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8156579 No.8156579 [Reply] [Original]

Post them faggots.

>> No.8156584
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>> No.8157563

bump for interest

>> No.8159162

>>8156579

I like this.

Are there more like these things??

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Gotta match em all.

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>> No.8159517

>>8156584
It's autosaging (bump limit)

>> No.8159761

>>8159490
...you were doing so well, and then you added Lee Strobel.

>> No.8159789

Any requests? I have

>Arthurian
>Books about books
>By colour
>Chinese
>Drugs
>Fantasy
>Horror
>Islam
>Kafka
>Leftist
>Mexican
>Pynchon
>Robert Anton Wilson
>SF&F
>Shakespeare
>Starting with the Greeks
>Surreal
>Tigers
>Travel
>Vikings
>A picture of Warwick Davis that got in my folder by mistake

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>> No.8159804

>>8159509
1 and 2 fit me pretty well does this mean I have autism Doctor Anon?

>> No.8159807

>>8159789
Can we have a good conservative chart? The one that gets posted around here is memeshit

>> No.8159815

>>8159789
Arthurian, Horror, Tigers

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>>8159815
1/3

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>>8159832
2/3

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>>8159836
3/3

>> No.8159852

>>8159847
lemme see that mexican.

>> No.8159855

Tried on /his/ and haven't had any luck so far, but this seems like the right thread to ask. Lately I've become really interested in cultural and technological development in the Old World, specifically during the stone and bronze ages. Or just the cradle of civilization, I guess. And I was hoping I could get some recommendations on reading material. Preferably things available for Kindle but it's not required. Thanks!

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>>8159847
Thanks. Here's another tiger book.

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>>8159852

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>>8159797
>MFW all of my favorite authors are pleb tier

>> No.8159875

>>8159871
The chart means nothing.

>> No.8159876

>>8159857
Thanks.

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>>8159807
You mean this one?

>> No.8159883

>>8156579
There was a massive thread chart thread that just passed bump limit here >>8127830

>> No.8159885

>>8159789
Mexican, Robert Anton Wilson please

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>>8159883
This is the thread I've been looking for my whole life.

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>>8159885
>8159857

>> No.8159908

>>8159880
Can someone edit this chart so that racist and antisemitic are separately labeled? I'm not racist but I don't like Jews. I need literature that reaffirms my already held beliefs so that I may resist the temptations of the sultry Jewess but without going full retard.

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>>8159885
>>8159857

>> No.8159923

>>8159490
lacking Teilhard de Chardin

>> No.8160039

>>8159880
Yeah, that one. Anti-semitism and libertarianism are /pol/shit and don't belong woth true conservatism

>> No.8160062

>>8159832
No Sir Gawain and the Green Knight?

>> No.8160067
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>>8159832
>Arthurian
>posts Arthurian fantasy

>> No.8160225

>>8160062
Does seem like a bit of an oversight now that you mention it, and maybe a gap between the original legends and more modern stuff (>>8160067) would be good too. Sadly it's the only one I've seen posted.

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>>8159509

>1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 10, 12, 13, 14

Fuck

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>>8160343

>no mentions of Cyrano under French

>> No.8160456

>>8159789
Chinese please?

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>>8160456

>> No.8160490

>>8160333
What the hell is a "translation for serious scholars and academics" supposed to be? Surely you'd bother to learn Italian if you were studying Dante professionally?

>> No.8160505

>>8160476
thanks

>> No.8160512

A lot of the charts that get shared every time are on the wiki, just go there and stop making these same fucking threads.

>> No.8160606

>>8160490
Yeah and I don't understand why it calls the translation with the most "basic notes" the "scholar's Dante". I also don't know what "the modern Dante" even means.

>> No.8160621

>>8159789
Kafka

>> No.8160632

>>8159509

11/14.... shit

>> No.8160687
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>>8159817
check the updated chart

>>8159871
>>8159875
it's actually good for spotting pleb authors but shit as it goes down

>> No.8160703

>>8160606
"The modern Dante" refers to the protagonist of the Devil May Cry series.

