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801504 No.801504 [Reply] [Original]

Unlike music or video recordings, which require a device to read them, the traditional book requires no mediating instrument. The fact of using an electronic book reader could in fact be regarded as complicating a fairly simple and effective relationship--one that has endured for centuries. Or, to put it another way, it could be compared to adopting a prosthetic device in circumstances that do not truly warrant it.

>> No.801791

Hear, hear.

>> No.801797

We're being sold things for the sake of being sold them. It's very Huxleyesque.

>> No.801798

>>801504
Except for the glasses.

>> No.801799

amen brother.

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801804

>implying that travelling with your entire library is effective and simple

>> No.801809

>>801804

Why would you need to travel with a library? I don't understand this.

>> No.801811

>>801504
You could make the same argument against telephone as a means for communication.

>> No.801812

>>801811

No, you couldn't. They're not even remotely similar. The telephone is not eliminating another technology. The book is a perfect technology; the e-reader is really just a silly idea.

>> No.801813

>>801811

Because talking to someone miles away is easy without any sort of device.

eReaders don't make reading easier, it's just technology for technology's sake.

>> No.801814

>>801809
So we can transfer our books to other peoples' ebook readers like they're pokemons

>> No.801816

>>801814

Or you could just lend someone your book.

>> No.801820

>>801816
Yeah and have them forget to give it back after they don't read it for months

>> No.801822

>>801809

Because I like to read even while I'm not home.

>> No.801823

>>801812
It eliminates the need to meet people in person in order speak to them. It's technology-mediated behaviour eliminating a less technological one. Same thing.

>> No.801825

>>801820

Some people do that. Not all. And who cares? Do you really need to keep all of your books? Are you going to re-read every single one? If it's really worth it, then re-buy it. Be glad that someone might learn from it, maybe not immediately, but eventually.

>> No.801826

>>801814

What? Lolita is evolving!

>> No.801828

>>801820
Don't give your books to people who won't read them. Problem solved.

>> No.801829

>>801822

So take a few books. Is it really that difficult to lug around?

>>801823

Ha, ha. I don't think you understand. It's not the same thing.

>> No.801830

>>801825
You see, the excellent thing about this technology is that I don't have to deal with the bullshit that comes with your way. I'm sure you can understand.

>> No.801832

>>801823
A phone lets you speak with people who you can't necessarily meet with, because they may be located somewhere you can't reach, for example, other continents. It is completely different, and if you fail to realize this, you are an ass hat.

>> No.801835

>>801829
I take hundreds of books wherever I go. I can read any book I want whenever I want. It rules

>> No.801837

>>801829

Yeah, they're heavy and bulky.

>> No.801838

>>801835

You sound like a child that needs to bring his entire box of toys with him wherever he goes.

>> No.801843

I prefer real books, but this is basically a big old BAAWW thread about how the good old days were better. It's always been the same thing.

"Why do we need typewriters when we can write by hand?"
"Why do we need computers when we can write by hand?"
"Online shopping? I can just go down to the mall!"
"Sewing machine? I can sew myself just fine!"
"Paper? We got these clay tablets that work just great!"

It's always the same thing. Some people find E-Readers to be more convenient. Technology is all about increasing efficiency. Having a thousand books on one device is extremely efficient.

>> No.801844

>>801837
Do a push up, kid. Lugging the books around is good strength training. Builds muscle.

>> No.801845

I prefer the 'real' thing.

Don't care how nifty the screen is, just don't get the same feeling from it. Each to our own I guess.

>> No.801847

>>801843

And that should be, "Why do we need computers when we have typewriters?"

The argument's always the same, even as the technological advances become the norm .

>> No.801848

>>801504
I think you do not understand the technology required to print a book. Ink, paper, glue, printing, trimming required centuries of development each. Perfect binding, for instance, used in paperbacks, was developed only in the 20th C after many trials and failures.

>> No.801849

The times they are a changing old man

>> No.801851

>>801838
I don't think you want to know what you sound like

>> No.801852

>>801843
>"Online shopping? I can just go down to the mall!"

Does the mall have japanese hug-pillows with animu characters on them? No? Then why should I shop there?!

>> No.801854

>>801844

It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of weight and size limits on luggage allowed on airplanes.

>> No.801857

>>801843

It's not about the good old days, it's about buying into something that's inherently unnecessary. I don't really like the computer either, frankly, but I do use it for typing out the final copy of documents.

>> No.801858

>>801854
How long are you going to be on a plane? How long a flight requires you to bring hundreds of books with you? Carry on one and leave the rest in your suit case.

>> No.801863

>>801858

How fucking retarded are you? It's a matter of how long you're going to be at the destination, not on the plane.

>> No.801864

>>801851

Like an adult? Were you going to say an old man? How cute.

>> No.801868

>>801863

If you were just going to spend all your time reading on a vacation, then why go on a vacation at all? Are there not libraries in the area. Pick up something new.

>> No.801869

Significantly more convenient transport of information?? Hrm no thanks, I'm perfectly fine with my ink on dead trees

>> No.801870

>>801863
Exactly. Put the rest of the books IN YOUR SUIT CASE.

>> No.801871

>>801864
No, you sound like an idiot

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>>801871
This is 4chan. Everyone sounds like an idiot, yourself included.

>> No.801877

>>801874
Actually I sound like an absolute genius compared to CERTAIN PEOPLE ITT

>> No.801878

I'm going to Japan in July, only taking The Stand with me.

Fuck reading during my whole holidays. Last time I went to Japan, I ended up talking to so many randoms, and they loved it.

I'm not one of those kids that goes on holidays with my families by the way. Family could never afford it.

>> No.801880

>>801871

Whatever, man. Keep on telling yourself that you need 100 different books at your disposal, even though you'll never read them all even in a year.

>> No.801881

>>801869

"Agriculture? Why do that when we can hunt and gather?"
"Ride a horse? No thanks, I can walk!"
"Car? Buddy, I've got a perfectly fine horse-drawn carriage here!"

>> No.801883

>>801881

Stop trying to make this into something ridiculous. Those examples are nothing like what we're talking about.

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>>801852

>japanese hug-pillows with animu characters on them

>> No.801885

>>801881
The oil is running out. Horses don't need gas.

>> No.801888

I'm sorry, I just don't buy into this e-reader thing. It's the same thing with tablet computers. If people want to use them, great, but I just don't see the appeal. I don't need the internet in my face every hour of the day.

>> No.801895

>>801832
An e-reader lets you read a book that's 10 000 pages long, should you want to.

>> No.801897

>>801895
So does a book with 10 000 pages.

>> No.801899

Really, the best thing about e-readers is that you can actually get into a comfortable position to read from them

>> No.801900

>>801895

What book is 10,000 pages long? Not even Proust's In Search of Lost Time is that long. What kind of argument is this?

>> No.801901

>>801899
And no, before anyone responds, you can't do this with actual books. It's completely impossible

>> No.801905

>>801901

You must have terrible posture.

