/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.8189231]

>Music has Beethoven's 9th Symphony
>Painting has Da Vinci's Mona Lisa
>Sculpture has Michelangelo's David
>Film has Welles's Citizen Kane
>Anime has Kakifly's K-On!
>Architecture has Eiffel's Eiffel Tower

What does Literature have?

[Anonymous No.8189236]

The Fault in Our Stars

[Anonymous No.8189237]

Oh besides the Odyssey, the Bible, Dante's inferno, Hamlet, paradise lost?

Do you want a strait up novel? Poetry? Plays?

[Anonymous No.8189244]

Something better than Citizen Kane

[Anonymous No.8189613]

Hmm, that's a toughy.

[Anonymous No.8189615]

>>8189231
>Anime has Anno's Evangelion

Don't worry anon, I sometimes get them confused too.

[Anonymous No.8189622]

>>8189231
The Eiffel Tower is an eyesore.

[Anonymous No.8189656]

>>8189615
ewww

[Anonymous No.8189666]

>>8189231
What are we looking for? Something not entirely too special that outsiders disproportionately appreciate and associate with the field?

In that case we have Romeo and Juliette.

Also, in that case K-On! has been replaced by One Reddit Man.

[Anonymous No.8189794]

>>8189231
>Anime has Kakifly's K-On!

Anime has nothing, you filthy degenerate.

[Anonymous No.8189797]

>>8189231
>>Painting has Da Vinci's Mona Lisa
retard
>>Sculpture has Michelangelo's David
not completely retarded, but no
>>Film has Welles's Citizen Kane
retard
>>Anime has Kakifly's K-On!
degenerate
>>Architecture has Eiffel's Eiffel Tower
retard

[Anonymous No.8189852]

>>8189797
You forgot Beethoven's 9th

Quite a large proportion don't even regard it as his finest symphony, the 3rd or 7th often coming out higher. A common complaint being the chorale finale being an awkward, ill-fitting bolt-on.

But for people who don't know much about classical music it is unconditionally seen as an apex. Just as the other populist works listed are.

[Anonymous No.8189861]

>>8189852
>>8189797
>>8189231
Aren't Beethoven's string quartets considered to be the apex of Beethoven? The ninth isn't even the best Beethoven, let alone the best musical piece.
Also I'd make the case that Wachet Auf is the best classical composition

[Anonymous No.8189885]

>>8189231
>people actually swallows the citizen kane meme

[Anonymous No.8189910]

It's definitely not the Eiffel Tower as the pinnacle of architecture m8
everything else makes sense despite not being true (anime doesn't belong on that list at all) but the Eiffel Tower is a retarded choice

[Anonymous No.8189912]

>>8189885
Citizen Kane is the Gatsby of film - not so technical and prophetic that it's difficult to digest, but just """complex""" and """inspired""" enough that it satisfies the plebs.

[Anonymous No.8189923]

>>8189615
>anime has Oshii's Angel's egg
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.8189934]

>>8189923
>>8189231
>not Kino no Tabi for anime

[Anonymous No.8189935]

>>8189852
The bolt on choir keeps the lacanian object of desire in this case perfection in focus and the awkward instrumental after critiques the whole symphony. It's a perfect symphony only that's like the 3/7 as truly above it.

[Anonymous No.8189939]

>>8189912
>implying Gatsby isn't a technical wonder
plebs don't read it for the technical aspects and they don't realize they're there, plebs just want a story of a super rich guy trying to fuck some puss

[Anonymous No.8189999]

>>8189934
>Calling it by its weeb name
Mushi-shi and Haibane Renmei are better sempai.

[Anonymous No.8190086]

Oh, the musicality of it!

[Anonymous No.8190097]

The pinnacle of music is Bach's Art of Fugue.

[Noodle Bro No.8190505]

>>8189999
Shit checked for quads of supreme number 9

[Anonymous No.8190509]

>>8189999
good digits

trash opinion

[Noodle Bro No.8190516]

>>8189852
>2016
>still listening to beethoven
>not listening to better contempory composers such as the finest Takashi Yoshimatsu
>brainless sheeps

[Anonymous No.8190526]

>>8189231
The 9th is pretty overrated.

