>That difficult book on your shelf that you can't bring yourself to take up What's her name, /lit/? Let's convince one another to tackle these things

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Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:21:54 2016 No.8294418 [Reply] [Original]

>That difficult book on your shelf that you can't bring yourself to take up

What's her name, /lit/? Let's convince one another to tackle these things

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:23:21 2016 No.8294428 >>8294418 Difference and Repetition and a Thousand Plateaus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:23:50 2016 No.8294431 Joseph and his brothers..it's 1500 small font size pages D:

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:24:26 2016 No.8294436 Being and Nothingness. I'm waiting to get Being and Time and read it before the other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:24:48 2016 No.8294439 >>8294418 "The Complete Darwin"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:26:52 2016 No.8294446 File: 209 KB, 517x453, despair.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All of them I only read manga all day

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:27:27 2016 No.8294449

>>8294418

>CPS
>Hard

You just don't understand German writing.

The British tradition entails presenting the many parts of a given thing/concept/argument, often at the expense of the whole - thus leaving you unable to see the wood for the trees.

The German tradition however, which Kant exemplifies, presents you with the whole - often at the expense of the tradition. Kant leaves you frequently unable to see the trees for the wood. This why you can go a whole page until actually getting the point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:28:50 2016 No.8294460 >>8294449 >This why you can go Me Human. You retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:30:04 2016 No.8294465 being and time reading don quijote for the first atm

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:30:29 2016 No.8294467 File: 100 KB, 366x567, HegelAbsolut.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Das Kapital

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:31:20 2016 No.8294472 >>8294449 >notoriously complex text that philosophers continue to grapple with over two centuries later >some anon on /lit/ says its not hard and that I just don't understand German writing ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:31:52 2016 No.8294473 >>8294449 >This why you can go Me understand you say. Me think you right. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:31:58 2016 No.8294475 >>8294449 You are stupid.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:34:23 2016 No.8294489

>>8294472

The ideas are difficult to grasp. When most people complain about CPS, however, it's the actual reading of it they lament.

Content is not one in the same with readability.

>>8294460
>>8294473

I guess I lost the argument, huh? Typos, heh...

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:35:37 2016 No.8294497 It's Hegel's Science of Logic, but I don't have the Philosophical education to tackle it yet so I'm fine. For now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:36:40 2016 No.8294501 >>8294431 It's not a difficult book really, just long; kinda like Don Quixote.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:37:36 2016 No.8294507 >>8294489 I meant the ideas rather than the style. Though Kant is supposed to be a famously flat and humorless writer too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:37:48 2016 No.8294509 >>8294497 That one will probably remain forever unread. I've taken 3 seminars on Hegel's logic, with two of the worlds leading experts, have an extensive background in philosophy (including quite a lot of Kant) and I find it fucking impossible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:38:50 2016 No.8294515 >>8294467 Same with me brah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:40:14 2016 No.8294521 >>8294509 The parts dealing with mathematical infinity are... something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:40:18 2016 No.8294522 Moby Dick & Don Quixote I want to brush my reading chops a little bit more before tackling them, but I definitely will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:43:17 2016 No.8294538 >>8294522 Don Quixote is literally HS level bruh still the best novel ever made

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:47:14 2016 No.8294555

>>8294522
Moby Dick is a large and epic book, but its easily digestible. Melville is a poetic-prose kind of guy so its hardly a slog, except maybe during the whaling lore. Plus it has short chapters.

If you feel like you need to do some prep, I'd recommend reading some of the transcendentalists main essays and poems beforehand:

Ralph Waldo Emerson - Self-Reliance, Nature, Circles
Henry David Thoreau - Civil Disobedience
Whitman - Song of Myself, Crossing Brooklyn Ferry

That should be enough to give Moby Dick some scope

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:49:52 2016 No.8294571 >>8294472 This always cracks me up too

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:04:31 2016 No.8294638 >>8294460 Fuck you, literally one word omitted

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:15:00 2016 No.8294680

>>8294538
The extended and antiquated English makes it hard to focus sometimes, it may be the translation I have (B&N Classic). I finished the first part at least and loved it.

I think you're being very disingenuous with DQ being high-school tier. But then again I didn't finish HS lol

>>8294555
With Moby Dick it really is about the length, same as Quixote. The prose doesn't bother me and I really enjoy it, its just sometimes I'd go onto finish something else and forget about it.