>> No.801908

>>801901
>I'm a deformed mutant

>> No.801912

>>801905
>>801908
You are wrong and you are making no point at all

>> No.801914

>>801912
u mad, deformedfag?

>> No.801915

Also, every counter-argument in this thread has just been completely silly. The amount of hypothetical bullshit you guys have to come up with to justify using an e-reader is hilarious. Enjoy living in a world where you read 100 books in a month, and books are 10,000 pages long.

>> No.801916

>>801914
Mad that you are outright lying? Not really

>> No.801917

>>801900
The argument is this: just as telephone expands the range within which you can easily have a spoken conversation, so the e-reader allows you carry with you a book of a previously unpractical length and/or a larger number of books. So it's just an incremental change.

>> No.801918

I'm in the process of moving out of the country now, and I can't take all my books with me...I wish I had a Kindle or something, snce it'd make my decisions much, much easier.

>> No.801919

>>801900
In the Realms of the Unreal might be that long if they actually published it... not that anyone would read it.

>> No.801920

>>801917

Please stop using this argument.

>> No.801921

>>801920
You please stop trying to argue because you are just being an arrogant jackass

>> No.801922

>>801917
I can carry books around with me. I don't need to carry around more books than I could read in a year with me at any given time.

>> No.801924

>>801921

Oh, like you're not? You're arguing in a thread that denounces the use of e-readers, and you think you're coming off as some eloquent martyr? Pike off.

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>>801921
>you are just being an arrogant jackass
>being an arrogant jackass
>you are

>> No.801927

>>801924
There's no martyrdom taking place here, just you being obnoxious

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>>801927
>just you being obnoxious

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801930

>everyone in this thread

>> No.801931

>>801927

Oh, okay. So if I argue with you I'm being obnoxious? I get it.

>> No.801935

>>801931
Nice try, but telling someone not to use an argument is not arguing.

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801937

>>801935

>> No.801949

>>801935

I'm sorry, but repeating the same idea over and over again, and having it shut down each time does become a little annoying. The telephone is not at all a good comparison in this case. Your logic doesn't make any sense. A telephone makes sense practically. An e-reader doesn't really improve anything, except that you get to take a lot of books with you that you'd never be able to read even if you wanted to.

>> No.801952

>>801949
If you can't find any practical reasons to use an e-reader then you haven't even been reading this thread.

>> No.801954

>>801952
>If you can find any practical reasons to use an e-reader then you haven't even been reading this thread.

FTFY

>> No.801956

>>801504
>could be compared to adopting a prosthetic device in circumstances that do not truly warrant it.
I'd give up my legs for solid steel turbo-legs. See you in the future, caveman.

>> No.801958

>>801952

In all honesty, I can't. You haven't exactly been providing much of a selling point for me. All you've said is that you can carry around a lot of books? So what? I can only read one book at a time, and I don't need to bring every book with me. How is this helping me? What will I do when my battery dies? I guess I can't read anymore, eh?

>> No.801960

>>801956
Solid steel turbo legs wouldn't be very useful, what with how we how they're solid and therefore inflexible.

>> No.801965

>>801960
I meant that all the moving parts are made of metal. In actuality, steel would probably be too heavy as well. Kindly allow me to rephrase my earlier statement with the promise to be more careful in the future:

I would gladly give up my fleshy legs for functioning prosthetic legs, if those prosthetic legs were superior to my own in function and not drastically inferior in form.

>> No.801970

>>801965
Enjoy having cold metal rubbing against your balls at all times.

>> No.801981

>>801958
Well I guess you live out in the wilderness or something since you don't know how electronic devices work, but those that use batteries generally have something that indicates when the battery is about to die (e.g. a little light that gradually fades) and you should get new batteries soon or recharge.

>> No.801983

>>801970
There would most likely be synthetic flesh covering the metal parts. For one thing, this would protect the artificial nerves, which would be necessary for all the functions of the legs to work properly. Another reason is that the flesh would function as insulation, keeping the temperature of the legs somewhat regulated.

>> No.801994

>>801981
Good idea. I'll just get some new batteries from the store or recherge the battery by plugging the thing in while I sit here on the plane thousands of feet in the air in the middle of a nine hour flight. Oh, wait...

>> No.801999

>>801981

I love how the only thing you responded to was my very obvious bait. You haven't given a single useful example for when I'd need an e-book reader. I'd rather not have to pay for batteries/have to re-charge my batteries. Just face it, the e-reader isn't nearly as useful as you are trying to convince yourself it is.

>> No.802006

>>801994
Recharge before you go. I have a nook with a 10-hour battery life with wifi on, and over twice that with wifi off. You're on an airplane, so you sure as hell won't need wifi.

No one is trying to kill the traditional book. I still collect and read books.

>> No.802011

>>801999
I have LEGALLY obtained over 100 free books in the last week, which, thanks to my e-reader, I can read anytime, anywhere.

Your move.

>> No.802018

>>802011

I have a free membership card for the local library that has a library of books far more staggering than that, not to mention books you cannot get digitally.

>> No.802019

My favorite thing about ereaders: you can download books for free from the internet and so you don't have to pay thousands of bux for them, and you can keep them forever (in case you want to skim through them after remembering something from the book or reading criticism at a later date) and do with them whatever you want (e.g. annotation!!) which you can't do with library books (unless you're some kind of asshole who does do that with library books)

>> No.802020

>>802006
And if you forget to recharge the batteries? I don't have to worry about keeping a book properly charged.

>> No.802026

>>802011

God, you're so stupid. Keep ignoring all of the arguments already made.

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>>802019
>unless you're some kind of asshole who does do that with library books

Sup?

>> No.802031

>>802018
How many books are you comfortable carrying on you at one time? I can carry several hundred of these books with me, and I never have to return them. They're mine.

It's convenient, for one. You just finished a book. What to read next? Oh, I know, I'll just go to the library and check these books in then check more out when I'm in the middle of a nine-hour flight.

>> No.802037

>>802011
I have a book with me at all times that I can read at any time, anywhere, and which I can show the title of off so as to impress people with my intelligence. I can also add it to my bookshelves, which I can use to show off how well read I am to anyone who visits my home.

>> No.802042

>>802031

Ha, ha. Are you still harping on about that? Give it a rest. I'm tired of this thread. You're obviously in denial. You haven't come up with a single good argument. I couldn't care less about owning books, let alone having access to 20 at any given time. It's called making a decision. And if you were on such a long flight, either pick a few smaller books or one big book to carry with your on-luggage. How is this so difficult?

>> No.802044

>>802031
>How many books are you comfortable carrying on you at one time?

20, maybe 30 depending on size. I'm pretty buff for a smart guy. I can only read one at a time, though.

>> No.802045

>>802037
>I can show the title of off so as to impress people with my intelligence. I can also add it to my bookshelves, which I can use to show off how well read I am to anyone who visits my home.
The only reason to keep physical books

>> No.802050

>>802044

I carry around 50 in a duffel bag and alternate, reading a sentence from one and then reading a sentence from another. It's incredibly efficient.

