Science fiction and fantasy general

[Anonymous No.7553481]

>>7522067
Sword and sorcery edition
>Recommendations:
>Fantasy
>http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a8/1307836551252.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110612005642
>Sci-Fi
>http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a6/Scifilit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100710233344
>http://imgur.com/r55ODlL

>what are you currently reading
>favorite fantasy protagonist?
>favorite adventure story?

[Anonymous No.7553485]

Strange & Norrell left me kind of satisfied

Grossman's The Magicians trilogy was amusing

[Anonymous No.7553499]

Just read Lud-in-the-Mist, really enjoyed it. Its kind of the Fae meets Cthulhu taking over a town. Not really sword and sorcery, very different from most fantasy I've read. Anyone else read it?

[Anonymous No.7553540]

Requesting more Gene Wolfe themed memes. We need more new ones.

[Anonymous No.7553549]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpNbr4vupHk&app=desktop

[Anonymous No.7553578]

>>7553540
yessir

[Anonymous No.7553599]

Any recommendations for a sort of Sci-Fi Fantasy mix? When I was younger I loved reading Artemis Fowl, partly because of this mix of tech and magic.

[Anonymous No.7553638]

>>7553599
Gene Wolfe if you want to go deep, Horus Heresy if you want to read pulpy fun.

[Anonymous No.7553696]

>>7553549
What a badass. He killed many a chinaman during the war.

[Anonymous No.7555629]

Reposting:
There was some cunt asking for books that are like the movie inception?
Well, Ubik, Ocean at the end of the Lane, and the Fifth Head of Cerberus.

[Anonymous No.7555778]

>>7553499
>Fae meets Cthulhu
But pre-Tolkien Fae pretty much are Cthulhu.

[Anonymous No.7555814]

>>7553599
There's an entire genre of urban fantasy. You'd probably enjoy Dresden Files if you liked Artemis Fowl, maybe even Monster Hunter International. I recommended Diana Wynne Jones in the last thread, but just anything of hers especially Deep Secret, the only non-YA book she ever published. Nursery rhymes and ancient curses and a trans-dimensional magitech empire, Britishisms and sci-fi conventions and floppy-disk computer programming. Tremendously fun.

[Anonymous No.7555940]

>>7555814
>urban fantasy
Great thanks, this seems like exactly what I'm looking for.

[Anonymous No.7556254]

Fuck off back to reddit MaharynArts

[Anonymous No.7556336]

>>7553599
Pretty much everything published within the last 60 years?

[Anonymous No.7556406]

Tips on keeping my fantasy world/story from being shit?

[Anonymous No.7556434]

>>7553696
And he helped invent Pringles

[Anonymous No.7556477]

>>7556406
Avoid "Fantasy Kitchen Sink", don't just combine features from each and every Earth culture.

Establish the technical limits of your World, don't keep having decades upon decades of technological advancement every story that are set weeks apart.

Religion is important, establish it exists even if it doesn't feature in your story, mediaeval atheism is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.7556562]

>>7556406
Don't try to be poetic. You'll end up being purple af

[Anonymous No.7556613]

>>7556477
Well rapid tech advancement and its effect on society is an element of the story. Like tech leaks from a higher society.

[Anonymous No.7556619]

>>7556477
I have society's that have similar culture/aesthetics to earth cultures but no hybrids or anything

[Anonymous No.7556621]

thouts on prince of nothing? wanna try something dark and philosophical but imconflucted

[Anonymous No.7556639]

>>7556621
I've never read something so boring and Slice of Life in a book until I read it. I suppose it's dark in the sense that if you stand in the middle of a desert which has a hole in the ozone layer and hold up piece of mostly transparent plastic it's quite shady.

[Anonymous No.7556719]

My friends, it is here on /lit/ where the New-New Wave of SF&F should start! Let us create greatness so the fandom may toss aside hacks like Sanderson, Rothfuss, Scalzi and Weir.

[Anonymous No.7557079]

>>7556621
Prince of nothing is great for rape, gay and incest.