Strange I've managed to keep reading Musashi consistently though, and its longer than both of them.

Thanks for the reccs though, I think I'll enjoy them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:23:18 2016 No.8294704 >>8294418 Tractatus only book I have given up reading because I wasn't getting it at all and I have read plenty of Kant Hegel and so on. will give it another go sometime

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:24:36 2016 No.8294710 >>8294467 Capital isn't difficult it's just really long and poorl edited

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:27:23 2016 No.8294722 >>8294436 That's nonsense. Being and Time is much more difficult than Sartre's and they really don't have anything to do with each other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:30:35 2016 No.8294735 >>8294704 I was like this for a while. Then I started reading it upside down and it makes much more sense. In all seriousness, read the derivative statements back toward the overarching ones and this might help. Also just read a synopsis first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:42:42 2016 No.8294767 >>8294710 OK, what's the difference

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:43:42 2016 No.8294773 Tractatus Logicus Philosophicus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:48:41 2016 No.8294789 File: 15 KB, 244x300, Foucault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Madness and Civilisation. I'm enjoying it and considering Foucault's arguments a lot recently, but Christ lads is it a struggle to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:51:11 2016 No.8294795 Enten eller(Aut aut in some countries) by Kierkegaard Not hard, but I feel like I need to read more about the plays that A talks about before continuing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:52:54 2016 No.8294809 >>8294418 >>That difficult book on your shelf that you can't bring yourself to take up life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:54:46 2016 No.8294820 File: 41 KB, 300x430, Psychologische_Typen_(Jung_book)_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8294418 This

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 19:25:44 2016 No.8294924 About a dozen books and plays in French and Spanish that I haven't been reading on account of me being a bit shit at French and Spanish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:53:39 2016 No.8295189 >>8294418 Du contrat social It's in french and I know I'll have to look up words a decent amount and I don't want to

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:59:58 2016 No.8295211 Nausea by Sartre Started like 5-6 times but I just can't bring myself to get past the first chapter. It's just so fucking boring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:17:09 2016 No.8295264 Phenomenology of Spirit The Dialectic of Enlightenment The World as Will and Representation I'm not educated enough to really comprehend them.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:21:59 2016 No.8295283

The last 600 pages of Infinite Jest. I read the last 15 pages and several analyses of the ending which pretty much spoiled the main plot for me (which I kind of anticipated anyway after the first 150 pages). I'm just kind of going through it to bask in DFW's great writing, with zero intentions in finishing it. I hear other people who quit IJ in the middle find themselves going back to it after reading Consider The Lobster and learning more about DFW. I can see that.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:26:22 2016 No.8295293

bought 'phenomenology of spirit' when i was a bit younger and just getting into lit.

...it's still sitting there unread. now i know just enough to be legitimately afraid of diving in earnestly. i didn't know that there were many many levels to this shit. in five years i might take a tentative stab at it, lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:42:49 2016 No.8295354 >>8294467 >>8294710 flows nicely after chapter 3 i believe

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:03:25 2016 No.8295430

>>8295211
Tbh, Sartre is only a decent writer and philosopher. However, I read La Nausée on a night train that was basically empty. The combination of the darkness and silence really increased the feelings of pointlessness and I ended up feeling really weird. Try and do the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:07:49 2016 No.8295442 >>8295283 what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:23:45 2016 No.8295485 >>8294418 It's much easier 200 pages in after he's laid out the actual foundations of his philosophy and started applying it. Have you read Aristotle, Plato, Descartes, Leibniz, and Hume? Those are almost required reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:30:03 2016 No.8295498 File: 431 KB, 596x617, 1388902589435.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Looks like everyone who failed to start with the Greeks is congregating in this thread huh

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:49:09 2016 No.8295565 [Spoiler]the brothers Karamazov[/spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:50:18 2016 No.8295571 >>8295565 You aren't making a very good first impression here

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:53:03 2016 No.8295581 >>8295571 I just feel like most of it goes over my head and I'll be confused half way through the book. I'm not stupid by any means, I'm just afraid of not understanding its deeper themes. Probably due to the anxiety I suffer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:53:16 2016 No.8295585 >>8294680 the manga is better desu

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:54:15 2016 No.8295588

A tale of two cities.