>> No.802057

So from what I can tell there has been no actual argument against e-readers in this thread, just people saying how they are uncomfortable with electronic devices when they feel they are unnecessary and stating how they can do most of the same things in less convenient ways with physical copies of books.

>> No.802063

>>802057
Impracticality is a pretty good argument against ereaders. You don't need them, they have battery issues, and you can only read one book at a time, so why bother?

>> No.802070

>>802063
>You don't need them
This is no issue.
>they have battery issues
This is also no issue.
>you can only read one book at a time
Switching between multiple books at once is certainly necessary when reading criticism and doing that with physical copies is extremely inconvenient.

>> No.802073

Why bother with ereaders? Why bother with physical copies?

>> No.802074

>>802011
MY MOVE EH?!? (Random going to Japan fag here)

I can download the SAME books, LEGALLY onto my PC/laptop at NO extra cost.

YOUR MOVE.

>> No.802075

Hey... hey you guys... you guys.

Here's an idea.

I could use BOTH.

>> No.802077

>>802075
That's what I do

>> No.802079

>>802070
Why would you be doing serious criticism work on a plane? Isn't that something better suited for an office or a library? And the battery thing is an issue, because books don't need batteries, so they're actually less complicated than ereaders. Why read with something that requires batteries when you can just read with something that doesn't? It makes no sense.

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>>802075

>> No.802081

>>802079
1. Some of us read criticism and commentary for pleasure.
2. Batteries are not complicated. How are they complicated?

>> No.802084

>>802074
I can have a physical copy that doesn't require me to go through the process of sorting files into folders and downloading it to every electronic device I own. If I want the book, I just pick it up and read it.

>> No.802087

>>802084
I am pro-book.

I'm simply nullifying the cause for e-readers if you already own a laptop/PC.

Dickmove on your part!

>> No.802089

>>802084
I don't have to sort books on bookshelf. YOUR MOVE

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802090

Automobiles are the death of driving.

All the hubbub we've heard about these horseless-buggies, and not a single person talks about what matters: the buggies themselves. Do people really think they need a thousand horses in their engines so they can save some time? You can't drive that fast, and if you do drive that fast I doubt you're able to comprehend it. Buggies are more than getting around on the same level as bicycles (which is what the majority of you treat them as). I know this is hard for you to understand. Buggies are the most reliable transportation we will ever have. We're all searching for good transportation; that buggy he will come back to again and again, that buggy that you can spend your entire life driving. It's funny when I see people list their favorite destinations and they list pages-worth of places, as if it quantity is all that matters. These people are more shallow than people than people who never leave home. At least people who never leave home know that the less number of favorite destinations you have, the better. You can't have two favorite desitnations, in the end. You're going to have to decide which is the best among them. So, what good is a horseless buggy? To save room in your stable? There are boarding stables for that. To visit friends anywhere in the world? Again, there are post offices and telegraph stations all over the world to send messages to your friend from. To waste your time? Yeah, I guess it's good for that. You could save your money and buy yourself a silly new electric telephone, which is as good an investment.

>> No.802091

>>802081
They're complicated by adding more elements to something that is already perfectly simple. Making sure they're charged and trying to keep them from running out at inconvenient times is just adding another thing to worry about. You don't have to care about that with a paper book. It works everywhere.

>> No.802093

>>802087

Eyestrain, faggot.

>> No.802094

>>802079
>>802084

Wow for people who somehow managed to make it on to the internet, you sure seem to think e-readers are complicated.

Batteries? Remember to plug it in once every 2 weeks or so. That about sums it up. Do you have a cellphone? Does it run on unicorn magic or some shit? Same deal here: just plug the damn thing in once in a while.

>> No.802095

>>802089
I don't have to sort books on my shelf. I can just put them where they fit.

>> No.802097

>>802087
I can think of about 100 different scenarios where I grab my e-reader on the way out where I would never think to grab a laptop bag or even a netbook: Doctor's office, Bringing the car in for service, hell even waiting in line at the grocery checkout.

>> No.802098

>>802094
No, I don't have a cell phone. I don't need one. I have a phone in my kitchen with which to call people.

>> No.802100

>>802095
Yeah, good luck looking for a specific one when you have hundreds to go through. I'll stick with my auto-alphabetize

>> No.802101

>>802098

Oh. You're one of those. OK never mind, go about your business.

>> No.802102

>>802098
Oh, and I forgot to mention. It never runs out of power and I don't have to worry about having no bars.

>> No.802103 [DELETED] 

>>802098

>phone

Fucking hipster garbage. Pic related; it works perfectly fine.

>> No.802104

>>802100
Why would I be looking for a specific book? I can just pick one at random and enjoy it.

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>>802098

>phone

Fucking hipster garbage. Pic related; it works perfectly fine.

>> No.802109

>>802102

Yes, that's right. Next you should switch to a bucket and going down to the stream for your water. It's free (unlike city water) and the bucket hardly ever breaks. Screw those plumbers and their complicated shit.

>> No.802110

>>802090
orson-welles-clapping.apng

>> No.802112

>>802104
Yeah well while you're living that life of whimsy just jumping from one thing to the next with no rhyme or reason some of us require at least a bit of structure in our lives (maybe it keeps us sane?). Or maybe I jsut want to lend a specific book to a friend and not have to go through a pain in the ass to find it

>> No.802114

I fucking love 4chan. Well, i love /lit/, the rest of 4chan hardly has this kind of conversation.

Omnidirectional criticism full of irony. FUCK YEAH

>> No.802115

>>802109
Plumbing works fine, and the water is clean. A stationary phone works fine, and I don't have to worry about the problems that cell phones have. And paper books work fine without being a collection of 1s and 0s.

>> No.802117

>>802112
"Can I borrow one of your books?"
"Help yourself. Shelf is that way."

Get it yourself if you want it so bad.

>> No.802118

>>802115
Chomsky disagrees.

>> No.802122

>>802117
Except he or she doesn't want to get it. I want to give it. I'm a nice guy, so I'll look for it myself. YOu're welcome

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802123

It's called being environmentally friendly, OP.

Think about college and university students, as well as teachers, in need of buying expensive and gigantic textbooks when the only thing they have to carry is a pocket sized e-reader with all the information they need.

Being able to carry a lot of information in one simple, specifically designed gadget will help when it comes to transfering information from one place to another.

Plus, it helps not being too much of a burden when traveling, since you can not take all your library with you or takes up a lot of space.

Remember only a small part of books are actually recycled and reading has become such an expensive luxury nowadays with the little time average people have and the high prices in most countries, specially when it comes to translated editions.

>> No.802126

>>802115

Cellphones work fine too, if you're not overwhelmed by the fact that they need plugging in every few days (hell, once a week if you just want one for emergencies).

