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/sffg/ Science Fiction and Fantasy and Sci Fi and SFF General Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:00:37 2016 No.7912424 [Reply] [Original]

>>7899340
American version of anime edition.

Recommendation Charts:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/3v2oXAY.jpg (embed)
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg (embed)
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg (embed)
>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg (embed)
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg (embed) / http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg (embed)

>What is your favorite action scene in genre fiction?
>Is the worst of SFF as bad as light novels?
>Best SFF waifu again

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:03:40 2016 No.7912440 >Anything being worse than too cool for school plain anime protagonist that goes to the academy of magic in a world where everyone knows instant transmission and fights with over sized melee weapons despite the universe having guns readily available

Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:05:06 2016 No.7912446

>>7912440
>He accidentally gropes or sees the naked body of a princess of the first day and must duel her
I dunno, it's becoming its own genre. We don't watch to see what happens, we watch to see how this bland black-haired Japanese guy makes friends with this tsundere blonde princess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:06:08 2016 No.7912453 >>7912440 >Gor

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:07:41 2016 No.7912462 >>7912440 Chinese kids read xianxia, epic fantasies of hundreds of chapters of antisocial loners getting super-kung fu from secret herbs and having sex with all the girls for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:14:16 2016 No.7912484 Anyone planning on reading Sharp Ends?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:16:09 2016 No.7912489 Does anyone have recommendations for a novel that fits my insanely picky taste and vague reading history? I'll be sure to insult your suggestion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:18:03 2016 No.7912492 >>7912489 Read some pleb shit like Pynchon

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:21:58 2016 No.7912500 Is there a space opera equivalent of Conan? Basically a series of short pulp stories about a single dude going around space and fucking shit up is what I want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:26:30 2016 No.7912513 File: 39 KB, 318x469, The_Pride_of_Chanur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7912489 The Pride of Chanur by C. J. Cherryh :3

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:27:57 2016 No.7912516 >>7912500 I'm actually planning on writing one. John Carter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:28:56 2016 No.7912521 >>7912516 Isn't John Carter limited to Mars?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:29:52 2016 No.7912523 >>7912521 He goes to the moons and the hollow insides of the planet too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 21:34:40 2016 No.7912534 File: 55 KB, 492x690, Ponos_Chanura.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7912513 The covers for translations of this book are hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 23:05:37 2016 No.7912747 Is there anything in anime worth bringing over to science fiction?

Anonymous Mon Apr 11 23:12:38 2016 No.7912765

>>7912747
All-female casts and SoL.
And the willingness to bash ideas into the ground to get to the bottom of them. You wouldn't believe how many different times different Japs have done trapped-in-an-MMO, and they end up looking at the idea from all different directions, exploring why we like video games so much, why we get so absorbed in them, why we start thinking of them as more real than real life. They've got a ton of social problems, and those lead to new solutions - like imageboards, for example. But their prose invariably sucks. Nature of the language probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 23:14:12 2016 No.7912774 >>7912765 Really? I figured it was all panty shots and hot springs episodes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 23:15:11 2016 No.7912778 >>7912424 I vividly remember the last 20 or so pages of Foundation and Empire. What a brilliant ending. This stood out to me as the highest point in what was already a series of classics (in the arena of SF).

Anonymous Mon Apr 11 23:18:09 2016 No.7912782

>>7912774
Both sorely lacking in Western SFF. Take The Fifth Season, for example. Depressing story, men are animals that beat their children and don't like diversity, we go to earthquake Hogwarts with this diverse cast that somehow all speak like N.K. Jemisin, and there's a bad end and a lot of people die. Depressing, a little boring. No way to bring up the atmosphere. What if she gave us a break halfway through and had a hot springs chapter? Just fun, a little girl-on-girl breast fondling, maybe some clever gender-inverted quest to peep over the dividing wall. Then the audience collectively chugs a bottle of milk and goes back to the nitty-gritty.

See how it's done? And you can put it in without guilt because it wasn't invented by a white male.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 23:33:10 2016 No.7912829 File: 164 KB, 854x480, kontail.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7912747 Fluffy tails.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 00:09:42 2016 No.7912953 Is your body ready for The Great Ordeal? It's less than three months away. What are your expectations? Will Anasûrimbor fucking shits ever be removed? Will Sorweel uncuck himself?

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 00:12:34 2016 No.7912965
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>>7912953
>What are your expectations?
Achamian busting his back and another nut
Esme going full JUST
Kelmomoas being a fucking LAD
>Will Anasûrimbor fucking shits ever be removed?
Never
>Will Sorweel uncuck himself?
Ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 00:24:56 2016 No.7912998 >>7912782 There was totally that time that two middleaged guys rubbed each others dicks together and that time she saw the tranny's dick I liked the fifth season

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 01:52:35 2016 No.7913257 File: 34 KB, 205x350, Snowcrash.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I finally got around to reading this. I rather enjoyed it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 02:49:05 2016 No.7913397 >>7899457 Are you still around? Would really love to read that short story collection

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 06:42:44 2016 No.7913871 I enjoyed a book by Tom Holt under his pseudonym 'KJ Parker', called 'The Hammer'. I was wondering if there are other fantasy books in that nature? ie Less about some mythical world-building and lore, and more about the characters or the plot line

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 07:10:29 2016 No.7913907
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>>7912953
>Is your body ready for The Great Ordeal?
Body will never be ready. Bakker himself said that it's the climax.

>What are your expectations?
Cnaiur returns and rapes every named male character.

>Will Anasûrimbor fucking shits ever be removed?
They will end up removing themselves because they're all so fucking crazy.

>Will Sorweel uncuck himself?
You can't uncuck yourself. You can only go deeper into the cuck hole.

Oh by the way, the first chapter of The Great Ordeal is available online:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=q1jr5oc0rursien6o23u56oua3&topic=797.0

As well as a short story about the Consult:
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/stories/the-false-sun/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 07:21:03 2016 No.7913924 >>7913257 I read Snow Crash when I was younger and really loved it. I'd like to read more books like it, specifically sci-fi books with campy over-the-top futuristic adventures and lots of cheesy humour. Anyone got any suggestions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 10:07:20 2016 No.7914233 >>7913871 Try all of KJ Parker's other books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 10:29:53 2016 No.7914291 >>7913924 >specifically sci-fi books with campy over-the-top futuristic adventures and lots of cheesy humour

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 10:31:42 2016 No.7914295 File: 27 KB, 241x346, The_Adventures_of_the_Stainless_Steel_Rat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7914291 Er..... :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 10:41:48 2016 No.7914320 >>7913907 Kayutas is like the least crazy of all the Anasurimbors But he'll probably die first because of it, he's too competent

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 11:01:28 2016 No.7914369 Anyone read Lems Memoirs Found in a Bathtub? Did anyone else consider it as (deliberately, I'm sure) painful to read through as I did?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 11:32:32 2016 No.7914465 >>7914320 All Anasûrimbors must be removed Dunyain genocide best day of my life

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 11:37:15 2016 No.7914491 >>7914465 Plot twist: Kellhus killed the Dunyain shortly after he became emperor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 11:39:34 2016 No.7914499 >>7912765 >SoL The sun?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 11:48:13 2016 No.7914545 >>7914499 >he doesn't know about the patrician genre

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 11:54:21 2016 No.7914561 >>7914465 Akka go back to sleep

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 12:18:19 2016 No.7914644

Why is science fiction and fantasy so sexist?
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2015/08/i-read-100-best-fantasy-and-sci-fi-novels-and-they-were-shockingly-offensive
>There were also books that were outright misogynistic, like a A Spell for Chameleon where characters openly talk about not trusting women: “'Women are the curse of mankind,' Crombie said vehemently. 'They trap men into marriage, the way this tangle tree traps prey, and they torment them the rest of their lives.'”
>After reading quite a few books in a row where rape or attempted rape was used solely to add an element of danger, the only conclusion you could have was that it was bad and lazy writing.
>It was the repeated emphasis of the relative powerlessness of women, their status of objects or things to be won, that almost makes me want to write off the whole genre as a lost cause.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 12:35:58 2016 No.7914676 >>7914644 >After reading quite a few books in a row where rape or attempted rape was used solely to add an element of danger >Implying there needs to be any other reason

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 12:58:56 2016 No.7914731 >>7914676 Without trying to make excuses for the pathetic original article it is a hallmark of genre garbage if you just introduce arbitrary dangers to fight off.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:06:09 2016 No.7914754

>>7914644
Because Gene Wolfe
Man he likes his strange connection between water, women and rape. There's the baptism somewhere in there just like the Eucharist is in eating of human flesh.
>>7912424
>What is your favorite action scene in genre fiction
I honestly don't remember that at all or even care. I guess Severian and Alzabo? But that wasn't really about the action.
>Is the worst of SFF as bad as light novels?
Yes
>Best SFF waifu again
Dorcas