I have owned this book for about five years, and have never got past the second chapter. I keep reading about how it is Dicken's best novel, but i always find another book to read whenever i finish the one i'm reading. For example, i'm reading the plague, and planning to read TCOL49 after.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:57:46 2016 No.8295600 >come post a hard book you're waiting to read >Wait there actually are no hard books everyone in this thread is just stupid

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:06:03 2016 No.8295630
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>>8294418
Actually finishing Infinite Jest. I'm 350 pages in, but I just got Dostoevsky, Melville, Plato, and Cervantes, and I feel like, having understood the concepts and theme of IJ so far, my time would be better served in these formative years of my literary journey reading more classics (I've already read Homer & Joyce).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:06:53 2016 No.8295632 >>8294428 His ideas make more sense if you have any experience with bookkeeping, or, more generally making tables for functions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:11:37 2016 No.8295654 >>8294509 If I ever had any interest in reading Hegel's books, you destroyed it. Thanks for saving me time.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:13:32 2016 No.8295668
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>>8294789

I agree. Started reading >pic related last year. Didn't want to take margin notes so I used loose leaf. Ended up writing a ton, getting lost and giving up after page 80.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:20:53 2016 No.8295693

>>8294449
Took two courses on Kant in college. Dude can go fuck himself. There's no reason for that type of prose.

The whole "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you" is bullshit anyways, which is essentially what the categorical imperative is. For instance, if I don't cheat on my gf because I don't want her to cheat on me/ I don't want other people cheating on their spouses, then I'm basically living my life in fear. I'd only be doing good things/not doing bad things because I don't want bad shit to happen to me. It's in line with the idea of karma which is also bullshit. You should be a good person because you have feelings and empathy, not because of some goddamn golden rule based on fear and "Oh I should live my life how I want everyone else to live".

Idk. It's been a while since I read that shit but I remember it being ridiculously abstract and dense. I'm sure I misinterpreted it, but there's no way that I just "don't understand German writing". You're a faggot for even entertaining that idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:21:51 2016 No.8295695 File: 42 KB, 313x475, 17208457.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't get it, and I don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:22:06 2016 No.8295696 I got half way thru Wittgensteins Philosophical Investigations with a supplementary thing, but havent tried returning to it in a year. Every time, its just read the same 2 pages and go, ahh screw it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:15:17 2016 No.8296051

>>8295693
The largest problem with Kantian ethics is, as described by Jonathan Haidt in the book The Righteous Mind, "Kant provided an abstract rule from which (he claimed) all other valid moral rules could be derived. He called it the categorical (or unconditional) imperative. 'Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.'" The Kant quote is from Grounding For the Metaphysics of Morals. You simply can't create a universal system of ethics, and you don't need to in order to live ethically (see existential ethics/The Ethics of Ambiguity-Beauvoir). That being said, Kant's work has immense historical value as it has influenced basically the past 250 years of philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:16:52 2016 No.8296057 >>8295696 If you're interested in Wittgenstein, you should check out the blue book, which contains a lot of his notes on the philosophy of language, truth, etc.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:42:44 2016 No.8296110

>>8294789
>i'll give you a topic

I read History of Sexuality and Discipline & Punish. Pretty thin and "easy." Still, I got a lot out of them. I would read Madness, it LOOKS like it's up my alley, but I have a feeling I know exactly where Michel will go with it only for having read those other two already.

Hey. If I'm outta line: Foucault disciples of /lit/ let me know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:56:42 2016 No.8296153 >>8294418 Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:58:11 2016 No.8296155 >>8295581 >I'm not stupid ok buddy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:01:44 2016 No.8296303 File: 9 KB, 316x475, 403475.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apparently I'm not sophisticated for this book yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:09:11 2016 No.8296307 A book of ancient texts such as the epic of Gilgamesh, illiad, etc. Can't bring myself to read it at all and it's borrowed so I have to return it soon. Fuck, I'll probably motivate myself to just fucking read it and get over it. But god damn...

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:29:23 2016 No.8296354
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War and Peace.