Coverage is generally great unless you go somewhere REALLY out of the way (think hiking). My in-laws live in a place that's about as out in the sticks as you can get and both my wife and I have cell coverage there (two different carriers).

>> No.802129

>>802115

Plumbing: clean water without having to leave the house

Cell phone: long distance contact wherever you are

ereader: all your books, tradeable, with a "find" feature, and a book store IN YOUR POCKET

>> No.802131

>>802122
That is your problem.
>>802123
>environmentally friendly
So, what's it like being a gigantic faggot? You think the plastic used to make those things and the energy generated to charges their batteries are any better for the planet than cutting down trees to make paper?

>> No.802133

>>802117

>"Can I borrow one of your books?"
>"Help yourself. Shelf is that way... at my house... a couple cities over from here."

or

>"Can I borrow one of your books?"
>"Sure, I have them all in my pocket. Tell me which one you'd like and I'll transfer it over."

>> No.802134

>>802115

I personally love my cell phone. I'm out and about and someone needs to contact me urgently? They call my cell. Want to have a conversation with someone, say, while waiting in a doctor's office but don't want be loud? Just text them instead. Heck, I can even go on the internet or read a book off of my phone. Just go on Project Gutenberg and read away. Handy if I don't want to carry my phone and a book around with me.

>> No.802137

>>802131

I use solar panels, bitch. What now?

>> No.802139

>>802131
>That is your problem.
Yes, and it is a problem that is easily solved with automatic organization (and a find feature like that other person mentioned)

>> No.802140

>>802126
Still less reliable than a home phone, and portability is only useful when you leave your house. Which I only do when I go to work, where I also have a phone, or go visiting other people, who also have phones.

>> No.802142

>>802123

An e-reader doesn't really help students. Have you ever written an essay? You need opens books all over the place to refer to. Try doing that with an e-reader. Have fun opening and closing files to go from one book to the other. Also, I guarantee the price for those books wouldn't go down that much if they were digital.

>> No.802143

>>802131
Most paper these days is from trees that would never have existed if it wasn't for the lumber industry. So that's pretty much a wash. That being said, you keep going on about the "energy needs" of e-readers. You realize these are solid state devices that spend 99.9% of their lives "asleep" right? They SIP power. The batteries inside them are tiny, still supply weeks of life and recharge in minutes, not hours.

>> No.802144

>>802133
Why would I want to lend books to someone I'm not even in the same city with?

>> No.802145

>>802140

>Still less reliable than a home phone

I just cut your phone line. What do?

>> No.802147

>>802140
Let's rely on other people and not be independent. Also let's not go out by ourselves sometimes jsut for a bit of fresh air

>> No.802148

>>802134

Do you seriously read books off your phone? That would be cringe-worthy and senseless, I think.

>> No.802149

>>802144

You're right. That was stupid point and I apologize. After all, everyone I know or care about lives next door to me in Candyland.

>> No.802150

>>802143
Guess what the power requirements of a book are? Nothing.

>> No.802151

If some disaster should strike and we find ourselves without electricity: I'll still have my physical books to read.

>> No.802153

>>802140
Less and less so, my friend. I have a phone at home. A cellphone, the same one I carry with me wherever I go. Why pay for the same thing twice? A landline was only useful to me when I had to use it for internet. Thankfully those days are gone. I'm by far the only one. I know tons of people who never got a phone hooked up when they moved out on their own. Why should they?

>> No.802154

>>802147
Want fresh air? Open a window.

>> No.802155

>>802144
Why the hell not?

>> No.802158

>>802140

But people can't get a hold of you if you're visiting a friends house unless they know that you're there and know that person's number. And if you have a decent provider you should never have no service. I don't know. I'm out and about a lot so I see my cell phone as a necessity. If you're stationary you have no need.

>> No.802159

>>802150
So fucking what? The power requirements of a bicycle are nothing, the power requirements of walking are nothing (excepting food intake of the drive, in both cases). Yet people still drive cars. Utility outweighs the disadvantage of power requirements. The same is true for e-readers.

>> No.802164 [DELETED] 

So everyone is talking about storing books, carrying them around, lending them to someone, etc. What about reading them? Last time I checked that was the main purpose of books.

Comparing the real books/ebooks "fight" with carriages/cars, boat/plane, etc. is just plain stupid.

You travel, so you want to do it as fast and as safely as possible.
You need to speak with someone who's out of reach, so you want this to be done quickly.
You want to read... so you buy a replacement for something that already does that in a convenient enough manner.

>> No.802162

>>802150
Guess what the existence requirements of a book are. Things

>> No.802166

>>802145

Hypothetical situations are always fun. I've had a land line telephone my entire life, and not once has it been cut except for when there are power-outages. Which, really, isn't that big of a deal. I still use a cell phone, but your argument is still stupid.

>> No.802167

>>802151

>without electricity

ZOMG ELECTRICITY DISAPPEARED OUT OF EXISTENCE I NEVER SAW THIS COMING

Ever heard of a homemade generator, assface?

>> No.802170

>>802148

Only if I'm waiting somewhere and I'm bored. Or I forgot my book back at home while in a lecture so I just bring it up on my phone.

>> No.802172

>>802158

What if I don't care? Do you really need people getting a hold of you all the time? Unless your wife is pregnant, how is this useful?

>> No.802173

So everyone is talking about storing books, carrying them around, lending them to someone, etc. What about reading them? Last time I checked that was the main purpose of books.

Comparing the real books/ebooks "fight" with carriages/cars, boat/plane, etc. is just plain stupid.

You travel, so you want to do it as fast and as safely as possible.
You need to speak with someone who's out of reach, so you want this to be done quickly.
You want to read... so you buy a replacement for something that already does that in a convenient enough manner...? Doesn't sound necessary.

>> No.802178

>>802159
But ereaders are useless. You can only read one book at a time, I can carry enough physical books with me to keep me entertained, they have no power requirements, and I can actually put them on a shelf for people to see.

>> No.802180

>>802166

Cell phones are more reliable than landlines. Face.

>> No.802184

>>802164
You start out with the right idea....and then totally fuck it up at the end. Let me fix that for you:

You want to read, you have a list of books you know you want to read. So you load them up on one convenient device that you can carry with you whenever you feel the urge. This device is no larger than most books and weighs about the same. It's in fact, smaller in volume because it's quite thin. You can (in some cases) get new books that you DIDN'T think to load up in advance, from anywhere that has network coverage. Et fucking cetera.

>> No.802185

>>802180

I'm not really sure about that. Here in Toronto, during the G20 Summit, we've been warned that cell phones will be jammed at certain time periods, so I wouldn't say they're very reliable.

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>>802178

>You can only read one book at a time

Hm

>I can carry enough physical books with me to keep me entertained

Yeah

>they have no power requirements

Okay

>and I can actually put them on a shelf for people to see.

Fag.

