/lit/ - Literature

[reddit shitposter n. 4356 seri(...) No.7521527]

How do we fix /lit/?

[9gagisthenewsecretbclub No.7521534]

>>7521527
by fixing le human condishen

[Anonymous No.7521546]

We kill all the redditors/marxists/normalfags

[ay No.7521551]

>>7521546
poldit pls go

[Anonymous No.7521563]

>>7521551
Ypboates xddddd

[Anonymous No.7521573]

We could start by actually reading books.

[Anonymous No.7521575]

>>7521573
this is the last thing we all want to do though.

[Anonymous No.7521579]

Stirner

[Anonymous No.7521586]

4chan janitors who originated from /lit/

[Anonymous No.7521594]

>>7521546
>marxists
We kill all the people who think that anyone but reddiotrs and normalfags are the problem
>muh discourse

[Anonymous No.7521602]

>>7521527
a new trilogy...
is necessary to revitalize the creative collective spirit after the pomo trilogy schism and propel us toward a new era of dank memes
i propose a strawpoll to determine which new trilogy shall be the accepted as the new standard

[Anonymous No.7521606]

make one general /nonlit/ thread that's always up for shitposting and smalltalk, ban non/lit/ threads on sight otherwise

[Anonymous No.7521611]

We get Hiroyuki into DFW.

[Anonymous No.7521616]

>>7521527
stop promoting top 100 lists so people won't associate reading a finite group of authors as being "well-read." better promotion of lesser known authors in a way that isn't a relative meme i.e. new meme trilogies. pce

[Anonymous No.7521620]

Ban all posters but me.

[Anonymous No.7521625]

>>7521573
heh

[Anonymous No.7521633]

>>7521616
We need top 100s, so we get people reading the same books and then being able to discuss them. If we just suggested some obscure bunch of authors, the discussion would wither up.

[Anonymous No.7521636]

Permaban all Infinite Meme and Pynchon fanboys on sight.

[Anonymous No.7521638]

>>7521602

[Anonymous No.7521639]

>>7521527
build the wall

[Anonymous No.7521657]

Bring Butterfly and marxists back to scare away visitors from http://reddit.com/r/youngconservative

[Anonymous No.7521678]

>>7521636
This, sb should flood the inbox of the new 4chan owner with this demand

[Anonymous No.7521693]

>>7521636
This. Heinrich is right. We've entered a new era of DeLilloPosters.

[Anonymous No.7521703]

>>7521636
bullshit. i don't think reddit could ever approach the collective intelligence required to comprehend the subtle nuances of gravity's rainbow or v.

[Anonymous No.7521713]

>>7521657
good idea to be honest.

i like that dworking meme poster as well.

[Anonymous No.7521717]

/lit/ should just read more

This way people can respond to what they're reading rather than rehash the same pointless topics

[Anonymous No.7521731]

>>7521527
Mandatory essays testing basic reading comprehension as captchas

[Anonymous No.7521747]

>>7521527
We don't, we best board.

[Anonymous No.7522098]

Be good to each other.

[Anonymous No.7522131]

You accept that having one place on the Internet where people disagree with your tastes is actually kind of alright and fuck off back to Reddit

[Anonymous No.7522141]

>implying it needs to be fixed

LIT IS PERFECT YOU SPOOK LOLROFL PYNCHON

[Anonymous No.7522142]

>>7522131
No, seriously, /lit/ is pretty much the only place I've found that discusses the books it does, even if it's hidden below a pile of shitposting. I'm legit buttmad at the prospect that we might be slowly turning into yet another r/books clone by people who whine about pretentiousness or some other arbitrary self-serving judgement.

[Anonymous No.7522156]

When people start to post opinions and analyses of books that aren't frequently encountered rather than having three threads about DFW, another two about Thomas Pynchon, maybe one about Joyce, and two about The Meme Trilogy going all at once.

[Anonymous No.7522179]

>>7521527
First time I've been here in 6 months. Not sure why.

