>People on this board are unironically Marxists

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Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:00:16 2016 No.8195788 [Reply] [Original]

>People on this board are unironically Marxists

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:02:21 2016 No.8195801 People here are supporting Bremain, of course they are marxists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:02:30 2016 No.8195803 this desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:03:36 2016 No.8195806 I'm not a marxist but I am a leftist-hegelian. OP needs to read a book.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:04:35 2016 No.8195812 retard frogfaggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:05:46 2016 No.8195821 good

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:18:36 2016 No.8195880 >>8195806 Kys

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:19:37 2016 No.8195882 >>8195788 What'

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:20:38 2016 No.8195885 s up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:20:59 2016 No.8195889 >>8195788 Yuri was right, and these people just aren't smart enough to see they're being duped.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:22:52 2016 No.8195899 Marxism, despite its historical shortcomings, is still a perfectly valid economic school of thought to be studied. You shouldn't let your apprehensions about regressive leftism and the like delude your thoughts about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:23:24 2016 No.8195904 File: 89 KB, 600x833, CTPYI3-UcAAI9b9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195788 Hell yeah. >>8195889 >Yuri shiggy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:24:03 2016 No.8195907 >>8195889 >>>/pol/ >>8195899 >leftism >regressive

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:24:22 2016 No.8195909 >>8195899 do you know how many people have died because of marxism?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:25:25 2016 No.8195915 File: 132 KB, 532x484, 1462841109087.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195909 Not enough.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:26:34 2016 No.8195923

>>8195907
>implying regressive leftism doesn't exist
>implying that people don't unreasonably disregard all leftist views because of their indignation towards regressivism, as evident from most peoples opinions on this website

You are flat out retarded. You should be agreeing with me.

>>8195909
That's what I meant by historical shortcomings.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:26:38 2016 No.8195924 >>8195909 I love fascist heads getting beaten in with baseball bats

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:26:59 2016 No.8195928 they're not serious people, don't worry about them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:27:25 2016 No.8195930 >>8195923 leftism is never regressive you tard >>8195928 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:28:00 2016 No.8195934 >>8195923 >Regressive leftism >Existing It's literally just the new alt-right snarl buzzword.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:28:06 2016 No.8195935 >>8195928 The alt-right is filled with very serious people. American conservatives are very serious people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:29:46 2016 No.8195943 >>8195935 >The alt-right is filled with very serious people. didn't realise I implied that

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:30:19 2016 No.8195946
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>>8195788
Even if you don't agree with his solutions, Marx had valuable criticisms of capitalism. Reading Marxists is essential if you want to understand how the West became a multicultural supermarket

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:31:07 2016 No.8195948 >>8195943 So who is very serious in your mind. Implying there aren't serious people in a certain group implies there are elsewhere. Here? There are not, however. So I'm curious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:31:13 2016 No.8195949 >>8195924 my grandfather escaped from communist russia. his relatives died in gulags... stalin made his parents eat feces. i can't believe you are defending such a disgusting ideology. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:32:01 2016 No.8195952 File: 90 KB, 763x768, 1466117129385.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195949 Your grandfather defo deserved it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:32:06 2016 No.8195953 >>8195924 >I love fascism Secretly, every leftist thinks like you

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:33:00 2016 No.8195954 >>8195949 I wasn't responding about communist Russia you dumbo. I was talking about European anarchists. A fair few fascists met nail bomb death as well if that's any better. I think it is.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:33:30 2016 No.8195961 [DELETED]

>>8195930
>>8195934
Alright then, what would you call all of the Keep living in your fantasy land. There are literally real life solid examples of people who have displayed regressive leftism. Every pro-multicultural feminist who defends Islam is retracting their own feminist views for the sake of accommodation. How could it be a made of buzzword if it can be applied, by definition, to these such scenarios?

Keep up with the mental gymnastics, I don't care.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:33:44 2016 No.8195963 >>8195953 >Secretly . . . i . . . like you. wew lad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:34:31 2016 No.8195966 >>8195934 it is, but i agree that BLM protesters who cry about cultural appropriation are regressive. they seem to think culture should exist in a box, much like fascists do.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:34:35 2016 No.8195967 >>8195953 Killing people is not uniquely fascist. If it was, America would certainly fit fascist (more than it already does.)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:34:45 2016 No.8195970 >>8195961 Okay, give an example then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:35:07 2016 No.8195972 >>8195954 >>8195935 >>8195967 IGNORE THE TUMBLR FEMINIST SHILL TRIPFAG

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:35:07 2016 No.8195973 >>8195934 >tolerating homophobia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, and terrorism because you're too afraid to say "bad Muslim" is not a regression from progressive social views Maybe you just don't know what progressive and regressive mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:35:42 2016 No.8195975 >>8195948 European Nationalism Political Islam Chinese state capitalism Leftists are mostly tools of neoliberalism at this point (don't forget to vote Bremain!)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:36:01 2016 No.8195980 File: 50 KB, 609x960, 1465855561427.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195966 >I don't support BLM tho I do agree "cultural appropriation" is stupid, not that it's "regressive" but it's just a plain old spook.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:36:20 2016 No.8195982 >>8195961 >mental gymnastics the left is all about that, which is a good thing there's a reason why the left wing is for intellectuals

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:36:43 2016 No.8195984 >>8195967 i hate you, but yes America is already pretty fucking fascist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:36:48 2016 No.8195985 File: 14 KB, 146x167, asdfdasf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195953 >>8195963

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:37:03 2016 No.8195986 >>8195973 Okay. Who does this?

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:37:07 2016 No.8195987 >>8195972 Screaming to ignore me is more annoying than me just posting. It's like screaming 'HELP HELP! STOP FALLING FOR BAIT!", nobody likes it. It doesn't help anyone. Only wieners do it. Don't be a wiener, son.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:37:29 2016 No.8195991

>>8195930
>>8195934
(Reposting because I fucked up the first time)

Alright then, keep living in your fantasy land. There are literally real life solid examples of people who have displayed regressive leftism. Every pro-multicultural feminist who defends Islam is retracting their own feminist views for the sake of accommodation. How could it be a made of buzzword if it can be applied, by definition, to these such scenarios?

Keep up with the mental gymnastics, I don't care.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:38:09 2016 No.8195995 >>8195975 UNIRONICALLY VOTING BREMAIN how does it feel to fall for the globalist jews ruse?

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:38:19 2016 No.8195997 >>8195991 Stop deleting your posts. Nobody is going to yell at you for making a typo, or not having perfect grammar. Cmon son.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:38:44 2016 No.8196000 File: 119 KB, 500x513, 1463119934016.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195975 >He isn't part of the CPGB-ML who are voting leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:39:11 2016 No.8196004 >>8195995 >>8195975 i didnt mean to respond to you.. i know you were being sarcastic.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:39:21 2016 No.8196007 >>8195975 >European Nationalism hahahaha >Political Islam hahahaha >Chinese state capitalism hahahaha

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:39:58 2016 No.8196009 >>8195991 -->>8195982

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:40:25 2016 No.8196012 too much cuckoldry in this thread. fuck all of you im gonna go read based milo tweets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:40:30 2016 No.8196014 >>8195970 >>8195991

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:40:31 2016 No.8196015

>>8195930
>>8195934
You're literally shutting your eyes and cupping your hands over your ears.

