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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:23:58 No.8177490 [Reply] [Original]

Essays, Criticism, History etc edition

What are your favorite non-fiction books *about* SFF?

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>Sci-Fi
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>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:28:39 No.8177503 I decided to go with A Wizard at Earthsea for my next sff read. Didn't read Le Guin in a while and it seems like a good, fun read.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:29:32 No.8177505 >>8177503 >and it seems like a good, fun read. It's neither of those things.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:35:29 No.8177526 >>8177503 >>8177505 I've never seen what other people see in Le Guin, she and her bibliography haven't aged well; I can't tell if It's because I wasn't an American in the 60's or because I've experienced the result of her preached morals.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:38:11 No.8177542 >>8177505 Opinions of people with taste seem to be quite the opposite. >>8177526 I've only read Left Hand of Darkness which was the best "world building" I've read with solid characters and a general contemplative nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:38:25 No.8177543 File: 48 KB, 853x543, kenan n kellhus.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] nearly three weeks away get hype boyos

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:49:33 No.8177586
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Half way through red knight and I could see why you dinosaurs like it. And when I say dinosaurs, i mean the persons who like stories written in the old way.

In a world with magic, monsters and god, the book focuses on knights(people) and their struggle. Much concern isn't awarded the magical aspect of the novel, it's people struggling against a foe stronger than they are, and using humanity to prevail.... which is a bunch of shit. I don't read fantasy books for authors to wax poetic/philosophical on how great the animal called human is when they come together as one to face a foe, I read fantasy books to see shit people can't do in reality.

Why the fuck would I want to read something that is as close to the crusades, just with fae creatures and greek deity names thrown in.

You think I read to be brainwashed that people are actually nice, when they deserve to be purged from this world? Fuck you pro human scum.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:50:19 No.8177592 Reading A Clash of Kings at the moment. I am enjoying it more than AGoT, it seems to have a faster pace with more things happening than AGoT did.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:53:55 No.8177607 >>8177586 >You think I read to be brainwashed that people are actually nice, when they deserve to be purged from this world? Fuck you pro human scum. Hi Ligotti.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:58:03 No.8177627 >>8177586 >i mean the persons who like stories written in the old way. I think you mean "well written books" because that's what you just described.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 15:58:29 No.8177629 >>8177586 >Why the fuck would I want to read something that is as close to the crusades, just with fae creatures and greek deity names thrown in. Because reading for inhuman unrelated to human experience themes are boring.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:16:41 No.8177711 >>8177542 Left Hand of Darkness is amazing.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:20:45 No.8177728

>>8177627
"Old way" is:
-magic that isn't explained (not talking deep Sanderson lore shit, I'm talk "i ain't got to explain shit" shit)
-focuses on adventure
-people are the magic, you show how the smallest person can make the difference for humanity
-it's a fucking Knights book, no toilets, and they are just discovering gun powder during the novel
-the GRI i was promised is non existent, even though I'm halfway through the novel(unless you call Michael's cunny and the Drover's cunny GRI.. and those happened behind the scenes)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:21:37 No.8177735 >>8177711 I didn't find it amazing, but it was certainly a worthwhile read.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:34:59 No.8177797

>>8177728
>Old way
>magic that isn't explained (not talking deep Sanderson lore shit, I'm talk "i ain't got to explain shit" shit)

You mean "magic isn't explained in a way that a retarded 9 year old would understand", right? because otherwise your wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:43:32 No.8177839 >>8177490 >Lem writes a whole essay about how PKD is one of the only SF writers he respects >Dick thought "Stanislaw Lem" was a pseudonym used by dozens of ghostwriters as part of a Soviet conspiracy Feels bad man

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:46:36 No.8177848 >>8177839 To be fair, by that time Dick was going mental so anything he said should be taken with a grain of salt.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:47:58 No.8177855
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Anyone read this?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22859850-dark-intelligence

I need a break from fantasy and want some space opera type sci-fi to read. This seems pretty good to me.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:50:19 No.8177867

>>8177848
Dick was an interesting read only because he was mental, interestingly enough.
I've read 8 of his novels, and he's sadly been getting more and more predictable and 'of the same' with each novel. Not sure if I should read any more of him.
Maybe I've just grown out of him.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:50:49 No.8177872 >>8177505 hello plebo

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:51:32 No.8177878 >>8177872 Hello woman.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:52:00 No.8177881 >>8177855 Did you read Hyperion? Because if you haven't, that's the best space opera out there, with maybe Book of the Long Sun which is closer to game of thrones in space by a competent writer without cheap tricks.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:53:23 No.8177884 >>8177878 We don't have women here. But you should read Theresa of Avila and Edith Stein.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 16:57:31 No.8177903 >>8177881 I haven't read those, but I want something new and set in space as far away from a fantasy type setting as possible.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:04:06 No.8177930

>>8177903
Oh, forgot, also Golden Age by John C Wright.

Ranking and descriptions
Hyperion- 6 (I think) characters with specific backgrounds converge to a pilgrimage in the end of which is a Shrike, some spooky being which may or may not fulfill their wishes. Read the first two books. A ride for the imagination with strong characterisation, but lackluster in how it all unveils. A good read, especially if you like Keats.
Golden Age is space libertarians with plot twists and insane tech. Well done, but also weak 3rd book. But has the most space in it.
Book of the Long Sun is the second series set in the Solar Cycle, but barely related to the first. Would recommend only if you like Wolfe to get to Book of the Short Sun. It's quite a drag at times, but very intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:12:56 No.8177958 >>8177881 >game of thrones in space by a competent writer without cheap tricks. I'm sold. Beginning reading right now.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:17:52 No.8177981

>>8177958
It's slow, the reason I make the comparison is that there are at least 15 major, important characters all of whom play a significant role in the plot which serves as Wolfe's exploration of his own prior works and continues with the Thomist admiration for ordination of the universe.
Don't expect something exciting, the first 600 pages cover like 2 days and it grows in scale massively later on.
Read Fifth Head of Cerberus (70 pages, can be found in Best of Gene Wolfe) and if you like what you read give it a go.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:19:04 No.8177988 >>8177958 It's nothing like GoT, you got baited.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:21:20 No.8178000 >>8177988 It has a large plot with a lot of characters, lots of politics and a looming mystery. There are a lot of elements that are similar, and I made myself clearer >>8177981

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:54:49 No.8178135

>>8177586
Obivously not the book for you. No one forced you to read this you know.

You're like those people who complain that they didnt like james joyce because they "read books for a story".
It's so whiny and just proves you only wanna complain about shit fuckj

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 17:56:05 No.8178138 >>8178135 But Joyce has a very nice story, what do they complain about?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 18:15:52 No.8178217 >>8177797 >your

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 18:20:17 No.8178248 Who is the retard who complained that Earthsea had a strange language which was forcing ye old English? Because this is really straightforward (in a good way).

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 18:57:04 No.8178430 >Rothfuss ripped off Le Guin's magic I can loathe the disgusting fuck even more now, glad I picked it up.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 19:07:56 No.8178466 >>8177490 How does one get into writing this genre? I'd be more interested in writing like Lem than Orson Scott Card.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 19:31:54 No.8178563 >>8176055 >Supposed to have 16 metals because muh 16 >Instead become 23 Bravo sanderson

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 19:42:52 No.8178615

>>8177728
>-magic that isn't explained (not talking deep Sanderson lore shit, I'm talk "i ain't got to explain shit" shit)
You mean magic is mysterious rather than over-explained? Because even in Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, which is one of the lightest on magical explanation I've found, and which gets shit on by dino-anon in this thread, magic is explained insofar as the characters understand it. In the story when the Gray Mouser is introduced, the magic he uses is explained at least in broad strokes, for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 19:45:18 No.8178627 >>8177392 Simak has nice ideas and, as I recall, incredibly sincere prose. He feels like a more educated Bradbury.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 19:57:11 No.8178667 >>8178430 I've always wondered why the publishing industry is so lax towards plagiarism, It's amazing how liberal the definition of plagiarism has become too; popular authors sometimes even brag about it!