[Anonymous No.8190532]

>>8190086
Good one.

[Anonymous No.8190585]

OP you triggered the contrarians into overload

[Anonymous No.8190592]

>>8189231
literature has DOGBOYS and it needs nothing else.

[Anonymous No.8190598]

>>8189231
>the Eiffel tower
>architecture

>Beethoven's 9th

>including anime

Off yourself t b q h

[Anonymous No.8190608]

>>8189231
>Architecture has Eiffel's Eiffel Tower
Jesus fucking Christ

[Anonymous No.8190611]

>>8189231
>books

[Anonymous No.8190618]

This is the worst board.

[Anonymous No.8190696]

>all these dumbasses getting triggered
You are missinterpreting OP. He isn't talking about the apexes of those fields, but those works most associated with it in mainstream culture. For literature I second >>8189666

[Anonymous No.8190757]

>>8189231
>Anime has Yatabe's Boku No Pico
Ftfy senpai

[Anonymous No.8190759]

>>8189912
Gatsby is the perfect book for high schoolers because it shows how being a thirsty beta and missing your ex is severe faggotry

[Anonymous No.8190773]

>>8190696
Romeo and Juliet is a play...

[Anonymous No.8190786]

>>8189231
If we're going for meme tier shit then...

Film has Shawshank
Anime has Akira
Literature has The Iliad and the Odyssey

Also I don't think anime should be on this list at all, it's just shitty film the same way that pop music isn't listed here.

[Anonymous No.8190805]

>>8189935
You sound like a pseudo-intellectual who doesn't know the first thing about music. Also it's not the perfect symphony, the third movement is boring as hell and the fourth has some of the sloppiest writing (particularly from the brass and woodwind) ever in a major work.

[Anonymous No.8190811]

>>8189231
Video games have The LAst of Us which is the Citizen Kane of video games

[Anonymous No.8190817]

>>8190805
Said the idiotic pseud.

Stop shitposting. Why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.8190818]

>>8190805
agreed on awful third movement. fourth movement is forgivable imo because of the formal brilliance and innovations associated with it. details can be overlooked.

the first movement had a strong claim to bring the most perfect first movement ever written in the entire repertoire however.

[Anonymous No.8190846]

>>8189861
>>8189912
To easily dismiss Citizen Kane you'd have to be a dumb faggot who knows absolutely nothing about film. It's one of the most innovative and influential films of all time. Before it films just used boring shots like simply showing everything going on in a 2 dimensional plane and just filming dialogue shot reverse shot zoomed in on the character talking's face etc. but in Citizen Kane deep focus camera was used which added complexity to the characters and to the visual story telling, this all really influenced film noir and brought back traditional theatrical staging to film. Plus the use of sound to transition from one scene to another in the film is used in pretty much every movie now, plus the use of flashback and unreliable narration, which had only really been done in novels, plus way more I'm too lazy to write. This information is widely available

[Anonymous No.8190869]

>>8190786

Only Americans think Shawshank is quintessential cinema.

[Anonymous No.8190881]

>>8189236
/thread

[Anonymous No.8190895]

>>8189231
>Music has Lmafo's Party Rock Anthem
>Painting has Worhol's Campbells Soup Cans
>Sculpture has Bonavita's Many Colors
>Film has DreamWorks' Minions
>Anime has Naruto
>Architecture has the Kremlin
What does literature have?

[Anonymous No.8190928]

>>8190811
>video games are art

Though since anime is included I guess it's ok.

[Anonymous No.8190937]

>>8190773
Yeah and plays are written in books, man.

[Anonymous No.8190948]

>>8190811
>The LAst of Us which is the Citizen Kane of video games

[Anonymous No.8190949]

>>8189237
Probably one of these.

>Architecture has Eiffel's Eiffel Tower
>Not the Chrysler Building or Fallingwater
wew

[Anonymous No.8191007]

>>8190949
>Chrysler Building
That's an achievement in building engineering. The architecture isn't that notable. Falling Water is a better option, but lacks in scale.

