/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7429571]

>he still watches porn

[Anonymous No.7429576]

>>7429571
I don't watch porn or masturbate anymore.

[Anonymous No.7429581]

>>7429571
I quit after James Deen rape allegations.

Porn is inherently misogynist.

[Anonymous No.7429585]

>>7429581
This. It's extremely demeaning not only to women but also to sex and intimacy itself.

[Anonymous No.7429586]

why wouldn't i

[Anonymous No.7429590]

>>7429581
Maybe it's just because I'm incredibly bitter and jaded, but I'm happy that it's him out of all male pornstars that's a known rapist.

[Anonymous No.7429591]

What about gay porn?

[Anonymous No.7429596]

>>7429591
Still debases sexual intimacy.

[Anonymous No.7429597]

>>7429591
that's even more oppressive. The only good porn is two straight white males being forced to rape each other

[Anonymous No.7429598]

>>7429596
What about non-sexual kemoshota?

[Anonymous No.7429605]

>>7429598
I don't know what the fuck that is.

Commodifying sex and making it this object and the people within it are terrible acts that destroy sex's meaning and hurts you as a person.

[Anonymous No.7429608]

>>7429585
How is gay porn demeaning to women?

[Anonymous No.7429616]

>>7429605
>implying i would have had sex anyway

[Anonymous No.7429621]

>>7429608
anything that depicts any aspect of reality in a way open to a non feminist narrative is demeaning to women.

[Anonymous No.7429623]

>>7429605
>sex's meaning

what are you some fucking catholic lmao

[Anonymous No.7429630]

2d>3dpd

[Anonymous No.7429632]

HOL UP

DONT TRIGGER ME FHAM

[Anonymous No.7429638]

>>7429623
RAPE APOLOGIST

RAPE APOLOGIST

back to /pol/, you scum bag

i hate you poltards so much

[Anonymous No.7429640]

>>7429638
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7429642]

>>7429623
>le nothing has meaning we are le postmodern
>dude this is water lmao

[Anonymous No.7429645]

>>7429638
if you're gonna satirize feminism you should a) actually understand what you're satirizing b) making sure you're in the correct decade for such a satire to be relevant.

[Anonymous No.7429648]

>>7429638
Who are you trying to fool, you retard?
>>>/pol/ebs belong in the >>>/trash/ with porn

[Anonymous No.7429650]

>>7429630
this

proof:

https://vine.co/u/1090320222822514688

[Anonymous No.7429652]

>>7429642
>two fleshblobs bumping into each another has a priori meaning

cool story bro

[Anonymous No.7429654]

>>7429608
Gay porn tends to put one of the guys in a "female" position, furthering the viewpoint that in sex, there is a dominant masculine side, and a submissive feminine side.

Also,
>all these positive responses
/lit/ is now officially my favorite board, far surpassing /a/.

[Anonymous No.7429655]

>>7429645
>>7429648
fedora poltard edgelords need to fuck off lit

nearly every thread has you shits in it

[Anonymous No.7429656]

>>7429652
>two fleshblobs bumping into each another
wanna know how I know you're a virgin?

[Anonymous No.7429658]

>>7429642
>SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING I DONT LIKE
>MUST BE A POSTMODERNIST

Ideological paranoia to the max.

[Anonymous No.7429659]

>>7429652
>let me reduce sex into such a way that makes people who oppose my views look silly!
>let me disregard the emotional and psychological aspects of sexual intercourse and commodify the act to profit over it and exploit women and men's desire for intimacy!

[Anonymous No.7429662]

test

[Anonymous No.7429663]

>>7429656
cause you're intellectually incapable of conceiving people different to you t b h

[Anonymous No.7429665]

Um no. Can you fedora get off my board. Like. Hello.

[Anonymous No.7429666]

>>7429654
Reminder that Dworkin is the queen of /lit/.

>>7429655
Fuck off /pol/.