>> No.802190

>>802172

I dunno. I have, you know, friends and loved ones who like to talk to me and message me and see what's up. With a cell phone they're able to get in contact with me wherever I am. I can be at home, at the store, hanging out with people, wherever. I don't even have a landline in my house, like another person in this thread. It's redundant and pointless.

>> No.802193

>>802184

Or you could just pick a book in advance. Are you a child? Do you need to have all your toy cars lined up for you so you can pick one on the go? What's wrong with you? You make this situation out to be like it's life or death. It's just a fucking book. Pick one. Are you going to read a little, then stop, and then read another, then stop, and then read another? I should hope not because that's fucking dumb.

>> No.802196

>>802184
And you can read all those books at once! Oh, wait, no you can't. THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING THEM ALL WITH YOU IF YOU CAN'T READ THEM ALL?!

>> No.802198

>>802185

>during the G20 Summit

Sorry, let me amend my original statement:

Cell phones are more reliable than landlines except in rare circumstances.

I wonder if there's anything that happens on occasion that knocks out landline service... maybe, like, bad weather or some such... nah, that's silly.

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>> No.802206

>>802190

That's all well and good. I have friends and family, too, but I don't feel the need to talk to them all the time. I'm not really sure why people feel they need to be interacting with someone all the time.

>> No.802207

not trolled.

>> No.802209

>>802123
I'm just saying it can help by being very practical, time and energy saving, but I didn't say at all books are useless.

We can use BOTH, I was just pointing out some advantages when it comes to having an ereader.

It's all about using your tools as much and as better as possible. Books and ereader can liev in peace.

>> No.802211

>>802198
My landline phone works during power outages. It's one of those older ones. If a cell phone ran out of battery life during a power outage, you'd ahve no means of communication.

>> No.802213

>>802193
I guess I'm fucking dumb, because I do that, for example with short story and poetry collections

>> No.802216

i stick to reading paperbacks because i want to help the environment. those e-readers require too many harmful products that require factories to make and they won't decompose like paper.

>> No.802219

>>802209
No they can't.

>> No.802220

>>802206

>That's all well and good. I have friends and family, too, but they don't like me and find me really annoying. I'm not really sure what it's like to have people actually WANT to talk to you.

>> No.802224

>>802213

Um, how is reading a collection of short stories or poetry any different than reading any other book? You switch between poetry book to poetry book? You don't just read it all the way through? What the fuck?

>> No.802230

>>802213
>I have ADD

>> No.802233

>>802196

You've never finished a book while out and about? Or realized the next book on your list in fact sucks? I've left the house with my Sony and no idea of what book I was going to be reading while they replaced my transmission at the shop... but fully confident that I'd have something on there to keep me occupied. What are you going to do? Bring your whole book shelf? Please tell me in non-vague terms how having all of your books available is somehow inferior to NOT having them?

>> No.802237

>>802211

If a telephone pole went down in your area during a storm you'd have no means of communication.

>> No.802239

>>802206

Did I say that I was interacting with people at all times? No. It's just the convenience of not having to be at home if someone wants to contact me or talk to me. I can be out in the boonies driving home from the cottage and a friend of mine can get in touch with me to see if I want to do something later. If I'm out hiking, I turn off my phone for some solitude and turn it on when I'm done to see if anyone needed me. It's convenience and just that.

>> No.802246

Apparently there is something really wrong with reading multiple books at once that I'm just not seeing

>> No.802247

>>802211
>If a cell phone ran out of battery life during a power outage, you'd ahve no means of communication.

I would. I'd go to my car and plug it in there *shrug*.

>> No.802251

>>802220

I knew this response was going to come. You sound like either a teenager or a university student that needs to have someone massaging their ego all throughout the day.

>> No.802253

>>802239

>driving home from the cottage

Bourgeois scum.

>> No.802254

>>802233
I carry three books with me at all times, one of which is an anthology and the other two novels. I can only read one at a time, and if I finish or want to switch, I can. No problem. And I don't need to shell out $100 for an ereader to do this.

>> No.802265

>>802254

I went to Alaska last year and was in the middle of nowhere living on generator power for 5 months. I shipped several boxes of books up before hand, costing me a buttload because that shit's heavy. When I go back this year, I'll slip my eReader in my pocket and that'll be that.

>> No.802270

>>802253

Actually, my grandparents bought the land up north back in the 40s and my grandfather built it by hand. Over time we've added on. The land value has gone up tremendously since then and I'm lucky to have a part of it.

>> No.802272

>>802265
>willingly goes to Alaska

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>> No.802274

>>802265

Should've just brought the Bible and memorized it all. Would've been more useful.

>> No.802276

>>802184
Choose a book in advance, or take 2 in case your 1st pick sucks.

You can always take a walk and buy one, order them online, etc.
Even bookstores and libraries have a social function (not so much these days). They give jobs to a whole lot of people, people can interact with each other, even with authors, etc.

Put the ecology aspect of books vs ebooks aside and I don't see what's so good about them.

>> No.802279

>>802270

Forgot to mention that the land was dirt cheap. Nobody wanted land in Northern Ontario back then.

>> No.802281

I can carry a collection of papers that I have to read for my lab research, the book that I'm reading just for the hell of it, a textbook for reference while reading those papers, and comics in case I decide to stop reading dense literature. On my ebook reader. Granted, it was 100 dollars, but the convenience of not being tied to a single book during long drives far outweighs the costs.

You call it ADD, I call it being able to do more than one thing without having to choose between returning to my house or lugging around a bag full of books and papers.

Granted, everyone has different preferences.

>> No.802284

>>802265

I'm willing to admit this is a fair argument, but it's probably one of the few exceptions.

>> No.802286

>>802281
Is it really so hard for people to understand that you can only read one book at a time and that you can carry around several with you?

>> No.802287

Not mentioned so far (but hinted at): You don't need a friend with a strong back and a pick-up truck to help you move your collection of e-books.

>> No.802288

>>802274

I wish I could argue against this, but those fuckers are crazy with the Jesus Juice up there.

>> No.802292

>>802284

Fishermen, hikers, travelers of all kinds. It's not really that rare of a situation.

>> No.802293

>>802287
You don't need help to move regular books either. Unless you're laughably weak.

>> No.802294

>>802287

Maybe because of this physical interaction that friend might become more than just a friend.

>> No.802296

>>802292

Hikers don't have power generators with them.

>> No.802298

Why would I carry around several textbooks when I don't have to? I carry around textbooks on cellular biology, molecular biophysics, physical chemistry, organic chemistry, and enzymatic chemistry for my research papers. Should I carry around all of those just to use for reference? You cannot seriously expect me to carry around 6 textbooks just to quickly search one for a specific topic.

>> No.802299

>>802286

Is it really so hard for people to understand that having a long list of books you want to read *on you* whenever you finish a book is preferable to having just 1 or 2? In this case More really IS Better. How is having fewer options superior? Will someone please explain that to me?