>> No.8160715

>>8160333
what's the point to read dante in free verse

>>8160703
the game edition of dante is in longfellow's translation

>> No.8160717

>>8159797
Anyone here read Rios's House of Ulysses? It sounds good from its description and Ulysses is definitely a favorite of mine.

>> No.8160779

>>8159490
Was hoping this would come up, thank you

>> No.8160929

>>8159789
Islam chart please

>> No.8160983
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>> No.8161047

>>8159832
Any opinions on von Eschenbach's Parzival vs. de Troyes' Perceval?
I've only read the Parzival but I was under the impression that outside of German language circles Perceval was more read.

>> No.8161173

>>8160343
The Scarlet Letter under American?

>> No.8161187

>>8161047
Yes, that's exactly it. Eschenbach is more important in the German tradition and de Troyes in the Anglo-French tradition. Also, de Troyes came first and influenced Eschenbach, so there's that

>> No.8161256

Here are practically all charts I currently have:

https://imgur.com/a/bXqZN

>> No.8161304
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>>8160621

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>>8160929

>> No.8161315

>>8161310
thank you very much.

>> No.8161318
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>>8156579
Are there any charts on Jungian stuff or Classical Behaviorism, i.e. stuff by Skinner?

>> No.8161341

Does anyone have any Buddhism charts?

>> No.8161353
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>>8161341

>> No.8161362

>>8160333
I'm Italian. The Allen version is FUCKING terrible. Go with the third one

>> No.8161365

>>8161353
thanks sweetie

>> No.8161373

>>8161318

In this Very Life is a must read on meditation

>> No.8161398

>>8160333
>>8161362
I'd actually go with Sisson's (blank verse) but for some reason it's not even in the chart.

>> No.8161407
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>> No.8161428

>>8161353
Holy shit that chart is truly terrible.

>> No.8161751

Does anyone have a chart about "overcome depression" ?

>> No.8161774

>>8161751
It's called go to a doctor and talk to friends.

>> No.8161781

>>8161751
and exercise. Preferably cardio.

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>>8159817
that's not canon

Someone needs to make a new Resume with the Romans chart.

>> No.8161931

>>8161362
I'm Italian too and the Allen version seems the less worse of the three

>> No.8161967

>>8159894
Do you guys not read the wiki? Like 95% of that thread is in the wiki.

>> No.8162023

>>8159789
Warwick, if you'd be so kind

>> No.8162043
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Anybody have a chart on Scandinavian lit?

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>>8162023
I thought you'd never ask :^)

>> No.8162113

>>8156579
/lit/ newfag here, trying expand my horizons and rid myself of the cancer that /b/-tier boards have left on my brain
How many books do you think you've read in your life? I've seen the /lit/ starter kit, but I was wondering if you had any other recommendations, or what are some of your favorite books you can recommend to a newbie of /lit/?

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>>8161918
>no kürk mantolu madonna
:^^^)

>> No.8162148

>>8159880
are there any more?

>> No.8162151

>>8162113
start with the greeks

>> No.8162157

Is there a Japanese one?

>> No.8162164

>>8162148
Just a more focussed "reactionary" one

>>8162157
Think so, but I don't have it.

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>>8162157
Here's one. Any Scandinavian, anyone?

>> No.8162172

>>8162126
Worst book in Turkish literature I've read.

And I've read Bozkurtlar.

>> No.8162179
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>> No.8162187

>>8162169
Thanks.

>> No.8162225
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>>8162172
try Nutuk if you want to see a real shitfest

>> No.8162250

does anyone have a chart on how to get into philosphy?

>> No.8162423

Does anyone have the German /lit/ guide?

>> No.8162435
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>>8162423

>> No.8162475

Is there a contemporary /lit/ guide?

>> No.8162478

>>8160983
DFUQ U MEAN GRRM IS BAD?
HAVE SOME FUN U POMPOUS SWINE
I BET U ONLY READ BOOKS FROM THE 1290'S! I'LL HAVE U KNOE I WAS TOP IN MY MILITARY CLASS AND I'VER 35 CONFIRMED KILLS UNDER MY BELT...

>> No.8162495

>>8162087
i LOVE U SO MUCH RIGHT NOW

>> No.8162507

>>8161310
no hadiths?

