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You have TEN SECONDS to name just ONE reason why a book is better than a video game or a movie.

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>> No.830485
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>determinism.png

>> No.830488

You cant watch a move in the park or on the bus

>> No.830489

You've based your entire education in life off of material from books.

>> No.830497
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makes us use our imagination

>> No.830502

>>830488

Portable video games and movies

>> No.830503

>>830479

>picks up another book because the mediahype journalists neuro-determinists are still stuck in newtonian billiard ball land and know nothing of bonini's paradox or complexity theory or non-linear mathematical systems.

>> No.830505

Imagination > ultra gigapixel hd gaemen

>> No.830507

Books don't break if you drop it.

>> No.830520

because no one ever fights over what company gets to print the book

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830524

People who read books a lot are generally not pimply cheeto eating virgins who play WoW 6 hours a day.

>> No.830531

>>830505
>>830497
Reading someone elses ideas uses imagination

>> No.830534

Books contain more information at a more intellectually and emotionally complex level than video games do.

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>>830531
its called inspiration, faggot

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>>830534

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Cthulhu

/thread

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>>830542
oh shit son

>> No.830556

Rarely can a movie or video game develop themes to the extent that books can.

>> No.830560

Open to interpretation; as much as the author created the character, it is ultimately up to ME how it all goes down.

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830568

find me a finnegans wake or illuminatus trilogy video game, and we can start talking OP

>> No.830569

Books on average require some effort on the part of the reader on an intellectual level.

Videogames require effort in the sense that they require you to think in order to beat them, but they rarely make you think in a way where if you are failing to take in what's going on, you don't continue. There are some exceptions, but this is very rare. This is comparing books and videogames story-wise. Books don't require any time limits or hand-eye co-ordination so there is no pressure. So comparing them in that sense would be like comparing reading to football.

Movies or television, at least in my opinion can be even less engaging. At least for the worse ones. As they require no effort at all on behalf of the viewer, who is now free to unplug his or her mind and become a vegetable. There are a decent number of movies or TV programs that require brain activity, (much more than videogames) but still I'd say the majority leans the other way.

>> No.830572

Because not all books are for kids, unlike videogames.

>> No.830577

>>830568

Ocarina of Time is just as much a masterpiece as Finnegan's Wake

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>>830577

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>>830577
>Ocarina of Time is just as much a masterpiece as Finnegan's Wake

>> No.830584

Video games and movies require electricity to work. Books could be read with just the book and any light source.

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>>830577

>Ocarina of Time is just as much a masterpiece as Finnegan's Wake

>> No.830587

>>830577

and Grand Theft Auto is exactly the same as anything ever written by charles bukowski

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>>830577

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>>830577
>Ocarina of Time is just as much a masterpiece as Finnegan's Wake

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>>830577
>Ocarina of Time is just as much a masterpiece as Finnegan's Wake

seriously, is this the best you people got?

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>>830577
>>830587

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830631

this is so much win

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>>830577

pic related, its your face after:

>>830580
>>830582
>>830585
>>830590
>>830593

>> No.830647

>>830577
Even among video games, Ocarina of Time is a giant steaming pile of wet horse shit.

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>>830577

>> No.830661

I have no idea if its been said, but you can go through a book at your own pace and repeat parts if needed. Plus, the written word does something alchemical to the brain.

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>>830479

>> No.830690

I don't know what "better" means in this context. Do you mean "better at entertaining", "better at deepening cultural wealth", "better at improving your literary background", "better at selling"...? Because those will all get a different answer.

"Better" on its own means nothing. Things can just be better _at_ something.

>> No.830834

you play good games = geek
you read good books = intellectual

>> No.830835

wow

>> No.830863

>>830577
>>830577

no

>> No.830866

Poetry.

>> No.830868
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>>830587
truth hurts

>> No.830871

>>830524
As a cheeto eating virgin, I am offended by this.

>> No.830875

>>830524
That guys asian?
lolwut
I always thought that was George from seinfeld.