[Anonymous No.7429669]

>>7429659
u got me

[Anonymous No.7429671]

rip billy glide

[Anonymous No.7429673]

>>7429659
fucking rekt

[Anonymous No.7429680]

>tfw physically unable to fap to anything other than 2D

[Anonymous No.7429686]

I sense bitches

Who wants dick

[Anonymous No.7429688]

All depictions of life that are bought and sold are exploiting the emotional attachments we have to them, therefore they should be banned because whatever fuck you idolatry

[Anonymous No.7429693]

>>7429686
Reminder that this is the type of discourse and level of intellect found among viewers of pornography.

[Anonymous No.7429695]

>>7429688
Muslamics Get Out

[Anonymous No.7429698]

>>7429659
>>let me disregard the emotional and psychological aspects of sexual intercourse and commodify the act to profit over it and exploit women and men's desire for intimacy!

why is this supposed to be wrong

[Anonymous No.7429702]

>>7429695
What makes you think that?

[Anonymous No.7429704]

>>7429698
>>>/g/ulag

[Anonymous No.7429707]

>>7429581
>>7429585
>>7429590

>mfw Dworkin has become a meme writer on /lit/ and people pretend that a spurious accusation = a guarantee

DESTROY GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT NAOW! LISTEN AND BELIEVE

[Anonymous No.7429714]

>almost 2016
>still beliving the 3d meme

[Anonymous No.7429718]

>>7429693
>implying it's unintelligent to pursue the evolutionary directive and propagate my genes

sour incel detected

[Anonymous No.7429720]

>>7429714
This is a SFW board.

[Anonymous No.7429726]

>>7429718
>he disagrees with me! better call him a virgin!
How does viewing pornography propagate your genes? And why do you enjoy being exploited?

[Anonymous No.7429728]

>>7429659
>participating in moral panics
>ignoring the desire for selfish, impersonal lust and base release the bulk of humanity routinely demonstrates

and you say other people are too influenced by media lmao

[Anonymous No.7429731]

>>7429707
dworkin isn't a lit meme, it's just one bored cunt spamming the shit day after day.

I suspect the same cunt is responsible for the upswing in crosslinking boards (>>>/r/eddit, >>>/g/ulag, etc) as a lazy shitpost response to anything they can't otherwise dismiss.

5/10 trolling - could turn into something interesting, but is clumsy and lacks style.

[Anonymous No.7429732]

>>7429728
It's beautiful, anon.

[Anonymous No.7429739]

>>7429659
btfo

[Anonymous No.7429740]

>>7429726
Nice try, but you'll notice I said nothing about viewing porn, instead inquiring as to whether or not THE FEMALES IN THIS THREAD WANT MY DICK

WHO'S MY BITCH
IS IT YOU

[Anonymous No.7429741]

ITT virgins with porn addictions

[Anonymous No.7429742]

>53 replies
>19 posters

[Anonymous No.7429744]

>>7429740
Thanks for proving my point. Leave /lit/ as you are clearly not fit to discuss anything intelligent.

[Anonymous No.7429752]

>>7429744
Stop shitposting already

[Anonymous No.7429754]

>>7429742
who /argue both sides/ here?

[Anonymous No.7429760]

>>7429741
This tbqh.

[Anonymous No.7429761]

STOP TRYING TO SPREAD THE DROWKIN MEME

[Anonymous No.7429765]

>>7429761
It's "Dworkin".

[Anonymous No.7429767]

>>7429765
I DON'T CARE

[Anonymous No.7429769]

>>7429761
Nothing wrong with dark elves you fuggen racist

[Anonymous No.7429771]

>>7429742
Rofl beat me to it m80.

Ima hit the gym, then I'll check the shitposting status here when I'm back, It'll be funny if people honestly get b8'd into another 300 post thread about fucking andrea dworkin.

Yo btw, am i still a misogynist if i'm a massive faggot that likes getting railed by manly men from behind?

[Anonymous No.7429772]

>>7429767
Are you triggered? Agitated? Reddit might serve as a better place for you.

[Anonymous No.7429775]

>>7429771
>this is how people who watch porn speak

[Anonymous No.7429831]

>>7429775
This is lazy shitposting.
I don't give two shits about dworky, but this is /lit/. If you shitpost pls try to do it with style.