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 20:47:46 No.8178897 what is a fantasy book about an adventure of people travelling like in lotr? not like asoiaf where its politics and wars

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 20:56:11 No.8178932 >>8178897 by travelling I mean going from a to b like in the hobbit or fellowship of the ring

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 20:57:43 No.8178936

>>8177958
It's nothing like GOT with its crude, awful prose which changes POVs every five minutes nor is it full of incest subtext.

Although I hate literary fiction and usually avoids 'dinosaur fiction' except for the really nice ones (I'm not that memer who openly shits on everything though) Hyperion's prose was just magnificent. It was exactly the right number of parts lyrical to convey both the worldbuilding, characterisation and plot without feeling too beige or too purple. I greatly enjoyed how the author did not explicitly spell out every phenomenon but left enough detail to synthesise an explanation. A thorougly enjoyable read.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 20:59:23 No.8178942 >>8178932 and with all the marvels between a and b of course

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:01:29 No.8178952 >>8178897 >>8178932 >>8178942 /lit/ is a pretty slow board friendo, let your question sit for an hour or so

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:01:55 No.8178953

I'm trying to find a book I started reading but never finished ages ago. The only thing I remember about it was that it was a fantasy setting, and the main character receives a grievous head injury at the start (I think they get thrown off a cliff?), some monk-surgeon rescues them and uses some gold coins to make a metal plate for their skull and goes "if you live you owe me the coins, if not it doesn't matter."

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:01:58 No.8178954 >>8178952 I did and nobody responded (not him)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:04:42 No.8178965 >>8178954 Probably means no one was interested. Happens to me too.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:04:56 No.8178966 >>8178954 Link it again this thread usually has a flamewar or two going on and everything else's a blur

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:21:59 No.8179049 File: 1.89 MB, 3264x1836, muh_backlog2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Spent 7 hours at bookstore today. Bought 400 SFF. Exhausted.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:24:14 No.8179059 File: 1.14 MB, 1916x1800, Pauline-Baynes-Middle-earth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8178897 I honestly can't think of anything more like that. >>8177503 Le Guin a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:30:06 No.8179078 >>8179049 I'm sorry, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:31:08 No.8179083 >>8178897 I am trying to write one but I've heard Belgariad is like that. I've also heard Belgariad is terrible.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:40:00 No.8179119 File: 170 KB, 743x1100, 1435401462768-0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8179083 >I am trying to write one Neat. What does your setting look like?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:45:06 No.8179138 Reading The Worm Ourobouros atm. If this isn't essential Dinosaurcore I don't know what is. Not even Tolkien comes close to this level of archaism

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:53:04 No.8179174

>>8179138
>essential Dinocore
Eddison, Hodgson
>extreme Dinocore
Dunsany, MacDonald
>exalted Dinocore
William Morris

>>8179119
Incredibly big planet with human civilizations rising, gaining modern+ tech levels, and falling without generally knowing about each other; landforms are huge, weather is huge, all kinds of strange and magical creatures keep vast swathes of territory generally deadly for humans; most societies assume the ocean is a myth. I'm trying to create fantasy for a modern audience that does what fantasy did for a pre-modern audience, to recreate the feeling of not knowing for sure what was over the next hill, knowing there's a chance someone you've never heard of like the Cimbri will cross the Alps and burn your civilization to the ground.

I know that's been a theme of SF since Wells, but there's something less visceral about space, something harder to pick up intuitively. I'm trying to make a world we couldn't explore, just like the Romans couldn't really have explored Earth. Imagine if Lewis and Clark had reached the Pacific, but on the other side of the Pacific there was another America to explore, how long it would have taken us to get there and colonize it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 21:54:41 No.8179182 >>8179049 Why would someone buy a book when you could just as easily, if not more easily, download an ebook for free

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:01:11 No.8179212 >>8179182 Why would someone download an ebook when you could just as easily, if not more easily, buy a book? I get a lot more reading done with physical books.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:02:30 No.8179218 >>8179212 >it's easier to buy a book >Go to bookstore >Purchase book >Go back home meawhile >click a few buttons on a computer at home

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:09:35 No.8179261 File: 2.13 MB, 852x480, cigar implant.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8179212 Why would someone buy a book when you could just as easily, if not more easily, hire a skald? I get a lot more reading done with oral sagas.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:11:59 No.8179268
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Anything else like this?

I especially liked the whole "skeleton crew on an ancient, decrepit ship that's taken on a life of its own so much that the crew is afraid to go on certain decks" thing it had going on.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:13:24 No.8179275
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>>8179174
Sounds great. I'm not so sure about the tech though, I don't think post-industrialization phantasies has ever worked for me. The attempt at recapturing the sense of wonder and the unknown that was ever so present until recently in the human experience is admirable though. Sounds perfectly set up for a story about someone undertaking a long and perilous journey through ancient lands and undiscovered places. I'd love to read it if you ever finish it, especially if you are influenced by the great masters of Dinocore.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:16:13 No.8179287 >>8179275 I'm working on it, but writing is hard. I wish it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:17:50 No.8179294 >>8179049 Why would you buy that many books at once.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:17:52 No.8179295 >>8179261 You plebs and your audiobooks :3

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:18:58 No.8179299 >>8179294 They were cheap?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:29:17 No.8179356 >>8179218 You know amazon exists right?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:38:56 No.8179407 >>8179356 Does amazon deliver to your house in 5 seconds after you purchase?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:41:27 No.8179419 >>8179407 A fraction of a second, actually, unless you prefer your books on bundles of scrolls or stone tablets or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:51:35 No.8179459 >>8179419 Oh cool tell me how amazon delivery breaks the speed of light then

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:52:55 No.8179462 >>8179407 If you live in a decent sized city you can get it on a few hours They're working on cutting that down to 30 minutes with amazon air

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:53:04 No.8179464 >>8179299 Maybe it's because i'm not from Clapistan, but 400 books at, at least, 1 buck each(and up), doesn't really seem cheap to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:54:43 No.8179467 >>8179459 We learned how to keep the book and throw away the paper, nerd.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:55:43 No.8179470 >>8179464 Dude probably got them for a dollar a bag or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:56:57 No.8179473 >>8179462 Also this is all assuming you can even find the pdf immediately when it can take a good hour or two for obscure stuff if you find it at all. #bookz exists of course but they have a queue system in place and that can get kinda long

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 22:59:31 No.8179482 Any brothas writing fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:06:46 No.8179508 >>8179287 If it was easy it would not be a task worth undertaking.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:08:17 No.8179512 >>8178897 The Dark Tower by Steven King >>8178953 If the main character is female it might be Best Served Cold

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:09:19 No.8179515 >>8179049 400? What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:10:19 No.8179522 >>8179464 >>8179470 Yeah, 10 for a dollar.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:11:27 No.8179525
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>>8179482
>tfw want to write fantasy but I know anything I do write will at best result in shitty fan-fiction tier work.

I like the idea of it being centred around some magic item, and the story is from the perspective of the person holding that magic item. Set in a world where magic items are really common but usually too dangerous for normal people to use.