Without using buzzwords, please explain why you think it's fake. Calling the alt-right a bunch of fat virgins, even if such a statement is true, doesn't qualify.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:40:47 2016 No.8196016 >>8196000 an extreme minority of leftists are voting for Brexit because they have been coopted by neoliberals keep the memes up dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:40:58 2016 No.8196017 >>8196007 >tripposting on 4chan daily hahahahahaha (seriously though I pity you, I hope you find a nice circle of irl friends some day)

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:42:01 2016 No.8196022 >>8196015 because I can twist words to make it true that leftism is always progressive if you can't do this you can't call yourself an intellectual and don't deserve to be part of the left wing

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:42:18 2016 No.8196026 File: 26 KB, 329x500, 1466620405405.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196017

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:42:21 2016 No.8196027 File: 71 KB, 761x750, DFW2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8195788 >people on /pol/ are unironically calling people commies W... what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:42:43 2016 No.8196031 i think a marxist way of looking at things can be pretty useful sociologically, class relations etc but economically it's retarded, LTV is simply wrong, concepts like exploitation fall flat against rigorous economic analysis

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:42:53 2016 No.8196032 >>8196015 Because I have yet to see any validation of it beyond /pol/ going >HA look this Muslim killed someone. And HA look at this cuck who doesn't think every last Muslim should be rounded up into camps because of it. Lol, so much for progressives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:42:55 2016 No.8196034 >>8195986 Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott, and the majority of the UK Labour party Noam Chomsky Reza Aslan Glenn Greenwald Elizabeth Warren

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:43:42 2016 No.8196038 reminder that 'regressive leftism' and 'radical Islam' are bullshit terms that obfuscate the enemy there is only leftism and Islam, the regressive and radical elements are endemic to them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:43:54 2016 No.8196039 >>8196016 Most of the left are actual liberals who are barely leftists, this isn't news. Relevent tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:44:24 2016 No.8196040 >>8196022 yea, your progress walks into a fire, your progress falls off a cliff.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:44:45 2016 No.8196043

>>8196009
Are you just trying to bait? There's no way of looking at mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance as being anything but bad in the area of politics.

>>8196014
I already gave an example, that is feminists who promote Islam. If you want the names of people in particular I regret to inform that I don't feel like pouring through a bunch of buzzfeed and vox articles for your sake, but I do distinctly remember a famous Japanese feminist activist (and marxist) who was quite the admirer of Osama bin Laden. She received a google doodle in her honor not too long ago. I forget her name though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:44:46 2016 No.8196044 >>8196040 fine by me, only plebs care about the real world

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:45:04 2016 No.8196047

If we are to profile and deport violent people from our national security, who better than men? Men commit a majority of shootings, ergo, if we are to solve problems by getting rid of it, let's send men to the sun.

If the alt-right is to argue with my logic, they are arguing against themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:45:07 2016 No.8196048 >>8196034 How exactly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:45:46 2016 No.8196050 File: 363 KB, 933x666, 1466542636399.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196038

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:45:47 2016 No.8196051 >>8196043 >as being anything but bad in the area of politics. politics is just a game for our amusement

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:46:36 2016 No.8196059 >>8196044 so then shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:47:00 2016 No.8196062 >>8196059 make me

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:47:02 2016 No.8196063

>>8196043
>remember a famous Japanese feminist activist (and marxist) who was quite the admirer of Osama bin Laden.
Yes, she was also a Muslim and supported him for anti-imperialist reasons. On the count she's a Muslim I don't think that's a particularly good example of le regressive left.

Not to mention your previous "example" wasn't an example, it was you describing a situation you believe to be happening that I dispute.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:47:19 2016 No.8196065 >>8196047 I agree, we should deport all white men (right wing ones especially) to keep them away from the rest of society

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:47:40 2016 No.8196067 >>8196047 IGNORE THE BAIT IT'S JUST AN UGLY TRANNY MAD AT MEN

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:47:53 2016 No.8196069 File: 488 KB, 500x313, 1339709030139.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >People on this board are unironically ironic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:48:12 2016 No.8196070 >>8196051 Politics is the set of methods by which a government chooses to make decisions for the benefit of its people. Now that I see that you're only concerned with making cutesy smartass remarks, I'm going to stop replying. Have a good day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:48:40 2016 No.8196072 >>8196062 it's not my business to help idiots look less stupid, by all means, continue to dig your hole.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:48:40 2016 No.8196073 >>8196065 BAAAAAAAAITTTTTTTTTT

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:49:09 2016 No.8196076 >>8196047 Kill yourself, please, do it for the collective.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:49:32 2016 No.8196077 >>8196063 And I say that on account of the fact that she was a Feminist Muslim, she is a perfect example of the regressive left, and that area of the regressive left in particular. You're literally ignoring details for your own benefit.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:49:34 2016 No.8196078 >>8196067 I thought you said you filtered me? What's up, do you have a crush on me, or get a boner from calling me a tranny? Maybe you're the tranny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:50:05 2016 No.8196081 >>8196070 everything only exists for the sole purpose of masturbating our intellects get a grip >>8196072 keep being mad that intellectuals won't take you seriously

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:50:36 2016 No.8196084 >>8196076 No

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:51:01 2016 No.8196086 >>8196078 WHEN DID I SAY THAT? OH, YOU MADE IT UP. UGLY TRANNY BK 2 TUMBLR

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:51:15 2016 No.8196089 >>8196073 read between the lines

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:51:34 2016 No.8196090 >>8196067 >>8196073 Not an argument :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:51:36 2016 No.8196091 >>8196081 How edgy. Did you read Stirner for the first time yesterday or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:52:07 2016 No.8196094 File: 31 KB, 320x320, 1466405992441.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196077 >She is a feminist >She is also a Muslim >Therefore she is le regressive left. I don't follow. Muslims are allowed to be feminists and vice versa.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:52:24 2016 No.8196096

how to filter annoying tripfags:

1.highlight the tripcode in question (in this case !!DQ4uaSYakfr)
2.Click the little triangle next to the post number
3.Click "filter selected text"
4.Under "type" select "tripcode"
5.Check the "hide" box.

enjoy your improved browsing experience

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:52:33 2016 No.8196097

>>8196086
Well you keep screaming at people not to take my beautifully crafted bait and to filter me, I just thought the reasonable assumption with that logic is you filter me, because there wouldn't be a reason for you not to if you type in all caps encouraging it.

UGLY TRANNY BK 2 /POL/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:53:25 2016 No.8196101 >>8196097 CHOKE ON A DICK TRANNY YOU'LL PROBABLY BE DEAD IN A COUPLE OF YEARS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:53:48 2016 No.8196105 >>8196094 The rules, guidelines, and methods of Islam that apply to women are directly in contrast to the doctrines of feminism. I don't see what you don't understand.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:53:57 2016 No.8196106 >>8196096 I can change my trip. Or I could post without one. Either way, you shouldn't be encouraging me to post without one again. I am doing you an honest favor. Also, /lit/ has always had trips that annoy you, calm down.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:54:00 2016 No.8196107
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Why are so many leftists pseuds and charlatans? Is it because Marxism is inherently a shallow ideology reliant upon obfuscation? If somebody's a posturing jackass in the academic world, 9/10 times they're also a socially progressive leftist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:54:03 2016 No.8196108 >>8196091 I've been found This whole time I've been fucking with you

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 14:54:59 2016 No.8196112 >>8196101 CHOKE ON A DICK TRANNY YOU'LL PROBABLY BE DEAD IN A COUPLE OF YEARS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:55:01 2016 No.8196113 >>8196096 Thanks, the thread looks a lot cleaner now

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:55:28 2016 No.8196114 File: 65 KB, 539x480, 1463364526219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196094 >Islam >Feminism Pick ONE

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:55:52 2016 No.8196117
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>>8196105
There's more than one kind of feminism and the same could be said of Christianity or (especially) Judaism.

This has never stopped Christians or Jews from being feminists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:56:06 2016 No.8196118 >>8196107 >Why are so many leftists pseuds and charlatans? Other way around actually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:56:52 2016 No.8196122 >>8196118 why are so many leftists charlatans and pseuds?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:56:53 2016 No.8196123 >>8196114 Bro, have you ever even met a Muslim?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:57:02 2016 No.8196124 >>8196031 >LTV Marx didn't invent this you know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:58:21 2016 No.8196129 >>8196031 >LTV is wrong Nice propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:58:40 2016 No.8196132 >>8196122 I said other way around. Why are so many fascists and reactionaries throughout the 20th and 21st centuries proved psuedos and proved frauds?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:59:47 2016 No.8196137 >>8196123 Unfortunately I live in an area infested with them. They've recently grown so out of control that they've started putting large bags over their women, I suspect to beat and rape them with less visibility

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 14:59:48 2016 No.8196138 >>8196117 And there's the strawman. What makes you think that I don't believe reconciling feminism with Christianity and/or Judaism isn't also an example of regressivism? You've projected a false image of me to substantiate your preordained beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:00:07 2016 No.8196140 >>8196114 I agree, but the same applies to Christianity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:00:28 2016 No.8196143 >>8196118 >>8196132 I'm on the left and you're blatantly wrong. You knew you were wrong as you were typing that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:00:30 2016 No.8196144 >>8196132 hmm...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:01:06 2016 No.8196147 >>8196117 >There's more than one kind of feminism Yes, and not all are progressive. Idiot.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:01:18 2016 No.8196149

>>8196124

i know, he modified the version used by ricardo and smith

given that he modified it and it's often central to his thought - and it's particularly key to his economics it basically makes marxist economics wrong

it's telling that modern marxist economics tends to at the very least update it or change it or forget it entirely

>>8196129

sraffa was right

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:01:31 2016 No.8196150 >>8196143 No I'm not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:01:43 2016 No.8196151 >>8196138 I haven't. I just hoped it would help illustrate how retarded you're being to expect every religious person to be super-duper traditionalist and any other interpretation is just being a hypocrite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:02:59 2016 No.8196155 >>8196147 The fuck kind of argument is this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:03:01 2016 No.8196156 Islam and Christianity emphasize that women are supposed to submit to their husbands, so neither is consistent with feminism. But almost every religious person ignores most of their holy book and just draws from secular values anyway.