>> No.830890

Books don't need electricity

>> No.830903

>>830577
dude seriously.
ocarina of time is a masterpiece in GAMEPLAY not story.

>> No.830905

>>830690

Well said. It seems that people have turned this into a thread for describing the areas in which books are preferable to other media, anyways. Might as well contribute myself.

Things books have going for them, in my opinion:
-Longer history than movies and video games makes for more advanced and detailed theory and more of a canon from which to draw inspiration. Although film theory is pretty advanced, video games do not really have much theory around them as yet, as the craft has not developed and been studied enough.
-Don't require batteries or charging, and can be consumed without requiring the aid of special devices (unless it's dark, in which case you need only a light source)
-Inexpensive
-Exercise the minds of their consumers by requiring the reader to visualize and fill in the blanks where things are left unsaid
-Are not rendered obsolete by the advancement of technology, as are movies with special effects or video games
-You can select chapters to re-read at will, and take as long as you want to in doing it
-Don't tax the eyes like staring at a screen does
-Are made of trees, which are a renewable resource; movies and video games are packaged in plastics, which are made from oil and are non-biodegradable and non-renewable

That said... I'm kinda tempted to post the merits of video games and movies too ^_^;

>> No.830907

there are a wider variety of books

>> No.830910

Books can be art, video games cannot.

>> No.830914

Fuck off ebert

>> No.830915

>>830910

FFFF--

right. calming down. realizing I'm being trolled. releasing the anger.

>> No.830917

>>830569

if you've seen movies like Citizen Kane or Casablanca, then you'd realize that movies are more than just pictures on a screen.

>> No.830919

>>830915
google that phrase. do it.

>> No.830925

people in this thread seem to misunderstand what exactly "better" means. OP is most likely using the term "better", to describe it's level of entertainment. in other words; why are books more entertaining than video games or movies?

>> No.830938

>>830925

i still find books more entertaining than movies or video games.

>> No.830947

I don't have a reason. They're all good at depicting a certain story in different mediums. I choose to work with words because it's more fun and the ideas can be interpreted in more varied ways because you don't have an actual visual and only your imagination. But none are honestly better than the other. Certain stories should be told in certain ways. Point: a Bioshock book would suck ass (Atlas Shrugged)

>> No.830962

>>830925
because books can put you inside the head of the protagonist and you can hear what they are thinking and better understand why they are acting the way they are. with a movie or game protagonist you only have your own thought process with which to understand them.

the game "heavy rain" attempts to achieve this but from what Ive heard it fails

>> No.831041

>>830925
No, OP is using the term better to troll us.

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>> No.831049

comparisons are odious

>> No.831050

>>831047

OMG forrest

>> No.831059

BOOK QUALITY, UNLIKE MORE VISUAL MEDIUMS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRODUCTION VALUE. HOW GOOD A BOOK IS IS ONLY DECIDED BY ITS CONTENT.

>> No.831073

books don't use electricity

>> No.831085

Uhhhh kind of tough. First that comes to mind is authors usually do better reasearch about how things such as vehicles, weapons and tactics and politics actually work compared to movies. Since the author can't wow you visually, he wants to show you he did his research instead.

>> No.831092

>>830962
Heavy Rain honestly does the best any game can really come close to.

>> No.831108

>>831059
actually this is a valid point. when was the last time you heard of a book being rushed out because of budget issues. or of the story being compromised because they couldn't afford the appropriate special effects for a movie

>> No.831118

movies and games require huge amounts of money to produce and as a result fewer risks are taken to further the art

>> No.831128

>>831108
Well, there are cases of books being shortened due to costs of page manufacturing, and sometimes the story gets fucked because the writer just wants to finish the fucking thing (Dark Tower, anyone?).

>> No.831138

>>831085
also he doesn't have to pay potentially extravegant costs to find or build the perfect prop

>> No.832972

You can read a book in the train.

>> No.832986

You can borrow books from the library for free.
Video games cost money to rent.

>> No.832991

Textual allusion.