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:09:40 2016 No.7914768 >>7914754 Agia or Valeria t b h

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:14:35 2016 No.7914785 >>7914644 This makes it sound like scifi and fantasy are more realistic than any other genres

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:16:23 2016 No.7914793 >>7914768 Dorcas looks like she's 15, I have a fetish for girls who look young and innocent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:16:34 2016 No.7914794 >>7912424 >What is your favorite action scene in genre fiction? Ninefingers fighting The Feared in the circle >Is the worst of SFF as bad as light novels? Probably >Best SFF waifu again Diziet Sma

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:18:25 2016 No.7914805 >>7914794 >Ninefingers fighting The Feared in the circle As much as I hate that faggot and generally dislike First Law, that was a good scene

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 13:42:08 2016 No.7914871 >>7912424 >Is the worst of SFF as bad as light novels? t. guy who has never read a LN

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:15:11 2016 No.7914957 >>7912747 Lighthearted, drama free plots. Say a novel about cute terraformers doing cute things, nobody gets jealous and stabs anyone, there is no oppressive government breathing down their necks, just iyashikei about slowly turning a dead rock green.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:17:46 2016 No.7914967 File: 468 KB, 1569x897, flash gordon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7912500 Sort of.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:18:00 2016 No.7914968 >>7912747 Why are we pretending the average sci-fi isnt on the same tier as anime?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:18:24 2016 No.7914970 >>7914957 sounds pretty nice desu

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:21:20 2016 No.7914975
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>when Pritcher and Channis finally get to Second Foundation-occupied space
>mfw I'm a psychologist
Man this is going to blow me away, isn't it? I'm really loving this thus far.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:22:46 2016 No.7914982 >>7914968 because >>7912440

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:27:30 2016 No.7914996 >>7914982 Am I really supposed to take that pathetic strawman seriously?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:28:35 2016 No.7915000 >>7914996 >Am I supposed to take posts on 4chan seriously? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:29:13 2016 No.7915004 >>7912424 >Is the worst of SFF as bad as light novels? That question doesn't even make sense when there are plenty of SFF LNs. Not that someone who can't read japanese would even be able to judge this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:34:51 2016 No.7915016 Discuss https://www.humblebundle.com/books/wordfire-press-science-fiction

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:34:54 2016 No.7915017 >>7915004 But they're more /jp/ than /lit/. Technically you are correct though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:37:08 2016 No.7915022 >>7915016 >Literally who

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:40:03 2016 No.7915029 >>7915016 It was at that moment when they realized torrents exist

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:46:45 2016 No.7915049 >>7915029 They give you the option to get their stuff through torrents. Charities don't operate under the same economic assumptions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 14:48:33 2016 No.7915059 What are your favorite SFF novels to come out of the 21st century so far?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:01:01 2016 No.7915095 >>7915059 Anathem, for one. It was absolutely delightful. Then Blindsight for the complete opposite.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:05:09 2016 No.7915111 >>7915049 Whenever I buy humble bundle I specifically don't give money to charity, it feels morality wrong pretending to be a good person while giving money to jews who use it to force their globalist agenda on the world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:06:10 2016 No.7915114 >>7915059 Only one which I'm reading now was any good, The Golden Age. It actually has themes and isn't retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:10:50 2016 No.7915128 Is it 'better' to read the Foundation prequel before the trilogy, or is it self-contained?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:16:30 2016 No.7915147 >>7915111 I also do this. My penny is getting split between the game designers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 15:17:30 2016 No.7915151 >>7915128 It's self-contained. Seldon in the trilogy isn't a character as much as a force of nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:19:00 2016 No.7915366 >>7914785 Only if by realistic you mean unacceptable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 16:47:36 2016 No.7915491 >>7915016 I'm not sure about this bundle. I bought pump six and other stories a while ago and one of the story collections involved a kid rambling about an AI in his pocket. It was so non-engaging that I fell asleep with my laptop on my face.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:22:50 2016 No.7915615 >>7915366 Nah by realistic I mean as close to reality as possible

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:27:56 2016 No.7915633 Anyone else had trouble immersing themselves at times? I'm 35~ pages into Dying Earth and while it is kind of cool I guess I'm not really excited about it or in "really want to keep reading" mode. And not just it, but other stuff lately too.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:34:28 2016 No.7915651 >>7912424 nah

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:34:36 2016 No.7915652 >>7915059 The Way of Kings for fantasy and Ancillary Justice for science fiction.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:35:54 2016 No.7915658

>>7912424
>>What is your favorite action scene in genre fiction?
The Maze scene in City at the End was pretty cool. As confusing as it was presented, I could enjoy the travelogue of a hellverse.
>>Is the worst of SFF as bad as light novels?
Yes. And no.

There's confusing shit in Light Novels like a client actually being the monster but actually they have no gender and shit like melodramatic tea battles through space or girls with chronic solipsism.

Why did I watch Tytania?
>>Best SFF waifu again
Haven't found one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:48:18 2016 No.7915705 Before anyone posts it, Wheel of Time is irredeemible garbage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:49:05 2016 No.7915707 >>7915705 I know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:55:33 2016 No.7915737 >>7912424 Why isn't Brandon Sanderson novels in the lists?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:56:47 2016 No.7915744 >>7915737 Because he shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:57:01 2016 No.7915746 >>7915737 He is though. Open your eyes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:57:11 2016 No.7915747 Is the fantasy flow chart a joke? Or does /lit/ seriously think those are good recs for somebody new to fantasy? The reason I'm confused is cause there's like 2 or 3 actual entry level books mixed in with the other shit only a hipster would recommend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:58:05 2016 No.7915753 >>7915744 Just because my novels don't cater to your very specific interests does not make them shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:59:06 2016 No.7915760 >>7915753 His novels, rather.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 17:59:25 2016 No.7915762 >>7915753 I know. They are shit because of many other things such as trash prose, pedestrian characterisation, autistic focus on trivial mechanisms and so on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:00:11 2016 No.7915766 >>7915747 I thought that one was made by Reddit. Dunno why it's linked there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:01:06 2016 No.7915769 >>7915747 The majority of it is entry level stuff, what are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:02:53 2016 No.7915777 >>7915769 If you think that then you are a certified hipster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:04:42 2016 No.7915786 >>7915777 >LeGuin >Gaiman >Prachett >Dune >Red Rising >Mistborn >Sabriel And you're a certified braindead retard, congrats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:06:07 2016 No.7915791 >>7915747 Any list that has Sanderson for sword and sorcery and not Moorcock or Leiber is a joke.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:06:54 2016 No.7915794 >>7915786 I'm 90% sure I"m being trolled right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:08:59 2016 No.7915802 >>7915794 Funny, I'm 100% sure you're handicapped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:10:08 2016 No.7915805 >>7915766 On closer inspect you're actually right, a redditor signed his name in the lower lefthand corner. But given posts like >>7915786 >>7915802 I think /lit/ is pretty infested with this type of redditor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:13:41 2016 No.7915821 >>7915805 >>7915777 Are you pretending to have brain problems or do you not know what the words "hipster" and "entry level" mean? Seriously, hang yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:15:09 2016 No.7915828 >>7915821 Entry level means books accessible to people who've never read fantasy before, stuff that's easy to get into and well known. Hardly anything in the flowchart qualifies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:16:23 2016 No.7915832 >>7915652 nice bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:16:50 2016 No.7915836 >>7915828 There's multiple EXTREMELY popular authors on it with as entry level as possible books. You haven't read any of them, why do you make garbage posts?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:22:23 2016 No.7915860 I have a hard time picturing the battles in Deadhouse Gates. Coltaine's later battles are a bit chaotic. I don't really know if this is the kind of fantasy for me or if it's because I barely read + only read before bedtime.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:22:29 2016 No.7915862 >>7915836 >There's multiple EXTREMELY popular authors on it There's only two authors on it that even come close to approaching mainstream exposure, that's how hipster-ish it is. The fact you're defending this shows how far up your own ass your head is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:23:41 2016 No.7915867 File: 50 KB, 625x626, 1438367160952.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7915862 You got me to respond a couple of times 4/10.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:24:16 2016 No.7915870 >>7915862 How about instead of talking bollocks you offer up what you consider 'entry level' fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:26:35 2016 No.7915882 >>7915862 Well breaking news guys, books with 50.000+ votes on goodreads are obscure as fuck according to this genius.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:27:05 2016 No.7915884 >>7915059 malazan shit richard morgan anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:27:15 2016 No.7915885 >>7915867 Yeah bro, Erikson, Pierce, Mirlees, Jemisin, Wynn Jones, Wecker, Flewelling, Mieville are all household names. Their works stand as the best way to introduce anyone to fantasy, obviously, because I'm a huge hipster.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:27:23 2016 No.7915887