[Anonymous No.7522186]

NO BULLYING

[Anonymous No.7522202]

>>7521527
By actually discussing literature. I mean, how many threads up right now are explicitly about the content of a book? To answer that, less than 3

[Anonymous No.7522222]

>>7521534
>>7521546
>>7521573
>>7521575
>>7521594
>>7521602
>>7521620
>>7521633
>>7521636
>>7521703
>>7521717
New desu senpai

All newfags need a two year minimum before posting. That should fix it

[Anonymous No.7522229]

>>7522202
This.

[Anonymous No.7522232]

>>7521573

[Anonymous No.7522236]

>>7522142
WE WON'T HAVE REDDIT RULE

[Anonymous No.7522245]

>>7522232
See
>>7522222

[Anonymous No.7522291]

/lit/ is a beautiful clusterfuck that transcends the fixed/broken dichotomy

Only here in the Heraclitian cesspools of the internet can I find 300+ post threads of Don Delillo/John Greene meta-memes and Robert Frost shitposting.

I love you guys so much that sometimes I hate you. You're like family.

[Anonymous No.7522293]

>>7522156
This. Said threads are usually just memes anyway. The Stoner discussion from a few days ago is a good example of the threads we should try to make/ post in.

[Anonymous No.7522301]

>>7522293
Stoner discussion is the a meme, it's the most reddit shit there is...
You should probably off yourself!

[Anonymous No.7522305]

>>7522301
>>7522236
>>7522141
Someone is mad

[Anonymous No.7522306]

>>7522222
Look, I'll come out and say I'm a newfag. I've lurked a bit, and I tried participating with articulate arguments.
90% of the answers I get are memes, or "shit taste" and the like. And comments that show pretty clearly thet people comment on books they have not read, but are just regurgitating comments heard elsewhere.
Is all the board newfags then?

[Anonymous No.7522316]

>>7522301
>It's the most Reddit shite there is
Well, Atleast it's not spamming the author's face all over. But that sure isn't Reddit, right? If Reddit were an image-board then it would have created DFW posting.

[Anonymous No.7522326]

>>7522306
leave and take ur fellow redditors with u pls tbvh fa.m

[Anonymous No.7522339]

>>7522232
>>7522232
LOL

[Anonymous No.7522345]

>>7522306
guys

right now

who is heaven

he posts everwhere

is he a tripfag

heaven is a jerk

[Anonymous No.7522365]

>>7522305
MAD

[Anonymous No.7522366]

>>7522326
>reddit

I'm a newfag but I'm not the only one here I see.

[Anonymous No.7522375]

>>7522291
i'm on acid, please give me good music

i love you too man

[Anonymous No.7522390]

>>7522375
Steve Reich has always been my go to while tripping

Enjoy anon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCkd46hcRag

[Anonymous No.7522395]

>>7522366
u

[Anonymous No.7522411]

>>7522245

Shut the fuck up you little worm. You have know clue what you are talking about, I've been coming to lit for about 5 years now anon, practically since it started. I've read hundreds of books, some of them pleb escapism true, but I've also read Plato, I've read Aristotle, the Cynics, the Skeptics, the Stoics, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius, Descartes, Hume, Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Russell, Wittgenstein. I've read comparative mythology, psychology/psychoanalysis, I've studied chemistry, drug culture, physics. I've read Goethe Mircea Eliade, Joseph Campbell, Jung, Freud, Alan Watts, that group. I've read the Bible, the Quran, studied Gnosticism, Taoism, Buddism. I could go on.


>tl;dr

YOU get the fuck off MY board, I will crush you like a bug.

[Anonymous No.7522412]

Enforce non-fiction reading as the supreme meme

[Anonymous No.7522420]

>>7522411

>know clue
>no clue

fix'd

[Anonymous No.7522422]

>>7522411
...But still in matters vegetable, animal and mineral, I am the very model of a Modern Major General!

[satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.7522425]

Stan

[Anonymous No.7522426]

>>7522411
>no Leibniz

Stay pleb

[Anonymous No.7522428]

>>7522420
Screw off, dumbnuts.

[Anonymous No.7522431]

>>7522425

You dont have the answers stan. You never did.

[satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.7522436]

>>7522431

Im here for the keks. Strictly. Them "answers" you seek dont exist. Right back into your mother's cunt for all the warmth you need for the rest of your life. You shit eating son of a bitch

[Anonymous No.7522437]

>>7522426

>implying you need to read Leibniz once you've realized how thoroughly he got BTFO by Voltaire

I'm thinking it's you that's pleb m8

[Anonymous No.7522446]

>>7522436
fake stan pls go

[Anonymous No.7522450]

>>7522437
>Leibniz
>one of the greatest polymaths to ever live
>relegated to a single assertion that we live in the best of all possible worlds
>implying this assertion doesn't hold true
>implying Voltaire wasn't btfo the second the problems of moral and natural evil were solved
>implying Candide wasn't anthropocentric drivel

Please come back when you've read more than a wikipedia summary

[Anonymous No.7522454]

>>7522436
BTFO. Satan bringing the bantz.

[Anonymous No.7522457]

>>7522450

Hmm. You are still a son of a bitch, but I might look into Leibniz because I was looking solely at his assertion that we live in the best of all possible worlds which I disagree with wholly.

[Anonymous No.7522458]

>>7521527
We all need to read more Gene Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.7522466]

>>7522458

Couldn't hurt, some of the more literary science fiction you'll ever read.

[Anonymous No.7522477]

>>7522411

Is this the lit version of "What the fuck did you just say about me you little bitch?!" pasta?

[Anonymous No.7522486]

>>7522436
hi goats

[Anonymous No.7522507]

>>7522486
My Stanley impression would be better than that.

[Anonymous No.7522619]

start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.7522665]

>>7521527
> 1) Ignore shitposts
> 2) Respond to quality posts
> 3) Abide by the 4:1 rule (for every 1 hour on 4chan, spend 4 reading books, book reviews, literary articles and criticisms)
> 4) Post about books after you read them, not before
> 5) Be nice to one another

[Anonymous No.7522733]

>>7522411
*HERACLITEAN

[Anonymous No.7523320]

>>7522222
Fucking checked

[Anonymous No.7523860]

>>7522293

I take that as a compliment because I started the thread. I'm reading Gravity's Rainbow for the first time right now and will try to get a good discussion going on that when I finish. I know it's always talked about on here but I usually just see it being memed out rather than people doing close readings of passages, discussing themes, characters, etc.

[Anonymous No.7523866]

>>7523860
Godspeed anon. Hope people talk about the book instead of spamming the Inbred Author's pic.

[Anonymous No.7523925]

By reading more Dworkin.

[Anonymous No.7523956]

>>7523925
Please sell me on Dworkin.

[Anonymous No.7523963]

>>7522390
late thank you, just pulled myself mostly out to Safe As Milk

[Anonymous No.7523986]

>>7523925
Based Dworkin poster
MEME THIS NOW

[Anonymous No.7524037]

>>7523956

[Anonymous No.7524041]

[Anonymous No.7524045]

>>7524037
>>7524041
What a nonentity.

[Anonymous No.7524059]

Too lazy to post the whole Our Blood preface (gotta cut it up to have more pages per image so it isn't so many), so some other stuff here.

[Anonymous No.7524060]

This one is co-authored by Catharine MacKinnon. It's heavily about law, so MacKinnon is the expert there.

[Anonymous No.7524061]

We need liquidate the plebs as a class

[Anonymous No.7524063]

I'm trying to teach LGBT radical feminism but often there's a strong opposition. Possibly I'm not doing it very good.

[Anonymous No.7524066]

>>7524063

Then again, one of my posts has apparently incredibly resonated with a transsexual individual who was browsing the board.

That made me incredibly happy. I made sure it's not someone pulling my leg. In fact we will try keeping in touch.

See what mere radical feminist learning can help you achieve.

[Anonymous No.7524068]

>>7524063

What do you mean LGBT? I thought radical feminism was LGB anti T

[Anonymous No.7524071]

>>7521602
Ready Player One, Snow Crash and GoT Book 1

[Anonymous No.7524073]

>>7524068
>I thought radical feminism was LGB anti T
There are some very anti-T radfems but it's not a must.
Have sympathy for everyone (and acknowledge medical facts such as body dysmorphia) and you can be very helpful to trans individuals by using radfem teachings as guidance, as seen above.