[Anonymous No.7557138]

Hey /lit/ newfag here, just starting to rediscover my love of reading, I used to love science fiction as a kid.

I was wondering where you guys download your books, i'm trying to find childhood's end but I can't find it anywhere.

Also, any good sci-fi books you recommend?

Sorry for newfagging it up.

[Anonymous No.7557204]

>>7557138
It's cool that you're rediscovering your love for reading. I have two questions for you.

Did you look at the OP of this general? If not, go look at the URLs there.

And how good are you with IRC commands?

[Anonymous No.7557222]

>>7557204
>And how good are you with IRC commands?
Speakin' of which, what's with ebooks and formatting, grammar and spelling mistakes? It's beyond infuriating.

[Anonymous No.7557228]

>>7557204
I vaguely know what irc is

And no, will do

[Anonymous No.7557244]

>>7557222
OCRs are not accurate. OCR'd books are books that someone has most likely debinded (usually destroying the book in the process) and manually scanned for you so you ought to be thankful that people have put in all that effort just so someone else can read the book (not all books are published digitally.)

Second type of book is retail. These are the type that are frequently found on Bibliotik and mobilism. These types of books someone has downloaded off something like OD or bought from Amazon and removed the DRM from. These ones usually have perfect spelling.

Third type of books are non OCR'd scans. These ones are basically just scans and are often enormous in file size because each one is an image.

[Anonymous No.7557255]

>>7557244
*each page

When people produce OCR'd ebooks normally they must read through the entire thing and ensure there are no spelling groups. Often times there isn't as much focus on quality so a lot of misspellings and such tend to result.
You can manually spell check/edit in Calibre. Proofed OCR's are usually labelled as such by the downloaders.

[Anonymous No.7557260]

>>7557255
*uploaders
Fuck typos.

[Anonymous No.7557291]

I didn't see "lies of loche lamora" on here. Gear trilogy

[Anonymous No.7557301]

>>7557138
Sleator is my nigga, anon. My real nigga.

Anybody remember Bruce Coville?

[Anonymous No.7557307]

>>7556719
Well? What d'you propose?

[Anonymous No.7557309]

>>7556719
>New-New Wave of SF&F
no. we should return to pulps and cast aside anything postmodern.

[Anonymous No.7557321]

>>7557228
IRC commands in some channels are one option to get books for free. I've had some success getting some out of print genre fiction from private torrent sites.

Just be careful and double check how you're grabbing your books.

[Anonymous No.7557336]

>>7557321
>tfw Bibliotik DDOS

[Anonymous No.7557370]

>>7557307
Immerse yourself in non-standard influences, or nature, and write from that. Think like that. Forget the suppositions, the morality, that powers you now, and don't just forget them in a "omg imma convert to hinduism!" kind of way, don't just try to elevate your modern thinking, do away with it. Replace it. Find the greater height - not your greater height, because we're doing away with relativism. Find what needs to be branded on the world, and write that.

[Anonymous No.7557407]

>>7557301
Sleator is my nigga too, never met anyone else who's heard of him

>>7557321
Anything else? Why are books so hard to find? I feel like an idiot but I can't find basic famous books like Childhood's end

[Anonymous No.7557409]

>>7557370
But how's that directly related to Sci-fi and Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.7557540]

>>7557370
It's widely considered impossible to write from the perspective of another culture because of imprinting; Religious leaders from "exotic religions" have time and time again told Westerners they'll never understand, stick with Christianity.

[Anonymous No.7557542]

>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner. The visor of this figure's helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more.
Please tell me BotNS is like this all the way through.

[Anonymous No.7557795]

>>7557542
In what way?
It's great writing wise and has plenty of games Wolfe plays with you.

[Anonymous No.7557939]

>>7557795
>>7557542
What else by Wolfe is good besides the solar cycle books? Is Wizard Knight any good?