>> No.8162528

>>8162113
Read whatever u want
culture fags will force you to have good taste.
Figure it out on your own my friend. That's how we deal with life: we think for ourselves

>> No.8162530

>>8160983
>that entire chart
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.8162534

>>8162530
It'd WRYYYYYYY
U dumb cunt (no offence)

>> No.8162544

>>8159490
Is there a more Protestant/Reformed version of this chart?
Inb4 Joel Osteen

>> No.8162551

>>8162113
The starter kit is honestly a great place to start (huehue). If you don't have any specific interests then I can't give you specialized recs. Although, I will warn you, if you desire to do anything more than just lurk here, then your personal, specific interests are pretty much irrelevant to that end.

>> No.8162598

>>8162534
I've seen both banded about. You are, however, technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct.

>> No.8162612
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>>8162598
As usual

>> No.8162643
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I used to read a lot when i was younger, but wasting time on teh interwebz gradually took over, and now i barely ever read. How do i get into reading again? i have a few books lying around that i am genuinely lusting to read, but don't because my brain is hardwired to to internet by now.

>> No.8162655

>>8162643
Step 1: Shut down computer.
Step 2: Pick up book.
Step 3: Read book.

>> No.8162656

>>8162643
Destroy the internet

>> No.8162659

>>8162043
Nice already read 6 out of those books and just wanted to make a thread searching for more books that fit my liking.

>> No.8162677

>>8162612
M-masaka! Bakana!

>> No.8162686

>>8162655
>>8162656
i'll try tomorrow then.

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Who do I read once I finish with the Romans? Should I carry on with the Catholics or venture with the Vikings?

>> No.8162794

>>8162435
Thank you!

>> No.8162800

>>8162774
Have the Vikings written anything noteworthy? Serious question.

>> No.8162818

>>8162800
I saw a viking /lit/ chart in the past. Perhaps someone has it.

>> No.8162858

>>8159789
Horror, vikings, and meme Greeks please!

>> No.8162909
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>>8162858
>>8159836

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>>8162909
(Think there's at least three different Greek charts kicking around /lit/)

>> No.8162961

>>8160983
>Tolkien
>Lieber
>Howard
GET THE FUCK OUT

>> No.8162978

>>8162478
>>8162530
>>8162961
It's a troll chart, he posts it in /sffg/ every thread.

>> No.8163019
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>> No.8163044
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Is there a chart of Korean lit?

I read The Vegetarian but I don't know what else is good from Korea

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>>8162915
I prefer this one.

>> No.8163145

how do you make a chart

>> No.8163157

>>8163145
MS Paint or other basic editing program and fetch covers from image search. Are you really that stupid?

>> No.8163189

>>8163157
What size should the chart and the font be?

>> No.8163197

>>8162978
>it's a troll chart because he doesn't agree with us
>>>/lgbt/

>> No.8163199

>>8163044
I'm gona be living in Korea for a year so I'm interested in this as well.

>> No.8163287
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>>8163019
kek what the fuck

>> No.8163294

>>8163199
Are you going to teach English?

>> No.8163368

>>8162043
No but anything by Strindberg. Hjalmar Söderberg too

>> No.8163375

>>8162169
>>8163368

>> No.8163454

>>8163044
>>8163199
I didn't make a chart, but there's a table for it in the wiki.

http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Literature_by_origin#Korea

>> No.8163473

>>8161407
this is sooo bad

>> No.8163492

im not good with photoshop but id love to make a good autobiographical/autofiction chart -- if such a thing already exists or if someone wants such a thing hmu

>> No.8163554

>>8163019
triggered
10/10

>> No.8163577

>>8159789
Can I get
>Starting with the Greeks
>Vikings
please?

>> No.8163585

>>8161918
there was a guy that said he was making a better one but he never actually posted it

>> No.8163586

>>8163577
Already posted senpai

>>8162915
>>8163103
>>8162909

>> No.8163592

Could someone post the Western Canon inofrgrpahic

>> No.8163599
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>> No.8163600

>>8163019
jesus fucking christ, my sides have been sent away into a black hole where they no longer have causality with the universe

>> No.8163758

>>8163019
well done.