But it'd just end up being seen as a shitty Lord of the Rings knock off because it's the king of powerful artifacts controlling people.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:22:51 No.8179551 >>8179482 Absolutely. >tfw I want fantasy that's not lolmagic and not a cut-and-dried magic system, so I study old alchemy books and they're really boring

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:29:25 No.8179563 >>8179482 I really want to write a fantasy novel with the technology of the late 19th/early 20th century. Men and orcs going at it with bolt actions and what not.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:31:05 No.8179568

>>8179525
Those are excuses. Either sit down and do it or stop talking about it. There's no loss to doing it, even if it's crap you'll learn a lot and feel good about having achieved something. But if you're a sissy and won't try, don't even pretend like you're considering it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:32:24 No.8179572 >>8179563 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcanum:_Of_Steamworks_and_Magick_Obscura Like this?

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:38:06 No.8179589

>>8179572
Yea I suppose so. Spoiler alert the elves stab the orcs in the back in the war and cause them to go full nationalist mode in which they genocide elves and eastern men en masse in an attempt to gain more living space and free themselves from international capitalism but are ultimately crushed by the forces of men who's rival ideologies have both been subverted by said elves in order to stamp out the spirit and will or the orcs once and for all.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:40:27 No.8179591 >>8179482 No, I'm planning to do so later when I have finished the two science fiction stories I'm currently writing.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:41:48 No.8179596 >>8179589 You got it wrong, gnomes are the kikes. Orcs are negroes and elves are germanics and italians. Humans are obviously anglos.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:46:10 No.8179610 >>8179596 Those elves will accept multiculti and they'll fucking like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:51:54 No.8179632 File: 159 KB, 310x400, Ke'ree.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8179610 No, let's just put the gnomes in the oven instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:56:36 No.8179655 File: 51 KB, 248x365, arcanum-tales.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8179572 Reinstalling. Thanks, so much for finishing one of my stories.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:57:10 No.8179659 >>8179632 But then they'll get their own gnome-state out of it at the expense of the orcs and be able to operate behind the scenes freely without fear of criticism because >oy remember the gnomes

Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:58:49 No.8179667

>>8179482
Yes, a novel where Oberon and the court of Faerie fled a powerful being grown weary of their mischief through space and time to a distant world that is in the process of reincarnating from a realm of animals to a realm of mankind. They found a band of humans that found their way there from classical Japan, and Oberon set himself up as Emperor, hoping that by their disguise they might hide themselves from their creditors.

The heroine is a shrine maiden placed in a fake family sent to spy on the Fairy King, preserving them from the dangers of their underworld journey through her extreme maidenly purity.

Fake family becomes real, fairies become more humanlike, humans become more fey, Romantic poets have cameos as dragons and tree spirits, horse archers hunt stegosaurs and groups of firemen patrol the streets at night, burning away foliage so the town isn't swallowed by the power of this world's life energy.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 18, 2016 23:59:41 No.8179675 >>8179659 You just have to make sure to get all of them and win the war against the humans.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:02:37 No.8179685 File: 54 KB, 550x268, 2-1-Welthauptstadt_Germania.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8179675 I know what I must do. Thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:02:51 No.8179687 >>8179675 >Human empire covers 1/4 of the planet >Massive human industrial complex guarded by the sea while your navy sucks Not gonna happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:05:37 No.8179700 >>8179687 >implying we won't win the war in the east before winter and create Fortress Elfurope

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:05:54 No.8179701 >>8179687 If only the humans had realised that the fight between the Elves and the Gnomes was none of their business.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:24:55 No.8179777
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>>8179687
>Implying the new great magical weapon wouldn't subjugate the human colonies
Remember that elves are the best at magic and that without their expertise humans wouldn't have come very far.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:26:47 No.8179780 Do you think when including mythic figures you should try to hide it by changing their name, and personality or should you just play it straight?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:27:31 No.8179786 >>8179780 Depends on what you are doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 00:28:00 No.8179790 >>8179059 Quality comment friendo, thanks for the valuable input.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:01:04 No.8179924 Has this become a Divinity: Dragon Commander thread?

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:12:59 No.8179977
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>>8179924
It would make a great fantasy novel, religious authoritarian skeletons, hippie pot smoking elves, capitalist dwarves... Are there any fantasy books out there like that?

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:29:36 No.8180050

>>8177490
>ask /sffg/ for non-kiddy fantasy recs
>tell me to get gene wolfe's the wizard knight shit
>order a copy on the amazon webpage
>find out later the protagonist is some teenage shitbird cunt

if i ever run across one of you cunts irl, i'm going to choke the shit out of you for real

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:31:33 No.8180058 In was directed to this thread is The Dagger and the Coin series by Daniel Abraham worth the read?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:34:04 No.8180067 Is there anything like the Name of the Wind, but, ya know, good?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:38:41 No.8180085 >>8177881 oh come on, Wolfe is literally unreliable narrator: the writer, he is full of cheap tricks

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:42:59 No.8180107 >>8180050 >not trusting in the Wolfeman

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:44:55 No.8180112

Post the most memorable scene from the last SFF book you read
Same anon who asked for recs on last threads, will get started with worm ouroboros as soon as I finish Lolita

>But Túrin sped far before them, and came to Cabed-en-Aras, and stood still; and he heard the roaring of the water, and saw that all the trees near and far were withered, and their sere leaves fell mournfully, as though winter had come in the first days of summer.

>'Cabed-en-Aras, Cabed Naeramarth!' he cried. 'I will not defile your waters where Níniel was washed. For all my deeds have been ill, and the latest the worst.' Then he drew forth his sword, and said: 'Hail Gurthang, iron of death, you alone now remain! But what lord or loyalty do you know, save the hand that wields you? From no blood will you shrink. Will you take Túrin Turambar? Will you slay me swiftly?'

>And from the blade rang a cold voice in answer: 'Yes, I will drink your blood, that I may forget the blood of Beleg my master, and the blood of Brandir slain unjustly. I will slay you swiftly.' Then Túrin set the hilts upon the ground, and cast himself upon the point of Gurthang, and the black blade took his life.
It's stated early that the sword can act of its own volition, but it never comes up until that scene.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:51:20 No.8180138
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http://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/submissions/

Has anyone had any experience with these guys? I notice they have a ton of content conditions which makes me wonder if they get less submissions in general, and might be worth a shot.

I also wrote a couple of horror short stories, any recs on places that might publish them? I've got a few sites that do short fiction already but I'm always looking for more.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 01:54:50 No.8180153 >>8180112 The Name of the Wind >there was this demon spider thing that was interesting and had some mystery to it Of course, what passed for the "story" had nothing to do with it.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:01:04 No.8180176

>>8180138
>Extreme Content: We prefer that graphic sex and violence not escalate beyond the level of an R-rated movie. We also insist that sex and sadistic violence not be acted upon children.
>Fairy Tales / Myths: We usually find that fairy tale-style or myth-style narratives don’t provide a gritty or immediate enough perspective to make us feel the texture of the secondary world or the direness of the protagonist’s struggle. Any fairy tale-type or myth-type story probably isn’t right for us.
What sort of faggotry is this? You can't submit classical styled stories because they aren't edgy enough but you can't' get very edgy either.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:09:24 No.8180208 >>8180176 I think that's just their market. mythological and fairytale stuff is too whimsical or "weird" for normie fantasy fans who like violence and so forth, but only up to a point. Gotta cater to your audience.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:11:54 No.8180214 >>8180112 The ending of Red Seas Under Red Skies, where Locke and Jean are trying to decide who gets to drink the antidote

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:18:17 No.8180235 >>8180176 Seems fairly reasonable to me. They want something "realistic" but they also don't want porn, snuff or otherwise.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:19:37 No.8180239

>>8179268
I read the trilogy + Chasm City some 15 years ago (fuck I'm getting old...) and what stuck with me best was the scale, both with regard to time and space. If it's the scary ship part you're most interested in, give Ship of Fools/Unto Leviathan by Russo a try.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:20:19 No.8180241 >>8179182 >implying you could have found half of these books online The day you quit the shitty memes yo will realize there's not so much books available on the net.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:25:57 No.8180266 >>8180241 read better books then?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:27:02 No.8180272 >>8180266 >best books are the most popular ones Try again.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:27:49 No.8180274 >Nothing will happen to me t. seer 5 minutes before getting head blown off How could a seer not see that coming? Malazan

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:31:06 No.8180290 >>8180241 >>8180272 Where are you looking?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:40:13 No.8180319 ...I'm gonna die before The Great Ordeal comes out...