I started it when I was in middle school, got bored with it, returned to it in college but someone spilled coffee on the first 1/5ish of the book and now I can't work up the willpower and I've never been able to care about old rich Russian drama and politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:36:45 2016 No.8296373 >>8296153 Been trying to work up the courage for this one, I'm just not sure I could fully appreciate the prose and preserve the novelty during a first read through at the same time

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:43:51 2016 No.8296392

>>8295693
I personally feel the entire narrative of that idea changes depending on whether you look at it selflessly or selfishly. If the only reason you do it is because you don't want that exact thing done to you and not doing it is somehow a deterrent of it happening to you then you're missing the point. However, if you just wanted to make life better for other people by treating them to the same desires you have, knowing full well that bad things can and will still happen to you, then I think you're doing what the idea intends

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:57:25 2016 No.8296407 did i fuck up when i bought being and nothingness as my first philosophy book?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:09:22 2016 No.8296428 >>8296407 What were you thinking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:10:32 2016 No.8296431 >>8296407 nah just read the wiki summary and spout a few big words at random or concepts with friends and you'll fit in as a pseud in no time. what do you think you fucking dunce, you're skipping thousand years of philosophy for what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:17:14 2016 No.8296437 >>8295581 This post really saddens me because you've already lost and you don't even know it. You're a cautionary tale in un-self awareness

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:57:29 2016 No.8296493 >>8295693 The trick to enjoy Kant is to pretend he never wrote the Critic of Practical Reason

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:00:55 2016 No.8296499 Faust part 2. I didn't find the first difficult but I felt I missed a lot since it wasn't the 10/10 must read classic I was assuming it would've been, like The Odyssey, Moby Dick, Don Quixote etc

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:06:27 2016 No.8296504 >>8296307 Seriously? Epic of Gilgamesh is like 150 pages. Iliad has a lot of action and great characters and is 300 or so pages.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:12:07 2016 No.8296523
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The difficulty comes from it being French. I figure that if I'm constantly looking shit up while reading Maupassant, I'm probably not ready for this yet.

>>8296499
It's so easy to miss so much when it comes to Faust.
It's my favourite book, above those others that you mentioned, though the language also is a big part (I speak German, I don't know how good the translations are).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:14:52 2016 No.8296531 >>8294418 The Oxen of the Sun chapter of Ulysses is up next.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:14:55 2016 No.8296532 >>8296523 I'm very very slowly going through The King James Bible hoping it will help be appreciate other works, like Faust and in a year or 4 I will get around to reading both again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:17:31 2016 No.8296540 File: 66 KB, 547x840, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this hard to read

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:51:04 2016 No.8296605 File: 45 KB, 351x500, 6353.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Having trouble with this one. There's some big words in there!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 05:55:29 2016 No.8296616 >>8294722 The title in English

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 06:10:46 2016 No.8296649 >>8294418 The Very Hungry Caterpillar by Eric Carle

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 06:34:15 2016 No.8296702 >>8296531 It is a tough read but the prose makes it do-able. I thought Ithaca and Circe was far more frustrating

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 06:48:38 2016 No.8296740 I don't read so... all of them? The especially Hegel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 06:51:33 2016 No.8296748 >>8296740 I can't even type

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:16:34 2016 No.8296936 >>8296702 Circe is fun as fuck though and goes by quickly. And Ithaca is best episode.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:05:30 2016 No.8297049 >>8296057 I'll check it out. Thanks

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:11:36 2016 No.8297065

>>8296499
Well i can say that its not a book to read 1 or 2 times. Its a book to read countless of times. The first time i read Faust i got almost nothing. Then i tried again couple months after and then i started o think i got the point. After that i bought the best translation known in my language (and it waa expensive) with heavy footnotes, background insights either from the translator and Goethe(this edition is filled with Goethes correpondences with schiller and cia about the subjects in Faust) just then i really got it, even though i feel that i need to read it about 3 more times to completly get it.

I made all this effort because in the first time i read Faust, i felt like Goethe was trying to say something big, working on subjects that i myself are very thrilled for. But i guess it was in part because it was basically my very first contact with high poetry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:12:46 2016 No.8297070 >>8294418 There's a bunch of people trying to read Heidegger's Being and Time here. All of you should first read his short essay "What is Metaphysics?" and check your understanding with lectures on YouTube before trying it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:36:46 2016 No.8297519

>>8296531
I just finished that. It starts off very fun and as it progresses I began to understand less and less, until I was left with finnegans-wake-esque prose.

>>8296936
So far, circe just seems to be a jumbled mess of characters that can't be distinguished as hallucinations or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:41:25 2016 No.8297534 >>8295211 It takes a bit to pick up, but it all comes together beautifully to be honest. It's a really vanilla example of existentialism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:46:49 2016 No.8297558 File: 1.97 MB, 413x292, KemzR6O.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8295581 You don't suffer from anxiety. But rather the fear of being stupid.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:55:14 2016 No.8297579

The 'Myth of Sisyphus' has been a bit of a grueling, difficult experience. I suppose it's been challenging because I like to read to relax before bed and this is absolutely not the kind of book that you doze off to sleep with. It's not so much the actual concepts that I struggle with, but the references to other philosophers and schools of thought with which I'm completely unfamiliar.

