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[Anonymous No.7921897]

Redpill me on how Lucifer can be evil if god is omnipotent.

[Anonymous No.7921899]

Free will

[Anonymous No.7921902]

God gives free will

[Anonymous No.7921903]

>pillshit
Sage

[Anonymous No.7921907]

>>7921897
Evil is all things that come from knowledge

[Anonymous No.7921911]

>>7921907
So he actually wanted us to be robots?

[Anonymous No.7921916]

>>7921897
the satan (small s hard first a) was never evil in the near east, he was a temptor or a devils advocate. When he challenges God about Job, he wasnt being evil, he was doing his job.

It was early Christian and medieval MYTHOLOGY as well as the tendency for Christian Missionaries in Europe to assign diabolical attributes to old gods that created todays satan.

Anyways, Elaine Pagels (author of The Gnostic Gospels which is basically a number 1 book in modern biblical scholarship) has a book dealing with it that is easy to pirate.

Also

>redpill
get fucked

[Anonymous No.7921940]

>>7921911
Knowledge is divergent from nature. When man tasted the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, he began to create a morality and purpose distinct from design. There is arrogance and idolatry in the presumption of our plans above God's intent.

[Anonymous No.7921944]

>>7921911
Just to be ignorant and innocent

[Anonymous No.7921978]

>>7921940
>Knowledge is divergent from nature
no its not, thats dumb

[Anonymous No.7921979]

If God is omnipotent, he can make/let Lucifer be evil

[Anonymous No.7921992]

>>7921979
In that case he cannot be Omnibenevolent.

>>7921902
Too bad that doesnt explain natural suffering, especially when some mook implies it is "God's Punishment". If you get hit by lightning when you do something bad it isnt free will, you are being threatened."

-‘When Creationists talk about God creating every individual species as a separate act, they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things.

‘But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind.

‘And [I ask them], “Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all- merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child’s eyeball? Because that doesn’t seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy.”’1

David Attenborough

[Anonymous No.7922354]

>>7921992
>not omnibenevolent

Assuming Lucifer exists, he is one of God's children just like all of us, and God loves him the same. This can be seen in how God has granted Lucifer free will

[Anonymous No.7922399]

>>7922354
If you love all your children equally, it's not benevolent to make some of them cruel and more powerful than the others.

[Anonymous No.7922403]

>>7922399

Who are we to say what's benevolent to God's mind

[Anonymous No.7922421]

>>7921992

"With respect to the theological view of the question; this is always painful to me.— I am bewildered.— I had no intention to write atheistically. But I own that I cannot see, as plainly as others do, & as I shd wish to do, evidence of design & beneficence on all sides of us. There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent & omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidæ with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars, or that a cat should play with mice. Not believing this, I see no necessity in the belief that the eye was expressly designed. On the other hand I cannot anyhow be contented to view this wonderful universe & especially the nature of man, & to conclude that everything is the result of brute force. I am inclined to look at everything as resulting from designed laws, with the details, whether good or bad, left to the working out of what we may call chance. Not that this notion at all satisfies me. I feel most deeply that the whole subject is too profound for the human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton.— Let each man hope & believe what he can.—

"Certainly I agree with you that my views are not at all necessarily atheistical. The lightning kills a man, whether a good one or bad one, owing to the excessively complex action of natural laws,—a child (who may turn out an idiot) is born by action of even more complex laws,—and I can see no reason, why a man, or other animal, may not have been aboriginally produced by other laws; & that all these laws may have been expressly designed by an omniscient Creator, who foresaw every future event & consequence. But the more I think the more bewildered I become; as indeed I have probably shown by this letter."

- Charles Darwin, Letter to Asa Gray, 22 May 1860

http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/DCP-LETT-2814.xml

[Anonymous No.7922423]

>>7922403

In that case, who are we to say that benevolence is an attribute of God? One cannot have it both ways.

[Anonymous No.7922427]

>>7921897
it's a plot-hole, it's just fiction.

[Anonymous No.7922433]

>>7921897
God isn't real or omnipotent.
Seriously, has anyone here even heard of the Omnipotence Paradox?

[Anonymous No.7922463]

>>7922433
It's a rather retarded argument because God is supposed to be above and beyond rules of reality. Like, he/it/they (gods in general, often) doesn't conform to our human rules, you do realize that right

[Anonymous No.7922464]

>>7922403
We are the ones who suffer.

[Anonymous No.7922473]

>>7921897
God of Israel is omnipotent only in a limited area.

[Anonymous No.7922482]

>>7922433

Not a paradox. The fault lies in the failure to distinguish between actuality and potentiality. Saying God isn't omnipotent because he can make a rock he can't lift is like saying I'm dead because I can commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.7922489]

So is redpill just a synonym for spoonfeeding now?

I already know the answer: it always has been.

[Anonymous No.7922520]

>>7921944
>Omnipotent and all-knowing being creates a race of sapient creatures
>Actively punishes them when they seek to learn about the world around them and try to understand their intrinsic reality independently of their understanding of their creator

>>7922427
This desu senpai. I have nothing against the specific tenets of religion, however I do think that any story contained within in holy books and their ilk that can't be directly verified should be viewed as pure parable and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.7922535]

>>7921903
This and
>>7921916
This

What Christians call Satan or Lucifer is actually a conflation and recharacterization of several figures.