[Anonymous No.7429951]

I don't watch porn, I read it. Honestly haven't been able to get off to 3d porn in over 9 years. Just not very sexually stimulating and women are ugly.

[Anonymous No.7429953]

>meme

Dworkin actually writes in a pretty fucking amazing tone, and her ideals were/are rock solid. Unsurprisingly, she was incredibly influential.

Nothing to meme or shitpost about.

[Anonymous No.7429981]

>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.7430029]

>>7429981
We're living in a culture permeated by porn.

I fucking *wish* it were all history.

[Anonymous No.7430079]

>>7429953
>>7429775
>>7429772
>>7429771

>mfw im back from the gym and the thread didn't blow up.

There is hope.

[Anonymous No.7430093]

>tfw when this meme will be over faster than the Milibank one

[Anonymous No.7430096]

>>7429571
Now that chrisposters are gone, we get radical feminists? You'll get bored with the board eventually, hun.

[Anonymous No.7430103]

>>7430029
/his/ is a board dedicated to history and humanities, /lit/ is for literature. In other words: pls go.

[Anonymous No.7430126]

>>7430103
YFW feminist literature is not literature now.

[Anonymous No.7430129]

Do any of you even know what Dworkin looks like?

I actually read her until I found out what she looks like, now everything she says is invalid.

[Anonymous No.7430135]

>>7430129
That's like refusing to read Sartre because of his eye or refusing to read Mein Kampf because Hitler looked like a fag.

[Anonymous No.7430147]

>>7430135

>refusing to read Sartre because of his eye

That's fine if you read Camus and Stirner because they good-looking instead.

[Anonymous No.7430149]

>>7430147
>they good-looking instead

[Anonymous No.7430151]

>>7430129
top fucking kek, I'm going to hide and report this thread for obscenity

[Anonymous No.7430152]

>>7430135
Sorry but what she said wasn't all that convincing anyway. And I'm still primal enough to judge women by their appearance and attractiveness.

[Anonymous No.7430156]

>>7430152
>Sorry but what she said wasn't all that convincing anyway
Good for you.
>And I'm still primal enough to judge women by their appearance and attractiveness
And I don't give a damn about what you think. Continue to feel smug about your superficial tendencies though.

[Anonymous No.7430157]

>>7430129
10/10 post made me actually laugh out loudly.

I genuinely think she has a cranky but warm smile. Exactly what you'd expect from someone of that level of jadedness.

Molestation as a 9 year-old, prostitution as a young adult, sexual violence/abuse at a women's detainment center, battered by a sadistic husband for years, worked in rape shelters to help women, some of whom, among other things, had first-hand experience seeing men raping infants. Try to remain sane and still be able to lucidly write books after that.

[Anonymous No.7430163]

>>7429571
I don't watch porn, I can just close my eyes and imagine anything before me. Usually I'll write a small erotic stories to which I masturbate.

[Anonymous No.7430169]

Who the fuck cares about what gets you off or doesn't and why should be force people to stop doing something like this?
Actors get paid and people consume it willingly. It isn't the most healthy way to do it, but it has worked for years without too much trouble. If you are concerned about Women position on porn, I think that you need to revise your priorities: Women all around the world have much harder and bigger problems, in societies where they are equal to goods, and instead of giving THEM the importance they need, you take the resources to ban porn.

Just let people choose.

[Anonymous No.7430173]

>literature
>/lit/
>literature
>/lit/
>literature
>/lit/
>literature
>/lit/

[Anonymous No.7430179]

>>7430169
>someone has it worse off than you do so your problems don't matter
>exploiting sexual desires for profit is completely fine because it was done in the past

[Anonymous No.7430180]

Biology is a more pertinent moving force than culture prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.7430184]

>>7430179
There's nothing wrong with exploiting any desire for profit. Porn isn't the only industry that does it and you aren't entitled to stopping the behavior of consensual adults.

[Anonymous No.7430185]

>>7430179
Again, who cares.