I put it down about a week ago and started reading 'Fear and Trembling' instead. Slightly less dense prose, but still nothing I can plow through with any reasonable speed if I'm interested in actually comprehending what's being said. These are the first two philosophy books I've chosen to read. Fairly content with my choices so far. Up next are Nietzsche's 'The Birth of Tragedy' and 'On the Genealogy of Morals'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:58:50 2016 No.8297587 Spinozas ethics I just don't get it, its so overly complicated

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:04:13 2016 No.8297601 >>8297587 I can subscribe to this.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:41:23 2016 No.8297725

>>8297579
Birth of Tragedy will be completely impossible without knowing some Greek tragedy (I had read only Bacchae, Prometheus, and Philoctetus for my first read through and I was more or less fine; the sort of "point" of the entire book is basically the plot of Bacchae though).

Genealogy will be a slog without at least a cursory understanding of Plato, but you should be okay as long as you check unknown references with the stanford wiki. First time through it seems a little red pill-y but Nietzsche even trashes red pill-ers directly by the end, it's his best work imo.

Have you read Dostoevsky's Notes From the Underground yet? That might be a better choice than BoT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:46:21 2016 No.8297747 File: 58 KB, 1000x1522, ontologie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8296523 Bon courage dans l'apprentissage du français.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:46:23 2016 No.8297748 >>8297579 The Myth of Sisyphus was one of the first philosophy books I read and I found it quite easy and enjoyable. Maybe I just misunderstood it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:49:48 2016 No.8297765 >>8297747 Merci, mon ami.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:01:36 2016 No.8297816

>>8294722
I thought that Sartre based his method of study in Husserl's phenomenology and founded the existentialist philosophy upon Heidegger's philosophy. I remember he said somewhere that the three representatives of existentialism were Kierkegaard, Heidegger and him. I just thought it'd convenient to have an idea of both Kierkegaard and Heidegger, after having covered some Husserl, in order to have a better understanding of being and time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:02:37 2016 No.8297818 >>8294795 Either/Or?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:02:56 2016 No.8297822 >>8296605 >being this autistic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:24:25 2016 No.8297895 >>8294418 "Anti-Oedipus" by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:24:00 2016 No.8298102 >>8297816 Read Jean Gebser's "The Ever-Present Origin" and you can dispense with the Existentialists

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:34:33 2016 No.8298347 >>8297818 Exactly

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:37:40 2016 No.8298356

>>8297816
>I thought that Sartre based his method of study in Husserl's phenomenology and founded the existentialist philosophy upon Heidegger's philosophy

He does but the key word is "based", e.g he doesn't follow in the phenomenological tradition in the same way.

Sartre focuses more on mood relating to interpersonal situations than Heidegger does. Heidegger is interested in what kind of mood, and what kind of language gives you a glimpse of Being.

Sartre is more interested in overcoming nihilism, at leas that's how I see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:49:28 2016 No.8298390 File: 224 KB, 1580x1600, 1466476155114.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8297822 >taking the bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:57:03 2016 No.8298405 >>8294418 >implying I am not still reading the Greeks just finished Herodotus lads and it was a big fucking tome of epicness though dense as fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:07:26 2016 No.8298439 File: 2.46 MB, 320x320, tmp_22601-14653742188351148149388.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8298390 >taking his ironic bait inb4 someone says that I took an ironic bait too

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:49:30 2016 No.8298519 File: 249 KB, 863x752, 1441734466305.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8298405 >tfw been reading the Greeks for almost a year now

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:34:09 2016 No.8298626 >>8297895 ohhhh boy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:22:32 2016 No.8298782 prisoners, by kandy von vantula its just fucking inaccessible

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:29:27 2016 No.8298813 Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter I palpably feel like I'm not a big enough autist to get it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 20:16:24 2016 No.8299148

