.

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>>8370741
>a monument of sorts to Phillip Mainlander, who wrote prodigiously in a frenzy only to live a short, unhappy life and to be forgotten except for one dismissive bon mot from Nietzsche.
This filled me with feels.

>> No.8370857

>>8366626
How to translate Erkenntnisvermögen? The ability to recognise knowledge?

>> No.8370877

>>8370857
cognitive capacity?

t. shaky german speaker so don't take my word for it

>> No.8370881

>>8370857

Erkenntnisvermögen is not the ability to recognise knowledge, but the ability to learn, to gain knowledge. Something on the line of intelligence.

>> No.8370884

Do you guys think a work by Anonymous like this could ever be taken seriously by the public or critics? Spread and appreciated beyond 4chan, or will it just be dismissed as amateurish?

I mean the public just sees """us"""" as the evil haxx0r group consisting of pedos and bullies. Could this change our reputation?

>> No.8370936

>>8370884
It's pragmatism. Unless someone else does an actual academic translation, if you can't read German but you find Philipp Mainlander interesting then what choice do you have but to read anon's translation?

>> No.8370960

>>8370936
We need to make sure this gets out there after it's finished, and not just passed around on here. Like torrent that shit, make a simple website (even just a tumblr or whatever). Creative commons, etc.

We need a cover too. A damn iconic one, Anons.
Just pls not Pepe

>> No.8370965

>>8370881
I can see it's a tricky one with a cursory glance at some translations, being variously "perception", "human knowledge" and "mental ability". Good to know the more general idea of it.

>> No.8370988

>>8370960
>We need a cover too.
With "the mawkish apostle of viginity" -Nietzsche as a review quote

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>>8370988
kek
I support this.

what about pic related? i always felt it looked like the tfw-face a bit. But maybe not depressing enough?

>> No.8371121

I have bought the Kindle Version, too.
And from now on I ( the German one, who works in a library ) use this Name: " Markus ". I think this will make organizing a bit easier.

>> No.8371132

>>8371121
I'll be Commodus

>> No.8371141

>>8371132
I will go with Stefan, I'm the guy that can speak spanish and get away with Italian

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>>8371121
>>8371141
>can pick any name in the world
>goes with Markus and Stefan

>> No.8371152

>>8371132
>>8371141

Nice to meet you, good sirs.

>> No.8371161

>>8371150
I'm thinking of using that irl but how to do it without looking like a douchbag, my name is "..." but call me "..."

>> No.8371167

>>8371150
fancy names are for fancy people, I like it simple and practical.

>> No.8371170

>>8371161
Meet some new people and introduce yourself as Stefan, then when it creeps into your non Stefan life play it off as a nickname or something.

Or change your name legally. You can pretend the old name was your middle name or something.

>> No.8371181

>>8371167
i'm fancy.
call me Furry Fanny von Kitten

>> No.8371187

>>8371170
I actually moved to another country recently but since my real name is not the easiest to pronounce I could try to go with "ah just call me Stefan" as it´s similar (I tried that but then people insist in pronouncing it right)

>>8371181
An honor Mr. von Kitten

>> No.8371218

>>8371187
Then use the old faithful "my friends call me...". Most people will rather use the friend one.

>> No.8371219

>>8371181

My Pleasure your lordship

>> No.8371235

>>8371187
>>8371219
Good evening plebeians

>> No.8371248

>>8370960
I recently helped one Belgian anti-natalist (or French, but based in Belgium?) find a translator for his anti-natalist manifesto, and he either owns or is a co-owner of a publishing house, so if you manage to translate it, I'll put you guys in contact with him.

>> No.8371260

>>8371248
>anti-natalist
Is this the utmost of edgelord one can be?
I really can't think of anything more edgy.

>> No.8371263

>>8371260
So what are you doing ITT? Mainlander's oeuvre is pretty much the foundation of modern anti-natalism.

>> No.8371294

>>8371263
I thought that accolade went to Malthus? Or is that more not-pro-natalism?

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>>8370960
>>8371004
>>8370988
Does the Green-YA style emphasize the depressiveness or no? Either way the Nietzsche quote probs fits better in the arms, I just wanted to see how it would look quick.