>>7915828
You don't need to read fantasy before to read it. You could jump straight into Wolfe and it would be a great starting point because it would show you how great it can be. Same for Peake or Dunsay or Tolkien. It isn't philosophy where you absolutely must start with Plato.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:28:54 2016 No.7915894 File: 149 KB, 625x626, 1447524962344.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7915885 (You) seem to be hungry for replies eh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:29:02 2016 No.7915896 >>7915885 When you go to fantasy section in a bookshop you see a few of those on bestseller shelf. You can't miss them. They are garbage, but extremely popular garbage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:30:25 2016 No.7915902 >>7915860 For me Deadhouse Gates was the hardest of the series to get through.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:32:56 2016 No.7915909

>>7915870
Based on my experiences of getting people into fantasy:
>GRRM (80% success)
>Rothfus (very binary, new readers are either sucked in or hate him)
>Mark Lawrence (100% success, every recommendation I've made of his books has resulted in people reading them and moving on to other fantasy)
>Tad Williams (limited success)

These are pretty much the only authors I've managed to get non-fantasy readers into fantasy with. I've also tried Feist, Tolkien, Jordan, Miller, Canavan, Lewis, Erikson, Cook, Terry Brooks, and Sanderson to no effect. I did get my brother to read Neil Gaiman but he likes comics so it wasn't much of a stretch to get him into fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:35:52 2016 No.7915919 >>7915909 You're the single dumbest person I have seen in years. Like, I have no words for this stupidity. Literally sub 50 IQ kind of retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:36:19 2016 No.7915920 >>7915919 Sick argument bro. You've convinced me I'm wrong with your hot opinion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:36:29 2016 No.7915921 >>7915794 >>7915786 I genuinely don't understand what's going on here. Those are all really accepted and well liked entry level SF/F authors. I can't tell if you're mad because they're too obvious or because they're too obscure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:37:22 2016 No.7915928 >>7915921 >Those are all really accepted and well liked entry level SF/F authors They're accepted and well liked by people who already like fantasy. They're not entry level because nobody outside fantasy readers would ever pick them up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:37:57 2016 No.7915930 >>7915928 100% false, a lot of people start with them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:39:38 2016 No.7915937 >>7915920 No "argument" can cure your extreme stubborn stupidity. Like, you have legit brain damage. Get checked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:39:55 2016 No.7915938 >>7915930 People who start with those already have a predisposition to like fantasy. You've obviously never dealt with people who have prejudices against fantasy and have gone all their lives without reading it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:41:22 2016 No.7915942 >>7915937 Man you really took it personally huh? Don't feel bad about being so out of touch, it's easy to lose perspective when you get in too deep to your hobby.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:41:32 2016 No.7915943 >>7915938 Also a false statement. It's an objective fact that a gigantic amount of people start with Tolkien, Sanderson and the like. They're popular for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:42:09 2016 No.7915947 >>7915909 Yeah I'm not taking issue with any of those as entry level desu. That's exactly what they are.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:42:31 2016 No.7915951

>>7915909
So instead of offering quality titles you feed trash to plebs. Ok bro.
>>7915928
That's not true. Fantasy isn't some super secret club you need to be introduced in. I started with Tolkien and Lewis as a kid and got into it with Wolfe later on.
None of those are some obscure authors, they are found just about everywhere and if you google best fantasy they will be on the list. Obscure fantasy would be Peake and Dunsay nowadays for example, maybe Wolfe, but he's being shilled by a wide range of writers these days and is getting coverage in New Yorker, First Things and a few others. He even has podcasts.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:42:46 2016 No.7915952

>>7915943
>it's an objective fact that a gigantic amount of people start with Tolkien
I started with Tolkien cause I'd been obsessed with dragons and magic since I was a toddler. Somebody who spent most of their childhood playing sports and watching reality TV would fall asleep trying to read Tolkien. Even people whose hobbies were reading would have trouble getting into him if they read books for entirely different reasons than world building.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:46:37 2016 No.7915968 >>7915952 Another false statement. Tolkien is THE thing to get people into fantasy who weren't interested in it before. How deep can one person be stuck in their delusions?

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:47:11 2016 No.7915970

>>7915951
>So instead of offering quality titles you feed trash to plebs
I see you completely misunderstand the point of a flowchart for novices.

>Fantasy isn't some super secret club you need to be introduced in
I think you're not understanding my point here. Fantasy is niche, not everybody likes it. Even other people who read a lot often don't like fantasy. Both my parents were avid readers, neither one could stand fantasy. In order to get people in to fantasy who have no interest or active prejudices against it, it needs to be accessible in ways traditional fantasy isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:47:40 2016 No.7915971 >>7915952 >fell for the Tolkien is all worldbuilding meme read his poetry and reread Lord of the Rings.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:50:06 2016 No.7915979

>>7915968
>Tolkien is THE thing to get people into fantasy who weren't interested in it before
This is so utterly divorced from reality I can tell you've never, ever held a conversation with a person who hates fantasy before. For people who don't like fantasy or have no interest, Tolkien is THE reason they hold up to not read it.

>>7915971
When I was 10 years old, I read Tolkien for Middle Earth. I didn't gain an appreciation for language til I was a lot older.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:51:28 2016 No.7915983 >>7915928 Most people start with Tolkein or JK Rowling. Should those be the only two authors on any chart??

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:52:01 2016 No.7915986 >>7915983 >Most people start with Tolkein People who start with Tolkien already have an interest in fantasy. They don't need a fucking chart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:52:21 2016 No.7915988 >>7915979 Wrong. >>7915986 False. You're deluded.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:54:35 2016 No.7916000

>>7915952
Tolkien was read, although not understood, by everyone and their mother. With the movies that came out recently the awful cover hobbit could have been seen as often as Martin during the 2nd season of the show.
>>7915970
I don't misunderstand the point of a flowchart as a flowchart is there to help you find good books. If you want to get people who are 'avid readers' into fantasy and knowing they don't like it you give them Borges and Tolkien with Children of Hurin. And here I'm assuming avid reader doesn't mean person who consumes trash on a massive scale.
The way to reject people from fantasy is exactly giving them the shit like Rothfuss because all the expectations about it being for children and people of low intelligence are in that way confirmed.
>>7915979
>This is so utterly divorced from reality I can tell you've never, ever held a conversation with a person who hates fantasy before.
I did, I call him dad. He used to hate the very idea of it until I told him about the depth of certain works such as Children of Hurin or Book of the New Sun.
Fantasy is also now so popular in mass media via movies that I find it hard to believe there are people who just absolutely refused to ever read it and need you to hold their hand while taking them through a river of shit until they become enlightenment enough to read Tolkien.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 18:59:13 2016 No.7916021

>recommending tolkien to a normalfag

you guys are divorced from reality, but then again we are on 4chan

>/g/: "INSTALL GENTOO"
>/fit/: "STARTING STRENGTH"
>/v/: "NETHACK"
>/tv/: "TARKOVSKY"
>/ck/: "YOU NEED TO GROW YOUR OWN AVOCADOS"
>/fa/: "TAILOR EVERYTHING"

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:00:23 2016 No.7916024

>>7916000
>Tolkien was read, although not understood, by everyone and their mother.
Man I wish I could grow up where you did. Being the only child reading Tolkien in an entire town was hard.

>the point of a flowchart as a flowchart is there to help you find good books
A flowchart titled "welcome to fantasy" is aimed at people who don't read fantasy and want to start. As such it should have entry level titles, stuff that's accessible to people outside the core fantasy audience. I
>If you want to get people who are 'avid readers' into fantasy and knowing they don't like it you give them Borges and Tolkien with Children of Hurin.
If you want to convince them to never read fantasy again, sure.
>The way to reject people from fantasy is exactly giving them the shit like Rothfuss because all the expectations about it being for children and people of low intelligence are in that way confirmed
This implies that you think you're mature and intelligent for reading fantasy, in which case you're not the sort of person who should be recommending entry level titles because your head is way, way up your ass.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:02:01 2016 No.7916034

>>7916000
>I told him about the depth of certain works such as Children of Hurin or Book of the New Sun
If that convinced him he's likely as pretentious as you are. Most people read for entertainment, not to feel more intelligent. And no, for most people the two are not one and the same. The fact you simultaneously insist something is "entry level" while badmouthing popular pulpy novels as beneath you shows you're not really in any position to be recommending people novels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:02:10 2016 No.7916035 >>7916024 >your head is way, way up your ass we're on /lit/ it's a given that everyone here has their head up their ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:02:21 2016 No.7916036 >>7916000 The real funny thing here is not only does he reject good popular works, he also calls Sanderson hipster/obscure and not entry level. SANDERSON HIPSTER Let that sink in for a moment and realize what kind of person you're arguing with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:03:17 2016 No.7916040 >>7916036 Sanderson is only read by fantasy readers. You would have to be living in a bubble to think he's mainstream or accessible. It's like saying Robert Jordan is an easy author for non-fantasy readers to get into.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:04:40 2016 No.7916048 File: 81 KB, 625x626, 1446757790321.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7916021 >>7916040 >>7916024

