On Innocence

[Anonymous No.8125367]

Frogposter raised an interesting question. I know, weird.
Innocence is the only thing unnatainable through self-improvement, a critical but essential flaw, so that life works according to Godel. No book can help you learn unlearning. Or, perhaps, there exists literature somehow capable of returning you to childhood without nostalghic method of approach?

[Anonymous No.8125381]

>>8125367
All new age self help repress the ego willful ignorance shite calls for a return to childhood pretty much where you're ruled solely by whims and emotions

[Anonymous No.8125394]

Oh my god, it's slice of life anime...

[Anonymous No.8125406]

>>8125381
Again, there is a method you can't conceal. Say I read a book on how to supress my ego and actually manage to do so; but I have the knowledge that this only happened because I forcefully performed some techniques. There is always an unerasable trace of method, no matter how many layers you conceal it with.

[Anonymous No.8125413]

>>8125367
>so that life works according to Godel

Are you drunk?

[Anonymous No.8125418]

>>8125413
No, it is just that my English is sub-par.

[Anonymous No.8125420]

>>8125367
>innocence
>unattainable

Baptism/confession
Ez pz

[Anonymous No.8125423]

>>8125367
There is only forward. You cannot go back. That kind of alchemy always fails and just turns out malformed people like adult babies, bronies, and that weird dude who won't shut up about children's cartoons. Just take up the mantle of adulthood and don't look back. It's the only good option

[Anonymous No.8125446]

>>8125423
It is not that I crave it so much; but the impossibility of it seems damning. I never played or wanted to play guitar but if my fingers were cut off, I'd want to learn it in an instant.

[Anonymous No.8125450]

>>8125446
Congratulations you're boring

[Anonymous No.8125470]

>>8125450
At least I can emulate Johngreenian quotes on any topic.

If you are the least boring person you know, you are probably boring; if the opposite is true, you are definitely not.

[Anonymous No.8125474]

>>8125446
I don't really understand that desire. Personally, losing my innocence was a far more painful experience than having lost it. It feels like I can somewhat manage the burden of the world now rather than having the nasty surprises of the adult world lurking around every corner.

[Anonymous No.8125476]

>>8125470

[Anonymous No.8125496]

>>8125367
ego loss through deep meditation can help to learn unlearning if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.8125498]

>>8125496
It doesn't. Your post has zero value.

[Anonymous No.8125508]

>>8125498
>not knowing the philosophy of eastern religions
shiggidy

[Anonymous No.8125521]

the obvious answer is biology:

either weaken the egos boundaries with drugs. temporarily, of course.

or go hardcore aka. lobotomy.

[Anonymous No.8125534]

>>8125367
Innocence is just the romanticization of ignorance while corruption is how a pleb understands enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.8125818]

>>8125406
turtles all the way down

[Anonymous No.8125964]

>>8125367
I, too, wish that I could go back to the times where I suckled on my mama's tattahs frequently without getting weird looks.

[Anonymous No.8126052]

>>8125534
This. Innocence is nostalgic at best. Life is more fun when you know the dangers and pleasures of life.

Go out, get drunk, smoke cigarettes, do drugs, have sex, achieve something significant, live life. You lost your proverbial innocence years ago & there's nothing you can do about it. Kind of like a chick wanting her hymen to grow back - it just won't happen.

May as well go out and see the world and enjoy it without caring too much. Because there aren't any other interesting options.

[Anonymous No.8126257]

>>8125470
I think you are reffering to the 'stage/station of nether thought' (非想非非想天) in the realm of arūpya-dhātu from Abhidharma-kośa.
The ritual of meditation and prayers can be seen as a hypnotic device to help one to concetrate so that they can shed their shells of ego gradually, like an onion. First one reject and subsequently accept their own desires, then they see the false dichotomy between the material and the immaterial, then to accept that you cannot exert perfect control to the outside world and accept that weakness, then to inward perection, to the acceptance of the illusion of an ego.
Um, think of it in this way, imagine you are in your room, then you mentally that the objects in it out of the room, your cup, your bodypillows, your pink floyd posters, your books, your bed, your shelves...To the point you are in an empty room, but wait, it is not so empty, there is the dust dancing in the sunlight, there are the floorings and there is the concept of light, and so you laborously move them out, until there is nothing, just you and you in the idea of a room.
Then you remove the idea of a room.
Then you remove the idea of yourself.

I think innocence, in the sense of not reversion but transcendence, can be attained from this ritual of shreding away your mental baggages. But, personally, I think the buddhists are asking too much :/
pic kind of related

[Anonymous No.8126622]

Read yourself some William Blake.You'll learn that innocence is a limited state of being.

[Anonymous No.8126663]

>>8125420
This

[Anonymous No.8126669]

>>8125474
What do you mean with "losing my innocence"?
It is a particular event or a gradual transformation?

[Anonymous No.8126676]

>>8125413
I think he's referring to his Uncertainty Theorem?

[Anonymous No.8126677]

>>8125498
he must have done it!

[Anonymous No.8126686]

>>8125367
>No book can help you learn unlearning.
Commence with the Chinese.

[Anonymous No.8127389]

if you want the experience of it just do some psychedelics or mdma

[Anonymous No.8127608]

>>8125367
>No book can help you learn unlearning.
The more I learn the less I know

t. Socrates

[Anonymous No.8127643]

>>8126676
>uncertainty theorem
lmao keep it up gents