>> No.802300

>>802286
I might find in one book what appears to be an allusion to another and want to compare immediately instead of making a goddamn note

>> No.802303

>>802286

Actually, I can move my eyes separately, so I can read two books at one time while translating one into Latin and the other into Greek. Don't hate on my genius.

>> No.802305

>>802296

You don't need one, bro. The battery last two weeks.

>> No.802306

>>802298
I carry all my textbooks with me. Because I am not a weak little eight year old girl.

>> No.802307

>>802299
If you have so many options, sometimes it's just too hard to choose........

>> No.802309

>>802299

Uh, you're telling me you can't decide which book you want to read more, so you have to bring your entire library with you? What?

>> No.802310

>>802306

But just think; if you had e-versions of all those textbooks, you could cram more snacks into your backpack, you hulking, jowly behemoth, you.

>> No.802311

>>802296
>Hikers don't have power generators with them.

Nor do they need to. I keep my reader charged with a tiny little foldout solar panel. I live on a sailboat for months at a time. I don't want to run the engine or the generator just to charge the damn reader. An hour or so in the bright caribbean sun and I'm set for another week or more.

>> No.802313

>>802305

What if it rains?

>> No.802314

>>802299
It forces you to finish what you start instead of moving at random from one book to another. It helps you learn how to focus and not have a four second attention span.

>> No.802315

>>802306

If you enjoy carrying around 6 textbooks just for the hell of it everywhere you go, when a vastly more convenient method is available, then more power to you. I'm not going to argue with a fool.

>> No.802316

>>802306

BACK IN MY DAY I HAD TO WALK 25 MILES OVER TWO MOUNTAINS, THROUGH TWO DESERTS, AND THROW FIVE FEET OF SNOW TO GET TO SCHOOL! NOW YOU JUST TAKE THE BUS! YOU GOOD FER NOTHIN' KIDS!

Yeah, convenience is the ultimate evil.

>> No.802317

>>802309
No, I'm telling you BECAUSE I have my entire library with me, I don't have to even worry about what I want to read next. I'll just look at what I think looks interesting when the time comes. Once again, please tell me how this is inferior to "I can carry 2 books, duh".

>> No.802318

>>802311

Nice hypothetical.

>> No.802319

>>802310
Why would I want snacks? They'd make me fat.

>> No.802320

>>802313

Well, I guess my ereader gets wet, along with my bare penis and balls and all the food and equipment I carry around in my arms when I go hiking.

I really need to buy some fucking clothes and a pack.

>> No.802321

>>802317
Because you are an unfocused child incapable of finishing what you start, and you always will be if you don't learn how to read properly.

>> No.802322

>>802319

>Why would I want snacks? They'd make me fatter. Brb, getting ice cream.

>> No.802323

>>802319

They're called fruits, vegetables, nuts, and legumes. Tend to be healthy snacks. Heck, some, like celery, take more calories to eat than they have in them! Jeez Louise!

>> No.802325

>>802322
>ad hominen

Cool projection, bro.

>> No.802326

>>802321

Let's also mention the fact that most ebook readers allow you to quickly look up a word using the included dictionary. Should we also carry around dictionaries?

>> No.802327

>>802318

Are you saying people don't live on sailboats?

>> No.802328

>>802326

Yes.

>> No.802329

>>802318
LOL Hypothetical? Lots of people spend winters in the carib sailing. Most of them are retirees and as such pretty much tech-phobic. It's real enough, and I wish I was there right now but unfortunately it's hurricane season.

>> No.802330

>>802325

>I'm a fatty.

>> No.802331

>>801504
Attention all retards posting in this thread, It is a matter of preference and no one gives a shit what you prefer; Especially on an anonymous internet imageboard.

>> No.802334

>>802326
If you need a dictionary just to be able to read, you shouldn't be reading. You should be going back to school and taking 10th grade english again.

>> No.802335

>>802331

Oh, okay. I guess I'll stop posting now. Faggot.

>> No.802336

>>802330
Yes, you are.

>> No.802337

>>802328

So at any given time I should carry around a book and a dictionary, instead of a simple device that includes both in addition to another book in case I decide that I'm tired of reading research papers? How does that make any sense? Now you're just being obstinate.

>> No.802339

>>802336

Acceptance is the first step, bro. I'm proud of you. Next step is to stop being fat.

>> No.802340

Btw, most people who are reluctant to accept ebook readers most likely feel like that because the current technology sucks and its pros are not as advantageous as they advertise.

So, when publishing companies realize they should charge less for something in a digital media and when the manufacturers come up with something in which you can skip pages that feels close to a real book, that allows you to search for text strings inside the book, take notes, export them to whatever format you like and every other improvement they can make, then, sure, I'd buy an e-book reader.

>> No.802341

>>802334

It's handy when reading, say, Blood Meridian, where the vocabulary used includes archaic words no longer in use. Just one example.

>> No.802342

>>802334
Ah yes, I also only read books that use high-school level vocabularies

>> No.802343

>>802334

Anyone who claims that they have never encountered a word that they didn't have to look up is full of it. It happens when you read books not written for preteens.

>> No.802344

>>802335
What

Why is he a faggot for pointing out that this debate is endlessly stupid and pointless and pedantic and arcane and just foolish

>> No.802346

>>802337
It makes sense for reasons that have been explained several times in this thread, but you probably didn't bother to read the thread, being an unfocused ereaader-using infant.

>> No.802347

>>802347

>> No.802350

>>802343
Yeah but it's very rare that it is absolutely essential that you determine the exact meaning, right then and there.

You work out the broad meaning from context, move on, and then look it up later in a dictionary, instead of disrupting the flow of your reading

>> No.802354

>>802342
Anyone using an ereader has the mentality of a child.

>> No.802355

>>802344

Because you suck on penis.

>> No.802357

E-readers are great for people who REALLY REALLY like books. There's few enough of us around to start with. The real death knell of dead tree media is going to come when the masses realize they can read Twilight on their cellphones just as easily. I give paper books another 10-20 years, at best.

>> No.802358

>>802346

Says the person who resorts to insults instead of addressing perfectly valid reasons to use an ebook reader.

>> No.802361

Anyone refusing to use an ereader has the mentality of a child.

>> No.802363

>>802350

It doesn't matter how rare it is. If it happens, then I can look it up with a single flick of my wrist.

>> No.802364

>>802358
There is no reason to use an ereader. I'd tell you to read the thread, but that would be pointless because of how obviously lazy you are.

>> No.802365

>>802358
It is not like there is one correct and fundamentally valid logical choice. Neither the use of paper books nor ebook readers is 'correct' in any sense. Listing up reasons to use one over the other makes no sense, except inasmuch as it guides your personal decision. You are retarded.

>> No.802368

>>802361
>hello I'm 12

>> No.802370

>>802355
Logic at its finest

>> No.802372

fuck all of you people, fuck the internet, fuck everything ever

>> No.802373

>>802365

I'm not saying that one is correct while the other isn't. I'm arguing against the people who call them useless. They have their uses, and to say otherwise is retarded.