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:05:34 2016 No.7916050 >>7916040 >Sanderson is only read by fantasy readers. No shit, he writes for a specific target audience with a specific genre, if you read one of his books you know what to expect from his other books, though they can be very different.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:07:18 2016 No.7916057 >>7916040 Sanderson is the very definition of entry level accessible for even the dumbest normalfags. Seriously, kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:07:25 2016 No.7916058 Game of Thrones is the only Fantasy book that non-fantasy fans read, except for shitty YA Hunger Games rip offs.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:07:53 2016 No.7916060

>>7916050
And that's not the sort of author you recommend to somebody with no previous interest in fantasy, especially not to somebody with prejudices against the genre. I'd recommend Sanderson to somebody I know likes fantasy stories and settings, stuff with 2 dimensional characters and railroad plots with lots of exposition. Those things I just mentioned are major turnoffs for many people new to fantasy, it's why I don't recommend authors like Sanderson or Jordan or Feist to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:08:54 2016 No.7916067 >>7916057 How many of these "dumb normalfags" have you managed to get interested in fantasy by recommending Sanderson? How many actually finished one of his novels? I'm guessing zero and zero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:10:00 2016 No.7916070 >>7916060 I see, that makes sense.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:10:03 2016 No.7916071

>>7916058
Harry Potter is technically fantasy as well. But yeah, Game of Thrones is one of the very few fantasy books a non-fantasy reader will pick up of their own volition. I don't even bother recommending it now because chances are they've already tried it or else know it exists and what it's about so there's no point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:11:42 2016 No.7916079 >>7916067 1,436,912, according to my goodreads ratings. :P https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/38550.Brandon_Sanderson

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:13:43 2016 No.7916086 >>7916021 >>/v/: "NETHACK" you''ve never been to /v/

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:15:23 2016 No.7916091

>>7916036
I'm aware he is a retard.
>>7916024
>Man I wish I could grow up where you did. Being the only child reading Tolkien in an entire town was hard.
What illiterate town did you grow up in? Somewhere in Iran? Because getting kids to read the books which were just adapted into the best movie they had ever seen that everyone was talking about sure was difficult.
>A flowchart titled "welcome to fantasy" is aimed at people who don't read fantasy and want to start.
Hence Borges and Tolkien, not drooling shit like Rothfuss.
>As such it should have entry level titles, stuff that's accessible to people outside the core fantasy audience.
You mean like Borges?
>If you want to convince them to never read fantasy again, sure.
What kind of an illiterate person are you trying to convince to read then? The never read a book type of person? The American patriot war fiction fan? The I only read history type of person? Or someone interested in literature? Or are you 16?
>This implies that you think you're mature and intelligent for reading fantasy
I don't, but there is mature fantasy to read, thankfully plenty of it.
>in which case you're not the sort of person who should be recommending entry level titles because your head is way, way up your ass.
This is a literature board for people interested in literature, not mostly drooling retards who can't concentrate for longer than 15 minutes on something which isn't porn. While my head is up my ass there is nothing wrong with what I've said. This is a general for people here, not the masses of soccer moms you want to help get into fantasy.
>>7916034
>If that convinced him he's likely as pretentious as you are. Most people read for entertainment, not to feel more intelligent.
Most people aren't interested in literature and this is a literature board for people who read literature.
>And no, for most people the two are not one and the same. The fact you simultaneously insist something is "entry level" while badmouthing popular pulpy novels as beneath you shows you're not really in any position to be recommending people novels.
You see entry level is something easy to get into which will help you find other stuff like it. And assuming you aren't retarded, Borges and Tolkien are a great way to start. Widely read, accessible while also being really solid writers. There's also a great number of pulpy novels that aren't awful, which you could recommend such as Elric of Melbourne, Lankhmar, Conan and Amber Chronicle. None of those is hard to read, is pulpy as fuck and still retains a dose of quality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:16:52 2016 No.7916094 >>7915896 >Wynne Jones >Garbage Say what you want about the rest but don't talk smack about my main woman yo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:18:31 2016 No.7916104 >pretending reading books in itself is some specialized task worthy of self--aggrandizement your first mistake desu senpai

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:22:33 2016 No.7916114 >>7916091 >YOU FILTHY UNWASHED PLEBS HOW DARE YOU DEFILE MY BOARD

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:26:15 2016 No.7916125

>>7916114
Absolutely. It's the pretentious up his own ass posts like that which keep the plebs at bay.
This would otherwise be a goodreads 2.0 or something similar. And like this it's a unique place because really where else would you discuss literature.
Irl, yeah, but I moved so I see my literature buddies only 1-2 times a month and we always read different stuff aside the Greeks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:56:45 2016 No.7916228 >not just recommending Bakker to newfriends Gotta give them the trial by fire

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 19:58:19 2016 No.7916233 >>7916228 >all these Bakkerfags coming out of the woodwork I am pleased.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 20:15:29 2016 No.7916303 File: 50 KB, 316x537, The_Sleeping_Dragon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soooo..... Is it safe yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:03:08 2016 No.7916478 >>7914768 Triskele is the most faithful waifu. Un zoophiliste! The dog was good enough for ymar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:05:48 2016 No.7916483 >>7916021 Something wrong with Tarkovsky you pleb?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:26:47 2016 No.7916554 >>7916303 I've heard good things about that one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:27:51 2016 No.7916558 >>7916478 >implying Triskele was faithful enough to stay with Severian after death The best you can get without resurrection/soul transfer is third place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:31:03 2016 No.7916566 >>7916554 Admittedly I cringed when I realized it was a "Roleplayers suddenly sucked into game world" story, but it wasn't half bad.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:37:38 2016 No.7916588

>>7916566
The self-contained secondary world thing is actually pretty new. LotR even has a sort of conceit that it's a legend of ancient Europe. I think the first fantasy novel to really just have a different world with different rules might have been Earthsea. Before that you usually had an explorer finding a lost valley with hyperboreans in it or at least an archaeologist having a weird conversation with a gypsy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:41:23 2016 No.7916603 File: 340 KB, 400x363, Webjack.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you realize your writing is literally you compensating for your lack of drawing ability Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:43:18 2016 No.7916611 >>7916603 >Lack of drawing ability and inability to do film

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:44:54 2016 No.7916619 >>7916611 Yep. Nailed it. My god, why do I even try any more? It feels like I write movies, not prose. I don't think that's fair to the actual writers. All I want, is for someone to read something I wrote and enjoy it. It could be one person

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 21:58:54 2016 No.7916668 >>7916619 What's your problem? Do you find yourself writing lists of actions taken that don't flow well when read?

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:02:50 2016 No.7916681

>>7916668
I just think I'm doing more scene writing instead of...actual writing. I feel like every action, every little quip or set piece needs a little notice and explanation, almost like I'm setting up the shot for a movie. It just bothers me, it's like I'm writing scenes.

I think movies can be fun to analyze, and I think they can help you write, but I think I'm just compensating for my lack of filmmaking or drawing talent by writing things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:05:09 2016 No.7916692 >>7916681 You've read written scenes that flow like movies. There's a way to encode the visual information from your imagination in a way readers can pick up on. Try reading Self-Editing for Fiction Writers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:12:30 2016 No.7916719 >>7916692 Thank you for the recommendation. I will.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:19:40 2016 No.7916757 File: 184 KB, 701x1000, proposal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does /sffg/ have waifus?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:23:21 2016 No.7916765 >>7916757 nothing quite as romantic as proposing to the prostitute you just pulled anal beads out of

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:29:07 2016 No.7916785 >>7916681 There are times where it's better to let the reader IMAGINE things for themselves, not what they read, but what they think is there

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:34:00 2016 No.7916801 >>7916757 >Sike. Now you're deflowered, 30, AND single Animes are for bullying.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:36:16 2016 No.7916812

>>7916757
Dudes, I've fucked HUNDREDS of anime girls, this isn't "my" first time, this is just another anime girl staining my cum rag among hundreds of others, so what if she offers "me" her virginity I've conquered like 100 other virgins. Anyway, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:37:57 2016 No.7916815 >>7916757 Arkady Darell is moe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:38:57 2016 No.7916817 >>7912521 Lensman, but it's very old school and maybe not as Conanesque as you'd want. Try The Demon Princes by Jack Vance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:42:58 2016 No.7916830 File: 49 KB, 636x358, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7912778 Also Bayta best SF waifu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:43:28 2016 No.7916833 File: 43 KB, 480x480, DogScrunchCage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7916801 >sike

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:46:07 2016 No.7916840 >>7916833 That's a pretty common way to spell it (or misspell it). I'll bastardize slang as much as I want. Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:46:33 2016 No.7916843 >>7915059 Anathem, Blindsight, The Golden Age

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:56:12 2016 No.7916870 >>7916843 Golden Age trilogy was really, really good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:57:21 2016 No.7916871 >>7916843 Anathem, Blindsight, Spin.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:57:33 2016 No.7916873
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Just finished this, it's completely nuts in a good way. The author definitely bit off more than he could chew and I rolled my eyes a few times but damn. References everything from Skylark of Space to anime . I'd recommend giving the series a try if you liked Golden Age.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 22:58:35 2016 No.7916875 >>7916871 Never heard of Spin. What's so great about it?