[Anonymous No.7557977]

>>7553599
China Mieville's Bas-Lag books
Stephen King's Dark Tower series
Richard Morgan's Land Fit For Heroes trilogy

[Anonymous No.7557983]

>>7556621
One of the GOAT modern fantasy series. Dark and philosophical describes it very well (in fact there's way too much philosophy imo).

[Anonymous No.7557989]

>>7557939
It's fantastic if you want to go back to an emulation of childhood knight novels.
Short stories are awesome.
Fifth Head of Cerberus, Peace and Soldier series.

[Anonymous No.7558067]

>>7557309
Thats already what the Genres have been since the 80s

[Anonymous No.7558099]

What's you favorite Comfy series /lit/? Something you go back to and re-read every year or so. I just finished re-reading the Wheel of Time series. I know it gets a lot of hate, but I just can't help but like it.

[Anonymous No.7558108]

>>7558099
sleep tite kitter

[Anonymous No.7558174]

>>7557407
>Why are books so hard to find? I feel like an idiot but I can't find basic famous books like Childhood's end

Nigga. Just search the title, author, and "mobi epub." There's a 98% chance it will show up. That book is easy as shit to find.

[Anonymous No.7558181]

>>7557540
Which is why we make such crappy postmodern lit, it isn't really our culture. I'm sorry, I didn't explain myself well enough.

[Anonymous No.7558322]

>>7558174
>apple fag
I want some tight boipucci, you up for being bottom?

[Anonymous No.7558359]

>what are you currently reading
The Thing Itself
>favorite fantasy protagonist?
Thomas Covenant
>favorite adventure story?
Fantasy? Uuuhh, Bridge of Birds.

>>7558099
I don't have a comfy series, but I have comfy authors: Jack Vance and Glen Cook. Whenever I need a break I pick up a book by either. Luckily both were very prolific, so I still have plenty of material left.

[Anonymous No.7558545]

>>7557542
That went completely over my head first time I read it. I wonder how much else I missed reading those books.

[Anonymous No.7559059]

>>7556613
Technological advancement of any sort is not allowed in fantasy. All societies must be in a fixed state for all time.

If you aren't willing to work within the confines of the genre then fuck off and write sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.7559080]

>>7553485
Yeah, read Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell when it was being hyped to death shortly after its publication, but it was actually a good if sometimes slow novel.

Read the Magicians Trilogy in the last few weeks for the first time, really enjoyed most of it immensely, but I got distracted a few times by the inconsistencies in "power levels" if you'll excuse my DBZ-like terminology.

[Anonymous No.7559093]

>>7558099
I adore TWoT, no matter what everyone says. Started reading it nearly 20 years ago, stopped after Winter's Heart because I wanted to wait till the series was finished. Reread the first few a few times. Then reread the series when the last book was nearly finished by Sanderson, enjoyed the whole experience immensely.

[Anonymous No.7559100]

>>7553540
please

[Anonymous No.7559191]

>>7559059
It's like, from dark ages to renaissance with airships powered by magic

I don't see how it's science fi

[Anonymous No.7559778]

>>7559059
>

[Anonymous No.7559809]

Is Conan good? Tell me why I should read it.

I'm just too tired to ask any specific questions about it

[Anonymous No.7559911]

>>7559809
It's mediocre.
Try something cooler like Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser

[Anonymous No.7560054]

>>7559191
Doesn't this just cause a whole heap of problems? they weren't able to manufacture anything close to a airship in the renaissance; If they're able to manufacture airships why wouldn't they power them by steam engine?

[Anonymous No.7560078]

Giving Starfish a try after really not getting into Echopraxia.

[Anonymous No.7560093]

>>7559809
A variety of stories, an expanding land not overly exploited, good prose.

[Anonymous No.7560112]

>>7558322
It's linux mint you ignoramus. It doesn't even look remotely like OSX.

[Anonymous No.7560123]

>>7560112
Too bad it looks like a poormans apple interface.

[Anonymous No.7560167]

>>7560123
>damage control
Good thing it can be themed in a few clicks.

Also,
>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.7560175]

>>7560167
How can I damage control when i didn't even write >>7558322 ?