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:03:41 2016 No.8196159

>>8196143
Except that's true, most fascists and reactionaries in the 20th, let fucking alone 21st century, are laughed out of wherever they are until they're left shouting conspiratorial nonsense to fellow idiots on television as right wing American radio hosts and shock jocks. This is basically undeniable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:04:02 2016 No.8196161 File: 178 KB, 480x480, 0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196149 >Workers make all the stuff >Somehow LTV isn't true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:04:50 2016 No.8196164 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifoH4jy4IsE&feature=youtu.be LET'S TRIGGER KEKS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:05:12 2016 No.8196166 If you don't worship the altar of pure secular altruism then you're a regressive leftist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:05:29 2016 No.8196168 >>8196151 Now you're going off on a completely irrelevant tangent to make yourself look better. Want another chance?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:05:36 2016 No.8196170 >>8196161 workers making stuff doesn't mean marx's definition of value is at all useful as a price mechanism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:06:02 2016 No.8196172 >>8196161 labour doesn't effect the fertility of land yet that has an effect on its value

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:06:04 2016 No.8196173 >>8196159 >because progressives in the media and academia don't give respect to rightists, leftists are more authentic What kind of retarded argument is this? Stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:07:50 2016 No.8196181

>>8196155
What the fuck don't you understand? Your implication is that since there are versions of feminism that conform to religious standards, these versions aren't regressive since they are still nonetheless "feminism", which is utter bullshit. Stop being so goddamn dense.

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:07:55 2016 No.8196182

>>8196173
Do you know how academia works? If it doesn't survive scrutiny, it's fucking wrong. Live and thrive with it or leave academia, as you are not seriously considering finding truths, you are however seriously considering finding ways to cry about how unfair life is. Hypocritically mostly.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:09:21 2016 No.8196188

>>8196149
LTV is right tho, the less labor involved in production the lower the cost and the thinner the profit, this is why labor intensive things like healthcare or education cost so fucking much, while capital intensive things like computer chips and dvd players get cheaper and cheaper

ignore the LTV at your own peril

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:09:21 2016 No.8196189 don't reply to xir

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:10:35 2016 No.8196195 >>8196189 You have zero evidence she's a tranny, why don't you stop bitching about trips. The one thing I'll agree with her on is you shits bitching about trips being more annoying than trips themselves

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:11:52 2016 No.8196202

>>8196170
Marx uses it as a price mechanism because he points out that market exchanges cannot be an imbalanced source of surplus on the basis of use value. In Marx's analysis the surplus value comes from the labour of the worker. He made the thing, the bourgie then sells the thing at an agreed upon price, then the worker gets a pittance of that with the remainder being profit.

>

Hence, we see that behind all attempts to represent the circulation of commodities as a source of surplus-value, there lurks a quid pro quo, a mixing up of use-value and exchange-value. For instance, Condillac says: “[Condillac's Argument]” [8] We see in this passage, how Condillac not only confuses use-value with exchange-value, but in a really childish manner assumes, that in a society, in which the production of commodities is well developed, each producer produces his own means of subsistence, and throws into circulation only the excess over his own requirements.

> But commodities are not paid for twice over, once on account of their use-value, and again on account of their value. And though the use-value of a commodity is more serviceable to the buyer than to the seller, its money-form is more serviceable to the seller. Would he otherwise sell it? We might therefore just as well say that the buyer performs "strictly an act of production,” by converting stockings, for example, into money.

The so-called refutations of LTV always put forward Marx's terms very disingenuously.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:11:54 2016 No.8196203 >>8196189 I shouldn't be replying to a tranny, but could you please stop accusing me of being a tranny since you are a tranny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:12:32 2016 No.8196205 >>8196195 xi once said the doctor who removed xir balls and sewed on xir teets wore crocs, so not only is xi a tranny but also goes for low cost boob jobs from 3rd rate surgeons with bad taste

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:13:08 2016 No.8196210

>>8196181
>mplication is that since there are versions of feminism that conform to religious standards, these versions aren't regressive since they are still nonetheless "feminism
That wasn't my implication at all.

My implication is that there's no such fucking thing as "regressive". And this whole retardation hinges on viewing both feminists and Muslims as monolithic abstractions.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:13:21 2016 No.8196211 >>8196205 What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:14:09 2016 No.8196212 >>8196168 I'm not. You just seem to have an extremely short term memory.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:15:32 2016 No.8196216 >>8196205 the xi thing only applies to people who dont consider themselves male or female

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:17:21 2016 No.8196223 >>8196132 >Why are so many fascists and reactionaries throughout the 20th and 21st centuries proved psuedos and proved frauds? How can they be pseuds when they don't even claim to be intellectuals, and in what way are they frauds?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:22:22 2016 No.8196238 File: 30 KB, 500x544, tumblr_o25bax0qay1tdpeqjo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196205 >Xir Kill me pls

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:24:20 2016 No.8196246 File: 31 KB, 1152x720, dongs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DONGS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:26:08 2016 No.8196257 >>8196246 Nice, very nice.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:26:17 2016 No.8196258
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>>8196129
>>8196161
>>8196188
>>8196202
If LTV is correct why is it if I spend 1 hour sucking dick, I can only get £10 but if the bitch in pic related spends 1 hour sucking dick, she gets £100? It's the same amount of labour time so it should be the same price but it ain't.

Checkmate atheists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:27:27 2016 No.8196265 >>8196258 Maybe if you worked out the labour invested in the gym would return profits in sucking dick.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:28:40 2016 No.8196270

>>8196182
>Do you know how academia works?
Yes, it's mostly politics, backbiting, and sucking up to as many superiors as possible
>If it doesn't survive scrutiny, it's fucking wrong
That's true in empirical sciences that rely on studies which can be consistently replicated and falsified. But in the humanities, the vast majority of what somebody is positing as the truth is simply that--a postulate. Not fact. Replication is a joke and obfuscation and defense in preferred to opening one's work to falsification.

Theories and opinions don't magically transform into objective truths because lots of social science majors sit agree that it sounds good to their ears.

Question accepted doctrine, seriously challenge everybody around you, and you've just lost your career and shot at tenure

You sound seriously gullible to forms of authority.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:28:45 2016 No.8196271 >>8196258 You vastly under estimate the income of gigolos and the popularity of homosexuality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:30:08 2016 No.8196277 >>8196105 America is a Christian country that doesn't even stone non virgin women that attempt to marry. Disappointing desu

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:30:36 2016 No.8196281

>>8196270
The right is more gullible to forms of authority than anyone currently. The current American right is a fucking mess to the point of centering their focus on an infamous real estate con man.

There is little to prevent the right from avoiding things like this altogether, and to adapt, they simply have not, and don't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:30:43 2016 No.8196282 what does /lit/ think of zizek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:31:46 2016 No.8196286 >>8196282 >zizek Pretty Cool Guy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:33:10 2016 No.8196292 >>8196270 Academia is infallible you fucking pleb

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:34:29 2016 No.8196302 >>8196286 why

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:34:58 2016 No.8196303 >>8196281 ...how does that have anything to with what I said? I don't really care about how your team you vote for is better than the team you don't vote for. Next time don't respond if you're incapable of reading my post

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:35:39 2016 No.8196307

>>8196281
>The right is more gullible to forms of authority than anyone currently
[citation needed]
>real estate con man
[citation needed]
>''i think i'm right and everyone else is wrong, so progressive, le left is the only right path, every1 else is rong and rryt wing loons''
keep posting faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:38:32 2016 No.8196321 >>8195934 But even liberals and leftists call out other liberals and leftists for being regressive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:38:42 2016 No.8196322 >>8196302 he's pretty funny lol

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:38:58 2016 No.8196323

>>8196307
How is "I think I'm right anyone else is wrong" any different from her, from the alt right?

