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7450149 No.7450149 [Reply] [Original]

Has there ever been a piece of literature capable of eliciting as much emotion in 10 seconds as Goya's "Saturn" does in 10 seconds of viewing it?

>> No.7450154

>viewing Art for a mere few seconds

Pleb.

>> No.7450158

meh, not a fan of that work, i mean it's ok but overrated af

>> No.7450171
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>>7450158

Right?

Even fucking Bacon's "Pope Innocent X" creates more emotion in five seconds than a lifetime of staring at Goya's Saturn

>> No.7450190
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I call this piece "1"

>> No.7450447
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>> No.7450454

>>7450447

Almost laughable in comparison

They thought that an expression of pain?

>> No.7450455

>>7450447
God damn was Rubens incapable of painting things that don't look like sex?

>> No.7450458

>>7450149
Get this Attack on Titan shit outta here.

>> No.7450459

>>7450171
>posts most overrated bacon painting
I like it tho

>> No.7450464
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>>7450455

>> No.7450465

>>7450149
Leaves of grass DESU

Stanza 6. Same sense of crashing, overwhelming emotion

>> No.7450471
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>>7450171
>discount goya is better than goya

?????

>> No.7450475

>>7450458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbaz5gwtQOA

Thread theme

>> No.7450476
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>>7450471

You actually place Goya above Bacon?

I'm asking honestly here, I've never met anyone that fucking retarded.

>> No.7450477

>>7450149
Visual art will always win this race because the visual bandwidth is so much larger than the auditory. It's a rare picture that takes more than 10 seconds to read, whereas literature and music generally barely begin in that time.

>> No.7450479

Don't know, but good paintings give alot more in 10 seconds then Goya's meme giant.

>inb4 Goya was good
I know, but Attack On Titan.jpg isn't

>> No.7450481
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>> No.7450483

>>7450464
Ya but that's also a really sub-par painting by Ruben's standards tho. It's boring.

>> No.7450490
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>>7450479

>> No.7450495

>>7450476
Are you actually 18-20 just out of a arts focus program, or first 2 years of a useless cultural studies degree?

Bacon is an interesting novelty, but not even approaching anything close to what Goya accomplished.

>> No.7450496
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(I) Goya's saturn is trash, only plebs like it. It looks cartoonish, and if you get emotional looking at it, it's because you're autistic.

(II) Literature is not the same as visual art. Visual art is made to be engaged with in a short amount of time. Literature is meant to be engaged with over a longer amount of time, as you read it. Medium-specific qualities are important to individual art forms. It's stupid to judge painting and literature with the same criteria.

(III) Yes, actually. Many short poems and works of "flash fiction" do, and do a much better job. Hemingway's one-sentence short story-- "For sale: baby shoes, never worn"-- is a good example. You could also of course find very moving excerpts in longer novels that you could read within 10 seconds. But again, the beauty of literature isn't typically meant to be appreciated in a 10-second span, and also, that painting doesn't at all elicit the emotion that you claim it does.

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>>7450479
2

>> No.7450499

>>7450490

>Meme: The Painting

It's actually an awful picture that makes anyone with an semblance of art history education cringe.

>> No.7450510

>>7450496

>He thinks wide-eyes are emotionally appealing

Way to miss the entire point of the painting in favor of base reactions.

I bet you also think red baboon asses are more appealing than the Venus de Milo

>> No.7450511

>>7450483
it's by Ivan Kramskoy, not Ruben. i didnt mean to post it to you in particular.

>> No.7450513

Bacon fags ITT, post your favorite lit in response.

Lets see how shit your taste really is.

>> No.7450516

>>7450149
The Second Coming by Yeats or The Hollow Men by T.S. Eliot

>> No.7450522
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>>7450479
3

>> No.7450524
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>>7450496
that guy's a fucking genius, Repin?

>> No.7450528

>>7450510
sorry, should have added ">inb4 critique of this painting, because i'm on /lit/ to talk about literature and don't care about pantings"

>> No.7450529

>>7450476
>bad opinions
>posts anime image

checks out

>> No.7450540

>>7450499
>bullshit about people I don't know
It's a work adored and respected by anyone who ever studied art. Also, A painting being one of the most famous ever created, even if by exaggeration of the mass, does not make it a meme. Being spammed on an image board due to anime resemblance makes it a meme.

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>>7450481
Freud>Bacon
Awkwardness of Truth > Brutality of Facts

>> No.7450553

>>7450476
Embarrassing family

>> No.7450558

>>7450499
Tell me more, o wise one

>> No.7450561
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>> No.7450571

>>7450496
> Goya's saturn is trash, only plebs like it.

Strong b8 pleb

>> No.7450574

>>7450561
HOHOHOHO, that's funny. who would have thought it eh? that rothko, clever fucker. notice the pimp hat? fucking expertly placed.

>> No.7450581

>>7450497
Chagall is nice but I find his markmaking a touch faggy for my taste. Anyone else feel that feel?

>> No.7450586

>>7450496
>repin
YES
>your opinion on goya
NO

>> No.7450589

>>7450149
The American Constitution.

>> No.7450594

>>7450495
>>7450529
>>7450553
I agree on Goya being greater than Bacon, but this is an overreaction. Bacon was incredible, it's not too weird to like him more than Goya.

>> No.7450605

>>7450594
liking him more and placing him in a position of more importance are very different things anon.

>> No.7450607

>>7450594
Still embarrassing to imply anyone who ranks bacon below goya is "fucking retarded"

>> No.7450608

>>7450581
(I posted him)
I can sorta relate to what you're saying, but I still find his art breathtaking. I feel like it's worth getting over some aesthetic digestion.