[Anonymous No.7560284]

>>7560054
It's fantasy and I'd have to explain the magic syste, which which I don't feel like doing.

[Anonymous No.7560360]

>>7560054
>they weren't able to manufacture anything close to a airship in the renaissance
Scusi?

[Anonymous No.7560373]

>>7560360
Fuck off Dan Brown.

[Anonymous No.7560539]

sup /sff/

Remember when I said I couldn't find a copy of Babel-17 that wasn't riddled with typos and then I said I might buy it from Amazon and upload it here? Of course you don't.

Well I did it anyway and here it is: http://libgen.io/foreignfiction/index.php?md5=ccbdc44920efe9c430b008b1b0a522a0
This one should be of a good quality, though let me know if something's wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.7560542]

>>7558174
>>7557407
Good luck finding a copy of CE that isn't fucked up.

[Anonymous No.7560607]

>>7560539
I remember, did you take off the DRM?

[Anonymous No.7560712]

Rate my alien robot concept.

[Anonymous No.7560722]

>>7560712
That alien robot is cool as fuck. Would have sex with/10

[Anonymous No.7560806]

>>7560722
>Would have sex with/10
Stop you're giving away the plot to my paranormal teen romance novel

[Anonymous No.7560812]

most recent SF/F I read was 4 of Le Guin's Hainish novels (Rocannon's World, Planet of Exile, City of Illusions, The Word for World is Forest). good but not as good as the 2 all-time classics in that series.

reading a Culture novel soon, looking forward to that

[Anonymous No.7560967]

>>7560812
>Absorbing this much Marxism in such a short time
Stay safe Anon

[Anonymous No.7561065]

>>7560967
Don't worry about it. Those ones are just anti-colonialism and Tao.

[Anonymous No.7561456]

>>7559059
Pretty sure you don't get to arbitrarily decide the rules, bud.

[Anonymous No.7561498]

>>7556477
>Religion is important, establish it exists even if it doesn't feature in your story, mediaeval atheism is fucking retarded.

>I know better than Tolkien

[Anonymous No.7561508]

>>7561498
Gandalf is literally an angel.

[Anonymous No.7561543]

>>7557542
This was an astronaut, yes? I am too dense for some of the stuff in BOTNS

[Anonymous No.7561807]

>>7558545
>>7561543
It went over my head 2 times.

[Anonymous No.7561824]

>>7553599
In her name by Micheal Hicks is a rough but good series I enjoyed

[Anonymous No.7561828]

So help me out here

What would you name an organization, or guild of humans, who uniquely have a metaphysical control of time

[Anonymous No.7561835]

>>7561828
Time Lords

[Anonymous No.7561858]

>>7561835
Das taken

[Anonymous No.7561862]

>>7561828
Chronomancers

[Anonymous No.7561870]

>>7561858
das da joke

>>7561862

chronomancers' guild or something like that would be ok.

[Anonymous No.7561877]

>>7561862
I like that, thanks mate

[Anonymous No.7561883]

>>7561508
>>7561828
Chronomason

[Anonymous No.7561923]

>>7561828
Chronochadors

[Anonymous No.7562130]

>>7561498
Tolkien's work was so heavily lathered in religious overtones it completely alienated East-Asian markets.

[Anonymous No.7562258]

>>7562130
their just foreign their not aliens idiot

[Anonymous No.7562290]

>>7560607
I did, at least it works when I try to view the file on Calibre.
Try the file yourself and tell me if it doesn't work so that I can try it again.

[Anonymous No.7562301]

>>7561828
Ticktockmen
Clocksmiths

[Anonymous No.7562414]

>>7556477
>Avoid "Fantasy Kitchen Sink", don't just combine features from each and every Earth culture.