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:01:48 2016 No.7916882

>>7916873
The part where the alien explains how supernovas and stellar formation are part of galactic industry we're just too small to notice was my favorite.

What anime reference? The fox queen? Wright definitely had ten yellowed paperbacks full of material in there, this format doesn't suit him at all, but his visuals are absolutely on point. The Swan on the ship meditating on a lilypad with a third eye is one of my favorite SF images.

>>7916875
It feels like living a hard life and making it through your trials. Also, we terraform Mars with modern tech.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:02:02 2016 No.7916883
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I don't get anything out of these charts. I need some recommendations.

I mostly read serious books growing up, but I've been sick the last year and started reading fantasy and sci-fi as a supreme distraction.

Shit I enjoyed:

>Malazan (favorite so far)
>Wheel of Time
>Hyperion
>Discworld
>Earthsea
>Dresden Files
>Gentleman Bastard Sequence
>His Dark Materials
>Neuromancer
>The Stars My Destination

Shit I didn't enjoy:

>Anything by Brandon Sanderson
>Foundation
>Lord of the Rings
>Prince of Nothing
>MYTH
>Thomas Covenant
>Live Ship Traders
>The First Law (least favorite so far)

There are a few others that fall in between. The Black Company for example I enjoyed the story and characters but hated the author. Made it through 6 and a half books before I dropped it. Every time it got good or you started to like the narrator he changed them up. Pissed me off.

I also don't (precisely) mind reading awful series like Codex Alera if they're compelling.

I read quickly and for long periods of time, so I prefer very long series if possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:05:38 2016 No.7916893 >>7916875 It's a great story, and well-written. It reminds me of Anathem in some ways, but way more accessible to the general public. Good intro-to-SF book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:07:54 2016 No.7916899 >>7916883 Richard Morgan.

Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:10:05 2016 No.7916903

>>7916875
Spin is Robert Charles Wilson's Hugo Award-winning masterpiece―a stunning combination of a galactic "what if" and a small-scale, very human story.

One night in October when he was ten years old, Tyler Dupree stood in his back yard and watched the stars go out. They all flared into brilliance at once, then disappeared, replaced by a flat, empty black barrier. He and his best friends, Jason and Diane Lawton, had seen what became known as the Big Blackout. It would shape their lives.

The effect is worldwide. The sun is now a featureless disk―a heat source, rather than an astronomical object. The moon is gone, but tides remain. Not only have the world's artificial satellites fallen out of orbit, their recovered remains are pitted and aged, as though they'd been in space far longer than their known lifespans. As Tyler, Jason, and Diane grow up, a space probe reveals a bizarre truth: The barrier is artificial, generated by huge alien artifacts. Time is passing faster outside the barrier than inside―more than a hundred million years per year on Earth. At this rate, the death throes of the sun are only about forty years in our future.

Jason, now a promising young scientist, devotes his life to working against this slow-moving apocalypse. Diane throws herself into hedonism, marrying a sinister cult leader who's forged a new religion out of the fears of the masses.... ( and so on - don't want to spoil too much)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:11:09 2016 No.7916906 >>7916899 Both series?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:12:40 2016 No.7916911 >>7916906 Yeah but I'd start with the Takeshi Kovacs trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:17:01 2016 No.7916921 >>7916911 I can't find the last book in Land for Heroes, Dark Defiles anywhere. Has it been purged from the internet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:20:55 2016 No.7916934 >>7916921 There's an all in one for Land for Heroes on KAT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:29:28 2016 No.7916963 >>7916883 Could give China Mieville a go. The Bas-Lag trio maybe to start.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:38:50 2016 No.7916993 >>7916817 >>7912521 Planet of Adventure/Tschai by Vance as well, though it is also confined to one planet

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:52:47 2016 No.7917042 >>7916963 >>7916934 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:54:29 2016 No.7917049 >>7915832 Not bait, I legitimately have shit taste. Besides, even most of the general likes Stormlight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 12 23:56:18 2016 No.7917058 >>7917049 Not saying either are awful or anything but best of the millennium so far?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 00:26:27 2016 No.7917182 >>7915705 I enjoyed it immensely, and thought Lord of the Rings was boring as shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:22:16 2016 No.7917526 Any recommendations? No hipster shit like Sanderson please? Maybe something like anime instead?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:22:22 2016 No.7917527 >>7916603 Yeah, well I personally like to draw fanart and write fanfic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:25:43 2016 No.7917539 >>7916603 >tfw inability to do both Writing I can still learn but I always have shaking hands so I can never make clean drawings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:27:12 2016 No.7917544 File: 36 KB, 291x475, Dragons_Blood.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7917526 This is like anime?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:28:06 2016 No.7917547 File: 109 KB, 1024x569, 1407556316774.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7917526 >No hipster shit like Sanderson please?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:29:04 2016 No.7917551 >>7917544 Dragon cockfighting in a stadium. I'd say anime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:34:04 2016 No.7917558 >>7917182 They're not the same kind of literature so it figures.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:35:26 2016 No.7917561

>>7917544
I hadn't thought of it, but yeah.
>Protagonist learning to be hotblooded
>Cute girl competes with then befriends him
>Fighting against an oppressive system
>Gets really weird in the third part
Perfect match.

>>7917539
Shaky art was popular in the 70s. Maybe it'll come back.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 02:37:06 2016 No.7917566

>>7917526
>No hipster shit like Sanderson please?
Ironically Sanderson is the most like animu, but you can read the Coldfire Trilogy to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu-u6I2a968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0XBe1oZt6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK4nggli_0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu-u6I2a968

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 03:34:11 2016 No.7917644 >>7917566 >Owari No Seraph tfw no vampire bff

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 03:36:57 2016 No.7917649 File: 38 KB, 663x579, 1459818500786.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7917526 Sanderson is the most anime writer in fantasy that is also read by normalfags all over the world.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 03:50:16 2016 No.7917673
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>>7917644
Well scaPEGoat is quite appropriate to the book, all things considered.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 04:12:51 2016 No.7917713

>>7917058
I've barely read any sci-fi written after the 80s.

And I legitimately think Way of Kings is the best fantasy book written this millenium. It's miles ahead of Sanderson's other work. Feel free to recommend me some better ones, but I've read most of the commonly recommended ones here, except for Prince of Nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 04:15:30 2016 No.7917716 File: 196 KB, 1280x720, Accelerator_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7917649 Not all the time. But the Reckoners has its moments. >Prof has forcefields >excuse to make him almost Accelerator tier

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 05:35:32 2016 No.7917839 >>7916883 Going by your tastes I would recommend the Shadows of the Apt series by Adrian Tchaikovsky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 07:03:44 2016 No.7917988 File: 11 KB, 192x293, cityofblades.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone read this yet, how's it stack up against the 1st?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 07:56:05 2016 No.7918091 File: 14 KB, 200x162, 1460149816160.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7916040

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:04:42 2016 No.7918213 File: 140 KB, 1280x720, original.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7917716 >Megan revealing how her power actually works

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:10:48 2016 No.7918221

>>7916882
The Nymphs are hypersexualized Japanese women with unnaturally large eyes, yeah. I don't think it was spelled out but the Foxes are clearly upgraded Nymphs, with Japanese fashion if not appearance, although they're probably also a reference to Cordwainer Smith's animal-people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:14:06 2016 No.7918226 >>7917988 I thought it was way better. Mulaghesh is a way better protagonist (better fleshed, more damaged), the mystery was cooler, and the god was more terrifying. The ending was phenomenal. It has less Sigrud if that matters to you, but he's there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 09:50:41 2016 No.7918291 What do you think about A.A. Attanasio?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 10:37:56 2016 No.7918386 >>7916603 >inability Literally practice and you'll get better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:08:38 2016 No.7918479 >>7915633 Take a break and return rested and hungry

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:12:20 2016 No.7918494

>>7916603
>tfw you dabbled in drawing for a while and made some babby gains
>realize you just want to tell stories and can do it much faster and efficiently with words
>was already a much better writer than I was with drawing

Feels good to no longer have that silly identify crisis, i still bullshit out some meme sketches now and then but my main craft is writing forever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:15:18 2016 No.7918506 >>7918494 I think it just comes down to switching from Visual storytelling to the written word.