>> No.7450617

>>7450605
>>7450607
Yeah, I agree with both of you completely. The comments I replied to just came off a straight pan.

>> No.7450622

>>7450608
He's undoubtedly an artistic genius, and I do very much enjoy his work, it just comes off somewhat limp wristed and for me that detracts from the joy I take in his incredible skill.

>> No.7450628

>>7450149
>literature effect
>in 10 seconds
Maybe a good haiku or other short poem, but the dynamics of literature are so different from visual art that maybe that example doesn't even apply.

>> No.7450632

>>7450622
I feel you.

>> No.7450681

>>7450571
>>7450586
goya's fine
who cares about saturn?
it's totally whatever

>> No.7450709
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>>7450545
This desu senpai.

>> No.7450723
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>> No.7450729
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>>7450447
took me an hour to find this is in my pepe folder

>> No.7450733

>>7450729
worth it. one hell of a fuckin pepe.

>> No.7450737

>>7450545
what is awkward about freud? that he uses regular people as models? he has nice strokes and planes of colour. his early cartoonish ones are absolute shit.

>> No.7450741

>>7450545
this is bad
>>7450709
this one's nice

>> No.7450834
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>>7450737
It's an expression used about him by some art critic. It was a response to Francis Bacon's work being described as 'The Brutality of Fact'.
Since they were friends and contemporaries people always compared everything they did.

The awkward part is probably in reference in how he manages to focus on certain aspects of the models. It is not always the most charming portraits, but not something that can be considered a 'lie'.

Don't ban pls. it's art.

>> No.7451037

>>7450729
Now THAT is a rare pepe

>> No.7451139
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>art thread on /lit/
>mfw

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>> No.7451184

>>7450516
The Hollow Men isn't close to The Second Coming

>> No.7451689

>>7450171
Why the fuck is the pope beaming aboard the Enterprise?
I don't remember that episode.

>> No.7451780

>>7450729
jesus

>> No.7452879

>>7450475
lol

>> No.7453148

>>7451139

See >>7450510

Wide eyes aren't quality replacements for actual emotion.

>> No.7453198

>>7450149
If any question why we died
Tell them, because our fathers lied

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>>7450149
>>7450510
>>7453148
Did you literally just try to start art shit on /lit/ and throw in a gay-ass meaningless interdisciplinary comparison to justify your levels of retardness and then shitpost both on those who disagree with you and those who call you out for being a retard?

>pic related

>> No.7453204

>>7450729
Rare as shit

How much can you sell it to me for?

>> No.7453209

>>7453201
OP's point seems to be that visual art holds more "emotional punch" than literature, but wide-eyes shitposter seems to be arguing against that. I'm not sure they're the same person.

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>>7450447
I actually prefer this one, Goya's is interesting but I always felt that Saturn is vicious and resolute rather than pained at his duty, Goya wants to portray it like he's chained to the cycle of eating his child, but Rubens shows the same thing with more verocity
And that sucking bite vortex into the mouth is so fucking awesome

>> No.7453239

>>7450499
it's not awful but it is a meme. /lit/ loves meme art

>> No.7453243

>>7450496
fuck this painting

>> No.7453249

>>7450149
The Bustle in a House
The Morning after Death
Is solemnest of industries
Enacted opon Earth –

The Sweeping up the Heart
And putting Love away
We shall not want to use again
Until Eternity –

>> No.7453254

>>7453209
doesn't matter to me, I'm here for /lit/ and will continually fight against retards who post in the wrong board.

for meme-related reasons,
TOP 3 ARTS IN ORDER:
1. literature
2. music
3. painting

OP can take his faggot shit back to lebbit

>> No.7453257

>>7453254
pleb spotted

take your fucking dream pop back to /mu/

>> No.7453259

>>7453257
OP detected
nice try faggot
painting<literature
you're on the wrong board

>anhero implied

>> No.7453260
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Literature for this feel?

>> No.7453263

>>7453259
hell no i'm not getting all giddy over art history 101 goya son and you have an underdeveloped sense of art. you should probably go elsewhere, i don't care where

>> No.7453265

>>7453260
Shit, who's this guy? I used to have an art book with one of his that was insane

>> No.7453268

>>7453263
you realize you are un-ironically literally posting on the literal board for literature called /lit/ right?

you are literally retarded and I hope you stay mad that I don't care about your art history

>> No.7453276

there will never be a work of literature that will make me feel such an intense sense of grief as the end of fucking firewing by kenneth oppel.

I feel fucked up and closed off from the world

>> No.7453277

>>7453265
Egon Schiele

>> No.7453281

>>7453268
yes i do realise that and i realise that i post more insightful and well-realised commentary on literature than you do because i'm not some arrogant friendless shithead

keep bumping the thread. i'm sure you have a lot more important things to share

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>>7453277
Thanks, here's the one I was thinking of in case anybody cares

>> No.7453289

>>7453281
oh yeah care to point to any of those well-realized commentaries on literature in this goya thread that was started by OP who is obviously trolling for responses?

>commentary
>kek

>> No.7453299

>>7450729
What a time to be alive

>> No.7453343
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7453343

Many of Dworkin's writings or speeches easily bring me to tears.

>> No.7453367

>>7453343
duuuuuuhhh

^ me trying to speak your language

du duuuh ooga booga ooga duuh duuh ugh ... duuuuh *frrrt* duh

>> No.7453375

>>7453367
the other day i cried while watching monster's inc

dont judge me too hard

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I like straight weird ones

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>>7453375
I deleted everything I'd ever written (about six years worth of writing) because of a single beautiful scene in Inside Out.

get on my FUCKING level