>> No.833002

>>832986
>You can borrow books from the library for free.
No you can't. At least not where I'm living.

>> No.833003

Atlas Shrugged is cool and all, but the game was better.

>> No.833006

books weigh less

>> No.833044

>>832991
Video games, as an art, are very competitive when it comes to the final product. They exist within a capitalistic market, which isn't overtly artistic. I know that this is rough to accept, but it's the truth. So, because of this market that governs the final product of almost any video game, there isn't too much observation of the history, culture and predecessors that ultimately lead to any new, specific creation.

Hardly any video games recursivley react to older generations of games, never mind predecessors.

This is exactly what makes literature alive and breathing --imitatio.

Imitatio is not inherent in the media genre of video games, therefore, the can never achieve the scholarly prominence of literature and it's ability to create creation through creation.

>> No.833049

>>833002
That's generally the point of a library, where do you live that libraries aren't free?

>> No.833056

>>833044
Also, excuse me for begging the question, but to get into this would require me to go completely off topic.

>> No.833057

>>833056
This is what I was referring to:

>I know that this is rough to accept, but it's the truth.

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>> No.833095

>>833049
The Netherlands. In the library in my town you have to pay a yearly fee (€ 36,00) and then you can rent books for "free"

>> No.833102

>>833095
How much does renting a video game cost in comparison?

>> No.833104 [DELETED] 

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>> No.833113

>>833095
That's the cost of a trip to the movies for two people. Spread out over a year. If you can't scrounge up that much for unlimited access to books, just stop reading.

>> No.833124

>>833044
The media are closer than you're suggesting, though I agree that games are more commercial.

Games use a shitload of imitation and reference older games quite often...it's just a much younger medium But seriously how many shooters have you seen since halo that don't have replenishing shields?

Also lots of books are written with a primary aim of selling books. Difference is that if you like literature, you have a much longer tail of past work to dip into and the bland turds just don't survive to come down to us.

Games have a LONG way to go but they are getting better year after year.

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>> No.833127

I dunno. I just prefer books. Cheaper.
Not that I don't fucken love games, don't get me wrong.

>> No.833134

>>833102
I have no idea.

>>833113
Money is not the problem. I buy all my books. I just wanted to point out that a library is not free (at least here)

>> No.833253

reading makes you a faggot /thread

>> No.833299

They're cheaper, both short term and long term.

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>> No.833355

Books are usually more intellectually and emotionally stimulating. Some movies and a few games get this, but for the most part, you're just shutting off most of your brain and killing time.

>> No.833378

Books are more fun. SO THERE.

>> No.833383

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>> No.833390

because the authors own work is always better than some big shot directors interpretation of it

>> No.833424

A girls reaction to the following:

"I read a lot"
>Oh, he must be smart
"I play videogames a lot"
>Nerd virgin loser manchild

QED, books are better.

>> No.833433

>>830631
Show this on /v/ and let them rage.

>> No.833437

>>833424
>implying that reading/playing video games in order to impress others instead of for personal enjoyment doesn't make me a total faggot

>> No.833444

>>833437

This is in the situation a girl asks you "What hobbies do you have?"

I'm not advocating just wondering up to girls telling them you read or play games out of the blue.

>> No.833447

Don't need electricity to enjoy it!

>> No.833484

Reading often introduces new ideas, vocabulary words, or other things that actually help expand the reader's mind. Playing MW2 five hours of day doesn't teach you much other than how to effectively spam the grenade launcher or knife someone. Which actually brings me to another point: reading (usually) doesn't tend to involve putting up with noisy pubescent children or neckbeards.

>> No.833504

>>833444
Reminds me of that thread some time back where the OP claimed to have run into two girls while buying The Brothers Karamazov, saying the book was about "god and the human condition" or some nonsense like that.

>> No.833507

Summer /lit/

>> No.835097

>>833095
That's fucked.

>> No.835100

Books are culture.

>> No.835108

>>835100

Whom do you serve, Ser Knight?

The Lion, or the Wolf?