[Anonymous No.8191044]

>>8189939
>>8190846
Technical innovations are worthless on their own.

[Anonymous No.8191068]

>>8190811
Video games shouldnt be judged on how much they attempt to be choose your own adventure books, but rather how well they create art that is reliant on the medium of an interactive experience to best evoke the spirit of the work.

My vote goes to Shadow of the Colossus for gaming's masterpiece. If you disagree, you can fight me.

[Anonymous No.8191378]

>>8190846
The joke's on you, because I, in fact, do know nothing about film :^)

[Anonymous No.8191397]

>>8189231
Architecture actually has Eiffel's Eiffel's Eiffel tower2

[Anonymous No.8191419]

>>8191378
lol owned!

[Anonymous No.8191423]

>>8190786
Music has trout mask replica

[Anonymous No.8191432]

>>8190846
t. someone who has never seen Vertigo

[Anonymous No.8191435]

>>8190895
Infinite Jest

>architecture
>not World Trade Centers

[Anonymous No.8191445]

>implying anime is art

[Anonymous No.8191462]

Anime has Yu-Yu Hakusho

[Anonymous No.8191463]

War and Peace

[Anonymous No.8191469]

>>8191007
Why is scale a requirement? The Mona Lisa is quite small.

[Anonymous No.8191473]

>>8191445
>i don't get it
>interstellar
sides.

[Anonymous No.8191521]

>>8191445
Can someone explain what that picture is supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.8191532]

>>8191521
One implication is that anime fans don't have a solid counter argument when people call out pretentiouss anime, unlike fans of more high brow art forms. No idea about the last part.

[Anonymous No.8191749]

>>8190516
Yoshimatsu has some good pieces but most is straight up garbage. Refer to Thomas Adès for good contemporary.

[Anonymous No.8191778]

>>8191749
what are the good pieces by Yoshimatsu and Adès?

[Anonymous No.8191794]

>>8190846
Vertov > Welles

[Anonymous No.8191842]

>>8191749
>>8190516
Ah these posts reminded me that there's this contemporary(-ish) componist i want to check out, but i always forget his name, and it's been bothering me for long.
The one i heard was a string quartet (maybe more), very dissonant and screeching, and seemingly completely chaotic, watching them play was very interesting to me, but i can't for the life of me trace it back.

Anyone care to help, i think his last name was very piercing, like spike or spicek, something like that.

[Anonymous No.8191852]

What do people see in Citizen Kane? I thought it was decent maybe great for the time but I dunno

[Anonymous No.8191859]

Anime is film.

[Anonymous No.8191876]

>>8189231
>K-On
>Not Neon Genesis Evangelion
>Not Serial Experiments Lain
>Not Haruhi Suzumiya
REEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.8191881]

>>8191852
All the film students of the 50s and 60s studied it, so they went on to teach their students that it was basically the best thing since sliced bread and so forth until it was eventually universally acknowledged that Citizen Kane was the best movie ever made.

[Anonymous No.8191886]

Realtalk, though, is there anyone here who didn't like End of Evangelion?

[Anonymous No.8191889]

>>8191876
the go-to would be EVA, but one would think they'd opt for Haruhi.

[Anonymous No.8191896]

>>8191881
Sort of like The Beatles, I get it.

[Anonymous No.8191936]

>>8191749
Schnittke? Bacewicz, Xenakis? I know a lot of string quartets but a contemporary composer with a name like that isn't familiar

>>8191778
Ades - Asyla, Violin Concerto 'Concentric Paths', Powder Her Face, Polaris
Yoshimatsu - Pleiades Dances, Threnody to Toki, Piano concerto 'Memo Flora'

[Anonymous No.8191943]

>>8191936
Sorry this was in reply to >>8191842

[Anonymous No.8191971]

>>8191936
Schnittke was the closest one, but i already checked him.
I've never heard his name before, so he's not any of the big ones, like Xenakis or Penderecki.

[Anonymous No.8191983]

The fuck? Do people here actually watch anime? I thought this was an 18+ board.