Basing fantasy cultures purely off existing ones without any syncretic elements is a terrible idea. Firstly, you might as well be writing historical fiction instead of fantasy, since this suggestion is such a gigantic restriction on worldbuilding.
Secondly, it can easily be alienating for audiences who feel you represent their culture poorly, as opposed to an obviously fictional country that's merely inspired by existing ones.
Thirdly, PLENTY of franchises and stories have disregarded this "rule" and are successful. Star Wars is basically a story about nazi-samurai space wizards. The Dark Tower is a fusion between the Old West and Arthurian legend. The Wheel of Time (not a series I like, but anyway) combines European, Asian and even African cultures into a single setting, the Dune series does a similar thing with a pseudo-feudal future and middle Eastern elements. Haruhi Suzumiya was popular as fuck. The Marvel and DC multiverses cover almost every topic imaginable.

>Establish the technical limits of your World, don't keep having decades upon decades of technological advancement every story that are set weeks apart.

Genuinely good advice, unless you have a story that spans generations - something that's hard to do well.

>Religion is important, establish it exists even if it doesn't feature in your story, mediaeval atheism is fucking retarded.

How is it any less retarded than the current trend of colorful polytheism in fantasy when Medieval Europe was Christian to the bone? Don't listen to this dumb faggot. Your world doesn't have to be some Tolkein-lite bullshit pretending to be hard sci-fi. If atheism, polytheism, monotheism or whatever other religious belief suits your setting, use it. It doesn't have to mimic the social trends of history on Earth.

[Anonymous No.7562421]

>>7559059
Medieval stasis is a common cliche but it's not essential to the genre by any means. The only person saying this is you.

[Anonymous No.7562688]

>>7560539
I think the links dead, just says 'no data received'

[Anonymous No.7562707]

>>7562301
Evening's Empires had people in it called tick tocks already, although they had nothing to do with time control.

[Anonymous No.7562747]

What are some good publishing venues for scifi short stories, maybe novellas?

I'm definitely assuming the market is oversaturated to hell and back, and that any halfway-professional outlet is either drowning in submissions from fanfic authors or retooling to be an exclusively YA vampire platform.

But is there any room for a traditional pitch? Any good trade secrets or pitfalls?

I have a couple shorts and I want to try to get them published. Not really concerned about profit or fame, but building a portfolio would be nice, so I'd rather not post them on scififorums.net or something.

[Anonymous No.7562775]

>>7562688
That's weird, it still works for me.
Try this link: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1l2bryvsdg1nark/Delany%2C_Samuel_R_-_Babel-17_%28S.F._MASTERWORKS%29_%282010%2C_Orion%2C_9780575101838%29.mobi

[Anonymous No.7562802]

>>7562775
That worked, thanks. Not sure what was wrong with the other link but it was probably on my end.

One of these days when I finally get my ebook library organized I'll have to zip it up and upload it for you guys. It probably won't have anything you don't already have but I've enjoyed reading from it so far.

[Anonymous No.7562984]

>>7562747
A blog.

[Anonymous No.7563001]

Niere like reddit general

[Anonymous No.7563149]

>>7562747
>But is there any room for a traditional pitch? Any good trade secrets or pitfalls?

You aren't going to get any where unless you suck a lot of dick.

>so I'd rather not post them on scififorums.net or something

In a earlier thread we discussed how incestuous Sci-fi publishing in the West has become and how the industry has fostered a rabid hatred of self-publishing and web novels.

[Anonymous No.7563190]

>>7561877
No problem. I'm going to specialize in Chronomancy when I become a wizard.

>>7563149
>the industry has fostered a rabid hatred of self-publishing and web novels
Why is that? Seems like it may be the only route for newcomers to venture into. Is that the main reason why?

[Anonymous No.7563201]

>>7562747
http://semiprozine.org/semiprozine-directory/
I published a story in one of these.
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.7563227]

>>7563190
>Why is that?
Prestige. "Winner of the Hugo Award, Arthur C. Clarke Award, and the BSFA Award" sounds better than "Chapters: 122, Words: 661,619, Reviews: 31,302, Follows: 15,051, hundreds of thousands of views, are you even trying Tor?"

[Anonymous No.7563234]

>>7563227
This. Larry Correia got rich selling gun-werewolf books without even crawling on his belly in front of a publisher. They can't let that kind of lese-majeste go unpunished.