>> No.802375

>>802365
Nonsense. Using paper books is the only correct option.

>> No.802376

>>802365
This, but applied to every post ITT

>> No.802379

>>802364
>There is no reason to use an ereader

..in your little cell-phone avoiding, luddite world. That about sums up about 1/2 this fucking thread. Jesus fucking christ it's almost like theists/atheists in here.

>> No.802386

>>802373
>They have their uses

All the uses of ereaders can be accomplished without using an ereader. Your argument is invalid.

>> No.802389

well. i dont read more than one book at a time and i sometimes spend three months reading it. an ebook or a computer would be a waste of energy for me. i'm a pretty slow reader and i believe that really understanding one single book is better than reading a lot of them really fast. that's just me. i have nothing against people who read a lot of books real quick or anybody who reads from an ebook. it's very good to see people reading, no matter on what!

>> No.802392

>>802379
Sure it is. And I bet you believe in God, too.

>> No.802395

>>802386
No they can't

>> No.802397

>>802386
>All the uses of ereaders can be accomplished without using an ereader. Your argument is invalid.

I have a couple hundred books on my ereader. I hope you have a strong back.

>> No.802399

>>802386

But with an e-reader it's far more convenient. Goddamn, I prefer paper books and I am completely on the side of the e-reader people here. Your arguments are completely Luddite in nature and amount to nothing more than "technology and progress are evil."

>> No.802401

>>802386
God, you shut up too. Why does it matter so enormously to you? Why do you care if anyone uses an e-reader? Let them do so.

It is a matter of preference, not a matter of logic and derived truth. Shut the fuck up with your petty, bullshit arguments, it's pretty objectively clear that one can reasonably choose either side.

>> No.802418

Reading books? Can be done without ereaders.
Buying books? Can be done without ereaders.
Buying them online? With regular computers.
Multiple books at once? Get a backpack.
Lending to others? Give them the book.
Running out of power? Not a problem for books.
Price? Books cost $10, ereaders $100+books.
Lose the ereader? $100 to replace it.
Lose the book? $10 to replace it.
Want to read a book but not buy it? Library.

The ereader is the inferior choice.

>> No.802421

>>802401
History will prove one side or the other right. If paper books are considered quaint in the not to distant future, I would not be too surprised. I don't think it's ereaders that will do it though. They are too specialized a device and the public at large doesn't care enough about reading to make them relevant.

>> No.802437

>>802421

Protip: most of the population already thinks books in general are quaint.

>> No.802445

>>802418
>Reading books? Can be done without ereaders.

Agreed.

>Buying books? Can be done without ereaders.

Not from "anywhere, anytime".

>Buying them online? With regular computers.

See above. Also, have fun waiting 5 days on fedex ground before you can read part 2 in your trilogy.

>Multiple books at once? Get a backpack.

More like get a pick-up truck, considering how many books the typical ereader can hold.

>Lending to others? Give them the book.

Lending to others, copy the file. BONUS: You can still read it.

>Running out of power? Not a problem for books.

Running out of power? PLUG IT IN. Apparently this is difficult.

>Price? Books cost $10, ereaders $100+books.

Ereader costs $100 after which books are free. Quite the savings if you read a lot.

>Lose the ereader? $100 to replace it.

Agreed (but... so what? I haven't lost anything of value since I was a kid)

>Lose the book? $10 to replace it.

See above.

>Want to read a book but not buy it? Library.

Or download it. For Free. And keep it. Forever.

>> No.802447

>>802418
see
>>802365

>> No.802452

Reading books? Can be done without ereaders. (But also can be done with e-readers)
Buying books? Can be done without ereaders. (Can be done more conveniently on e-readers)
Buying them online? With regular computers. (can receive the book instantly on the e-reader upon purchase and can buy a book while anywhere)
Multiple books at once? Get a backpack. (Can't carry a backpack in all circumstances. What if I'm going to work? I can't go into the office with a backpack. An e-reader fits in my suitcase. I have a variety of books to choose from without taking up space.)
Lending to others? Give them the book. (I'll give paper books the point here. I can transfer the book to another e-reader, but it isn't as simple)
Running out of power? Not a problem for books. (Once again, e-readers last 2 weeks. Charge it more often than that and you have no problems)
Price? Books cost $10, ereaders $100+books. (But if you pirate, you can save a lot more overall. I don't pirate. E-reader's purely for convenience)
Lose the ereader? $100 to replace it.
Lose the book? $10 to replace it. (I'll give you that but I'm also far more likely to keep track of my e-reader than a book)
Want to read a book but not buy it? Library. (Pirating! It's lovely!)

Looking at that, it looks to me like e-readers have the advantage. They are a luxury, but in some cases a necessity.

>> No.802461

>>802445
If you can't wait for your books to arrive, you have the mind of a spoiled child who needs everything right away.

And the argument about moving books is retarded, because you can only read one at a time, and don't need hundreds of books with you. Showing off how many files you have is unimpressive. Having a bookshelf filled with literature is a different story.

You honestly feel the need to defend your useless little collection of circuits from valid criticism? You honestly think it is superior? You are a god damn idiot, and should probably give up reading.

>> No.802464

>>802461
I'm new to this thread, but I'm going to respond to this.

It doesn't matter that I have my entire book collection at my fingertips, but it does matter that I have an enormous selection of offerings not necessarily available in libraries or in every given bookstore immediately at my disposal. I have access to more books through my Kindle than I ever did before.

Sure, the eReader certainly isn't a requirement and certainly is a luxury, but it offers an added convenience without significant downsides. If you have the money to spare, why not?

>> No.802467

>>802452
They do not have the advantage, because they are a waste of money, an inconvenience, and can do nothing unique or useful. You thinking otherwise just goes to show how stupid you are.

>> No.802468

>>802461

>Showing off how many files you have is unimpressive. Having a bookshelf filled with literature is a different story.

Yes because a shelf of books is SO impressive. You're a fucking moron. You know what it takes to have a shelf of literature? A credit card and an hour on amazon.com.

>You honestly feel the need to defend your useless little collection of circuits from valid criticism? You honestly think it is superior? You are a god damn idiot, and should probably give up reading.

And you are an idiot who feels the need to defend outdated piles of dead tree. You've probably already given up reading.

>> No.802470

>>802445
To be honest, this is my one problem with your argument: I'm not sure I can support downloading books to the extent that you do. In fact, I feel that doing so is generally bad for the publishing industry and is liable to contribute to the death of books.

I kind of feel like one has a responsibility to purchase books by one's favorite authors, both as a gesture of thanks and to ensure that more are coming down the tube. So if e-readers are going to lead to massive book piracy, I'm not sure if I should get on board. We SHOULD be paying for books.

>> No.802472

>>802464
>why not?

Because I could invest that money into buying real books. You know, the kind that I can read and put on a shelf where books belong. The kind that people who aren't faggots read.

