/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.8246170]

what's the most avant garde literature that isn't pretentious self-indulgent wanky shite? pic related

[Anonymous No.8246177]

Wayside school

[Anonymous No.8246189]

mon mem(e)oir tbqh

[Anonymous No.8246664]

[Anonymous No.8246835]

Five Spice Street. I recommend reading at least the first chapter.

[Anonymous No.8247130]

>>8246170
Is there any a avant-garde that won't be considered self-indulgent? Doesn't the term imply certain mannerisms, a radical originality one way or another, if not a certain arrogance towards the perceived mainstream? If it does, then any avant-garde is prone to be perceived as wankery at some point.

For example, I was going to recommend a few key surrealist texts, such as The Hearing Trumpet or Paris Peasant, but they sure as hell are self-indulgent. This doesn't make them necessarily bad, if you know what you're up for.

[Anonymous No.8248252]

>>8246170
fault in our stars

[Anonymous No.8248426]

Perec est l'autisme fait littérature. ça ne plaît qu'aux autistes réprimés. d'ailleurs, c'est peut être ça l'avant-garde après tout...

>>8246189
>tbqh

non.

[Anonymous No.8248437]

>>8246170
It's not avant garde. He just succeeded in not using the letter "e".

[Anonymous No.8248444]

is that shit translatable?

[Anonymous No.8248458]

>>8248444
>>8248437
A Hungarian eszperente translation would be fun.
It's a game where we use no other vowel but 'e'.

[Anonymous No.8248489]

Can something be avante-garde without opening itself up to a dismissal as pretentious?

[Anonymous No.8248629]

Queneau, I'd say. Excercices de style was amazing, Zazie is also supposed to be good but I haven't read it.
Both Oulipo, so maybe that had something to do with it.

[Anonymous No.8248630]

>>8248458
He actually wrote a lipogram containing solely the letter E.

Perec was dope, this >>8248426 frog is the actual autist, I bet he reads Houllebecq (an actual autist). For all his OuLiPo gimmicks and shit, he always managed to deliver good stories, ranging from absolutely wacky to extremely moving.

Life: A user's manual is one of my favourite books ever, and I've been planning to start collecting Disparition translations for a while (so far, I only have two, since my country's currency is low as shit)

[Anonymous No.8248767]

>>8248444
It's been translated into a number of languages, actually. Not necessarily without the letter 'e' though, IIRC Perec chose the 'e' because it's the most common in French, whereas it would be the 'a' in Italian, for example.

[Anonymous No.8248774]

In spanish, tho

[Anonymous No.8248838]

César Aira is good.

[Anonymous No.8249007]

currently reading pic related

[Anonymous No.8249015]

>>8246170
>most avant garde literature that isn't pretentious self-indulgent wanky shite
>oulipo
Pick one

[Anonymous No.8249268]

is this avant garde?

[Anonymous No.8249653]

>>8248629
The english version of Zazie is very good, you should read it.

[Anonymous No.8249674]

>>8249007
That book certainly is "pretentious self-indulgent wanky shite".

Read that book and take something intelligent from it, I dare you.

[Anonymous No.8249685]

>>8246170

Petersburg? Then again it's more experimental.

[Anonymous No.8249858]

>>8249674
There's a chapter in which they start doing measurements and at some point you get presented a scientific explanation of how the sound they used to calculate the distances between certain walls in the hall was affected by the uncommon concentrations of gases in the air, at which point they realize they got the materials wrong and whatnot.
There are also a lot of fragments about architecture and some philosophy about nothingness.
TLDR: Can be cherry-picked.

But then again, I didn't start reading it expecting to "gain intelligence" by doing so.