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:42:57 No.8180333 >>8180319 It's a bad book anyway

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:46:19 No.8180343 >>8180290 In bookshops. Sometimes I buy on Amazon or get a page I need from Google Books but they almost have what I need.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:47:03 No.8180347 >>8180343 No, on the net.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:48:31 No.8180350 >>8180241 >>implying you could have found half of these books online Im pretty sure you actually can if you would search for more then 3 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:53:17 No.8180366 >>8180235 But how are you supposed to write gritty fantasy without GRI?

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 02:54:19 No.8180368

>>8180347
Google, Bookz and other IRC channels, Archive.org, torrentz, btdigg, rutorrents, Google Books, the endless stream of DDL Bloggers (at least until MU went down), .edu websites, each countries' national library website, and pretty much everywhere I can go link-by-link.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:03:47 No.8180382 >>8180368 And what are the grimoires you're not finding there that are available at Amazon? >tfw you have books on your to-read list that are only at university libraries on the other side of the country

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:07:26 No.8180386

>>8180382
So you really think there's a person who bothered scanning 400+ pulp science-fiction titles then randomly dumped it on the internet? Can you actually find them or are you just telling me that it's there, lost somewhere in the hyperspace?

Anyway, you would be incredibly naive to think there's an obscure, invisible nameless army spending days and nights buying, scanning, editing and publishing for free millions of books on the internet. Google itself don't work this much, and it even got denied the right to make its funds available a couple of years ago by a European court.

However, if I'm wrong, if I'm a retard who didn't search for more than three seconds, I guess you could find an .epub of the books I bought last week in the local bookshop. Could you?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:10:24 No.8180396 >>8180386 Is this one of those "how did I feel about X book" posts?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:11:25 No.8180398 >>8180386 Maybe your problem isn't not having what you want as much as not wanting what you have.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:13:18 No.8180405 >>8180382 I know that feel bro. I can't really justify dropping $300 on a out-of-print translation of a Soviet book on military doctrine, or even $150 on newer books about mining blasting and ore extraction.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:14:43 No.8180407 >>8180386 >So you really think there's a person who bothered scanning 400+ pulp science-fiction titles then randomly dumped it on the internet? You said you looked on archive.org.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:15:47 No.8180411

>>8180398
I have no problems. I can find anything I need. The question is, could you? Because you—I assume you're the same user—suggest everything's available online and that there's no point looking for a book in a shop any more. As the conversation goes on it appears the book must not be a “grimoire”, nor obscure, nor unpopular. Now… Are you telling me you can get everything on the internet as long as it's something that is available on internet? Wow! Great!

>>8180407
YES. That's exactly what I wrote. I just posted “archive.org”.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:18:27 No.8180424 >>8180050 Lel you actually took it. It's more mature than anything you've read in fantasy this year probably so I don't feel bad, but taking advice based on one comment without any looking into it is pretty strange you rich American fuck.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:19:04 No.8180426

>>8180411
>YES. That's exactly what I wrote. I just posted “archive.org”.
And then you said no one bothers scanning pulp SF and putting it on the internet.

>suggest everything's available online and that there's no point looking for a book in a shop any more.
Wait, you were the one with the trunk full of Brian Jacques, Robert Jordan, and Man-Kzin wars. I'm sorry, if I knew you were retarded I would never have brought it up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:20:04 No.8180431 >>8180386 >However, if I'm wrong, if I'm a retard who didn't search for more than three seconds, I guess you could find an .epub of the books I bought last week in the local bookshop. Could you? Dude, you bought Larry Niven.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:20:52 No.8180432 >>8180085 How are those cheap? And the Long Sun has no first person, so there's no narrator.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:21:16 No.8180433 >>8180426 >>8180431 I don't know who you're talking about but if this gives you a nice way-out and protect your ego, let's do it.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:21:45 No.8180434

>Start reading what I think is a fantasy book
>Looks like it's modern era
>The author seems to be incredibly misogynistic, woman hating
>Half way through realize I got the wrong book with a very similar title
>It was actually a biography of someone

Well, that took me by surprise

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:23:17 No.8180436 >>8180433 He's a popular author certainly to be on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:23:19 No.8180437 >>8180432 >araminiposting this hard

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:23:54 No.8180439 >>8180434 Did you think you were reading the setup to some kick-ass magic realism or what?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:24:21 No.8180440 >>8180434 hood's breath man, how did you read half of the book without realizing what it was

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:24:44 No.8180442 >>8180436 I just think I got what you're talking about. I'm sorry but I'm not the guy that bought a box of SF books. I'm just fed up of the “y no ebookz” meme.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:25:11 No.8180445

>>8180433
Follow the thread:
>>8179049
bought 400 SFF
>>8179182
says you could get ebooks for free
>>8180241
gets butthurt about books not being available online.
So you're saying you jumped in and assumed trunkanon's identity, but YOUR 400 books were all classy old pulp titles?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:26:47 No.8180454 File: 17 KB, 953x343, no-title.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8180445 I think you got something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:26:57 No.8180455 >>8180437 But Long Sun has no first person narrator, even if it's written by an in universe character. It's not unreasonable in the way his other novels are.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:30:07 No.8180466 >>8180454 You shouldn't have talked about buying 400 books if you didn't want to be mixed up with the anon that bought 400 books.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:30:52 No.8180469 >>8180439 I thought it was something like, the magic isn't revealed until later in the book, with the first part describing the characters normal lives, and then after that it will all change with magic, until I realized what I was reading

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:31:08 No.8180471 >>8180454 But the anon who asked why they hadn't got it online was obviously referring to the trunk full of Niven, not your super special obscure limited edition pulp treasury.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:31:19 No.8180472 >>8180455 are you really aramini? man, i was just sniping at random. scrolled and clicked and the first comment i replied to. i bet you really are aramini, you fag. i remember when you got shamed into not being a namefag anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:32:26 No.8180476 >>8180434 Wow, real life is misogynistic, who would have guessed, maybe the feminists aren't just complaining about useless things all this time... /s

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:32:38 No.8180477 >>8180466 I thought it was clear. I was just saying it's stupid to seriously think these 400 titles are available online. >>8180471 Did you open this picture?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:32:52 No.8180478 >>8180469 Was the biography at least interesting?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:33:44 No.8180484 File: 522 KB, 510x680, {379A72A9-5F2D-4E2C-B26A-C03CF2F1BFD4}Img100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what does /lit/ think of witcher series?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:34:10 No.8180486 >>8180478 It stopped being interesting when I realized there would be no fun stuff coming

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:36:37 No.8180494 >>8180477 So you are trunkanon? Did you expect someone to be impressed with all of your post-1980 mass market paperbacks? Bertram Chandler, yeah, that's old, but he was reprinted in the 70s at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:37:59 No.8180498 >>8180484 Don't read after the first volume, and even that one is just kinda neat at times. >>8180472 I am not aramini himself, no.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:38:59 No.8180501 >>8180477 >it's stupid to think Robert Jordan is available online

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:39:03 No.8180502 >>8180494 God… I'm not “Trunkanon”(?) and I'm not the guy who bought a box of SFF. I'm a random anon, I just open 4chan. The discussion is severely derailing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:39:46 No.8180506 >>8179182 Because not everyone is a degenerate poorfag who can't even afford a couple of dollars to buy a book like you.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:39:50 No.8180507

>>8180085
i like how people throw this unreliable narrator thingy without trying to prove it either by the inner inconsistency or by violating the rules of nature (as the nature is set in that book)

i once read a blog post where some silly sheep claimed odysseus as an unreliable narrator, lol, the sole reason it was "muh we know of most of his adventures from his own account"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:40:05 No.8180508 >>8180501 Sure mate! It's a box full of 400 Jordan's prints! You got me.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:42:12 No.8180513 >>8180498 i really liked the game, do you think its worth the time to give it a read? im a slow reader

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:44:47 No.8180521 >>8180477 >I thought it was clear. I was just saying it's stupid to seriously think these 400 titles are available online. Tell me a book and let me see if I can find it.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:45:05 No.8180523

>>8180513
The game honestly has better writing.
It's just a mediocre read, was for me even in high school.
It's a quick and easy read, it'll take you like 3-4 hours because it reads really easy, but I'd go with something else, unless your only other choice was Name of the Wind or Wheel of Time.

