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7785258 No.7785258 [Reply] [Original]

Let's have a Moby-Dick thread. It's arguably the greatest novel ever written, after all.

Is there any figure in literature more miserable than Ahab when he see Fedallah lashed to the side of Moby-Dick? What complete existential despair. "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee!" isn't a cry of defiance, it's a last shout into the void. It's sobering.

>> No.7785551

>>7785258
was fedallah even real? or just some sort of ahab's alter-ego, demon?

>> No.7785571

>>7785551
i questioned the reality of a lot of the characters, the whole story was told by Ishmael anyway, so it could all be a tale woven by a mischievous old sea salt.

>> No.7785575
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7785575

how did Melville got away with all the gay parts

>> No.7785580

>>7785575
he raped his brother Ishmael

>> No.7785582

>>7785575
that was the best part of the book desu senpai

>> No.7785584

>>7785575
Ishmael is incredibly fucking naive, that's how. He didn't realize Queequeg was coming on to him.

Now, I guess you can argue that they were just forging a manly friendship like Achilles and Patroclus. However, I think there are definitely some deliberate romantic undertones to Queequeg's approach to Ishmael.

>> No.7785585

>>7785258
>isn't a cry of defiance, it's a last shout into the void
Shouting into the void isn't a form of defiance?

>> No.7785590

DID QUEEQUEG LEAVE HIS ISLAND BECAUSE HE WAS GAY AND OSTRACISED?

>> No.7785598

>>7785575
i kept wondering if there were gay undertones but i decided there weren't really any.... but there could be if ya wanted them there.

>> No.7785602

>>7785258
it's weird how their relationship was integral in the beginning yet queequeg all but vanished throughout the rest of the story. why is it after he got on the ship did no one ever really react to Ishmael anyway?

>> No.7785608

this book is popular only beause its american. you fucking faggots, your "literature" is so fucking bad, that you will cum over every mediocre book. God how i hate those stupid uncultured americunt swines
t proud european

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7785617

>>7785608
y u so mad foreignbro?

>> No.7785625

>>7785575
they were after a sperm whale after all

>> No.7785626

>>7785625
>Squeeze! Squeeze! Squeeze!

>> No.7785634

>>7785626
that was a bizarre chapter. i wonder what the other guys thought when he was squeezing their hands, gazing into their eyes dreamily, clearly wanting the D

>> No.7785680

>>7785575
Melville seemed pretty forward-thinking in some aspects of his book. How Ishmael became Queequeg's wife; how Ishmael did not judge Queequeg on his religious practices and even paid respect to them himself; etc. Melville seemed pretty A-OK with the ethnics.

>> No.7785686

> read the chapter about how sperm whales could lure boats into deeper waters just to wreck them
> how sperm whales taunt ships
> think this chapter is bullshit
> do a google search on Sperm whales and find out that those cunts totally do this sort of shit

If anything, reading Moby Dick makes me want to support whaling even more.

>> No.7785691

>>7785608
I'm not even american and I can appreciate that Moby Dick is a beautiful book. If you can articulate why you dislike it so much rationally, it would be thoroughly appreciated.

>> No.7785701

>>7785686
If someone was hunting you and your race just to light their lamps, wouldn't you be a bit of a cunt to them?

>> No.7785712

>>7785701
Sure but it's not happening to me so it's completely fine. I'm kidding, anon, I'm just expressing my surprise for some of the whale factoids in this book with hyperbole.

>> No.7785820

Has anyone here read Clarel by Melville? I just started reading it and it's pretty dense. Hard to parse the meaning in a lot of parts, at least for me.

>> No.7785857

>>7785701
gotta have that light though

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>>7785585
pic related thought so

>> No.7785894

>>7785258

It's been in my backlog for quite some time now. Might put it in the front of the queue.

>> No.7786142

>>7785585
Maybe, but I think the spirit behind it is different.

Ahab realized when he saw Fedallah that the prophecy had come to pass after all, and that he was fucked. He knew the moment of oblivion was upon him. Him shouting at Moby-Dick in this instance isn't him taking a stand and declaring his existence in the face of an uncaring world, it's him realizing that nothing matters and everything is pointless, and he might as well have one last rage at it before the gears of the universe ruthlessly grind him apart. It's a cry of resignation, of disgust.

>> No.7786157

>>7785680

Degeneracy isn't forward-thinking.

>> No.7786168

10 years ago or so I attempted to read it twice and just couldn't. Not that it was bad, I guess I'm just too stupid for it. Soon I'm going to make another attempt.

>> No.7786176

>>7785691

I think he's just trying to mock a Euro when he's mad that America is good at stuff sometimes. Some Euros want so badly for America to be terrible in every conceivable way and they can't handle it when it achieves anything.

>> No.7786185

>>7786157

This.