[Anonymous No.8191986]

>>8191842

Schoenberg? Ligeti? Krzysztof Penderecki?

[Anonymous No.8192005]

>>8191986
none, he has to be way more contemporary than a schoenberg, because this music wasn't just serialism, but proper avant-garde.

[Anonymous No.8192006]

>>8191983
>implying all anime is for kids.
In that case, nobody over 18 can like South Park, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, etc. because cartoons are for kids

[Anonymous No.8192015]

>>8192006
>South Park, Family Guy, Rick and Morty

[Anonymous No.8192016]

>>8192006
at least those have elements of adult humor

Anime is made for mentally deficient and emotionally stunted manchildren

[Anonymous No.8192023]

>>8192016
bruh

[Anonymous No.8192039]

>>8192016
>Implying shows like Fruit of Grisaia, Nichibros, or Cowboy Bebop don't have adult humor.
I chose three very different shows on purpose. Anime is as diverse as most other mediums, but any medium has tropes and the mainstream ones don't portray anime in a positive light, I suppose. Either way, you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.8192048]

>>8192006

I haven't watched any of those kind of shows since I was 19

[Anonymous No.8192076]

>>8192016
Look at thiss picture & (and) tell me that its for manchildren

[Anonymous No.8192089]

>>8192076
Which amino is this?

[Anonymous No.8192095]

Who cares dude its just a hobbyt

[Anonymous No.8192106]

>>8192089
Yuru Yuri

[Anonymous No.8192123]

>>8192016
whats wrong with being that? words don't hurt

[Anonymous No.8192188]

>>8191842
Elliott Sharp?

[Anonymous No.8192237]

>>8192188
no

[Anonymous No.8192457]

>>8191044
They aren't on their own, you philistine.

[Anonymous No.8192479]

>>8191881
>>8191842
Certain shots are superb, and it also has many of the artistic merits of a good novel.

[Anonymous No.8192495]

>>8190846
You chose the wrong line of attack against these imbeciles. That's exactly what they wanted to here, it gives the idiots license to retreat behind this cheap cliches:
>See it just happened to be influential! I'm not retarded for being unable to understand it!
They don't realize that innovation isn't enough. If these innovations had not been skillfully utilized by a genius, the film would have been worthless.

[Anonymous No.8192507]

>>8189237
>the bible

Which version? Also lol.

[Anonymous No.8192513]

the dream in the red chamber

[Anonymous No.8192725]

>>8189615
K-ON is literally as deep as NGE but K-ON wins for not being as pretentious and for having (marginally) less autistic fans.

[Anonymous No.8192739]

>>8189231
>Gaiman's Coraline
>Kafka's The Metamorphosis

These are the two greatest books of all time.
>inb4 plebs who can't speak German say Kafka is shit

[Anonymous No.8192744]

My Diary To Be Honest

[Anonymous No.8192748]

>>8189231
>Music was Beethoven's 9th Symphony?

Are you fucking retarded? When you discuss Beethoven with anyone, the first thing the layman would say is hum the 5TH. When you see some bullshit advertisement with Beethoven playing, it's the 5TH

Fuck you you fucking pseudo pretentious cunt that knows fucking nothing

[Anonymous No.8192761]

>>8192748
hmm yess the 5th..i presume that is what the "layman" or pop jingler would cite as beethoven's best...i, however, find an early 19th century musical transcription of beethovens bedroom farts to be the far superior piece...

[Anonymous No.8192773]

>>8192739
I don't even know where to begin with this post

[Anonymous No.8192782]

>>8192748
thats strange. its the opposite in my reality with the 9th. Seeing it in Zizek's film really made that impression too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM9erS90gTE

[Anonymous No.8192785]

>>8192725
Is it actually? I like Eva because it's visually incredible and because the symbolism and plot are fun (not "deep", Anno himself has said as much), but really it's all about the feels and the perspective on human emotions and relations. So if K-On has something like that, I'm certainly open to it. I just always assumed it was moeshit.

[Anonymous No.8192811]

>>8192785
It's just a moe show, that it's deep is just a meme.