[Anonymous No.7524080]

pic unrelated

Here's radfem misconception-clearing copypasta for LGBT, for what it's worth:

Radfems:

- Are all about structural analysis of our society (culture, politics, economy), and shit on "personal empowerment" when it ignores structural problems. It's a legitimate move for woman's lib to criticize a "slutty" woman for being that way; after all she causes this whole notion of "dirty sexuality" to be strengthened. It does not mean wishing harm to that woman. It does not make radical feminism "misogynist", it makes it intelligent, and means it doesn't get swayed by shallow notions of "personal empowerment" that ignore deep, structural problems with the situation of women in our society.

- Argue for civil rights remedies for women who can prove in court to be hurt by specific publications of porn. They are also opposed to porn that reinforces the idea that sex is something inherently dangerous, related to dominance, etc. On the other hand, they are opposed to obscenity laws because those laws have the same implication that sexuality is inherently dirty.

- Oppose prostitution and other things furthering a conception of sexuality as something commodified, rooted in objectification, etc. However they are sex positive in the sense that they wish for people to genuinely love each other as much as possible.

- Criticize the dominance/submission based sexuality in some gay communities and gay porn. They are not opposed to gays in general; to the contrary, homosexuality is essentially a statement against patriarchal marriage ideals.

- Criticize the strengthening of gender stereotypes due to some people's misinterpretation of transsexuality ("being a woman means wearing dresses and being submissive"), and some people's obsession over transsexual rights at the expense of women's rights. However they don't support discrimination of transsexuals; transsexuality is a way of shitting on the patriarchy by saying fuck you, I live whatever gender identity fits my brain.

[Anonymous No.7524102]

>>7523925
>>7524063

I have a certain level of respect for Dwarkin because she admits men are different than women by calling them all inherently rapists.
But her views are so fucking retarded, and inconsistent.
This gender-fluid and gender spectrum shit, its true to a point. there is a transitory space between man/women. but its not stable and its not a fixed gender. new genders aren't going to emerge because we stop hating trans people.

Trans are the wild goose of femtards, you fix the trans issue and virtually nothing changes and you are going to realize oh shit even all these trans people still basically fall into male/female, except with some asterisks like woman with a dick or man with no dick. you call it "third gender" and move on, but the people in that third gender are always man/woman with asterisks, not any mythical actual third gender.

[Anonymous No.7524113]

[Anonymous No.7524126]

>>7524102
>she admits men are different than women by calling them all inherently rapists
Hahaha, LOL, no, she explicitly talks about how our culture raises boys to become so.

>inconsistent
Not at all, though you see her ways of expressing herself change. In Woman Hating she talks about "pedophilia" and how child sexuality would flourish in a revolutionized world, in later works she talks about "pedophiles" in the sense of child rapists and says she'd like to kill them. Inconsistency in how to use the p-word if you will, but that's all.

>but its not stable and its not a fixed gender
Yes, that's the whole point.

>new genders aren't going to emerge because we stop hating trans people
People will generally stop having such hard constraints on their gender expression. You will see a certain mold between genders, and discrimination of all sorts of gender behavior (effeminate men, masculine women, and anything in between) will stop.

>you fix the trans issue and virtually nothing changes and you are going to realize oh shit even all these trans people still basically fall into male/female
They don't. Transsexuality seems mostly a result of fairly concrete neurological problems that lead to body dysmorphia. That's solved with HRT/SRS/etc. such that a person's biological sex is changed to a certain degree. It doesn't need to be changed *fully* to alleviate the dysphoria. Also, a lot of the distress of trans people comes from not fitting into society, which would end if we fully allowed effeminate men and masculine women. Some people who transition now would possibly stop caring about transitioning. Some would keep doing SRS and stuff to overcome body dysmorphia.

There is no talk of a material third gender in Dworkin's works. There's a fluid androgyny that's characterized by lack of people's "carelessness" about gender. Nobody's disputing that humans are sexually dimorphic, it's just that the biological sex of a person has little relevance to their personality.

[Anonymous No.7524148]

>>7524126
>lack of people's "carelessness"
Derp.
Lack of caring. People's carelessness.
Didn't mean to double-negative.