[Anonymous No.7563245]

>>7563234
They don't even publish China Mieville's sales figures because of how embarrassing it would be to reveal how unpopular Scifi is. Some of the most popular authors in the fucking genre have <1M lifetime sales.

[Anonymous No.7563297]

>>7563245
China Mieville doesn't sell well? I pirated Embassytown and I thought it was a fine book.

[Anonymous No.7563309]

>>7563297
You know John Scalzi? The guy printsf praise as the next coming of Jesus Christ himself? Redshirts sold less than <100k.

[Anonymous No.7563314]

>>7563309
Source? Need to see this for myself.

[Anonymous No.7563331]

>>7563314
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/16/the-state-of-a-genre-title-2013/

Do remember this book was shilled to kingdom come.

[Anonymous No.7563443]

So I've read The Shadow of the Torturer (in translation) and while it was OK, from threads like this I'd been expecting something better. One thing that is bothering me is how all of the characters developed close relationships in matter of hours; it made them unbelievable. Also I'm not a fan of the world Wolfe has created. I don't dig the aesthetics of it and I don't think the magic fits is. It sure feels as if the next books would clarify a lot, but I'm not sure if I care enough. Should I read them?[/spolier]

[Anonymous No.7563461]

>>7563331
>Redshirt ads in Times Square
>These are healthy sales

[Anonymous No.7563472]

>>7563443
> One thing that is bothering me is how all of the characters developed close relationships in matter of hours; it made them unbelievable

Severian is a lying piece of shit
and its heavily implied this wasn't the actual case

[Anonymous No.7563623]

>>7563331
So what are good sales for non-genre books? I've never paid attention to sales before so this is all Greek to me.

[Anonymous No.7563635]

>>7562421
>The only person saying this is you.

And all publishers, and the majority of readers. If your novel is going to be unsuccessful because you go against established principles of the genre then just post it on your blog instead of trying to get it published.

[Anonymous No.7563646]

>>7557244
>>7557255
>>7557260
Not that anon, but thanks for the info. Nice dubs.

Is there any way to know beforehand which books are OCRs and which are retail? I think places like bookzz have both. Are all books on mobilism and bibliotik retail?

[Anonymous No.7563733]

>>7563461
At least it wasn't Ancillary justice-tier sales, <30k.

[Anonymous No.7563887]

>>7563635
What genre? "Fantasy?" Ever heard of the Dying Earth subgenre? Vance? Moorcock? You may have heard of Terry Brooks, seems more your speed. What about Robert Jordan? Do the majority of readers reject his books because they start an industrial revolution in them? Brandon Sanderson? Yeah, he's just some no-name that can't get a book sold.

[Anonymous No.7563958]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/araz-hachadourian/ursula-k-leguin-calls-on-fantasy-and-sci-fi-writers-to-envision-alt

I don't understand, I'm so ridiculously bored of Sci-fi Communism; It's the most overdone concept in all of Science fiction, at least 80% of all novels published within the last couple of decades have non-capitalist governments. Why the fuck would you want more awful shit like China's Iron Council?

[Anonymous No.7564017]

>>7563958
John C. Wright's Golden Age trilogy had this intensely capitalist future and it was incredibly fresh.
>protagonist loses all his money
>wakes up in an apartment so trashy he has to use a voice command to get his carpet to massage his feet

[asmongler No.7564261]

Why does everyone other than that avatarfag hate Brandonson here so much?

[Anonymous No.7564265]

>>7564261
He's never written a decent book.

[Anonymous No.7564277]

>>7564261
>everyone
We're not a hivemind. And it's because he's a hardworking, slightly robotic author who produces hardworking, slightly robotic books, a true proletarian, and there's nothing Marxists hate more than real proletarians.

[Anonymous No.7564361]

>>7564261
I don't hate Sanderson.

I think there are like atleast 3 Sanderson fans that continuously visit this general.

