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What is your opinion on Joseph McElroy? And what is the best place to start?

>> No.7982123

There's a good chart I downloaded once hold on keep this thread alive for a few hours and I'll be able to post it
Basically start with Night Soul and other stories

>> No.7982590

>>7982113
McElroy is one of the best post-war writers. I recommend you start with The Lookout Cartridge or A Smuggler's Bible, and that you avoid Cannonball and Women and Men at all costs, since those are likely to turn you away from him.

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>>7982113
>>7982123

>> No.7982608

>>7982590
>since those are likely to turn you away from him.
Why do you say that?

>> No.7982662

>>7982590
>>7982593
Thanks a lot!

>> No.7982666

>>7982113
>what is the best place to start?

W O M E N A N D M E N
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>> No.7982717

>>7982590
why avoid womem and men. I wanted to start with that

>> No.7982769

>>7982593
Is there an infograph like this for william gaddis?

>> No.7982854

>>7982769
Nigga wrote 5 books. Read 'em, then read 'em again. Just don't start with JR.

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>>7982769
>>7982854
pic related

>> No.7982921

>>7982769
imagine this text in a funky infograph: start with the recognitions

>> No.7982934

>>7982608
>>7982717
They are both weird and extremely difficult, so, unless you like that, I'd stay away from them.

>> No.7982938

>>7982113
Where does one acquire his work

>> No.7982939

>>7982593
why is it recommended to have read the recognitions before smugglers bible?

>> No.7982941

>>7982876
Why does JR look so small? Is it just the perspective? That thing's over 1000 pages, right?

>> No.7982957

>>7982941
Might just have thin pages.

>> No.7982993

>>7982939
I want to know this as well.

>> No.7983010

>>7982939
>>7982993
Joseph McElroy was heavily influenced by William Gaddis, so reading The Recognitions may help to understand it.

>> No.7983014

>>7982876
Jr sounds so hard. I wanna read it.

>> No.7983043

>>7983014
me too. i really wish dalkey would start printing it again so i don't have to pay scalper prices.

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>>7982941
>>7982957
It's about 726 pages. The Recognitions is the one that's close to 1k. You might be mistaken with McElroy or Gass' books.

>>7983014
>>7983043
It's one of the most beautiful and rewarding books I've ever read. It's worth it.

>> No.7984893

>>7982113
I read about 100 pages of Women and Men once. It was completely different from anything I'd ever read. It had this narrative where McElroy would sort of involve you into the story, mainly by referencing to the main character, Jim Mayn, as "you". It would also simultaneously break away from the present into the future from Jim's perspective since he supposedly has the ability to see into the future. Along with that, foot long sentences from which your attention would somehow never waver.
Sufficed to say, it was fucking amazing, but sadly I had to leave it because of exams and when I came back to it I sort of lost track, but I'm planning on starting it again sometime soon.

>> No.7985227

>>7982593
This chart's pretty good, I haven't read Hind's Kidnap or Cannonball though.

>>7982608
>>7982717
It's really good but it's work. If you don't like his style you'll hate it, and if you try to read it as your first McElroy you probably won't finish it. I did what that chart is recommending (Night Soul and then Smuggler's Bible) and I was hooked, and knowing how good he is helped me push through the parts of W&M that weren't doing anything for me.

>>7982939
I haven't read any Gaddis and still greatly enjoyed Smuggler's Bible. I wouldn't worry about it.

>> No.7986813

>>7982113
>>7982113
Ebook soon?

http://www.dzancbooks.org/dzanc-reprint-series/

>> No.7986908

>>7986813
They're probably doing a printing next year

>> No.7987421

>>7986908
oh fuck

do we have an ETA for its e-book at least


I could not find it

>> No.7988350

>>7987421
Ebook should definitely be coming next spring, I don't think they've officially decided about a print run but they've been hinting pretty hard

>> No.7989151

>>7987421
Not sure how you feel about it but there's a pretty clean epub available already on your favorite shady website.