Get Out Wed Apr 13 11:21:03 2016 No.7918523

What the fuck happened to this general?
I've been gone for a month and come back to this?

I just read the entire thread, and realized that our bread eating, wine sipping, hat tipping brethren have thoroughly infiltrated our general.

Remember at the start there is always, ALWAYS, some fagget saying "not lit"... where did he go?

Now I see discussion of old as fuck, boring obscure books, that granpa read as a kid being recommended seriously, and being defended tooth and nail.

Did you e/lit/ist make some thread a while back and discussed how you can either:
a.)Get rid of us
OR
b.)Make us join the fold by slowly transitioning us to non fiction?

You cunts need to gtfo, we are not going to read IJ, Gravity's Rainbow, Ulysses, and the other plethora of shit you guys hold up as the pinnacle of Human Literature.

GET OUT

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:22:20 2016 No.7918530 >>7918523 Fuck off retard.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:22:34 2016 No.7918531

>>7918506
Not really, they function entirely differently when you get past the face value of "one is a picture inside your head and another is outside"

There's some things text can never do compared to a comic and vice versa. Even moreso when we start talking about advanced composition in both mediums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:33:09 2016 No.7918557 >>7918226 Thanks, will bump it up the queue.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:36:29 2016 No.7918564

>>7918523
Why did you even take the time to write this? Are you honestly so petty and angry at people disagreeing with your tastes you have to strawman them to prove your point? Boo hoo, you're angry some kids didn't like your recommendations or enjoy books you don't, now if you act like a retard in association with their opinions you can somehow discredit them and trick us all to see the world through your warped perspective, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 11:52:35 2016 No.7918612 >>7918564 Fuck off retard.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 12:04:15 2016 No.7918651
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>>7918523
Last couple of threads have been fairly comfy. We just had some sort of spergsplosion in this one. Read Cyteen and Regenesis (political scifi thrillers) to forget your worries.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:29:01 2016 No.7919690

>>7918651
>We just had some sort of spergsplosion in this one
It looks like it's slowly turning regular /lit/ .

For years they didn't want new people.
They constantly chased anyone that wasn't hivemind, and in a current society where less people are reading they should be happy that someone is picking up a book, be that book fiction.

Now in this thread, I see they are suggesting books that are dense, as entry level. It's like they don't want people to read fantasy. You suggest the easy (fun) stuff, then as the person matures as a reader they will move to denser works..... but no.

They are suggesting the things that make normalfags not want to read, as a beginners MUST.
Then they turn their noses at things that are light and fun and attention grabbing.

They are out of touch with the current societal standard. They think it's the 90's.

In a society where anime is normalfag, video game players are getting paid as if it is a sport and video games are getting courses at University. You think they would see what sells/interest people and suggest accordingly... no they suggest what THEY think you should read.

LoTR is shit, it does not transcend the generational gap well. You know who is buying toys and tickets to the movies? People 23 and older.

Harry Potter would be more entry level than LoTR.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:44:59 2016 No.7919740 >>7916963 >The Bas-Lag trio maybe to start. The third one is pigshit.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:53:02 2016 No.7919773
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>>7919690
>They are out of touch with the current societal standard. They think it's the 90's.
I don't know what that has to do with anything. Books are timeless.
>Now in this thread, I see they are suggesting books that are dense, as entry level. It's like they don't want people to read fantasy. You suggest the easy (fun) stuff, then as the person matures as a reader they will move to denser works..... but no.
Honestly, I have trouble remembering the stuff I read early on. Might be everyone on here has the same difficulty. I just dredged up a memory of pic related (I swear I'm in my 20s).

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 17:54:37 2016 No.7919779 >>7919690 Get out, retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:19:54 2016 No.7919860 I want to try some Michael Moorcock, what would you say is his best work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:21:53 2016 No.7919868 >>7919860 The nomad of the time stream trilogy. I loved his stuff as a kid and still think fondly of it but they don't stand the test of time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:24:30 2016 No.7919877 File: 124 KB, 710x900, 46719a0cf097efb0f0b96d11c0691937.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does Eriksson + Malazan Books fit into the pantheon anywhere? Im fully hooked

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:25:17 2016 No.7919883 >>7919877 What do you mean?

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:25:22 2016 No.7919884

All i know from a mix Scifi, HFY and whatnot .. is that the day shit happens like first contact, 4chan will ruin everything the moment they tap into our net and start spamming the aliens with a link to the thread :
>hey anon
>let's all write a letter for our visitors
>then spam the SHIT out of it

>"Dear ..
>SPACE NIGGER
>AND KNUCKLES
>the echidna
>ALIEN TITS OR BTFO
>nigger
>get MEMES SON
..

Then they order the orbital strike as they prepare for FTL jump asap, crying and sick for they have read 3 pages of the 1784 of the most horrid, vile and graphic senseless message that mankind have ever produced.
4chan will basically bully the aliens to the point of our own extermination.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:25:57 2016 No.7919888 >>7918523 >>7919690 If you're mad about people calling Rothfuss and Sanderson shit, they've always been hated here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:26:28 2016 No.7919890 >>7919884 Leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:28:07 2016 No.7919896 >>7919690 >anime is normalfag Nice try, you fucking loser.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:28:18 2016 No.7919898 >>7919860 Try The Eternal Champion Sequence Vol.1, it's the start of a 15 vol. continuance. That way, if you don't like his work, at least you can put it down. But if you do, then you can carry on with the sequence in order.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:31:13 2016 No.7919908

>>7919883
From what I've read his plotweaving blows others out of the water, and each character encountered is substantial in their own right (even the minor ones).
He blends magic/socery with decay and evolution which is pretty novel, and manages to make the reader feel like they are literalyy a fly on the wall to a a myth of epic proportions.
Just like him and wondered why he was absent from OP's lists

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:32:51 2016 No.7919918 >>7919908 >Just like him and wondered why he was absent from OP's lists He isn't, open your eyes. General chart -> 3rd book in Epic fantasy.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:44:50 2016 No.7919958

>>7919888
>they've always been hated here
No they weren't, it's just that people that actually like them aren't vocal.

I like Sanderson, and book one of Rothfuss, when I see others shitting on them I just read what they have to say and move onto the next post.

Why do I have to defend my likes and what-not to /lit/?

You should know the most vocal of something isn't the majority.

Also not those guys you replied to, just stating my opinions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:46:50 2016 No.7919965 >>7918523 Gravity's Rainbow and Infinite Jest are sci-fi books

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 18:46:56 2016 No.7919967 >>7919888 All of Sanderson is shit except Stormlight Archive which is one of the most entertaining fantasy to come out so far 2bh. Rothfuss is eh, I find his prose annoying to read because it feels very tryhardy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:08:19 2016 No.7920033 What about scientific fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:10:48 2016 No.7920044 So is Dying Earth worth reading? I'm like 40 pages in and while I love the prose the actual content / plot is very underwhelming and not engaging me at all. Is there gonna be a big turning point or is this how the books are gonna go?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:13:08 2016 No.7920051 >>7920044 The plot gets good in The Eyes of the Overworld.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:16:10 2016 No.7920061 >>7920044 I read the first book then dropped it. It's up to you. Too prosey for me. It's like Vance was fingering his book and it's super wet and he's about to penetrate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:18:03 2016 No.7920067 >>7920033 >I want to write sci-fi, but I don't know shit about technology so magic does everything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:23:35 2016 No.7920091 Is Malazan a good read for someone who despises D&D? I read that the author started writing the series after his D&D campaign, and for personal reasons I can't stand D&D.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:32:13 2016 No.7920127 >>7919958 I've been posting in these since the first thread. They've always been shat on because they're reddit garbage. You should try r/fantasy, friend.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 19:33:15 2016 No.7920132 >>7920067 Soft sci-fi>>>>>>designated shitting streets>>>>>>>>hard "sci-fi"

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 20:10:43 2016 No.7920273 >>7920033 Hannu Rajaniemi is essentially this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 20:56:42 2016 No.7920439 >>7920273 Do we have a "win-o-thread" like other sections do? Because there's a metric ton of books in my "must read backlog" but this backwater town of mine barely got a bookstore, and I don't have a credit card to buy shit online with

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:03:07 2016 No.7920462 >>7920439 There's a torrent for The Jean Le Flambeur Series on kickass at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:09:12 2016 No.7920485 >>7912513 Yeah okay, looks good, but is it like Dark Souls?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:12:00 2016 No.7920495 >>7920273 >>7920439 I don't think it's quite fantasy, just so virtual-reality heavy that it's frequently hard to tell where the science ends and the VR begins

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:23:44 2016 No.7920542 >>7919896 Fucking Disney has multiple anime shows in it's line up. You don't get normal than the mouse.