>>	Not Box-san Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:47:37 No.8180530 >>8180521 I'm not Anonbox. I just presume it is the case.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:49:22 No.8180535

>>8180523
already bought the 3 first books off the bat. im kinda compulsive at times.

i got a trip with 20 hour travel time soon, so need something to read, so i thought witchers were a good idea.

Would you recommend anything else? I like the folklore theme.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:54:21 No.8180545 >>8180530 Scanning books is not that time costly as many people would imagine if a publisher can make a thousand dollars from scanning one book it will easily be worth there time.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 03:55:07 No.8180547

>>8180535
Croatian Tales of Long Ago for the real quality Slav myth.
I don't know many folklore stuff honestly (there was a chart floating around, but I haven't saved it, maybe some else has it), but I'd go with Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser for a fun read, it's well written, has great characters and is a bunch of smaller stories so you won't get bored by the same long one.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:01:10 No.8180560

Total pleb here. What is a low brow, just overly violent and fun fantasy book? I'm talking morally ambiguous main characters, dark and edgy humor, etc. Shit like the Blade Itself.

I've read the prince of nothing and didn't like it at all. Closest to perfect I've read was Grunts by Mary Gentle.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:02:19 No.8180562
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>>8180547
Thanks

Whats the difference between those two?

The top one is 10 euro more expensive, but only has 84 pages

The bottom one has 284 pages, and is "classic reprint"

Not Box-san Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:04:15 No.8180565

>>8180545
A publisher who desires to sell the book online, sure, but it cannot be applied to older issues. In addition there are publishing houses that don't, and this tremendous amount of unfree titles still need to be bought, hacked if protected then released, which isn't necessary done. Anyway, I rarely need a book not published prior to 1990 so it doesn't help me. I don't want to speak again about this infamous box but it doesn't look like the books were issued in this decade.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:04:28 No.8180567 >>8180562 Don't get baited m8, the Croatian guy is just shilling books for no other reason that they're from his country. If you like folklore get The Once and Future King.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:10:47 No.8180588

>>8180562
Classic reprint probably has the original images and more tales, but I don't think you can fit everything in 84 pages. I assume, I didn't read it these editions. Here's a link to the Tales, you can try one and get the, I'd recommend 300 page version, if you like it.
https://archive.org/details/croatiantalesofl00brli

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:13:34 No.8180593

>>8180567
And it's impossible for the book to be good for what reason exactly? It's a collection of short stories, he can read one in 25 minutes and if he doesn't like it, no reason to read more or buy it.
And For Once isn't exactly the Witcher type folklore he wanted, it's arthurian myth which is not exactly something fresh, regardless of the book being good or not.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:17:22 No.8180602

>2nd Malazan book
>There's apparently some kind of uprising
>No idea what's going on
>No idea who all the characters are
>No idea what the fuck anyone is doing

The bridge burners? What happened to Anomando Raik why haven't I heard of him or where even the action is taking place this is so confusing
The first book was much more clearer but maybe it will change when I get to the end

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:21:29 No.8180611 >>8180602 He changes the characters often so he can draw it all out and endlessly annoy you.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:24:34 No.8180623

>tfw I want to write about a certain historical period but I keep running into things I don't know about it
>tfw I keep coming up with tricks for why characters would wear potentially anachronistic armor or I just figure if I can't find out how commoners dressed none of my readers could either
>tfw when I'm too honest to do it

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:31:06 No.8180639
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>>8180588
>hmm. Its shorter than i anticipated, i expected more words pr page, not like this is a bad thing, But i would finish it too quick if i brought it for the trip i think.
I got to page 20, really liking it actually.

>>8180593
I've never read, or know anything about arthurian myth, so it might be a good time to try

>>8180567
Any difference with different covers?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:32:07 No.8180641 >>8180639 dont know why i greentexted that

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:32:12 No.8180642 >>8180560 The Lies of Locke Lamora The Steel Remains Tome of the Undergates The Grim Company

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:35:01 No.8180651 >>8180639 Just click on them and compare? I think the middle one is hardcover and top is paperback.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:37:42 No.8180657 >>8180639 It was supposed to win a Nobel back when it was written, but it wasn't political enough for them. >>8180641 It certainly makes it read strange.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:40:02 No.8180665 >>8180593 If it was ever possible to make King Arthur fresh, T.H. White did it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:44:26 No.8180678 >>8180623 Just do some research, it's always appreciated as a reader. That being said, if the story is enjoyable, I don't think some historical inaccuracies will really bother anyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:44:31 No.8180679 >>8180651 the page number is different, but im thinking more of the way things are written, do they change anything in different versions?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:46:22 No.8180682 >>8180679 If it's the same book why would it be? Weird question. Page count depends on font size and things like that.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 04:49:59 No.8180687
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>>8180602
>where even the action is taking place
The first book took place on the continent of Genabackis, the second is on Seven Cities. Some decades ago the Malazan Empire conquered Seven Cities but there has been a rebellion recently. But seriously don't worry about knowing the "big picture" at the beginning of every novel, just enjoy each character's story. You might want to follow the Tor readalong as well.
http://www.tor.com/series/malazan-reread-of-the-fallen/

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 05:11:16 No.8180727
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>>8179268
Best hard sci-fi. Redemption Ark was my favorite. Many of the side stories were wonderful too.

>>8180319
>tfw waiting for ZTD leaks for days now
I feel like a goddamn JUNKIE

>>8180440
>hood's breath
why did I laugh

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 05:30:44 No.8180762 Didn't think I'd ever enjoy wanton butchering of language but damned if Chanur hasn't got the literary balls to manage it.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 06:25:34 No.8180863

>>8180665
I didn't read it yet, but there's plenty of very different Arthurian works, but none are fresh in the way Slav myth is to most readers.
Freshness doesn't even matter much, as long as the book is good of course, but if one is looking for something different I'd go with something else.
>>8180762
That's the furries in space meme book?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 06:36:18 No.8180877 So how is this Hyperion? Will I enjoy it if I liked Dune, BOTNS, Heinlein and PKD? Should I even bother with the sequels?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 06:38:58 No.8180880 >>8180877 The first two were great. Didn't read afterwards. Impressions of people are usually positive. Disclaimer, I was 15 when I read it.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Sun, Jun 19, 2016 06:49:55 No.8180896

>>8180877
i dropped it at the very beginning
i like heinlein (especially his works for american teenagers, his more serious stuff mostly meh), semi-like the first book of dune (the rest is meh), like some of pkd (not the most) and like botns

now, i want to read keats hyperion in the nearby future, i bet that hyperion is much better

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:11:44 No.8180925

Can someone explain to me, when I read books that include murder or killing, why do they all say how it
>hurts their soul
>can't sleep
>nightmares
Why would killing someone make you have nightmares or make you feel anything? It's just something you do, I don't understand

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:13:56 No.8180930

>>8180925

I've spoken with veterans and that is definitely something that happens. If you aren't a sociopath, killing a person is a traumatic experience and you will often have nightmares and trouble sleeping.