>>8295264
>The World as Will and Representation
It's not really very hard to read, it's just that the first 200 pages are kind of a reiteration of Kant. Schopenhauer himself said that you only really need Plato and Kant to understand him. And I think there's an appendix which you can read which is really helpful in summing up Kant anyway, so you should be alright.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 20:17:13 2016 No.8299151 >>8295585 No its not, and I started with the manga.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 20:20:48 2016 No.8299158 ulysses james joyce

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 20:31:43 2016 No.8299204 File: 159 KB, 372x360, 1444271955442.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wouldn't it be easier for you guys to read analytic philosophy instead of obscurantist continental philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 20:47:32 2016 No.8299259 >>8299204 >caring about difficulty at all Your ignorance is showing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:35:18 2016 No.8299389 Dostoyevski's "Demons". Too many characters to read each page just once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:37:47 2016 No.8299398 >>8294436 Being and Time is by far the harder read

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:50:01 2016 No.8299570 >>8294446 mods pls pin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:38:37 2016 No.8300129 >>8299389 Write down all of their names and use the list as a book mark; the Russian naming system can have one guy with 3 names.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:46:57 2016 No.8300149 >>8300129 >the Russian naming system can have one guy with 3 names. Why do they do this? That shit was really confusing and annoying when starting to read Brothers Karamazov.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:48:31 2016 No.8300154 The Catcher in the Rye.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:14:49 2016 No.8300209 >>8294509 pleb >>8294497 read zizek's "less than nothing" (his megabook on hegel)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:17:05 2016 No.8300212 >>8299148 And the Upanishads

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:21:00 2016 No.8300216 >>8295264 >>8295293 read m. inawood's book on hegel for phenomenology of spirit >>8297895 keep it on the shelf unread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:26:59 2016 No.8300227 I would say Gödel, Escher, Bach, and that's only because of the length and my poor understanding of logic.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:27:41 2016 No.8300229

>>8295693
This. I haven't read Cunt but does the fact that I am suicidal mean I can go around shooting people because I am ostensibly okay with dying? Of course not. One has to assume what's good for the goose is good for the gander to live by the Golden Rule.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:36:19 2016 No.8300332
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>>8300227
working through this right now.
its pretty fun.

i was going to read philsophical devices, but smullyan is just too much of a character and i wanted a more technical treatment.

i recommend little schemer as well... not for the logic proper (there is almost none of that), but for its ability to clear out some of the mental fog you might be experiencing (or at least ease its passing with silliness and enthusiasm).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:52:07 2016 No.8300362 >>8295693 >>8296051 >>8300229 The categorical imperative is not a transliteration of the Golden Rule. The categorical imperative is purely formal--it commands only the form a maxim must take, i.e. one of universal domain.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:03:05 2016 No.8300375

>>8300229
Yeah you definitely haven't read Kant, or even the definition of categorical imperative
It's not the golden rule, even if it may seem so at first glance
Don't get me wrong, I'm >>8296493 so I think that it's all bullshit, but slightly more nuanced bullshit than that Christian thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:14:09 2016 No.8300386 >>8300362 >>8300375 This was my point you bastards. I just wanted to say how the golden rule isn't some trump-card moral standard everyone makes it out to be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:23:20 2016 No.8300402 >>8300386 If you are still trying to disprove Kant by saying the Golden rule is not the best moral standard you have severe problem with reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:33:09 2016 No.8300417 >>8296493 thank you. i heard prolegomena helps too. also, this >>8295693 has to be bait.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:40:51 2016 No.8300440 >>8300417 Yeah, prolegomena and the critic of pure reason is Kant at its best imo, if you like me don't really care about his aesthetic studies Critic of practical seems like a different person to me

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:59:47 2016 No.8300472

>>8294418

I started to read Dr. Faustus and left it on the shelf shortly after. It is definetly not written for casual reading and I had other books I wanted to finish aswell. After I have finished them I might tackle this one.
Although the first chapter already gave me the bad aftertaste of someone trying to appeal to Goethe and definetely not being up for the task. Does it get better?