If you want evidence of how Trump runs everything into the ground look at fucking his "promises" to restore Atlantic City. He fucked up and everyone suffered for it. Look at Trump University. You must be a fool to have Trump as your fucking candidate you rally behind. And you must be clinically dead to defend his character.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:40:22 2016 No.8196330 >>8195952 >edits >of my dank meme :^)

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:41:14 2016 No.8196335

>>8195991
Those aren't real leftists cause they act in the interest of certain groups rather than the majority. Left wing politics is at it's core pure populism for the whole of humanity or in other words equality for everyone. Nationalism is a left wing concept but now people think it's right wing. Democracy and equal treatment under the law are left wing concepts. Individualism isn't a bad thing there's a limit due to human communities and how society functions. I'm not a socialist but I support mixed economy. I'm not a capitalist cause I know untethered free enterprise ignores the family unit and runs off of profit. I am in favor of local democratic community control of production as an alternative to both free market capitalism and the excessively bureaucratic welfare state. I consider myself a communitarian (no it's not the same as communism)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:42:42 2016 No.8196342 >>8196335 >I am in favor of local democratic community control of production pure fantasy

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:42:57 2016 No.8196345

>>8196335

>Left wing politics is at it's core pure populism for the whole of humanity or in other words equality for everyone.

That is why they will always be terrible.

>Democracy and equal treatment under the law are left wing concepts.

They're both horrible concepts. Not doing yourself any favours here.

>Individualism isn't a bad thing

Mein Gott...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:43:50 2016 No.8196350 File: 47 KB, 501x525, Max_Stirner-k.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hehehe hello guys, what's going on here ;)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:44:52 2016 No.8196355 File: 29 KB, 500x550, 1466474827339.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196350 >Not being a Marxist out of self interest

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:46:15 2016 No.8196362 >>8196345 literally alt-right faggot: the post tips fedora

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:48:07 2016 No.8196366

>>8196188

you think factoring the cost of labour is unique to LTV?

>>8196202

a basic understanding of marginalism adequately explains the uselessness of the concept of surplus value

people might put forward marx's ltv disingenuously but it is also a slightly slippery concept, and phrases such as socially necessary are loose and unhelpful

plenty of people sympathetic to a lot of what marx wrote(myself included) have sadly come to the understanding that it is bunk, modern economics is a rigorous discipline and does not take LTV seriously, it simply doesn't account for pricing well enough compared to marginal theories and market mechanisms

i would generally direct people who think marx might be on to something to critiques by piero sraffa, joan robinson and peter wolff - these 3 don't go over it disingenuously and critique it well

pricing mechanisms of the market don't take away from the worker, the lazy capitalist owner does not exploit labour - they put far more risk up for a business than labour does, surplus value is a fairly useless idea - especially taking into account the poor performance of collective firms in comparison and putting so much emphasis on labour ignores too many of parts of the production process

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:49:13 2016 No.8196371 >>8196322 what about his not so left leftism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:49:19 2016 No.8196373 >>8196362 >How Can Anyone Disagree With My Worldview? It's 2016!: The Post

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:49:26 2016 No.8196376 >>8196355 >yet another Marxist adopts Stirner out of an embarrassing misreading because he wants to meme too

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:49:37 2016 No.8196377 File: 60 KB, 500x495, 6ujhy5t4v.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196366 >pricing mechanisms of the market don't take away from the worker, the lazy capitalist owner does not exploit labour

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:49:52 2016 No.8196380

>>8196342
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_council
>>8196345
>That is why they will always be terrible.
So how do you explain the success of the Civil Rights movement, slavery abolitionists, LGBT rights, women's rights, etc. Really seems like the right have completely lost on social issues.
>They're both horrible concepts. Not doing yourself any favours here.
So you'd really rather have the government tell you what to do. You don't want to have ANY say if they want to send to die in a war or if you should have nay rights at all? I thought conservatives don't want the government to be able to boss them around.
>Mein Gott...
le german Nazi meme, if they were so great why did the fail and there's been no nationwide movement like them since?

So when did you realize /pol/ is satire?

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:51:37 2016 No.8196386

>>8196303
Then what kind of right do you want? The academic right mostly focuses on the economic, and demands entry to the philosophical as well. Are we talking an older right, traditionalism, of some kind? That's never going to be representative and you know why, it's because it's hostile to everything that isn't it.

Most of the right is exactly what you see in America and on campus, so what exactly is you want? I said Donald Trump, because it shows just how far the right has fallen in America, now it's going to be taken even less seriously professionally in the circles you want to be in question.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:52:11 2016 No.8196388

>>8196380

>Really seems like the right have completely lost on social issues.

For now. Historically illiterate Marxists don't realize that history is not linear, but cyclical. The pendulum will swing back, and we're arguably seeing the start of it - thanks to people getting tired of the 'Regressive Left', at last.

>So you'd really rather have the government tell you what to do. You don't want to have ANY say if they want to send to die in a war or if you should have nay rights at all? I thought conservatives don't want the government to be able to boss them around.

If you want to operate with extremes, be my guest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:52:19 2016 No.8196389 >>8196376 >He's an egoist >He's not some variety of radical leftist as well Unless you are rich as fuck this is indefensible.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:52:19 2016 No.8196390

>>8196323
>le alt-right is one person
let me guess, you're always right?

>turned 1 million into 10 billion
How exactly is that running everything into the ground? What do you do? What have you done? Other than sit and shit post on the internet and browse Tumblr?

>You must be a fool to have Trump as your fucking candidate
>must
[citation needed]

>You must be clinically dead to defend his character
>must
Nice opinion, bro! [citation needed]

NOT A SINGLE ARGUMENT

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:53:14 2016 No.8196394

>>8196373
>Democracy and equal treatment under the law are horrible concepts
So you don't want democracy? People shouldn't be allowed to participate in the decision making that affects their lives? You don't want the rule of law? You want the law to treat certain people with favour and discriminate against others? How is this just?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:53:44 2016 No.8196396 >>8196386 >Not knowing how left wing Trump is >Thinking "conservatives" are right wing, they're classical liberals >Not knowing how regressive "progressives" actually are. They're both god awful anyway hun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:53:56 2016 No.8196397 >>8196377 they simply don't anon, not in a way useful for building a coherent economic theory anyway you can find examples of workers being 'exploited', but exploited in a more general sense and not the way that marx used it

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:54:25 2016 No.8196399

>>8196380
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_council
This is pure fantasy. The economies of scale necessary to have the output we are used to can not be achieved by local democratic worker councils. The economy would come to a standstill if you attempted this fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:54:26 2016 No.8196400 >>8195788 I don't understand what self-respecting adult thinks the mechanism of society can be operated like a community garden. At the very least, have the balls to be an autocratic communist.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 15:54:45 2016 No.8196402 >>8196390 >He actually fell for Donald Trump having ten billion oh my gosh!

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:56:10 2016 No.8196407

>>8196394

>So you don't want democracy? People shouldn't be allowed to participate in the decision making that affects their lives?

Democracy has proven itself to be consistently terrible. The time has long since come for us to transcend it; though sadly, we are held back by idiots like you, who believe in concepts such as 'just(ice', and no doubt silly things like 'good' and 'evil' too.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 15:57:11 2016 No.8196411

>>8196390
>How exactly is that running everything into the ground?
Trump running Atlantic Cities small businesses that supported him, his investors, his shareholders, his credibility, all into the final nail on the coffin, that's all fucking academic. He generated billions of debt to go through legal loop hole to gain income.

As Donald Trump says, he's the "King of Debt". If you want America looking more like New Jersey you're a fucking idiot and I hate you, everyone hates you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:00:14 2016 No.8196421 >>8196411 >King of Debt That's hilarious. I was joking with my friend when I called him out on making a simplistic observation and he said "I'm the king of simplistic observations" that it sounded like something Trump would say.