[Anonymous No.7430188]

>>7430184
>consensual adults

[Anonymous No.7430190]

>when i fuck the shit outta my gf and call her my slut
>when i fuck her and touch her clit and make her cum
>when she gets on her knees and lets me cum on her face
>when she says "i'm a slut only for you anon"
>when she we're having sex and says she wants me to just rape her one day
>mfw this isn't even the freakiest girl I've been with

Girls want all the dick they can get. If you haven't realized this your an idiot. They crave that cock like men crave pussy. They live for it.

But we're left at an impasse because what women want to be, and what men want women to be (A cock gobbling slut), is socially tabboo. Can you imagine how hard that is to deal with?

The result is confused feminists who just need a good fucking.

[Anonymous No.7430192]

>>7430169
>Just let people choose.
Liberalism is the only ideology that everyone here agrees is crap.
>>>/basically anywhere else since liberals have the hegemony/

[Anonymous No.7430193]

>>7430188
>>consensual adults
nice meme, liberal

[Anonymous No.7430197]

>>7430184
>There's nothing wrong with exploiting any desire for profit.

[Anonymous No.7430198]

>>7430192
it's time to stop shitposting friend

[Anonymous No.7430203]

>>7430193
>liberal meme
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7430206]

>>7430157
>this happened

[Anonymous No.7430207]

>>7430193
Many women are forced to take those positions because they are impoverished and/or have no other skills..
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.7430208]

>>7429654
That would mean BDSM is inherently sexist as well?

[Anonymous No.7430213]

>>7430198
I'm not the dworkinposter.
>>7430203
Yeah, cuz only reactionaries detest liberals.
>>7430207
And I denied that where?

[Anonymous No.7430214]

>>7430157
That's fucking crazy.

[Anonymous No.7430225]

>>7430208
Yes. It makes women into objects of worship you imbecile shitlord.

[Anonymous No.7430231]

>>7430225
so

goddess worship was common in many ancient cultures

[Anonymous No.7430236]

>>7430213
Ugh. You're just so wrong okay.

[Anonymous No.7430241]

>>7430231
Surprise surprise men have been disgusting pigs since the early days. Thanks for the history lesson imbecile.

[Anonymous No.7430242]

>>7430236
In what way?

[Anonymous No.7430246]

>>7430225
>>7430236
>>7430241
Who are you trying to fool?

[Anonymous No.7430249]

>>7430242
In that you're generalising a whole fucking political thought group you dolt.
>>7430246
What?

[Anonymous No.7430258]

There is no effn way /lit/ is this bad. I'm getting baited so hard.

[Anonymous No.7430259]

>>7429654
You do realize that's how sex biologically works right?

[Anonymous No.7430260]

>>7430156
Keep replying to prove to him how little you care

[Anonymous No.7430263]

>>7430241
>Surprise surprise men have been disgusting pigs
And women have been weak, enervate, emotional baggages since the early days.

[Anonymous No.7430264]

>>7430258
We're great double bluffing ironic post-ironic false-flagging shit-posters

[Anonymous No.7430265]

>>7430249
>In that you're generalising a whole fucking political thought group you dolt.
How the fuck would you ever discuss a ideology without generalizing?

[Anonymous No.7430266]

>>7430260
>>7430258
lol u mad bro xD

[Anonymous No.7430268]

>>7430225
Wouldn't that depend on what the couple is doing? The woman could be worshiping the man.

[Anonymous No.7430269]

>>7429654
GAY SEX IS SEXIST

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

[Anonymous No.7430270]

>>7430129
AHAHAHAH
that's just too real

[Anonymous No.7430272]

>>7430263
Just wow. Grow up and maybe get laid?
>>7430265
By showing some respect for one, do you think politicians just make massive, insulting generalisations on what they don't like? No they fucking don't. Idiot.

[Anonymous No.7430274]

MODS I BEG YOU

[Anonymous No.7430276]

>>7430269
Gay porn has elements of sexism and commodifies sex, exploiting the individuals as objects and the purveyors.