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:28:26 2016 No.7920562
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>>7920127
I was also here from the first thread, and I've been surviving in /lit/ years before this general became a thing.

Just like how lit "hates" Dresden Files, the same is applied to Sanderson, but wait for a week before a new release and see what happens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:33:31 2016 No.7920580 >>7920091 >show us on the doll where the campaign touched you >>7920562 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:34:15 2016 No.7920586 >>7920562 >Percy Jackson

Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:42:10 2016 No.7920611

>>7920127
I've been posting in these since the first thread too, and I've read all of Joyce, all of Wallace, and all of Pynchon. These are some of the more useful threads to get good recommendations on /lit/, and the people in them tend to be nicer and better informed on what they're talking about than the people in the Ulysses threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 21:46:24 2016 No.7920623 >>7920495 I thought even outside the virtual environments, really pushing that arthur c. clarke quote about magic and technology being indistinguishable past a certain point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:22:33 2016 No.7920717 >>7920044 Dying Earth was the literally the first book Vance ever wrote. I honestly don't think it's a good place to start with him. None of his other books are like that, aside from the good prose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:29:53 2016 No.7920741 I've been recommended The Name of the Wind? What do you think /sffg/? Should I?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:31:50 2016 No.7920752 >>7920485 I'm afraid I've never read Dark Souls.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:34:37 2016 No.7920762 >>7920741 author is a giant neckbeard faggot, protag is a big faggy mary sue, the last book will never be released because rothfuss is the new GURM

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:36:04 2016 No.7920767 >>7920762 >giant neckbeard faggot >googled Oh christ, you were not joking

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:36:40 2016 No.7920769 >>7920741 No. Read some Scott Lynch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:37:48 2016 No.7920770 Ancillary justice series for scifi. need more in that setting now

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:38:12 2016 No.7920772 >>7920762 Also, if you listen to him in interviews, he's got that unmistakable "asperger-beta-nerd" accent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:38:53 2016 No.7920775 >>7920772 >>7920767 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Ra1ecLhtI

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 22:55:01 2016 No.7920829 FUCK ROTHFUSS

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 23:12:04 2016 No.7920871 File: 1.38 MB, 579x807, Dayside Taldain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7919967 >All of Sanderson is shit Legion is cool, bruh. Interesting portrayal of schizophrenia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 13 23:41:48 2016 No.7920942 >>7920562 This. A good third of these threads is Sanderson discussion every time he releases a new novel. It just seems like the haters are far more vocal than the fans.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 00:27:37 2016 No.7921018
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So, I just got pic related from a dollar bin since it's apparently a Hugo winner and that one anon always recs C.J. Cherryh. How did I do?

Also, what's the best and worst thing /sffg/ convinced you to read?

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 01:00:36 2016 No.7921082

>>7921018
Downbelow Station establishes Cherryh's style of SF as backdrop for political intrigue. It's a good introduction to the rest of her Company Wars novels and prepares you for the more complex Cyteen/Regenesis. I would generally recommend the Chanur novels as an intro to Cherryh since they're a little more action oriented, but if you like the way Downbelow Station is written, you'll enjoy the rest of her SciFi. The only thing DS doesn't showcase is her talent for alien cultures, other than what she does for the various human factions. Good luck anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 01:49:45 2016 No.7921167 >>7919888 Lmao the claims out of fucking nowhere

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 03:30:39 2016 No.7921350 File: 43 KB, 330x319, 1459522978140.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7912534 >Ponos Chanura tfw in Russian this title sounds like "Chanur's Diarrhea"

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 03:51:13 2016 No.7921383 So I actually did the absolute madman I started The Wheel Of Time. Now my autism won't let me drop it until I have read all 14 books so... See you on the other side, /sffg/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 03:54:00 2016 No.7921388 >>7921383 gl mi friendorino

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 04:49:43 2016 No.7921497 >>7912424 This thread is filled with the diaspora of /a/

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 05:22:24 2016 No.7921522

>>7921497
Well they've been getting more and more infected by plebs by the thread.
>>7920562
Plebs are common in these threads. That's no secret.
>>7918523
Plenty of non retarded posters here read the pinnacle of human literature. Especially since plenty of sff is a part of that group. If you want to circlejerk about Sanderson, Rothfuss, Erikson and other autism inducing books go ahead, but don't expect me not to shit on your pleb taste.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 05:31:18 2016 No.7921531 >>7921522 With sentence structures like those, you are the plebs, anon.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 06:01:38 2016 No.7921574
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Can someone compare "Seveneves" with Stephenson's other books. I'm interested particularly whether it's more like "Reamde" or his earlier books like "The Diamond Age" or" Cryptonomicon".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 06:22:59 2016 No.7921602 >>7920033 What about it? Not sure what you're asking here.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 06:53:23 2016 No.7921652 [DELETED]

>>7921383
HOL UP
*smooths skirt*
SO U SAYIN
*sniffs loudly*
AYO SO YOU SAYIN
*calls a man a woolhead*
AYOOOOO SO YOU SAYIN
*folds arms over breast*
SO YOU BE SAYIN
*tugs braid*
HOL UP
*takes a bath*
AYOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*washes silk*
SO YOU SAYIN
*strokes stout Two Rivers wool*
DAT YOU BE READIN'
*spanks Aes Sedai*
DAT YOU READIN'
*twitches shawl*
DA WHEEL OF TIME
*introduces sub-plot*
IN 2016?
*ponders that Rand would be better at speaking to girls*
LIGHT AND BLOODY ASHES!
*dies from over-ingesting bloated prose*

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 10:26:27 2016 No.7922039

>>7920741
Despite what /lit/ orders you to think, it's actually a pretty decent book. It simply went over many of their heads.

They prefer miserable, weak beta protagonists that fulfill all their sad rape fantasies on underage girls as opposed to any character that exhibits success in their life. The Name Of The Wind was a painful read for many of them, not because of the excellent prose, colorful storytelling or gorgeous worldbuilding, but instead because their nagging inferiority complex wouldn't allow them to tolerate the talented Kvothe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 10:29:55 2016 No.7922046 >>7922039 >projecting this hard

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 11:01:03 2016 No.7922102

>>7922039
Actually a lot of people like Name of the Wind, Kvothe is shown struggling and working hard cor what he wants.

It's Wise Man's Fear that pissed people off, and rightly so. Rothfuss draws you into this story, which looks like it was building up to be an epic... then he drops book 2.

That is when Kvothe is seen to become a Gary Stu. You can write it off as an unreliable narrator, because it is being told second hand.... but that shit doesn't fly.

The only reason I'm reading 3 if it ever comes out, is because I'm a completist. I've invested too much time slogging through these 2 books to turn back now.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 11:27:23 2016 No.7922165

>>7922039
Retard.
>>7920741
It's basically pure garbage.
Characters are very very shallow, one note.
Story is generic. Super talented boy gets his parents killed and is taught by some amazing master and he is accepted in Hogwarts and is faced by one note villains while he chases a slut and is absolutely amazing at everything.
World building, the meme that it is, is also without any consequence. It's a generic fantasy world with a quasi Christianity and a king and a university. It has no personality or mystery or depth. It's the setting you'd play your meme dnd session.
If you want great pulp read Lankhmar, Elric, Conan and Amber. Stay away from Name of the Wind like the plague.
The only good thing that came out of reading it is telling people to Stay away.
Oh and also, the prose is mediocre at best, anyone who says otherwise is too used to Abercrombie, Martin and Sanderson to tell good from mediocre prose apart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 11:39:06 2016 No.7922202 >>7922165 >Lankhmar, Elric, Conan and Amber aka extremely boring shit At least NOTW is entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 11:40:01 2016 No.7922206 >>7922202 Kek

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:11:04 2016 No.7922305

>>7922165
>If you want great pulp read Lankhmar, Elric, Conan and Amber.
Oh look, its that Lankhmar and Conan shill I see in every thread.

Can you please stop? Those stories are old and boring. How old are you? You've got to be at least in your 50's, with the stagnant shit taste you are exhibiting.

Are you that college professor that posts in outer lit?

What do you do when all those books are finished? Read them again? Because for the past 6 threads(minimum) I've seen you shilling those books nonstop, and it never changes.

I've read 600+ books in the past 5 years, even if I combine all the works of the Authors you are shilling, I'm pretty sure it won't come up to that amount.

Are you really a pseudo patrician like those other anons imply? Should we be reading only 3 books like outer lit does?(IJ, GR, Ulysses, maybe throw in Moby Dick)

Should we only discuss New Sun, Conan, Lankhmar, Elric and Amber?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:18:05 2016 No.7922337 >>7922165 Do you like anything that wasn't published at least 30 years ago?