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 16:00:14 2016 No.8196422

>>8196396
>Not knowing how left wing Trump is
Trump is not a political creature, he gives a shit only about himself, and to a lesser extent his offspring. He's doing this for money, not ideology.
>Thinking "conservatives" are right wing, they're classical liberals
Hardly.
>Not knowing how regressive "progressives" actually are.
That's not a shining example of why the other team is so better. It simply is not. It's not regressive, it's outright destructive and bathes in its own stupidity and filth. At least the left doesn't end up voting a majority for Donald fucking Trump. Jesus Christ this whole election season is laughable.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:01:42 2016 No.8196427

>>8196402
Post proof that he doesn't? Or five billion? Whatever it is...

Again, what do you do? Other than just sit and shit post. How can you criticise the man for business failure when you literally know nothing about business? Where are your companies? Where is your profit? Why should anyone care what you have to say?

Oh! That's right! It's because you grew up on Tumblr and other indoctrination and you argue as if you believe you're right... because you genuinely believe that you are! It's not your fault though...

>>8196411
>he doesn't know how business works
>he doesn't know what capitalism is
>he wouldn't be posting on his iphone on 4chan without either of these things though

>you're a fucking idiot and I hate you, everyone hates you.
[citation needed]
Keep living in your fantasy world, my man! One day you'll get it, or maybe you won't. I don't care either way. Meanwhile, men like Trump (whether likeable or not) will continue to shape your everyday life, because they can.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:01:56 2016 No.8196428 >>8195889 >people just aren't smart enough to see they're being duped. To this day I can't decide if this fact speaks for or against democracy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:02:06 2016 No.8196431 >>8196407 Democracy is not perfect but it's better than any other system that came before it. >believe in concepts such as 'just(ice', and no doubt silly things like 'good' and 'evil' too. Ah, so you're just trolling then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:02:07 2016 No.8196432 >>8195788 I've never understood this Pepe. Is there a particular reason his finger is behind his lips as if he's trying to remove it?

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:02:17 2016 No.8196434

>>8196388
That makes no sense.
1790's French Revolution. Nationalism and Republicanism take over and BTFO monarchy
1860's slavery ends
1960's civil rights passes
1920's women gain right to vote
1970's environmental legislation passes
2015 Gays can actually marry in every state

No politician dares challenge those things. Trump isn't even challenging any of those things and he's actually left wing.
>If you want to operate with extremes, be my guest.
Top kuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:02:25 2016 No.8196436 >>8196422 You're right, an openly Socialist Jewish cuckold (in the literal sense of the word) is so much better...

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:03:12 2016 No.8196441

>>8196389
I'm not an egoist, it's just that Stirner's thought is completely contradictory to Marxism. It's fine if you want to abolish the state and have a revolution, but stop posting memes of Stirner to act smug if you haven't even read what he wrote. "spook" is not a catch-all term for examples of ideologies you don't like

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:03:37 2016 No.8196444
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>>8196431

Hello, Churchill.

>Ah, so you're just trolling then.

Enjoy your slave morality. I can smell the ressentiment from here...

>>8196434

>No politician dares challenge those things

You're not paying attention.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:03:53 2016 No.8196445

>>8196422
>He's doing this for money, not ideology
[citation needed]
and even if he was, so what? obama was likely doing it to be the first black president, but i bet you still loved him though?

>It's not regressive,
LOLOLOL

> it's outright destructive and bathes in its own stupidity and filth
the left does this also, if you don't believe this to be true... you are simply a fucking fantasist.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:03:54 2016 No.8196447

>>8196427
>Post proof that he doesn't? Or five billion? Whatever it is...
I simply do not need to post proof Donald Trump has ten billion. If he did he wouldn't be conning people out of their retirement with Trump University. Actual rich people con everyone on a much larger scale, ie see The Koch Brothers.
>Again, what do you do? Other than just sit and shit post. How can you criticise the man for business failure when you literally know nothing about business? Where are your companies? Where is your profit? Why should anyone care what you have to say?
hahahahahaha do you know where you are

>Oh! That's right! It's because you grew up on Tumblr and other indoctrination and you argue as if you believe you're right
Tumblr, for all its dumb shittery, is like a fucking utopia compared to /pol/. I don't go there anymore though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:04:41 2016 No.8196452 >>8196407 It has to be more than a coincidence that all countries with democratic governmental systems provide their people with the highest standard of living. The only exception is maybe Saudi Arabia.

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 16:05:07 2016 No.8196457 >>8196427 Trump doesn't shape anyone's everyday life, he barely scrapes off trying to hide the fact he only has 550 mil.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:05:23 2016 No.8196459 Some people call it Marxism. I just call it Judaism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:07:04 2016 No.8196467 >>8196452 And this is the problem with Marxist, and indeed most post-Enlightenment thought; everything is measured on monetary/material terms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:07:09 2016 No.8196468 >>8196452 It has to be more than a coincidence that all countries with white people provide their people with the highest standard of living. The only exception is maybe Japan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:07:56 2016 No.8196472 File: 1.86 MB, 306x230, 1421934136004.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196345 >invoking zizek when you made two equally pure ideology post

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:08:11 2016 No.8196473 >>8196467 Same goes for Quality of Life and Health tho.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:08:22 2016 No.8196476

>>8196447
>I simply do not need to post proof
Enough said

>hahahahahaha do you know where you are
Yes. But i'm not calling successful businessmen failures, am I? Retard.

> I don't go there anymore though.
Sure.
Also, what the fuck does /pol/ have to do with anything? I don't browse /pol/. You can keep shouting that though, as if everyone who isn't a moronic leftist ''progressive'' must be from /pol/ and or a nazi.

>>8196457
>only 550mm
Lmao, again, WHAT DO YOU DO? What are your accomplishments? Where are your businesses?
You're stupid and you think you're smart.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:08:30 2016 No.8196478

>>8196422
How is he doing anything for money? He's already rich as fuck and has spend millions out of pocket for his campaign. I'm not even a Trump supporter btw.
Yes what we call conservative in American today is actually classical liberalism. Why else do you thing Republicans and Libertarians are so closely allied?
What I mean to say is those regressive are actually right wing. See:>>8196335
>>8196399
Nice strawman. Keep shilling for more NEETbux and maybe your corporate master will give you a raise. I'm sure the wealth will trickle down any day now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:09:19 2016 No.8196484 >>8196473 Those are still material concerns.

(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 16:10:15 2016 No.8196488
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>>8196478
>How is he doing anything for money? He's already rich as fuck
If he had ten billion why isn't he self funding his campaign harder like anyone would? If he has ten billion, and seriously wants to become president, why isn't he putting it all to good use?

This is a publicity stunt, and you all fell for it, because you are stupid. You are part of a circus act.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:11:55 2016 No.8196494

>>8196476
>Also, what the fuck does /pol/ have to do with anything? I don't browse /pol/.
You'd fit right in.
>You can keep shouting that though
Ok.
>as if everyone who isn't a moronic leftist ''progressive'' must be from /pol/ and or a nazi.
I never said that, I just am correctly assuming you aren't a very intelligent person to fall for all of this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:12:57 2016 No.8196499 >>8196478 >Why else do you thing Republicans and Libertarians are so closely allied? Follow the comfortable money

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:13:16 2016 No.8196500 >>8196468 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Past_top_countries >What is Singapore? >What is Macau? >What is Hong Kong? >What is South Korea? >What is Taiwan? >What is Brunei? I only stopped coz I reached Saudi Arabia

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:14:54 2016 No.8196508 >>8196467 The material is the only real, retard.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:15:13 2016 No.8196510

>>8196488
Trump has spent less than any other major candidate and won the GOP primaries. Jeb Bush was spending ridiculous amounts and was stuck at 3% support.
>why isn't he spending he self funding his campaign harder
He doesn't need to spend like crazy to win. He's practically living proof that a lot of money isn't needed to gain people's support. It's his charisma and playing the media like a fiddle that are giving him free publicity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:20:25 2016 No.8196528 >>8196508 I think your Dunce hat is a little too tight.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:21:15 2016 No.8196531

>>8196510
>Trump has spent less than any other major candidate and won the GOP primaries.
Romney won the GOP primaries. Primaries do not equate general victory. They mean how gulible your base can be, nothing more.
>Jeb Bush was spending ridiculous amounts and was stuck at 3% support.