[Anonymous No.7430278]

>>7430268
So you're saying women should submit? Wow you just admitted that you're misogynist trash.

[Anonymous No.7430281]

>>7430272
>Just wow. Grow up and maybe get laid?
You realize that the "men are pigs" comment is literally just as disparaging as a "women are weak" notion?

[Anonymous No.7430285]

>>7430281
You do realize you're replying to an obvious troll?

[Anonymous No.7430286]

>>7430278
Your trolling is impotent

[Anonymous No.7430287]

>>7430281
There's a difference between actually being oppressed and mansplaining.

[Anonymous No.7430288]

>>7430272
>implying that liberalism deserves respect
>implying that politicians are good role models

[Anonymous No.7430290]

>>7430197
>thinking within a moral spectrum
>thinking desires aren't being exploiting by every single industry in our society

[Anonymous No.7430294]

>>7430288
So you've resorted to green texting? Lol ok. You kinda just proved you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.7430295]

>>7430276
MUTUAL PHYSICAL ATTRACTION IS SEXIST.

ADULTS HAVING A MUTUALLY ENJOYABLE SEXUAL EXPERIENCE IS WRONG

THE PURITANS WERE RIGHT

[Anonymous No.7430298]

>>7430290
>moral relativism
>>>/trash/
>other companies do it
Does that make the action right? And sexual exploitation is one of the more serious ones as it can be damaging psychologically and physically to all companies involved.

[Anonymous No.7430300]

>>7430295
It's inherently sexist. You dolt.

[Anonymous No.7430304]

>>7430295
Is strawmanning and using caps the only thing people like you can do? Does it make you feel better?

[Anonymous No.7430305]

>>7430295
>IF SOMEONE ONES REACHED A CONCLUSION FOR THE WRONG REASONS THAT MEANS THAT THE CONCLUSION WAS WRONG

[Anonymous No.7430306]

>>7430287
Mansplaining is a myth that tries to limit male falsification of feminist fancies

[Anonymous No.7430308]

>>7430259
LOLno, that's just how deeply ingrained the assumption is for you.

As Dworkin said, sex will probably survive the destruction of male supremacy.

[Anonymous No.7430310]

>>7430300
No but seriously how is mutual physical attraction sexist?

[Anonymous No.7430311]

>>7430306
>Mansplaining is a myth
The word was coined by a woman describing a man explaining her own book to her as if she didn't know anything about it.

[Anonymous No.7430312]

pic related
/thread/

[Anonymous No.7430313]

>>7430308
sex will survive the destruction of white male supremacy, but then black males will take over

[Anonymous No.7430314]

>>7430306
Men being limited is evidently a good thing you idiot.

>>7430310
At the moment it is a tool of patriarchal power structures.

[Anonymous No.7430315]

>>7430308
Describe your notion of a sexual practice between men and women that isn't sexist.

[Anonymous No.7430322]

>>7430315
A woman killing a man while masturbating.

[Anonymous No.7430324]

>>7430314
>At the moment it is a tool of patriarchal power structures.
So a man can't be attracted to another man?

[Anonymous No.7430327]

>>7430314
>Men being limited is evidently a good thing you idiot.
So you're arguing for feminine supremacy?

[Anonymous No.7430328]

>>7430324
It's completely unethical. Not to fucking mention it enables further misogyny and hate.

[Anonymous No.7430330]

ITT: Deviants with porn addictions trolling other deviants with porn addictions over the evils of porn.

[Anonymous No.7430331]

>>7430310
You're being baited.

Mutual physical attraction per se is obviously nice.

>>7430315
Two people genuinely loving and respecting each other, stimulating each others' body and mind for mutual pleasure.
It could look like pretty much anything. It's mostly mindset. In theory, you could do BDSM or rape play and it could still be non-sexist. However, these would presumably be *extremely* niche fetishes in a normal society. How common they are shows us that things are pretty fucked up. See James Deen also.