>> No.8164038

>>8162915
How long will it take me to read all of this, on average?

>> No.8164136

Is there a chart on Spanish literature?

>> No.8164253

>>8161918
Yeah that one's really shit. Someone make a decent one.

>> No.8164803

>>8162528
good answer

>> No.8165732
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>> No.8166475

>>8163019
I had a notepad file of books about ancient Egypt with scientific and historical information about it, one of which proposed the idea of a pre-Egyptian society. Nothing stereotypical like ayy lmaos but just interesting stuff

if anyone knows of books about the subject, would love to know

>> No.8166527

Postmodern?

>> No.8166546

>>8166527
Just Foucault. Nothing else.

>> No.8166599
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>>8166527

>> No.8166610

>>8161304

How long is The Metamorphosis? Want to branch away from English language lit but in the mood for something shorter, all the recent reads have been doorstoppers.

>> No.8166702

>>8162164
can you post the reactionary one?

>> No.8166738

>>8159514
You noticed the Pierre Bayard thread, huh?

>> No.8166805

>>8159797
Some of the level 0 is fucked. To say that they lack any semblance of substance is shit.

>> No.8166865

>>8162686
Or right fucking now

>> No.8166881

YO DO I READ
V (PINECONE)
THE MASTER AND MARGARITA
AS I LAY DYING
THE SOUND AND THE FURY
ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE
THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO
DON QUIXOTE
THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV (200 pages in but struggling to stick with it for some reason)

>> No.8166899

>>8166881
Don Quixote

>> No.8166913
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>>8162475

r8 my contemporary /lit/ chart, 2014-16

>> No.8166937

>>8166475
Temples, Tombs, and Hieroglyphs: A Popular History of Ancient Egypt 2nd Revised, Updated ed. Edition by Barbara Mertz has an extremely comprehensive bibliography, and is a fine work to the laymen in any case.

>> No.8166975

>>8166610
Quite short, somewhere on that fuzzy boundary between short story and novella.

>>8166702
see >>8163599

>> No.8166997

>>8166913
Houellebecq, yanagihara and Harper Lee are all unredeemable shit.

Some good stuff in there though. On the Edge is an incredible novel.

>> No.8167006

>>8166997
im haflway through and enjoying it alot.

>> No.8167008

>>8166913
>between the workd and me
>literature

choose one

>> No.8167016

So, what's the best 21st century novel so far?

>haven't read a single book from this century

>> No.8167031

>>8167016
Brief History of Seven Killings
Dream of the Celt
Austerlitz
2666
The Human Stain

>> No.8167033

>>8167008
It was an affirmative action pick

>> No.8167051

>>8166975

Just bought the modern library classics version on kindle, hope it's a decent edition.

>> No.8167057

Anything about World War 1 and 2?

>> No.8167201

>>8167031
>brief history of seven killings

fuck off to reddit

>> No.8167208

>>8167201
I think you are new here friendo

>> No.8167211

>>8166913
coates is school-of-resentment-core

>> No.8167572

>>8161318
Could you point out which of those base off Jung? I really like his work.

>> No.8168073

>>8167201
/lit/ loves that book...

>> No.8168078

>>8159789
Could I get the drugs one, please?

>> No.8168097

>>8159856
I second this recommendation.

>> No.8168565

>>8159509
11/14.

Good, I want to be autistic.

>> No.8168576

>>8160983
Since this is a troll chart does it mean that all of these books are good and I must read them? Thanks

>> No.8168605

>>8163019

brekek kekek kekek

nice work.

>> No.8168611

>>8168576
Conan and Lies of Locke Lamora are great

>> No.8168810

>>8159789
Surreal pls

>> No.8169026

>>8168073
That's an overstatement.

>> No.8169339

>>8167016
The Vegetarian

>> No.8169372

>>8156579
>No William of Rubruck
You fag

>> No.8169465

>>8166913
>>8166997
>>8167008
>>8167211
>"My Excellent Caretaker Deserves My Entire Fortune"
>They didn't get that this was a meme list

>> No.8169758

where do i start with sylvia plath?