The problem here isn't about spending, it's about strategy. Trump currently is getting gang banged on all sides of the aisle, every bit of his plump orange ass is being filled with the collective cummies of the Government, the media, the business world, and the international world.

If any time was a good time to fire out ads in states to minimize loss from getting fucked so hard, it would be now. But he's not doing that. If he actually believes he can win based on his primary strategy after every new scandal comes out, he's wrong. Now, this could all change, but right now Trump is shedding potential voters fast and he just doesn't seem to give a fuck, but reports from inside say the entire campaign staff is panicking.

The month of June alone has cost Trump millions of potential voters, I don't think he can survive this non stop gang bang until November arrives.

And he's manipulated people in the past, he knows this. I am positive this was just a publicity stunt gone out of control. After he announced running for president from Trump tower, he moved down on his own fucking elevator giving a thumbs up to the press and released a book for fucks sakes, how much more does the right need.

Anyways, he's at a net loss now, so his plan, if it is a plan, is not working anymore. He's funneling campaign cash into his own companies like mad, with no care if the press finds out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:21:49 2016 No.8196535 >>8196528 Keep being spooked

>>	(◡‿◡) Boob Gap !!DQ4uaSYakfr Wed Jun 22 16:22:17 2016 No.8196541 Jeb should have been the Republican candidate desu senpai

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:22:43 2016 No.8196543 >>8196500 Hong Kong is kind of an odd duck as a political entity. I wouldn't count it in any sort of list. Although I wasn't aware of those others. I thought South Korea was democratic.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:29:10 2016 No.8196568

>>8196531
>Romney won the GOP primaries
And he lost and it was a wake up call for the GOP
>Primaries do not equate general victory.
I know how elections work but that's not what we're talking about
>They mean how gulible your base can be, nothing more.
That applies to every party since elections have become nothing but popularity contests. This is common knowledge and it's why there's so many independent voters these day such as myself.
>The problem here isn't about spending, it's about strategy.
That' exactly what I'm saying when I say he hasn't spent a whole lot but kept winning.
>Trump currently is getting gang banged on all sides of the aisle
He already has been for whole year now and it hasn't stopped him so far. I don't know or care if he wins or loses the general election but this country will suffer under Clinton who is just Obama 2.0.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:29:32 2016 No.8196570 >>8196541 Typical leftie, backing losers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:31:28 2016 No.8196580 File: 71 KB, 601x392, IMG_2774.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8196541

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:33:34 2016 No.8196588 I was ironically a marxist lately for an essay I wrote for a summer class. Mostly just thought it would make the essay more fun and challenging though.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:34:10 2016 No.8196592

>>8196568
>And he lost and it was a wake up call for the GOP

Going in the opposite direction, is not a certifiable victory. It is another way to alienate voters and lose. The GOP is a mess, has been since George Bush jr, this won't save it. It will kill it.

>That applies to every party since elections have become nothing but popularity contests.
That's my point.

>That' exactly what I'm saying when I say he hasn't spent a whole lot but kept winning.
And I'm saying the primaries are getting your base to vote for you, not the entire nation. Then it changes. Donald Trump cannot rely on his primary voters only for general election victory, that's losing. Right now he's even shedding his primary voters.

>He already has been for whole year now and it hasn't stopped him so far.

Because those were the primaries.

>I don't know or care if he wins or loses the general election but this country will suffer under Clinton who is just Obama 2.0.

And it would also suffer under Trump. Nobody wins this election.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:41:07 2016 No.8196622 >>8195788 homines in tabula hac sine deridente Marxī sunt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 16:42:03 2016 No.8196625 >>8195909 Less than capitalism, surely, if we are playing the ideologies kill people game

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 17:04:11 2016 No.8196698 >>8196484 Which is the only thing a government ought to be in charge of.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 17:43:29 2016 No.8196796 >>8196622 Dude, shut up

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:13:58 2016 No.8196891 File: 2.03 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Unrepentant

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:16:11 2016 No.8196894 >>8196891 I can't imagine wasting that much time. To paraphrase Schopenhauer; read good books, for life is short. Everyone ITT, don't make the mistake of this retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:17:51 2016 No.8196900 >>8196894 If I wanted to read an awful book I'd give Evola a spin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:18:22 2016 No.8196902 >all these anti-intellectuals >all these mediocre pseudo-intellectuals Dignity seems to be something that people on this board do not know. Stop embarrassing yourself like this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:24:38 2016 No.8196922 >>8196031 t. someone who has read classical political economy, marx, keynes or anything that isnt freakonomics

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:25:47 2016 No.8196928 >>8196039 this desu senpai. liberals are not leftists!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:27:53 2016 No.8196933 >>8195788 >there are anti-Marxists on /lit/, in THIS thread, who don't have an understanding of Marxism Talk about ideology!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:29:21 2016 No.8196939 >>8196170 marx isn't trying to create a price mechanism. idiot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:30:27 2016 No.8196943 >>8196172 >plowing and irrigation have no effect on the fertility of land

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:32:54 2016 No.8196951 >>8196031 >concepts like exploitation fall flat against rigorous economic analysis

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:33:46 2016 No.8196954 >>8196366 >socially necessary are loose and unhelpful and marginal utility is a rock solid theory? totally circular desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:35:40 2016 No.8196964 >>8195909 None. Many have been killed because of state planning, however.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:36:14 2016 No.8196965 >>8196441 he clearly advocates for appropriation of private property. what is a union of egoists but communism stripped of its spooks?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:37:26 2016 No.8196972 >>8196922 hasn't. fuck!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:38:21 2016 No.8196975 >>8196900 Evola's works are good, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:38:57 2016 No.8196978 >>8196397 >spend your life working to make someone else rich >work place dictatorship >not explotation

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:57:25 2016 No.8197041 >>8195806 ayyyyy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 18:59:16 2016 No.8197052 >>8196891 Marx does not justify reading so many books on him. Honestly, just Das Kapital and maybe a biography ought to be enough to thuroughly understand him.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:05:21 2016 No.8197079

Marx made a lot of good critiques of modern society, he is as important a figure to the modern world as Plato, Nietzsche, or Freud.

I am a Marxist Conservative honestly, I am not a lesser capitalist but a better one for understanding its weaknesses as Marx so well outlined in Kapital.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:15:51 2016 No.8197119 >>8197079 How would you fix capitalism?

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:20:23 2016 No.8197133

>>8196478
>Keep shilling for more NEETbux and maybe your corporate master will give you a raise. I'm sure the wealth will trickle down any day now.
Nice false dichotomy.

The only two options aren't Neoliberal, trickle down economics vs. workers councils/syndicates. You can have a proper mixed economy with a strong welfare state, public services and wage growth with proper government intervention in to the market.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:20:59 2016 No.8197139 >>8196625 Savages aren't people

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:22:57 2016 No.8197141 >>8197079 the entire Marxist perspective of opposing classes of society has made a fucking mess of sociology. It isn't constructive it creates conflict.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:24:04 2016 No.8197146 >>8197133 >unironically social democrat

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:25:05 2016 No.8197152 >>8197141 How shelteted do you have to be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:26:26 2016 No.8197157 >>8197152 Address the point, dividing people into literally opposing classes is harmful. You can address inequality without making into a fucking football match

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:26:33 2016 No.8197158 File: 38 KB, 431x624, spd_poster_1932.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197146 >Not being socdem/market socialist REMOVE NAZI REMOVE MARXIST REMOVE NECKBEARD MONARCHISTS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:28:59 2016 No.8197165 >>8197157 Marxist don't divide people they describe the divisions that exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:29:16 2016 No.8197166 >>8197157 conflict is the nature of man, without a force to fight against our teeth grow dull, our muscles grow slack, our brains go to mush and our spines turn to jelly.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:29:37 2016 No.8197168
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>>8197146
You can mock social democracy all you want but the most prosperous time in economic history was the 30 years post 2nd World War when policies akin to social democracy were pursued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:30:37 2016 No.8197171 >>8197166 Yea these meaningless anecdotes may sound cool in your mind but they prove nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:31:40 2016 No.8197176 >>8197165 They zero in on a few divisions and ignore reality's much more complex and less homogeneous power structures.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:31:56 2016 No.8197178 >>8197168 If you're going to run a capitalist market economy it needs to be Keynesian. Chicago school is literally ruining the world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:32:25 2016 No.8197179 >>8197171 >they prove nothing Kinda like you. >>8197168 Because they exploited poor nations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:32:59 2016 No.8197185 >>8197171 that truth is evident in every facet of life, that you'd deny it to win this argument is only evidence in favor of my point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:33:41 2016 No.8197188 >>8197166 You can simply create things and deal with problems and not be a ridiculous child.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:33:54 2016 No.8197190 >>8197176 So what do you think we should do? Ask the capitalists kindly not to exploit us?