>it's just something you do

heh, nothin personnel, kid.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:18:31 No.8180940 >>8180930 >>it's just something you do >heh, nothin personnel, kid. I meant that as in, it's done, why give it a thought afterwards? It never happened to me but then again that wasn't during war so maybe my experience is different

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:18:41 No.8180942
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I've read American Gods and neverwhere, trying to go through the rest of the /lit/ recommended reading on urban fantasy but are there any recommendations on more books I should read that are similar?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:21:19 No.8180947 >>8180942 The best approach to Urban Fantasy is not reading urban fantasy.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:21:45 No.8180950

>>8180940

>I meant that as in, it's done, why give it a thought afterwards?

If we constantly lived in the present without ever thinking of past things we'd be animals, wouldn't we? It's human do dwell and revisit past memories, asking ourselves whether we could have done anything differently, and I assume this is especially true when it's a traumatic experience like killing someone.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:22:31 No.8180952 >>8180942 Apparently the web serial Worm is good. But I'd stay from Urban Fantasy that doesn't come from respectable writers as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:29:39 No.8180963 File: 61 KB, 1280x720, dark_souls_3_guide_generic_5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are there any good fantasy post-apocalyptic books?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:30:02 No.8180964 >>8180963 Book of the New Sun.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:32:45 No.8180972 >>8180947 >>8180952 Ok, any recommendations for gaiman then? Or is he not considered a respectable writer

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:35:53 No.8180979 >>8180972 You read his best novel, other than that he just has Sandman which is a comic.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:37:39 No.8180986 >>8177543 is this from prince of nothing? is really worth it?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:38:28 No.8180989 >>8180963 A canticle for leibowitz, though that's more science fiction it is very good however

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:39:15 No.8180992 >>8180972 Go for his comics. Gaiman is better for writing about books he likes than he is at writing his own.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:40:07 No.8180995 >>8180963 - The Shannara Saga - The Broken Empire trilogy

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:42:41 No.8181003 Anything with truly terrorizing non-human creatures, like the kind of thing people are scared of even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:47:45 No.8181012 >>8181003 Like leftists?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:51:04 No.8181018 File: 158 KB, 289x307, micio occhiolino.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181012

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:56:09 No.8181024 When will the 2nd age of myth book release? Considering it's already written

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:56:22 No.8181025 >>8180942 Have you read skulduggery pleasant? It's a kids series but I enjoyed it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 07:58:28 No.8181028 >>8180942 hi im the first guy to respond to your original thread im one of the more polite people here, but you didn't take the hint. people like you are generally disliked here.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:07:58 No.8181041
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Who /hype/ here?

Will this conclude the series or is there going to be a fifth book?
>>8180058

I have read the first four books and enjoyed them very much. There are some stretchy bits that are necessary to portrait charater development, and the 2nd half of the fourth book is a bit cheesy for my taste, but all in all it's a good series.

I'd also recommend the "The Emperor's Blades" series, if you like military medieval fantasy that leans a bit more towards the military side and has less (not none) elements of political intrigue to it.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:11:42 No.8181049
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>tfw just finished pic related

That ending was perfect and explains why (spoiler:) Bethod isn't the villain he was made out to be for most of the series.

I simultaneously like and dislike how this book could, theoretically, mean the end the entire First Law series and the three related standalones.

Also, I'd have appreciated some more Inquisitor Glokta background story.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:14:46 No.8181052 >>8181041 I really want to read this series because it sounds exactly like my shit, but the books are so huge and apparently the writing is fairly dense. I'm kind of in the mood for easy, short books right now. Maybe someday.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:20:13 No.8181059 >>8181028 Literately found it on the lit wikis fuck off

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:30:33 No.8181081

>>8180112
>But if you didn't have more urgent things to do after supper, you could write a letter, loaf, gossip, discuss the myriad mental and moral shortcomings of sergeants and, dearest of all, talk about the female of the species (we became convinced that there were no such creatures, just mythology created by inflamed imaginations - one boy in our company claimed to have seen a girl, over at regimental headquarters; he was unanimously judged a liar and a braggart).

Never fails to crack me up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:54:15 No.8181131 >>8181003 lovecraft

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 08:57:08 No.8181136 >>8181059 the people who responded told you things readers of gaiman already know, now youre jumping through hoops. gaiman and urban fantasy are trash. get a clue fucking faggot

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:04:24 No.8181152
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>>8181136
4 books on here in 3 different genres fuck you and fuck off, not only on this one but on the other areas of the wiki. I'm sorry I wanted similar books now go fuck off to somewhere else you can have a feeling of superiority

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:07:47 No.8181156 >>8181152 why the fuck is shannara on that list it's complete fucking shit garbage shouldn't even be mentioned anywhere

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:08:35 No.8181159 >>8181156 It also has Name of the Wind and other shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:10:58 No.8181164 >>8181152 Is Garth Nix's Sabriel really kiddy tier? My sister just lent me the trilogy and I'm all outta fantasy to read so I was planning on starting it tonight.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:16:31 No.8181171 >>8180437 I haven't posted yet. But I will. I WILL. soon.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:20:59 No.8181175

>>8180472
This is Aramini. Long Sun is completely full of cheap tricks because it has a first person narrator who is concealed until the last third of the final book; in the original publication the reveal is not in the epilogue and was changed by a copy editor without Wolfe's knowledge (chapter 13 of exodus from the long sun). The change has stood in subsequent reprints but Wolfe was very pissed when i told him about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:26:56 No.8181186 >>8181003 Blindsight had probably the most unnerving take on Vampires that I've seen.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:27:37 No.8181187

>>8181175
My favorite sf nonfiction:
Encyclodpedia of SF,
Delany's jewel hinged jaw (though we disagree about anthology, his criticism is lucid for a semiotician/post-structuralist)
Jad Smith wrote a very good book on brunner for the modern masters of sf line. Cambridge companion to sf and fantasy are okay ... aldiss's billion year spree. Darko suvin is seminal in the field.

The best book that will ever be written on Wolfe is Beyond Time and Memory, I am certain.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:30:25 No.8181191 >>8181187 Autocorrect changed ontology to anthology holy fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:30:39 No.8181192 >>8181156 It's in shit tier though

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:32:16 No.8181194 >>8180986 Yes, it's great.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:36:49 No.8181203 >>8181187 When is it coming out? I finished Short Sun and it was great. His 4th best work from what I've read.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:37:53 No.8181204

>>8181156
When it was published there was nothing else on the market ... eddings, brooks, the rest was older sword and sorcery type stuff. Since then fantasy and long books have proven either profitable or easy to write, and shannara looks extremely mediocre. Publishing pressures forced it into a prominent place. No ebooks, had to buy what books were on shelves.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:39:01 No.8181207 >>8180963 Bakker's Prince of Nothing

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:43:09 No.8181213

>>8180925
My father is 75 now but was in early Vietnam in Marine Recon. He has a pragmatic take: kill em before they kill you. Cut a man's throat with his boot knife when he couldn't reach his rifle. He is fine except if you bump into him or he perceives you are trying to push him he kind of over-reacts. Hit him with a cart at the grocery store and he will shove it back into you. But fuck people who impinge on other's spaces. ... they need to learn some people will kill them. He sleeps just fine. This young effete generation is full of simps.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:47:12 No.8181220 >>8181203 10 more essays to write ... did you watch my short sun vid?!! Go do so if not!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:49:39 No.8181226 >>8181220 Damn I forgot. Will do so today.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:52:46 No.8181234 >>8181226 Be ready!!! That was the first Wolfe story where I knew I got it and everyone else was blind. Fuck the urth list argued with me so hard for years about it. Let me know what you think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 09:56:43 No.8181242 >Still no blood mirror :(

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:02:49 No.8181258

The more I read Lord Of Chaos the more I am appalled at Rand's utter idiocy, how in the fuck does he not realize that Mazrim Taim is actually Demandred? I mean I'm not sure myself but at this point it's 99% this, either that or Lews Therin going apeshit whenever he is around doesn't really make sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:02:53 No.8181259 File: 217 KB, 795x1200, twok_sketchbook-4_axehounds-webres.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finally finish Rendezvous with Rama Nothing happens: the novel I liked it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:04:06 No.8181261 >>8181259 I'm noticing the trend, a lot of the classics are "nothing ever happens: the book".