Why the others hate him?
It ranges from :
-his huge success in a seemingly short time.
There are people here who are older than Sanderson, and they were never published. Breeds dislike.

-his inability to "cuss like an adult", or include "one decent sex scene that doesn't take place with a married couple".
People hate that some of his religious beliefs bleed through on his writings, it doesn't bother me or the other two though(cosmerefag included).

[asmongler No.7564363]

>>7561828
Timewalkers

[Anonymous No.7564394]

>>7564261

I don't hate him, but I do dislike his books and I suspect most people just dislike him and are being hyperbolic.

He writes fantasy because he's a fantasy fanboy, because he likes the surface elements of fantasy, the magic, the character archetypes, the adventure. The result is that his characters, his world, his story and his magic are all shallow, though readable. They're DnD adventures in translucent prose. His books are at best just good controllers of expectations. He never really evolves a complete mythology to express his morality and philosophy, like the greats, say, C.S Lewis, Tolkien, Lewis Carrol, Phillip Pullman, George R.R Martin, Mervyn Peake, etc. He isn't grappling with anything in his books other than his desire to write a fantasy book.

He doesn't even really like anything other than the magic systems enough to develop them fully. And the sort of background lore hint dropping.

He's a 99 cent store Neil Gaiman.

[Anonymous No.7564424]

>>7564394
But Neil Gaiman is the 99-cent store Neil Gaiman.

[Anonymous No.7564443]

>>7564361
>-his huge success in a seemingly short time.
>There are people here who are older than Sanderson, and they were never published. Breeds dislike.
>-his inability to "cuss like an adult", or include "one decent sex scene that doesn't take place with a married couple".
>People hate that some of his religious beliefs bleed through on his writings, it doesn't bother me or the other two though(cosmerefag included).
Those are both wrong.

Fucking kill yourself. There's been post after post about why Sanderson sucks.

[Anonymous No.7564466]

>>7564443
And there explanations range from, popularity (reddit) to made up cuss words and pg13 ya novels with no rape.

[Anonymous No.7564473]

>>7564466
>Shit prose
>Read like video games
>Shallow plots with no themes

[Anonymous No.7564478]

>>7564466
I've outlined my objection to him here >>7564394

I've read four Sanderson novels, too. I'm not just shitting on him because he's a popular name.

[Anonymous No.7564559]

>>7564473
>no themes
What do you mean? The Mistborn trilogy was all about unintended consequences, when everything they do gets amplified a thousand times until they need someone to become a literal god to sort it out. Warbreaker's all sacrifice, everyone has to sacrifice something or someone, how there are good sacrifices and bad ones.

>>7564394
>He isn't grappling with anything in his books other than his desire to write a fantasy book.
And the question of why we should obey laws when there isn't a clear purpose for them, and how we can keep loving God when he's actually caused all the tragedy in our lives, and on whether heroism is a development of personal virtue or the pursuit of heroic norms.

He's a foreigner to you guys. Comes from a different world, different moral system. And what does GRRM grapple with, anyway? Pullman? Are you arguing that the bloated mess that was The Amber Spyglass has a complete mythology behind it?

[Anonymous No.7564579]

Time travel is shit tier don't use it.

[Anonymous No.7564651]

>>7564579
This, it makes too many paradoxes and plot holes.

[Anonymous No.7564763]

>>7563646
Bibliotik has a retail tag and any non retail book is trumpable. To be retail on Bibliotik it must be hand ripped as stated in the rules. (Everything you download and rip yourself off sites like EBL, Ebrary, amazon, kobo and OD are technically retail however bibliotik has an additional rule that any calibre embedded metadata like the remembered page numbers and the like don't count as retail.) Bibliotik is currently down due to DDOS so all the invite threads on what.cd have been pulled but they'll be back in the invite forum once it's back up. Posts on what.cd imply that the admins are busy but they secured hosting for three months.

Books that are OCR'd tend to be slightly larger in size than retail. On bookzz has both, mobilism is mostly retail I believe (retail books are always easier to get deDRM'd; not many people bother scanning!) but I got a few books a few years ago that were OCR'd and icky.