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 06:17:23 2016 No.8300497
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>>8300402
I'm not trying to disprove Kant. I am trying to reprove the concept of societies adopting absolute moral standards. Sure the Golden Rule looks good on paper but it is essentially meaningless because it implicitly says you should actually consider what the other person values and since you have no concept of that you are meant to defer to the letter of the law and popular opinion in order to interpret the "golden rule" in the first place. For instance just because I don't want to cut my own penis off doesn't mean I am supposed to be unsympathetic when someone wants to transition. Its basically just a tool to disguise autocracy. And not to speak against Kant's ideas but I am sure if the standard was the categorical imperative, it would be abused in a similar fashion.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 06:26:05 2016 No.8300513

>>8300497
I don't know why you keep repeating this argument when we all agree that the golden rule is bullshit
Nobody in this thread said otherwise

As to the need or lack thereof of absolute moral standard if your only argument against absolute morality is that one of the most widely accepted moral "rule" in the Western world it's actually meaningless let's just say it's a pretty weak one
I do agree with you that absolute moral standards can't really be achieved and that there is no need to, but you can't make that follow from the disproval of one single moral rule

Sorry if it's not really clear but I'm not a native English speaker so my prose may be a little awkward

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 06:30:24 2016 No.8300524 >>8300513 I don't know, my dude. I felt like I was just trying to make a comment in passing and then other people tried to turn it into an argument and all I did in response was clarify that my position had nothing to do with Kant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 07:02:38 2016 No.8300576 >>8300149 Name, surname and name of your father + 'vich' Dmitry Fedorovich Karamazov

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 07:18:56 2016 No.8300598

>>8300497

There is a damn reason why the categorical imperative is NOT the golden rule. They are not the same thing and are building up on entirely different premises.

All you show with your shitposting is that you did not understand the categorical imperative.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 07:28:35 2016 No.8300620

>>8295283
Also read a supposedly fun thing I'll never do again, the essay in it about irony and tv helps you understand his purposes in writing IJ a lot better. But read both of those essay collections so you can appreciate his writing when you tackle IJ again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 08:58:03 2016 No.8300770 File: 196 KB, 982x1560, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have never been capable of finishing it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 09:06:50 2016 No.8300793 >>8300209 I've read some parts of it and frankly, it doesn't help much, Zizek's writing meanders too much and tries to choke the book full of useless references, it's tiresome.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 09:51:55 2016 No.8300862 >>8294522 Don Quixote is long, but not even a bit tiring. It's not complex or archaic, and it's one of the best things you will ever read.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 09:54:34 2016 No.8300869 >>8294467 Read the part on Primitive Accumulation (the last part) first, then go back to the start.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 10:09:24 2016 No.8300896 >>8300770 It was fucking abysmal I had to read it in grade 7 and we even watched the movie. I mean, RIP and all but holy shit young girls are boring

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 10:09:50 2016 No.8300898 File: 494 KB, 2048x1536, Anne-Frank.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8300770 >?!!??!?!?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 10:50:38 2016 No.8300998 >>8296407 get some plato, find it easy to read then read other stuff then come back to plato and realise you didn't get it at all repeat

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 10:57:43 2016 No.8301013 >>8294418 What the fuck is a difficult book? You do understand the language, you can look up the words you don't understand ... how is it supposed to be difficult?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 11:01:16 2016 No.8301027 File: 478 KB, 140x105, 1319751165516.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8300770 >tfw you will never be the German soldier that new the family was hidden there but you kept it secret to protect that smile

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 11:31:41 2016 No.8301105 >>8300896 It's fiction that was ghost written by a man named Otto Frank after the war. I think he was a children's author of other works too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 11:43:49 2016 No.8301139 >>8301105 Let me guess, the holocaust didn't happen right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 12:56:02 2016 No.8301325 >>8300896 First time on /lit/, didn't think it'd be filled with underage children too. >>8301027 She was an angel. >>8301105 Idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:07:19 2016 No.8301361 >>8300896 This. It was boring as fuck, nothing ever happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:10:51 2016 No.8301380 >>8301361 Did you want her to start Anne Franks army in the underground, who lure nazies into hidding places and stab them to death?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:16:06 2016 No.8301391 >>8301380 Do you want paint drying on a wall to do that? Or is it just boring as fuck either way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:19:50 2016 No.8301406 >>8294789 lol thats his easiest reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:27:20 2016 No.8301423 I have a few. Conference of the Birds Hopscotch The Myth of Sisyphus Simulacra and Simulation I've attempted to read all of them but they're too dense and I'm not very intelligent

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:27:44 2016 No.8301425 Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture Right after I finish this breezy JG Ballard novel I'm gonna get on that ;)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 13:34:07 2016 No.8301438 >>8295668 This shit is downright unreadable

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 21:15:47 2016 No.8303000 >>8301423 I read Hopscotch a month ago, in chronological order. Now I have to read it again with the prescindible chapters.

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