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:34:24 2016 No.8197193

>>8197178
I agree with you.
>>8197179
>Because they exploited poor nations.
There's far more exploitation of poor nations today then there was during the post-war expansion. Look at what the World Bank/IMF do and despite that Western economies are growing slower.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:35:24 2016 No.8197200 >>8197185 What truth? An anecdote is not truth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:36:00 2016 No.8197203 File: 123 KB, 640x640, 1466512044328.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are some good introductions to economic theory that assumes I'm shit at math?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:37:28 2016 No.8197209 >>8197190 Accept that things are unfair, thank the capitalists and workers for the wealth they produce, and attempt to implement laws to redistribute the wealth. Or whatever, have another revolution, that's turned out so well in the past.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:37:40 2016 No.8197210 >>8197193 >There's far more exploitation of poor nations today Well if it's not AS imperialist.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:38:09 2016 No.8197217

>>8197079
>understanding its weaknesses as Marx so well outlined in Kapital
>inherent contradictions and the recurring crises of its death agony are "weaknesses"

>>8197157
>dividing people into literally opposing classes is harmful
This division is not done by ideas and academics but is a fact of material reality. Marx did not divide people into classes any more than physicists created the atom.

>>8197176
>ignore reality's much more complex and less homogeneous power structures
M8 wut. These power structures emerge entirely in service to class rule and material self-interest. Marxist critique is literally the best and only satisfactory way of describing them. It's like someone arguing evolution doesn't real because natural selection is "too simple a process" to explain such complex outcomes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:39:59 2016 No.8197224 >>8197209 >Accept that things are unfair, thank the capitalists And you think the capitalists will stop their class warfare?

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:40:50 2016 No.8197230

>>8197210
>Well if it's not AS imperialist.
Literally more imperialist.

The developing nations grew at relatively fast rates before the onset of Neoliberalism in them late 70s which has sent them back decades. It's simply false to say that imperialism in the post-war period was the reason for economic success in developed nations. It was due to internal policy.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:46:43 2016 No.8197255

>>8197052
You probably think Capital is just an economic work don't you?

The Marx problematic is the problematic of bourgeois society. I don't think it's the completion of philosophy ala early Lukacs but the field it opens is the one on which a self-understanding of bourgeois society is possible.

It's not a philosophy of history cum Hegel with the proletariat standing in for Geist but it's analogous in form and intensivity/extensivity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:51:13 2016 No.8197267 >>8197133 >he thinks you can get these things without class struggle or the threat of revolution.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:53:20 2016 No.8197275 >>8197168 because of the destruction brought about by ww2. Death, the greatest of all keynesians, ruled the world once more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:54:52 2016 No.8197280 wow looks like leftists are getting blown the fuck out. sad!

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:56:27 2016 No.8197290

>>8197209
>thank the capitalists and workers for the wealth they produce
That's precisely it. Capitalists do not produce wealth. The position of "private property owner" is entirely a superfluous one.

>implement laws to redistribute the wealth
Certainly wealth redistribution occurs in every advanced capitalist state as a pressure valve. It is a clear tactic of class rule. To avoid a sort of tragedy of the commons, bourgeois interests are collectivized and self-regulated at the level of their client government.
This process is basic stuff.
Literally the cause of mass colonialism and major wars over materials and markets. Private wars (a la drug cartel) are simply inefficient and outcompeted/selected against by those of massed capital in the form of the "legitimate" bourgeois state.

>>8197255
This. Marxist critique is a philosophy in the same sense that general relativity and quantum mechanics are philosophies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:56:43 2016 No.8197293 Daily reminder every government is inherently illegitimate, and taxation is theft. Have a good one, lads!

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:59:11 2016 No.8197307
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>>8197293
welcome to the vanguard comrade

>In North Korea, April 1st is commemorated as “Tax Abolition Day.” Ever since the law, “On Completely Abolishing Taxes,” was ratified through the Supreme People's Assembly on March 21, 1974, North Korea has claimed both within and without to be the only country in the world that does not collect taxes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:59:39 2016 No.8197313 File: 499 KB, 731x906, 1464046198220.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197293 Do you support me being shot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 19:59:58 2016 No.8197314 File: 24 KB, 666x360, 104168301.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197293 >theft from the richies >bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:00:04 2016 No.8197316 File: 230 KB, 718x1000, 1466355171164.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197280 Begone to your meme board and return when you can contribute something beyond reddit tier "humor"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:01:07 2016 No.8197320 >>8197307 people marching in unison is a telltale sign of a successful country

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:01:31 2016 No.8197323 >>8197307 Now that's some funky shit, I'm gonna have to look into that one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:01:33 2016 No.8197324 File: 228 KB, 471x350, 13062368_1604655276491237_4257099789759966547_n.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197293 If taxation is theft then property is also theft you stupid ancuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:02:40 2016 No.8197330 lit falls for bait the most

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:03:13 2016 No.8197333 >>8197313 I dunno, I wouldn't care if you shot yourself m8, it's your business.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:03:51 2016 No.8197338 >>8197316 looks like a young, politically savvy chap to me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:04:23 2016 No.8197340 >>8197330 "falls" implies /lit/ doesn't recognize it's bait in the first place

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:04:29 2016 No.8197341 >>8197324 scarcity etc come and get it lad physical removal incoming

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:05:04 2016 No.8197346 File: 117 KB, 540x960, Screenshot_2016-06-22-19-03-25.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197307 >April 1st It looks like Kim Dong Poon was playing an April Fools joke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:05:18 2016 No.8197348 >>8197307 >April 1st

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:05:52 2016 No.8197350 File: 134 KB, 854x1125, Henry_George.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197341 Kid just pay the one tax ffs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:06:05 2016 No.8197352 >>8197346 DELETE THIS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:06:18 2016 No.8197353 >>8197203 M8, economy math is easy mode.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:07:17 2016 No.8197360 >>8197350 dicks have no shoulders no such thing as just the tip

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:09:49 2016 No.8197370

Anarchist capitalists want a position of power no better than the state, the economy, ergo, they are not true anarchists. They fail to see the power that organized economy has as any different than a kind of state.

It'd be easier to call them gang rights activists or the mafia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:11:55 2016 No.8197379 >>8197370 They're neofeudalists. Most neoreactionaries began as minarchists and ancaps actually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:12:36 2016 No.8197382 >>8197370 >free trade is the same as coercion aight

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:13:15 2016 No.8197384 >>8197382 It is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:16:27 2016 No.8197398 >>8197384 it's no wonder you people are constantly the cause of famine and death good luck stopping me from engaging in free trade, granddad

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Jun 22 20:19:04 2016 No.8197408

>>8197293
taxation is not theft, it's extortion, sometimes direct robbery; hm, speaking of robbery, in "a ticket to tranai" the government of utopia gathered taxes literally by robbing people on the streets, afaik nobody wrote a story where the government would collect taxes by silently stealing them

>>8197307
>April 1st is commemorated as “Tax Abolition Day.” Ever since the law, “On Completely Abolishing Taxes,” was ratified through the Supreme People's Assembly on March 21, 1974, North Korea has claimed both within and without to be the only country in the world that does not collect taxes.
>April 1st

that's pretty symbolic

i googled and it seems the soviet union had income tax, albeit i think they technically could abolish it, when all the business is controlled by the state the state can ignore the income tax if they want simply by adjusting the salaries, people wouldn't even see the difference (people didn't pay it themselves, the employer paid it from their salaries as a tax agent); also they probably had some kind of value added tax, at least for some time

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:19:04 2016 No.8197409 >>8196500 Bar South Korea, freedoms are pretty enjoyable. South Korea has a horrible work culture though.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:19:41 2016 No.8197413

>>8197255
>You probably think Capital is just an economic work don't you?
No. I just think him and Engels are generally overhyped as some kind of authorities and this leads to an extenuation of the arguments made.
And people who are especially idealistic about it, tend to apply unrelated arguments. (Like Lacanianism.)