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:06:37 No.8181267 >>8181259 >>8181261 I think this is because over the last few decades we have become addicted to instant gratification in the forms of ebin action sequences, anime swordfights and explosions.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:07:37 No.8181268 >>8181258 Or Robert Jordan is a bad writer who has some of the most laughably bad villains in all of non-YA fantasy.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:09:39 No.8181272

>>8181261
Are they really? I admittedly haven't read many 'classics' and I'm trying to rectify that although I'm about to read a 'newer' sci-fi series so it'll be a while. I liked Childhood's End and things happened. I liked VALIS and I don't even know what the fuck happened. I liked the Foundation trilogy plus two sequels and lots of things happened. I liked RwR but nothing happened.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:09:50 No.8181275

>>8180494
Trunkanon here. Sorry, was unconscious for a couple hours, weird. Anyway, I've got plenty pre-1980 stuff, but I wasn't too discriminatory.
>Did you expect someone to be impressed
No, I expected pity and/or derision. Where do you think we are?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:10:43 No.8181278 >>8181268 As far as the Forsaken go, so far only the power trio of Semirhage, Graendal and Demandred have been decent villains. The rest range from "mustache twirling" to "ass clown".

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:13:43 No.8181284

>>8181213

Yeah that I can understand, or a paranoia afterwards, which is natural, like with dogs, if you get bit by one on the street you'll be paranoid about it for a time, for longer if you're young, that's just a defense mechanism but all the other shit remains a mystery to me why some people get them

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:14:44 No.8181289 >>8181267 I noticed my favorite books tend to be in the middle, I guess what people call middlebrow. Not super blown out philosophical and deep, but also not pure entertainment without any merit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:19:22 No.8181301 >>8180942 Thunderer by Felix Gilman Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:21:36 No.8181308 >>8181049 Reading it atm. Just finished The Fool Jobs, which I had read before in a shot story compilation.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:21:38 No.8181309

Since it came up in this thread as something without narrative "cheap tricks", my spoilery beyond belief analysis of Book of the Long Sun, emphasizing some of its epistemic and ontological uncertainties while trying to reach solid identity conclusions. Should be up for a month. Don't read it if you haven't read Long Sun. http://pastebin.com/BrqG8ryb

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:29:47 No.8181333 File: 1.20 MB, 800x518, 1451277502303.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are there any good fantasy books with a cute shota protagonist?

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:30:00 No.8181334

>>8181234
My reading has completely missed the Eucharistic symbolism, which Wolfe loves so much. It was much more hidden than in any of his other works.
I read it mostly as the story where the Outsider shows himself to the people other than Silk, but I couldn't substantiate it too much, it's the impression I got for some reason.
Also, the characterisation was absolutely superb- I noticed how Horn was a bit too much like Silk around 1/3 in In Green's Jungles and realised that he was Silk 1/2 in Return to the Whorl.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:32:40 No.8181340 Who are the top 5 strongest characters in Malazan

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:36:46 No.8181352 >>8181340 Whistlejack, Talan Aimasse, Dujeck, Soro Ina, Anomanda Wraike

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:36:55 No.8181353

>>8181340

You solved one doubt I had about whether or not to read that

If a series can have power rankings like Dragon goddamn Ball, then chances are it's not worth reading.

I might have known by that anime swordsman on the cover, white hair and black sword, heh nothing personnel kid.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:43:39 No.8181367 >>8179268 Yes. Nostalgia for Infinity is my favourite spaceship.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:44:27 No.8181369

>>8181334
of course the more controversial part of that, at least according to the list, is where Horn actually wound up, if the trees were doing anything, if the narrator was traveling through time, (and thus by implication the fate of post-deluge urth ...) ... that liana vine staff was pimp.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:45:55 No.8181372 Can you please use spoilers while discussing Long Sun? I haven't got around to reading it yet. Thank you based Arameister.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:47:54 No.8181376 >>8181372 definitely don't even glance at even the title of that essay I posted on pastebin ...

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:48:35 No.8181380

>>8181369
I can't say I see the inhumi/Neighbors as evolved humans, you understand it more, but I understood it as they are a separate species, with Neighbors having created Inhumi out of Hillary Clintons.
I like the Eucharistic reading because it makes sense for Wolfe, but I'm still having the feeling I'm missing the point like the one New Sun so gorgeously expressed in the thorn scene.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:48:59 No.8181381 >>8179482 Fantasy that turns up to be really strange sf. Like botns. I'm some 25k words in and it's going great.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:51:40 No.8181389 >>8181380 refresh my memory on how to use spoilers. I am going to try here first with nonsensitive information. geez I don't trust that guy too much.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:55:13 No.8181407

>>8181380
the vanished people have become the hieros, and hybridization of a parasite has granted the inhumi some human qualities. The inhumi are definitely related to the liana vines (the only problem the trees on Green haven't solved). The most shocking thing is what a hell for humanity urth becomes if it is Green. Man has climbed up the tree, as quetzal said, but it hasn't climbed down yet. without his staff clomping around at night no astral travel would be possible. Also, Auk and Chenille in Dorp on Blue is kind of a big deal ... hybridization is such a huge theme of the book, from the silk/horn personality to the very corn they bring. It allows instant speciation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:55:30 No.8181408 >>8181389 Get the app called Clover for your phone, it has a spoiler button and is generally useful, you can pin threads, but unfortunately can't hide trips.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:57:40 No.8181419 >>8181380 also, the inhumi on visiting Urth want to stay and proclaim, "we are everywhere!!!"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:57:54 No.8181420 >>8181353 Mission accomplished

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:59:22 No.8181428 >>8181380 whether they are related to the notules or not I am not willing to speculate at this time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:00:26 No.8181431 >>8181340 Objectively: Icarium, Karsa Orlong ,Rhulad Sengar (in that order) The rest are some elder gods or jaghut Tyrants I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:00:31 No.8181433 >>8181353 There are no power rankings, Erikson explains nothing. I don't know what these autists are on about.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:01:32 No.8181437

>>8181407
Hieros from Urth like Angels?
That doesn't sound right, since humans created Hieros, but not Neighbors or Inhumini.
Also, Urth seems to be in the far future, since Pas was still in power during the Short Sun, only 300 years had passed, level of degeneration couldn't happen
I think you may be reading too much into it, but I don't feel like I have a key to unlock it like I had with New and Long Sun which were clearly primarily religious with Thomistic philosophy behind it all.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:02:41 No.8181442 >>8181433 Anime don't do clear power rankings either, but that doesn't stop Naruto versus xY who is stronger fights.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:07:13 No.8181460 >>8181431 Icarium has a glass jaw. Easy to knock that fool out and keep him sleeping. >>8181442 Doing autistic shit like powerrankings is fun from time to time.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:11:30 No.8181471

>>8181460
>Icarium has a glass jaw.
>Easy to knock that fool out and keep him sleeping.
It is pretty much canon that a fight between Icarium and Karsa/rhulad would have destroyed pretty much everything and it is also implied that Icarium is for all practical purposes incapable of loosing.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:13:29 No.8181483