[Anonymous No.7524163]

>>7521616
>>7521633

How about ebook sharethreads? Start with essentials and /lit/core and keep them in OP for future threads, all while posting relevant titles and recommendations - there'll still be shitposting but thats inevitable, but its ridiculous how many people on /lit/ have read so little. "I havent read the source material" is a retarded excuse for posting a retarded comment.

[Anonymous No.7524176]

T A R
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[Anonymous No.7524193]

>>7522222
checked, sadly it only matters on /b/

[Anonymous No.7524212]

>>7524163
There used to be daily sharethreads, the best ones with a short description of what makes the book so good

They are however a bitch to keep up, but feel free to start new ones

[Anonymous No.7524218]

>>7524126
Nice try dwarkin apologists.

She knew men are different and its not just in the raising she just gives the answer that fits into her theory of gender, and her idea of androgyny is that everyone fits into the third gender and that pure man or pure conceptual woman are impossible horizons.

you also cant "solve" a tranny. Lets be real, its a mans brain in a female body or vice versa. If they could totally swap the body they would. that is the only real "solve", its just impossible.
all HRT SRS snippy snips and w/e are all just to help the person cope with the violent dysmorphia or whatever

If you believe for a second that if society lessened their expectations on male/female that these people would think their body was a-okay you are retarded.

effeminate men and masculine women would gain some comforts by lessened gender roles i will concede; but many of those things that are the most painful about not being masculine or feminine would not.
for example, for a feminine guy just people allowed to exist and not be made fun of or whatever is not the painful part. Its that you are not desired by women and you are more likely to get cucked etc. Don't try and argue that these things disappear if you let cucks be cucks and separate fatherhood from genetic parenting and the shame currently involved in the missmatch. Its not the same. Adopting a child is a no shame fatherhood, getting cucked is your wife literally biologically acknowledging your inferiority as a male. No slacking of gender roles will make that feminine guy not wish he was more masculine.

[Anonymous No.7524222]

>>7521527
you have to fix the root cause: literature education

english classes are a joke: their scope is limited, the book choices are stale, the canon isn't delved into much etc.

obviously this is much easier said than done because children don't really like school all that much, but it would make a board about literature much better.

[Anonymous No.7524242]

>>7524218
>She knew men are different and its not just in the raising she just gives the answer that fits into her theory of gender
Nobody is disputing that men tend to have a dick.
What is being disputed is that having a dick makes you a more valuable human being, and/or means you have to be aggressive, and/or etc. etc.

>its a mans brain in a female body or vice versa.
http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-10/30/male-female-brain-difference-not-significant

>all HRT SRS snippy snips and w/e are all just to help the person cope with the violent dysmorphia or whatever
When done well, it's sufficient to make the person as happy as the average cis.
I'm sure the masses of beer-bellied men and cellulite-ridden women aren't 100% happy with their body either.

>If you believe for a second that if society lessened their expectations on male/female that these people would think their body was a-okay you are retarded.
I think it's you who's being retarded by refusing to acknowledge the power of beauty norms and the ridiculously high standards set by media.
Companies pour millions of dollar into advertisement because they know it works.

>many of those things that are the most painful about not being masculine or feminine
I don't think there are any such legitimate concerns.

>women won't like you if you're effeminate
Justin Bieber and a trillion other effeminate male idols?

>cuck cuck cuck
Your deep insecurities are really seeping into that post, anon.

[Anonymous No.7524278]

>>7524242
I'm not gonna really go into my disagreements because I'm not in the mood to be academic, and that's not your fault.

My biggest point of contention is the articles you posted about the brain difference not being substantial. I haven't read those two articles in particular, but I've seen the stuff they are talking about. Yes the male/female differences are nuanced. but you can still tell a male and female brain apart and the architecture of certain regions does change.

on the body dysmorphia thing, yes the treatment helps.if it makes the persons life livable then good, but i would also say that the worst body dysmorphia felt by normal men and women is also related to not resembling their brain gender. men who have breasts or wide hips, women who become to blimped out they are not human looking etc.

cuck cuck cuck, I cucked some guy who is raising my kid now and its become my total consuming fear.


anyways thanks for your responses, if i was more into it I think it would be a worthwhile conversation.