Socialist thought ought to stop getting so hung up on Marxism and move the fuck on. Contemporary anarchism for instance opens up a huge fucking playing field, which most leftists seem uninterested to intellectually explore. The only more or less interesting shit is post-left anarchism. Other than that it is all boring communist shit and literally nothing ever going into téchne in any meaningful way.

Right now social democrats are the only ones who seem invested in adapting to what is actually happening in the world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:20:42 2016 No.8197416 >>8197316 >the face of /pol/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:21:39 2016 No.8197424 >>8197398 it's no wonder you people are constantly the cause of famine and death good luck stopping me from engaging in actual free existence, granddad

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:24:30 2016 No.8197433 >>8197424 as long as you don't invade my property, laddie in that case you wouldn't even experience non-free existence, or any existence at all :^)

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:27:47 2016 No.8197442

>>8197290
>That's precisely it. Capitalists do not produce wealth. The position of "private property owner" is entirely a superfluous one.
It is incredibly stupid to think that the people organizing the production of wealth have no role in its production. I suppose we should fire movie directors as well

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:28:23 2016 No.8197444 >>8197433 Property might as well be state. You are a hypocrite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:28:24 2016 No.8197445 File: 463 KB, 960x679, lit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197416 nah if so, this would be the face of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:29:27 2016 No.8197448 >>8197293 >governments are inherently illegitimate >taxation is theft I... Wha... I'm not the only one who sees this, am I?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:30:04 2016 No.8197452 File: 160 KB, 343x315, 1466381390876.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197445 No This is the face of lit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:31:42 2016 No.8197457 >>8197452 No that's the face of retarded memeposters who are as ashamed of posting about literature as they are about posting a picture of themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:32:16 2016 No.8197460 File: 88 KB, 634x892, 1466641936049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197452 Wrong again THIS IS!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:32:16 2016 No.8197461 >>8197457 No it's the face of lit

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:32:22 2016 No.8197462

>>8197442
Purchasing shares hardly makes you an active agent in the productive process. Consumers themselves can just as easily direct societies resources better than a professional investor class who profits from laying people off and creating unemployment and inflating their asset prices.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:32:45 2016 No.8197466 >>8197457 when do they start posting about literature?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:33:09 2016 No.8197469 fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:33:18 2016 No.8197471 >>8197444 state denies property you're not even a hypocrite, you're just deluded anarchism is not what you actually want or believe in it's a good thing your beliefs are irrelevant to my property

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:33:58 2016 No.8197475 File: 23 KB, 300x251, acd3f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8197445 Nah, that would be /fa/. This is /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:35:24 2016 No.8197480 >>8197462 >a professional investor class who profits from laying people off and creating unemployment I'm sure countries without investment have no unemployment issues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:35:38 2016 No.8197484 >>8197471 State is property, it's the stripping of humans of dignity besides value and worth. Property and economy is no better. It's still power. It's just a shitty state that swears it's not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:36:08 2016 No.8197488 >>8197471 >he thinks property is real >and on top of that has any inherent value This is the kind of backwardness one might expect from an American, I presume?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:36:38 2016 No.8197491 >>8197462 if you guys ever end up doing something productive let me know, ill stick with actually existing things that are proven to work for the moment

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:38:04 2016 No.8197497 >>8197484 >he thinks the solution to people being spooked about stuff like "properties" or "governments" being real things is to stop using these or similar social tools

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:38:35 2016 No.8197499 >>8197497 Yes, burn it all down.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:39:14 2016 No.8197502 >>8197445 triggered /pol/cuck detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:39:57 2016 No.8197505 >>8197484 >it's the stripping of humans of dignity besides value and worth More like the stripping away of value and worth themselves. I don't care about your dignity, don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you. That's it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:41:42 2016 No.8197514

>>8197499
None of these things are inherently evil.
If you want to see what happens when you fail to use available tools like these after a successful shift in pradigm, just look to most post-colognial African states.
The difference being that we actually have the know-how to make something better of it.
It's just a waste, otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:41:44 2016 No.8197515 >>8197505 Blind commerce surely won't end in exploitation of all of us. I'll take your word on it cheeto beard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:41:45 2016 No.8197516 >>8197488 what's real? >inherent value that's some socialist shit, I don't touch it with a 10 foot pole senpai value is subject to constant change

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:43:43 2016 No.8197521 >>8197515 Blind commerce doesn't last long in a free market. People have demands. Don't take my word for it boi just live it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:45:38 2016 No.8197532 >>8197521 Free market without a state is a car without a driver, it just depends if you want to get hit by the car with or without the driver in it. I'd rather not get hit by a car.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:48:25 2016 No.8197544 >>8197532 At least you didn't make a food analogy. Free market without a state is a car without a driver. It doesn't need one because tech allows it to drive by itself without causing accidents didya like that one? I know you did

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:52:47 2016 No.8197560

>>8197516
You don't own shit. It's a societal delusion, propagated by greed.
Exclusivity of usage is pointless in a society where téchne allows abundance.

>value is subject to constant change
Value is the decision of how much freedom you are willing to pay for having other people let you exclusively use something.

Anonymous Wed Jun 22 20:57:51 2016 No.8197569

>>8197560
It's a societal construct, if that's what you mean.
It's also essential for the avoidance of violence.
>Exclusivity of usage is pointless in a society where téchne allows abundance.
It would be. We don't have that kind of abundance though, so RIP.

>Value is the decision of how much freedom you are willing to pay for having other people let you exclusively use something
If you wish to substitute value for the constant initiation of violence, be my guest.
You won't last very long though.

Anonymous Thu Jun 23 06:14:40 2016 No.8199022

>>8196951
Shut up, you don't know what Marx's version of exploitation meant economically.
I dare you to explain chapter 1 of Capital volume 1 to me, the idea that two goods with the same exchange value must have some other common value that causes this is in itself retarded. I hope someone had pushed Marx to take a course in Real Analysis, maybe then he could have said something remotely sensible about the economy's mechanics.

>>8196484
Self reported happiness levels are good enough for me and no I do not believe people are subtly misguided about how happy they are when then say they are on, say, the 7th step of Cantril's ladder scale and no I don't think the data was purposely manipulated by bourgeois economists.

>>8196922
You're trolling? There is a reason noone bothers with the LTV in the mainstream since Ricardo

>>8197353
You're an undergrad aren't you?

>>8197203
I would rec Max actually, mainstream econ will likely be too tough so give up on that, with Marx on the other hand polemic plays a much more important role, you'll be shunned by most people but you'll have enough contrarion leftists to give you company.

Anonymous Thu Jun 23 06:25:31 2016 No.8199038
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>>8199022
Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just got finished some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison prob’ly, you’re gonna be convinced of that until next month when you get to James Lemon, then you’re gonna be talkin’ about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year, you’re gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin’ about you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization...
Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth..." You got that from Vickers. "Work in Essex County," Page 98, right? Yeah I read that too. Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us- you have any thoughts of- of your own on this matter? Or do- is that your thing, you come into a bar, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend- you pawn it off as your own- your own idea just to impress some girls? Embarrass my friend?
Will: See the sad thing about a guy like you, is in about 50 years you’re gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you’re gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin’ education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library

Anonymous Thu Jun 23 06:27:14 2016 No.8199044

>>8196258
9/10 ingenius refutation of the LTV.

Also,
>>8196149
>it's telling that modern marxist economics tends to at the very least update it or change it or forget it entirely
This is a very important point to note for prospective Marxists or other folks interested in econ, most deffenders of LTV are armchair Marxists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 23 06:29:42 2016 No.8199049 >>8196954 Other poster here modern econ falls short many times, really I have no clue how economics have a job right now. It ought to get better with time though. Marginalism might be incorrect in parts but LTV is fundamentally absurd.

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