>> No.8169761

>>8169758
Kek.

>> No.8169854

>>8167016
Gilead
A Brief History of Seven Killings
Seiobo There Below

>> No.8169960

>>8169761
fuck you

>> No.8169997

Requesting a rec chart for post modern doorstoppers as in something likePynchon/Gaddis/gass/dfw

>> No.8170005

>>8169997
Vollman is just blossoming as a meme. The Dying Grass is a fucking trip.

>> No.8170342

>>8169758
Skip the Bell Jar and go for her poetry.
Personal ones: Lady Lazarus, Daddy.

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>>8168810

>> No.8171242

>>8162250
second this. the 11 charts on philosophy are very helpful. Hard to find someone who actually has them all though.

>> No.8171252

>>8162250
>>8171242
I recommend reading this: http://existentialcomics.com/blog

There's also the philosophy page on the wiki.

>> No.8171396

>>8160476
Not exactly Chinese literature, but what do you guys think of "The Good Earth"?

>> No.8171413

>>8161315
What is your purpose behind this?

>> No.8171421

>>8167051
At this point, he has been translated so much that its hard to find a bad version. If you want some other non-english lit that is short, I would recommend some easy Japanese that you could pretty much read in one sitting. The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea or stuff by Banana Yoshimoto come to mind

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>>8170389
>surrealist chart
>no Albion Moonlight
some good stuff on there though

>> No.8171425

>>8166475
>What is Atlantis

>> No.8172252

>>8171396
The first book is great.

>> No.8172289

>>8166599
That Man in the High Castle cover is the weirdest thing ever, wtf does it have to do with the book?

>> No.8172325

>>8159490
Lee Strobel is pretty gud. Even if you don't follow intelligent design, the amount of bullshit surrounding evolutionary theory and how it's taught is astounding

>> No.8172330

>>8159836
>King in Yellow

is that really horror though?

like there's some mentions of some horrific entity that might fuck you up if you read the play, but the last 30% of the book is a love story

>> No.8172338

>>8161318
DUDE

>> No.8172342

Anyone got a sci-fi chart? I'm looking into moving on after Dune (which was stellar)

>> No.8172349

>>8162043
>no Koran

>> No.8172367

>>8172289
but look at the abs! the man in the high castle got a body don't you think?

>> No.8172656

>>8159847
>no The Tiger Who Came to Tea

>> No.8172831

Dumas please

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>>8156579

>> No.8174006

>>8159509
>spins objects or self?

>> No.8174018

>>8159832
>Arthurian
>no Chretien de Troyes
Small time my friend

>> No.8174045

>>8161918
Polybius should really be up there with Livy considering Livy cribbed half his material from the former.

>> No.8174151

>>8162435
This list is so incredibly limited. One could create a recommend german /lit/ chart with over 200 works in it.

>> No.8175314

>>8159509
6, 14

2/14 doesn't seem so bad.

>> No.8175326

>>8174006
Object spinner here.
It's just one of those things, man. You get it or you don't.

>> No.8175341

>>8175326
just today I spent whole minutes spinning hard boiled eggs.

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lit ive decided im making a nonmeme flowchart for poetry, ill be back in a couple of hours. that is, if i dont get bored halfway through.

in the meantime post your shitty meme poetry charts so i can laugh and remind myself what not to do

>> No.8175850

is there a guide for Ezra Pound

>> No.8175859

>>8172325
Examples please.

>> No.8175898

>>8161428
why dont you offer a more revised version then?

>> No.8175904

>>8166913
A little life is sentimental, too long and shit

>> No.8175915

What about dat mane?

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>> No.8176925

>>8163019
I legit love Fundamentals of Thought. I don't practice it, but it's a great representation of what a skilled leader can do.

>Rephrase and combine multiple theories of occult
>add new-age spirituality
>add pop science
>wrap it in a hypnosis style writing
>become a religious leader

>> No.8176946

>>8162915
I argue about Mythology - Hamilton being first without an asterisk note.

It is a textbook rather than any sort of literature. It is a a great place to start your knowledge, but basically an encyclopedia.

Keep it next to you and read the specific chapters related to the other Greek work you're reading at the time.