>> No.802474

>>802470
This thread's already bad enough without getting in to the ethics and morality of pirating books.In a nutshell: I've never bought books, ever. I used to go to the library, now I download them.

>> No.802476

>>802468
Fine. Put your ereader on a shelf and see how many people are impressed by your display of faggotry. Then compare that to a shelf full of proper books.

>> No.802477

>>802461
>If you can't wait for your books to arrive, you have the mind of a spoiled child who needs everything right away.
You keep saying things like this, so there is no reason to take you seriously

>> No.802480

>>802477
>I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAY

Go cry to your mother.

>> No.802484

>>802470

I do not see the point of buying a book if it's in the public domain. If the author's dead, I may still buy the book if the family of the author respects their legacy, but if they don't I'm going to download it.

>> No.802486

>>802480
You are saying things that are simply wrong. I'm sorry

>> No.802487

harry potter, ulysses, and the bible all look different as "real" books. the bible would look like the bible, feel like the bible, maybe have illustrations according to the stories, have a font that matches the content, would even be printed on paper that suits the ancient touch (read: no glossy high polish paper). And every other book would have these things matching the story and content.

E-readers have advantages, but you loose this. It's pretty much like the CD, Vinyl / mp3 discussion.

>> No.802488

>>802474
And I know I've had this argument before, but at least if you go to a library somebody is paying for the damn things. There are more copies bought per person reading. and I think that's a good thing, honestly.

>> No.802490

>>802486
The truth hurts. Deal with it.

>> No.802491
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>>802476

>trying to impress people with your book collection

urdoinitrong... in so many ways.

>> No.802495

>>802490
Truth isn't so painful when there is no truth to be found

>> No.802496

>>802484
Do you really read nothing but public domain works? I mean, obviously, yeah, public domain, go ahead and download it.

>> No.802497

>>802472

"Because I could invest that money into buying records. You know, the kind that I can listen to on a record player and put on a shelf where albums belong. The kind that people who aren't faggots listen to."

I hope you don't download your music because it's the same thing. Heck, listening to CDs is only for the plebs in society.

>> No.802500

>>802488
(I'm someone different but) no, i dont think so. because? because the big money goes to the sellers, not to the authors, and i want to pay the authors, not the sellers. complicated.

>> No.802501

>>802496

I did not say that at all. I said that if the works are in the public domain, there's no point in buying a physical copy. And if the author's dead, I feel no need to buy it either as his livelihood is not at stake.

>> No.802502

>>802491
At least my shelf full of books will be read, which is something you and the rest of the hipster faggots carrying around ONE HUNDRED BOOKS will never be able to do.

>> No.802503

>>802497
Books are superior to music as a form of entertainment. Only uncultured swine would choose music over books.

>> No.802506

>>802500
Okay, first off, that is much less true in books than in music (although still someone true) because the publishing industry is structured very differently from the music industry.

Second, when you buy a book, some of the money still goes to the author, so you are in some sense rewarding him, even if more goes to some other body.

Third, when you buy a book, you are making it much, much more likely that further books from the same author & more broadly more books that are similar to that book will be released. So it's kind of stupid not to buy books that you really like.

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>>802503

Only someone with no taste in music would say that. It may be true with uncultured popular music, but music of worth is equal to literature, and in some cases superior. I have always said that if I had to choose between going deaf or blind, I would choose to go blind, because a world without fine music is a world not worth living in.

>> No.802511

>>802510
Silence is golden. You are a faggot.

>> No.802512

>>802496
I actually read nothing but project gutenberg for a while. There's just a lot of good stuff on there. If I had a choice (which I do, duh) I'd obviously have a wider range of books to choose from, but being restricted to just "free, as in beer" books could be OK. Don't forget publishers like Baen, either (yes yes, I know.. Baen...).

>> No.802518

>>802506

I'm a poorfag, I only buy used. I can't afford an ereader or I'd have one. Either way authors are getting bupkis from me since only the original sale made them money.

>> No.802522

>>802511

I cannot imagine living without swelling crescendo and vibrant vibrato. Music touches the soul and hits you in a way that nothing else can. I pity you for not being able to experience that.

Unless you're a troll, which you obviously are.

>> No.802527

>>802452
It's easier to lend a book with paper books, but it's easier to get a book with an eReader so that you will no longer have to lend books. You'll simply say "sample this" and your friend will whip out his eReader and do so, without anyone having to look for the physical copy or worrying about returning it.

I personally would not buy an eReader as none of its benefits benefit me. I don't lend books, I don't buy books outside of flea markets and garage sales because I enjoy hunting for my titles. When I do buy books I buy them when I travel because I enjoy the connection to place it creates in the book and gives me an excuse to visit bookstores throughout the world.

But I'm not a douche so I don't give a shit if everyone else in the entire world is using a kindle. It just means they might have libraries their willing to sell for a pittance.

>> No.802536

>>802522
If you think music is moving, you obviously have yet to read anything of any literary merit. Even lower end books have a stronger emotional impact on the reader than the most moving piece of music ever composed.

>> No.802537

>>802506
there are more books written of the kind i like than i could ever read. the authors get money per copy sold, true, but it's way too little in my opinion. not buying books wont help it, that's true too, but then again i try to buy books when they are sold by smaller dealers who care more about their clients / authors. Ofc, these are more expensive because small dealers dont have that much fiscal flexibility etc, but knowing the money goes to the authors is worth the money to me.

>> No.802538

>>802527
yeah baby whip out your ereader

>> No.802558

>>802536

As I said, I pity you.

>> No.802564

>>802558
Your sentiments are misplaced. Direct your pity toward someone deserving of it, such as yourself.

>> No.802573

>>802558
>>802536
yo, dudes, why can't we agree that both music and books are nice. everyone sit down and fucking chill.

>> No.802576

>>802573
Because books are superior to music, just like paper is superior to garbage.

>> No.802600

>>802573

Rodney, is that you?

>> No.802601

>>802576
so music = garbage? alright, i'm out.

>> No.802611

i just read that an e-reader is just better because you can have a lot of books on it...

but what about bookmarks, word search, etc etc

you can put all the notice of your devices..etc etc i think that it could be useful, the only problem remains that ebooks are too expensive for what they are, only one solution, they should give you for free or one extra dollar the ebook with the real one.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

>> No.802631

>>802611
Not really. People are still using ereaders. If anything, that just makes the problem worse by encouraging people to be faggots.

>> No.802649

>>802631

You know, the idea that paper books are on their way out used to make me kind of sad. Now, knowing it will make people like you rage, it kind of makes me happy.

>> No.802668

>>802649
Too bad they aren't going away. Books will survive, and ereaders will fizzle out and die like every other fad.

>> No.802686

>>802668
Well, yes, I won't deny that books will survive. There's some sad types out there who still swear by vinyl as well.

>> No.802705

>>802686
The difference between a book fan and a vinylfag is that the book fan is cultured.