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>It's cool to say how good this is
>It's also cool to say it's terrible and that people only like it to seem cool
Isn't this exactly the feedback loop DFW was trying to warn us of?

>> No.7826904

Fuck the haters, in my opinion.

>> No.7826926

I just think it's terrible and generally never voice that opinion.

>> No.7826929

Am I supposed to read that fucking 8 page filmography?

>> No.7826933

The footnotes were pointless. He could have cut 600+ pages and still said the same thing.

>> No.7826940

>>7826926
i thought it was great and generally never voice that opinion

>> No.7826962

>>7826929
it's pretty funny/clever if you give it a shot

>> No.7826963

I read it. I liked it. I think its indulgence and prose style are supported by its central message. I consider DFW an excellent technician, but his ideologies were very juvenile and, if his suicide is anything to go by, obviously not capable of sustaining an individual's life.

>> No.7826966

>>7826933
The footnotes were an integral part of the prose and style. skipping them would be like skipping a random paragraph.

>> No.7826971

>>7826929
Yes, you have to realize that it's not some over-indulgent aside but actually part of the story itself. It's just an endnote to not break the train of thought of the passage it's a part of.

>> No.7826973

>>7826966
I didn't skip them. I just felt like there was so much that was unnecessary, it was a waste of time. It was still a good book but it would be better if it was shorter.

>> No.7826977

>>7826963
I don't think he killed himself because of his ideology, anon...

>> No.7826981

>>7826963
>but his ideologies were very juvenile and, if his suicide is anything to go by, obviously not capable of sustaining an individual's life
jesus fuck, dude.

>> No.7827004

>>7826981
>>7826977

I'm saying I believe the reverence people pay to him in regards to his ethical espousals seen throughout IJ and elsewhere (I'd say primarily his interviews) are misplaced. Look at how a majority of his fanbase speak of him and you'll notice the sort of idol-worship afforded to icons. A lot of that support seems to stem from a belief in his concern with morality, goodness, and the other facets of 'How to Live s Good Life.' For a clear example of DFW's of depth in that field, read the opening paragraph of The Pale King. It reads like something posted on Facebook.

I maintain that he was a highly intelligent and gifted technical writer, but that a good portion of his reputation is built up around a belief in his moral stature, of which he was lacking.

Just my two pennies. I have nothing against him personally. I just didn't find him as deep or penetrating a thinker as some proclaim. He was, however, a very engaging and influential stylist, and I'm completely okay with that.

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7827005

Is "The End Of The Tour" a good film?

>> No.7827011

>>7827005
LOL hollywood! Oscarz 10/10 yo

>> No.7827018

Never heard this book. Is it good?

>> No.7827175

>>7826966
>tfw listening to audiobook version with noo footnotes
>going to have to go back and read all the footnotes

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>>7826963

>> No.7827660

>>7827005
it's better than what BEE thinks of it, but not by much