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:19:35 2016 No.7922343
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>>7922165
>If you want great pulp read Lankhmar, Elric, Conan and Amber.

>mfw no one ever mentions Corum
>mfw he bros it up with Elric and Erekose to take down some Chaos fucking shits

I have literally no one to talk to about the Corum books. I am alone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:21:51 2016 No.7922350 >>7922165 Amber's prose is literally the exact same quality as the fucking Dresden Files, who are you fooling?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:30:04 2016 No.7922377 >>7920091 it's absolutely nothing like D&D >hurr this guy has a magical sword and there are some rumours about dragons

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:32:40 2016 No.7922384

WoT fag here, 20% of the way through Eye Of The World.

So far so good, it's not nearly as bad as some anons here led me to believe. Prose is tolerable, nothing spectacular but not purple either, you mostly don't even notice it's there. Plot is cliche but eh, at least the characters feel human.

Alright, only several thousand pages left.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:42:07 2016 No.7922412 >>7922384 Get out while you still can

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:43:19 2016 No.7922415 >>7922384 if you're gonna read a long series read malazan at least, it's better and doesn't have weak as fuck middle books

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 12:53:18 2016 No.7922438

>>7922337
Not >>7922165 , but the patina of age makes bad books more interesting, if simply because they are different. This is why I'll pick up SFF books older than the arbitrary cutoff of 1990 with reckless abandon, but avoid newer stuff without a specific reason to get it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:04:34 2016 No.7922467 Anybody got anything to say about the Brian McClellan series? Thinking about it but sounds a touch dubious.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:05:05 2016 No.7922469 >>7922412 I can't get out now. Once I start a book or a series of books I HAVE to finish it, I'm incapable of dropping anything no matter how shit it becomes. Pray for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:05:49 2016 No.7922472 >>7914805 I've seen people shitting on First law a lot on /lit/ What's up with this? Can anybody name some specific issues?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:17:19 2016 No.7922506 >>7922472 I don't mind him , preferred the standalones to First Law. The grimdark tone came across as a bit forced to me in places and the same with the black comedy/sardonic tone. Overall though it does what it says on the tin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:17:38 2016 No.7922510 >>7922469 Godspeed anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:49:46 2016 No.7922620 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/kingkiller-chronicle-finds-writer-883296 Name of the Wind getting a movie apparently

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:50:48 2016 No.7922622 What should i read next? Sword & citadel Deadhouse Gates Name of The wind The Blade itself Or something else

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:53:43 2016 No.7922629 >>7922622 blade itself

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:56:21 2016 No.7922636 >>7922343 Halfway theough the first one, spooky ghost ship just showed up. It's pretty alright, but how do the subsequent books compare?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 13:56:46 2016 No.7922637 >>7922622 Sword and Citadel. Name of the Wind and Blade Itself are mediocre at best.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:00:32 2016 No.7922644 >>7912446 >>He accidentally gropes or sees the naked body of a princess of the first day and must duel her Reminded me of Lin Carter's Callisto series. Pretty obnoxious but I still read it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:05:05 2016 No.7922660 >>7912500 Jack Vance - Demon Princes Too bad I could never finish them, ebook versions I got were missing entire paragraphs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:06:06 2016 No.7922661 >I am hungry for the hard, clean passion of a man from the earth. The blaze of your dynamic eyes makes my heart pound in my bosom, and the touch of your iron-thewed arm maddens me.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:11:39 2016 No.7922680

>>7922350
It has other qualities. For example, solid characterisation.
>>7922343
I'd get more into it, but my need for pulp has been satiated for now. Shill it some more man, tell me about it. I also didn't read all 7 Elrics, only 3.
>>7922337
Plenty of new Gene Wolfe. Also currently reading Golden Age and am pleasantly surprised. Other new fantasy whenever I try it is complete trash. I will try Black Company for fantasy. I mean I tried Abercrombie and he was awful, half of it was just dumb and unfun. If it was just the inquisitor it would have been a really nice, fun novel, but the annoying young gun was just a pain to read. I obviously wouldn't mind if it had substance to it, but it failed even when I approached it as a just for fun novel.
>>7922305
>Oh look, its that Lankhmar and Conan shill I see in every thread.
Because they are well written, fun novels.
>Can you please stop? Those stories are old and boring. How old are you? You've got to be at least in your 50's, with the stagnant shit taste you are exhibiting.
Most books are old. Age is a filter for quality, shit rarely survives. They always exhibit good qualities.
>Are you that college professor that posts in outer lit?
No.
>What do you do when all those books are finished? Read them again? Because for the past 6 threads(minimum) I've seen you shilling those books nonstop, and it never changes.
Because I don't read just fantasy. Why would I shill Hayek or Newman or Endo or Kant or Locke here?
>I've read 600+ books in the past 5 years, even if I combine all the works of the Authors you are shilling, I'm pretty sure it won't come up to that amount.
What type of books do you read? Because I know of a dozen fantasy authors who I haven't delved in deeply which I want to read more like Dunsay or Peake. And for quality pulp I haven't read much of it to shill other authors. Like I've said, only about 1/5 of my reading is fantasy.
>Are you really a pseudo patrician like those other anons imply? Should we be reading only 3 books like outer lit does?(IJ, GR, Ulysses, maybe throw in Moby Dick)
I didn't read any of those outside Moby Dick, which was great btw, but yes, I mostly read philosophy, theology, Russian literature and random books I find interest in.
>Should we only discuss New Sun, Conan, Lankhmar, Elric and Amber?
No, there's plenty of great fantasy out there outside those, it's just that Rothfuss isn't one of those. You want to discuss them? Go ahead, but I'll call him shit in every thread because I'm still mad I was baited into reading it and it's a painful experience. It's like Naruto, but a novel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:13:38 2016 No.7922685 >>7922660 After the first Golden Age and Grahm Greene I'll be getting into Jack Vance Treasury, a 600 page collection of his best stories, I'm pretty sure it has some of those.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:22:43 2016 No.7922706 >>7922620 I can't wait for this to flop

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:26:42 2016 No.7922725 >>7922706 It's going to be a massive success because the original is the ya teenagers eat up. They can be shit and it won't deviate from the original.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 14:36:33 2016 No.7922764 >>7922636 >It's pretty alright, but how do the subsequent books compare? They are all more or less on the same "alright" level. Personally I find them very comfy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 15:11:37 2016 No.7922877 >>7915705 Agreed, no idea why it's so well liked

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 15:16:57 2016 No.7922893 >>7916883 >serious books >not being manipulated by R scott bakker >What is free will?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 15:20:14 2016 No.7922905 >>7922622 Deadhouse Gates

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 15:23:10 2016 No.7922914 >>7922685 Doesn't look like it's in there, thanks though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 16:21:16 2016 No.7923100 >>7922877 Dunno about others but I'm finding the first book extremely comfy. Especially the little village parts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 16:22:16 2016 No.7923108 >>7922350 Amber's prose is pure jazz, what are you smoking?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 18:00:17 2016 No.7923391 >>7915762 >trivial mechanisms I bet you like willy nilly magic anon.

Anonymous Thu Apr 14 18:00:49 2016 No.7923392

why can't women write proper SFF ? After 2 years of reading I am done. I have read most of the popular stuff and most of the obscure stuff, there's not many 4chan,reddit, top 15 whatever lists that I didn't give a chance. Ive read hundreds of books and now I will need to move to a different genre.

I tried reading books written by women, however they are painfully mediocre. I care about amazing books, i am willing to read 30 books that have a few cool moments only to find one that is amazing. I am giving up.

I honestly believe there's no female equivalent of Malazan, Second apocalypse,Book of the new sun, Dune, and so on. Although flawed, these are some of the top tier books in my opinion. I have lost hope that women are capable of creating something that is great...I wont slog trough mediocrity without a chance of finding something really good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 18:02:09 2016 No.7923398 >>7923392 LeGuin

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 18:06:07 2016 No.7923405 What fantasy series/novels have the best dialog? Any Sword and Sorcery that spring out?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 19:06:09 2016 No.7923597 >>7923398 YA fiction barely counts as proper SFF

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 19:07:25 2016 No.7923602 File: 32 KB, 400x400, 1439500063465.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7923597

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 19:09:09 2016 No.7923604 >>7923392 Atwood but reaching.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 20:20:32 2016 No.7923823 File: 60 KB, 500x500, 1460530267983.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7923392 Susanna Clarke - true, she's only written the one book, but it's an amazing book. Also Andre Norton was a woman.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 14 22:42:57 2016 No.7924205 Is Chronicle of the Unhewn Throne any good? It got recommended to me on goodreads

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