>>8180176
>We prefer that graphic sex and violence not escalate beyond the level of an R-rated movie. We also insist that sex and sadistic violence not be acted upon children.
God what makes people think this is okay?
>Violence, torture, and brutal murder is totally fine to do to adults
>B-but not the children p-please

Makes shit feel like a videogame where it seems like children don't exist at all

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:15:07 No.8181489 >>8179218 Tbh I enjoy going this the book store. I sit at home quite enough anon. If I have a chance to go out for a reason, I go out.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:16:56 No.8181495

>>8181437
the neighbors are the hieros. the hierogrammates are the angels the hieros create. no one writing understands what has happened to urth. relativistic time: a thousand years has passed on urth, but only 300 for the whorl, because it went "somewhere" and came back. Tartaros says he has been dust for a thousand years. speciation can happen instantly with hybridization - not much time has passed at all since the coming of the new sun. Plus I have one super secret great reason to believe I am right, which unfortunately I can't use.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:17:22 No.8181497 >tfw your buddy sends you the Kindle you thought you lost in Afghanistan >tfw it still has pretty much every book published by Baen up to 2013 on it Hell yes, today is a good day. I don't even know where to start.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:20:30 No.8181506 >>8181495 Wolfe told you? I don't think I can see your reading, because it doesn't come togeather like his other works do, it's too much like the naturalistic reading both of us dislike, it is missing the big picture.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:31:02 No.8181554 >>8181497 >iktf I was happy as a puppy when I found my lost one

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:31:47 No.8181558 >>8181442 It is the DBZ of fantasy novels, don't listen to that other guy. Malazan fanboys won't accept any criticism about it.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:32:42 No.8181564

>>8181506
the future of man is that they will evolve into the hieros and disappear, leaving behind the angel hierogrammates and the hierodules to aid in their own evolution into hieros again in the next cycle. the green man has chlorophyll in his skin, and is a step towards the hieros as humanity's future. This is what happens to humanity: hybridized with vegetative matter (note that females are named after plant products, males animal products - that hybridization of animal and vegetable is written right into the text of Long and Short Sun). The future is not for humans as they are now, but for the neighbors/Vanished People, who leave green/urth behind. I had this theory all in place but no mechanism to account for Blue being Urth for him to wind up in the past in his astral travels, and Wolfe corrected me on one word, which led to finding the mechanism: when Silk wants to show them what the past of Green looked like, before the horror, he winds up on Urth for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:34:54 No.8181574 >>8181433 >access to 12 warrens >not most OP

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:35:28 No.8181577 >>8181558 There are quite a few criticisms you could make about whether this or that plotline is necessary, or of a couple instances of deus ex machina, but most of the people criticising it haven't actually read it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:35:56 No.8181581 >>8181554 >I was happy as a puppy What? Are you still a puppy?

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:37:29 No.8181586

>>8181506
we expect salvation to be as it was before, but it is completely different and unsuited to us as we were before. Inhumi would stop preying on people if we stopped preying on each other, because they are a mirror of us. Apheta says to Severian that people could make urth just like yesod when he shows up if they wanted to.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:37:59 No.8181587 >>8181574 You're forgetting about otataral.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:39:06 No.8181595 >>8181574 He would get absolutely crushed by Icarium/Rhulad/Karsa. And even fucking adjunct lorn with her sword.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:39:38 No.8181599 >>8181564 we never see the hieros themselves in New Sun - they vanished long ago and made the hierogrammates like Tzadkiel. The Vanished People are our only fleeting glimpse of them, we just don't realize it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:40:45 No.8181607 >>8180963 The Book of Ash, if you won't have a meltdown over the main character being a black woman.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:22:22 No.8181755 >>8181607 OUT GET OUT OF MY THREAD

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:26:25 No.8181769 >>8180050 He doesn't stay that way for long.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:35:02 No.8181792 >>8181755 You're not my boss.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:52:13 No.8181851 >>8181164 >Is Garth Nix's Sabriel really kiddy tier? It's only kinda kiddy. Yeah it's YA, but there's way worse stuff that gets shilled here on the regular.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:54:36 No.8181862 >>8177526 >I've experienced the result of her preached morals. You've lived in an anarcho-communist society? Or you've become more aware of the Tao?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:57:09 No.8181871 >>8181862 >You've lived in an anarcho-communist society? You haven't? Check out this bourgeoisie scum, to the gulag with you.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 12:58:22 No.8181875 >>8181871 >gulag Anarchists aren't much for gulags.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:02:21 No.8181888 Disliking LeGuin has to be THE telltale sign of the sff pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:04:37 No.8181901 >>8181164 >>8181851 I really enjoyed reading those books when I was pretty young, not sure if they would hold up though

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:07:34 No.8181913

>>8181875
They were a fan of forced labour in anarchist Catalonia, entire villages were forced into participating in communal farming Comrade.

Whilst Le Guin preaches Anarchism, she participates in and demands protectionism through aggressive means.

I remember a while back when somebody linked to a interview she did that revealed she hadn't stepped in a bookshop her entire life, hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:09:20 No.8181924 >>8181888 Her later books are worse. She has declined.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:10:18 No.8181929 >>8181924 Yeah, everybody does. I was talking about the masterpieces though. Earthsea, LHOD, Dispossessed.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:12:14 No.8181931 File: 39 KB, 209x196, 1460386606997.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181929 >Earthsea >masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:16:58 No.8181939 File: 6 KB, 158x178, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181931 like clockwork >>8181888

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:21:12 No.8181954 File: 73 KB, 467x700, 1465574023869.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181152 >That list

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:21:40 No.8181956

>>8181862
Anarcho-communism is unbelievably retarded though, outside of a family or a very small community (Erectus and early human tribes are often brought up), you need someone to manage the "gifts" so everyone gets what they needs, so you'd eventually get full gommunism anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:27:44 No.8181978 >>8181929 >LeShit >Writing masterpieces Dream on, kid.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:35:17 No.8182003 >>8180484 Interesting world shitty story. Also Ciri is one of the worst characters I have ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:36:32 No.8182008 >>8181041 Hope Sauce dies, she is cancer.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 13:37:38 No.8182011 >>8180484 The Last Wish is pretty meh. Not bad but not that good either 6 or maybe a 7/10 at most.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:21:32 No.8182195 Is it worth reading the last few books of The Black Company? I lost interest hard once the narrator starting changing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:25:39 No.8182205 >>8181913 >They were a fan of forced labour in anarchist Catalonia, entire villages were forced into participating in communal farming Comrade. They were trying to work with Leninists due to expressed similar end-goals. It didn't work out.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:31:56 No.8182229 >>8182205 That's only partly true, Anarchists without the excuse of Leninists committed a abundance war crimes all the same.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:32:39 No.8182231 >>8181003 They're unfortunately not used much but the knnn in Chanur get a lot of reactions like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:34:36 No.8182242 What's your favorite pulp sci-fi, /sffg/? >>8182229 I'm an anarchist and I think Catalonia was a clusterfuck. I think you'll find people who do stupid shit with basically any political view. That said, we're getting off-topic.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:35:24 No.8182247 New >>8182244 >>8182244

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 14:37:09 No.8182256 >>8182242 Don't worry you'll grow out of it Anon.

Anonymous Sun, Jun 19, 2016 15:11:07 No.8182428

>>8180112
When Baley reveals the murderer in The Naked Sun.

I can't go into detail without spoiling everything, but gotta love how this guy is like a future Sherlock Holmes, though less of a Gary Stu than him.

Looking forward to starting Robots of Down after i finish Rendezvous with Rama, even more since it's twice as long as TNS.

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