[Anonymous No.8192819]

>>8192785
I don't know if he was serious but I felt like it captures life well in a positive tone as opposed to Evangelion focusing on the more serious questions. I kind of is moeshit "cute girls doing cute stuff" but I don't think anyone could actually hate it if they watched it

[Anonymous No.8192830]

One Hundred Years of Solitude

[Anonymous No.8192832]

>>8192785
K-On is like anime's Ulysses: There are hidden references to lots of great works blended into the story so transparently that people unfamiliar with the source material will miss them completely.

Read Anna Karenina, The Atrocity Exhibition (Ballard), The Sickness Unto Death, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Critique of Pure Reason, then go rewatch K-ON.

[Anonymous No.8192848]

>>8192832
k-on is more like a jane austen novel but a particularly bad one and a lot worse

[Anonymous No.8194670]

>>8191445
I understand the idea that modern art is supposed to invoke emotions in you, but I still think it's bullshit.

Interstellar was also a 6/10 film with alright science (to a point) and good cinematography. The plot was absolute shit-tier, though.

[Anonymous No.8194708]

>>8189231
>beethoven's 9th
>not brahms piano concerto n.1
You literally don't know anything about music, do you?

[Anonymous No.8194709]

>>8194708
You literally missed the point didn't you?

[Anonymous No.8194719]

>>8194709
No he was clearly going for the "pinnacle of the genre" category, otherwise thr anime would have been something actually mainstream like kenshiro or pokemon

[Anonymous No.8194722]

>>8190097
You spelled "chaconne in d minor for violin" wrong

[Anonymous No.8194726]

>>8189231
>>Anime has Kakifly's K-On!

yeah buddy

[Anonymous No.8194729]

>>8194719
You're stupid.

[Anonymous No.8194730]

>>8194719
>K-On!
>Not mainstream

I think you need to stop.

[Anonymous No.8194954]

>>8194730
K on is not mainstream, as a weeb your worldview is distorted

[Anonymous No.8194966]

>>8192785
>Not deep
Read all of Freud's major works then re-watch EVA and you will shit yourself. Anno really knew his Freud.

[Anonymous No.8194971]

Is Beethoven's 7th Symphony (2nd movement) pleb-tier?

It's my favourite piece from him desu.

[Anonymous No.8194976]

>>8189797
He didn't say they are objectively the best, you dumb. They are the most widely perceived to be the best, or at least the most well known.

[Anonymous No.8194989]

>>8194971
It was very innovative and experimental for the time and it led to a greater knowledge about the boundaries of repetition but I wouldn't call it the best of beethoven by a stretch

[Anonymous No.8194996]

>>8194971
Senpai, that is also my favorite desu

[Anonymous No.8195000]

>>8194976
>objectively the best
This isn't even a thing. All is subjective when it comes to art.

[Anonymous No.8195020]

>>8189999
This nigger got it.

[Anonymous No.8195025]

>>8189231
The Quixote you plebeian, uncultured fuck

[Anonymous No.8195188]

>>8195000
>art is subjective

sure is pleb in here

[Anonymous No.8195212]

>>8195188
You know that it is true to an extent; who can say what's better between war and peace and don quixote?

[Anonymous No.8195213]

>>8195212
Bloom.

[Anonymous No.8195228]

Mozart's Requiem is better than gaytoven's 9th

[Anonymous No.8195231]

fag

[Anonymous No.8195257]

>>8195188
>* is objective
Sure is spooky in here

[Anonymous No.8195266]

>>8192773
Wow, found the pleb.

[Anonymous No.8195360]

>>8195228
>things plebs say

also lol at "mozart"'s requiem. don't you mean sussmayr my little pleblet?

[Anonymous No.8195371]

>>8189231
>Painting : Mona Lisa.

Obviously you don't know nothing.

[Anonymous No.8195373]

>>8190811

[Anonymous No.8195374]

>>8189231

>Painting : Mona Lisa.

Fucking Pleb

[Anonymous No.8195381]

>>8191068
>ywn play SOTC for the first time again.