#bookz appears to have both types (I think Bookz is an aggregator site for everything that comes into mobilism and then some). MAM has both.

I'd stick to mobilism and bib for retail stuff and if it's not there first you can always try other sites.

[Anonymous No.7564770]

>>7564763
*
apparently bib also has a script to check whether or not a book is retail but I don't think anyone knows the exact details on how a check is conducted.

[Anonymous No.7565580]

>>7563635
>And all publishers, and the majority of readers.

Sure buddy. Stats from the official journal of pulleditoutofmyass.

[Anonymous No.7566147]

>>7563646
>2016
>not getting the audiobooks

[Anonymous No.7566776]

>>7565580
>replying to someone who has just started reading and thinks she's an expert
Just ignore her.

[Anonymous No.7566830]

>>7563635
Tbh a lot of fantasy is often subverting tropes, like Moorcock making his sas protagonist an edgy teen, Wolfe making his fantasy not fantasy with a lying asshole for a protagonist.

[Anonymous No.7566832]

>>7566830
lying asshole protagonists ain't subverting shit.

[Anonymous No.7566904]

>>7564763
>>7564770
Thanks anon, this is useful info. I wish I'd known this before.

[Anonymous No.7566909]

Just finished the first Prince of Nothing trilogy.
I liked it a lot, but I felt that Bakker was trying too hard to make Kellhus look intelligent by making everyone more and more retarded. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.7567008]

>>7560712
Really like this.

[Anonymous No.7567195]

I need The Fifth Head of Cerberus tier stuff anything you guys want to recommend?

[Anonymous No.7567209]

Please recommend me The Fifth Head of Cerberus tier books.

[Anonymous No.7567243]

>>7566909
You can't write characters more intelligent than yourself, and since Bakker was writing a guy who was basically a perfect genius who can predict the future via memes he had to dumb it down a bit. Also you have to remember people back then in Kellhus times were pretty stupid.

[Anonymous No.7567247]

>>7566832
In context of fantasy? It's quite uncommon.

[Anonymous No.7567251]

>>7567209
I liked the gay, rape and incest in Fifth Head of Cerberus series.

[Anonymous No.7567253]

>>7567209
Other Wolfe works?
Chesterton and Borges, Man Who was Thursday and Fictions.

[Anonymous No.7567268]

>>7567008
Help me come up with a story for it!

I originally thought of the hair things as a means of facilitating a race of alien emissaries that would represent the most generalized form of intelligence possible and that would, after coming into contact with another alien civilization, begin to parametrize themselves to be more in line with said civilization for the purposes of eventually acting as the go-betweens for the original manufacturers and the new group.

This was before the 3D ROM/genome idea, which lead to a more generalized version of the technology. Now it could have been more like some alien civilization's equivalent of the printed circuit board, ubiquitous in all of their technology and able to make anything from static objects to the original emissary idea depending on the genome used. That's just kind of back-story though, the story I was envisioning concerns itself mostly with the emissary part of it.

[Anonymous No.7567718]

Here sf&fg, I made this for you.

[Anonymous No.7567756]

>>7567718
Not bad, although I don't recognize all the novels.

[Anonymous No.7567833]

>>7567718
>The Last Question
Good taste desu

[Anonymous No.7567857]

>>7567718
Damn that's some good shit and some new recs to me.
I don't know about that Vance though. Dying Earth is good, but it's not his best. You should put the Jack Vance Treasury on there instead. It's got the best excerpts from Dying Earth (Couple adventures of Cugel, Guyal of Sfere, Chun the Unavoidable) along with his other greats like Dragon Masters, Last Castle and Moon Moth.

I would also suggest Otherwise by John Crowley on there. Collection of his first three novels, all science fiction, The Deep, Beasts, and Engine Summer. The Deep is the stand out, but Engine Summer is also very, very good. Beasts is ok.

[Anonymous No.7567863]

>>7567718
>The Lathe of Heaven
I too remember highschool.