My paper copy just arrived btw.

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>>8371477
Brother of African-American descent, that is yellow, not green

But it looks dope tho, I love it

Maybe we could draw in a snare hanging from the ceiling which he is longingly looking up to. Too dark?

>> No.8371520

>>8371514
too edgy imo (if not bait anyway)

>> No.8371534

If any additional help is needed: Iam native German. Not sure if my English is sufficient, but would like to try

>> No.8371540

I'm expecting this to be done entirely in greentext aka 4chans own prose. I'll be severely disappointed if not.

I also want several reaction illustrations to go with the text.

Get to work Anons

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>>8371514
I mean like John Green and his "Oh hey like I just scribbled my name and title and some quotes guys" cover style

I'll fire up the ol PC in a bit. I'll try and get a nice noose as one of the O's in the title to make it cutesy I think. Maybe as like the tail of the y on philosophy and the o of redemption.

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8371596

this... is my master piece

>> No.8371688

>>8370653
I'd suggest
>He will find that reason first grasped the undeniable might of nature in fragments and then personified the individual pieces, i.e. created gods
Though I prefer your use of fragments for 'Kraftäußerung' instead of something awkward, I believe there's something of a biblical allusion 'Götter bilden', creating gods/deities.
I think the web part is fine, but you forgot something, so I think it's '... disposed of its finely spun web and enthroned the real individual: the fact of the internal and external experience.
Also I prefer trying to keep a more image-laden phrase like 'die Stationen dieses Wegs', so that >>8370667 would be the 'stations on this way', but I'm aware there's a current trend in translation not to do this

>> No.8371708

>>8370653
>>8371688
I thought zerriss was more about being pulled apart rather than discarded. So they wove this thing and it got torn up/pulled apart/unravelled, or am I way off here?

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8371926

How about this?

>> No.8371928

I'm fluent in German and English and Russian, but that's not relevant

Send me a free copy and I'll translate it

>> No.8372014

>>8371926
I like it. Simple is the way to go.

>> No.8373290

bump

>> No.8373295

I would help but don't want to read all that fraktur

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>>8367191

>> No.8373728

>>8373715
qué

>> No.8373760

>>8373295
The edition in the OP is in the modern spelling conventions and font and all that. The only problem I find with the fraktur itt is the poor scanning of the pdf that makes e and k not look all that much like e and k.

The guy so far seems like a kind of anti-Heidegger or anti-existentialist in general. Quite interesting.

>> No.8373903

> /lit/ found someone dumber and edgier than Stirner

whew, I gotta get off this site

>> No.8375331

>>8373903
bump

>> No.8375389

>>8375331
You should have let it died . It's what Mainländer would have wanted.

The book itself seems fairly straightforward for the most part, but I can see a few spots where there's likely to be tripping up.

>> No.8375392

Bump

>> No.8376066

>>8375389
he would want us to read it and kys

>> No.8376278

>>8376066
I think we're meant to do shit before the whole suicide thing.

>> No.8376552

How can I learn German on the internet?

>> No.8376565

>>8376552
Duolingo is a good place to start but you should pick up a grammar text as well.

If anyone knows a good one I'm interested as well

>> No.8377531

>>8376278
such as?

>> No.8377699

>>8377531
Where there is Will there is life and where there is life there is Will.

I suspect his answer to the problem of Socrates is that the whole drinking hemlock thing was good, Socrates had done everything he as Socrates could do and so should bow out of Will and life altogether and allow other Wills and lives to prosper. But I'm not that far into it yet.

He also seems to make a lot of references to the crucifixion.

>> No.8379104

>page 10
Is this the end for the Messiah of social democracy?

>> No.8379595

>>8379104
You guys should start an IRC channel/email group or something and organize this. I'd help but I don't speak German nor am sufficient in English.

>> No.8381143

Bump

>> No.8381612

bump

>> No.8381940

Bump

>> No.8381961

>>8366626
Another german anon here, i don't have much time, but could help with editing/proofreading. I'm quite proficient in english.

>> No.8381961,1 [INTERNAL] 

bump