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hey /lit/, how do I into modern/postmodern philosophy? I want to read Spinoza, Hobbes, Hegel, Kierkegaard, ultimately Bataille, Lyotard, Deleuze. I keep pickip up these guys, fail miserably to understand shit and feel like shit afterwards.

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>>7979677
>eel like shit afterwards.
You picked the wrong philosophers.

Read Epicurus, Strirner and Nietzsche. Best in my opinion.

>> No.7980015

>>7979694
OP here, I've read Epicurus, really neat stuff, however Stirner seems not so accessible. I've heard that he works strictly in Hegel's tradition, should I start with him?

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>>7980015
That's who he studied under, as I understand it.
It all depends on how deep into philosophy you want to go. Me, not so much, so a cursory look is good enough for me. Stirner's ideas seem rather simple though.

>> No.7980186

Read Descartes's meditations and objections and replies, then Hume's Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding. Don't just read through them, but try to engage with the arguments as you read. This will take a lot of time.

Drop the pomo.

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>>7979694
>how to get into modern philosophy
>read epicurus

>> No.7980243

>>7980235
Moderns are wrong to get into. My opinion.

>> No.7980422

Keep in mind that Deleuze and other post-modernist philosophers are just a secret guide to fucking monogamous couples and you'll be pretty much good.

Once you figure that out a lot of parts that seemingly didn't make sense, start to make a lot of sense, and even the parts that don't make sense are still sexually provocative.

>> No.7980572

>>7979677
Philosophy is not something you just blow through like a pulpy fiction novel. You have to be willing to struggle with it a little and fail to understand things on first reading. That said, you will not understand Hegel without Kant, who requires you to know Hume and probably Descartes. With that core you can start moving into newer philosophers. The only guy who stands well on his own in the 19th century is Nietzsche (though you should be familiar with the Greeks for him since he spends most of his time engaging their ideas)

Once and only once you have those figures down should you explore outside of them.

>> No.7982712

>>7980572
I didn't intend to say that I want an easy way to philosophy, the post just sounded frustrated because I felt like I needed some guidance regarding the ground works. Thank you anon :)

>> No.7982754

Im new to philosophy but im interested in modern philosphers. Do i have to start w the greeks or is that just a meme?