[Anonymous No.7430332]

>>7430328
LOL your views overlap with the most extreme right wingers

[Anonymous No.7430336]

>>7430327
I'm arguing for feminism. Don't twist my words to fit your narrative gamergate dolt. >>7430332
Projection.

[Anonymous No.7430337]

>>7430327
>>7430324
Are you guys idiots or something? Someone got so triggered by the four or five actual Dworkin supporters that he's now pretending to be a retarded caricature of a man-hating ideologue to waste your time.

[Anonymous No.7430339]

>>7430157
She also claimed that she was drugged and raped at the age of like 55 while obese as fuck.

Her evidence was that she woke up with a bruise on her chest and a cut on her leg that she didn't know how she got there.

Needless to say, even feminists didn't take it at face value.

>>7430169
The argument is that the very existence of porn normalizes objectification and harmful stereotypes about women.

The funny thing is that these ideas are essentially mutually exclusive. If you're viewing porn (as most people) with an objectification-look at her ass getting rammed then you're not seeing her as a woman. But if you're not seeing her as a woman (and just a object) than you can't establish normalized attitudes towards them.

Which is aside from the infantilization of woman and the outright insult to men's intelligence that such a claim makes. An adult man isn't stupid enough to think that

>>7430207
>He'd rather that women in porno not have an incredibly lucrative job so that they aren't "objectified"
>He claims that "many" are impoverished and have no other skills.

KEK m8.


>>7429771

Yo feminsits is it cool if i get off from being keked, dominated, and being kept in chastity? Or is that still not empowering women enough? I JUST WANT TO ACCEPT MY PRIVILEGE SO BADLY.

Please let me do it. I need to be commanded.

[Anonymous No.7430345]

>>7430311
The word seems vindictive and even sexist. If someone asked me to describe that attitude, I'd say it's arrogant or heavy-handed.

But someone created a word that's intended to describe that particular attitude in terms of an entire gender. It may even be more common among men than women, but to describe it in terms of a gender seems more like a "FUCK YOU MEN" than actually attempting to help understand some phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.7430346]

>>7430339
Pornstars barely earn a thing for the PTSD they have to suffer.

[Anonymous No.7430352]

>>7430331
What a useless observation. There's no reason to go on about porn, methods of intercourse, etc. if what concerns you is how a man thinks, not specifically how he behaves. There's no need to use the most inflammatory, outrageous language imaginable just to say something as innocuous as "don't think you're better than women." How fucking contrived.

>"Intercourse is the pure, sterile, formal expression of contempt for women’s bodies."
If you don't literally mean this, then don't say it. State your views in a more constructive manner.

[Anonymous No.7430358]

Those of you who watch porn just admit it. You don't give a damn if the woman is demeaned or not. Be honest and Nietzschian about it instead of justifying through some ethics bullshit.

[Anonymous No.7430359]

>>7430332
Congratulations. You have successfully been baited.

>>7430339
Dworkin was incredibly lucid despite everything that happened. Her recount of what happened there was actually found much later by her friends, and it was written sort of like a suicide note. If you look into the topic at some depth, it's not unlikely at all that it really happened. There are some men with incredibly weird sexual fetishes out there, and maybe she pissed them off with her attitude. Some men absolutely lose their mind when a woman even just gently implies them to fuck off with her attitude. I wouldn't put it past some dudes to actually do that to Dworkin. Not at all.

>>7430352
Maybe you should start actually reading her books instead of getting baited and reverse-baited and double-extra-reverse-baited about radfems on 4chan, one of the most anti-feminist websites in existence.

[Anonymous No.7430360]

>>7430358
Uh, no one is saying that porn is ethical, we're saying that many of the arugments presented as to why it's unethical are self-evidently bullshit.

[Anonymous No.7430364]

>>7430358
this

[Anonymous No.7430365]

>>7430360
So basically you don't care about women suffering?

[Anonymous No.7430370]

>>7430359
>Maybe you should start actually reading her books
Stop it. If the only people able to comment on her views are those who've read her collected works then your thread would be empty.

[Anonymous No.7430372]

>>7430365
If someone watches porn, yes, they don't care.

They'll make some bullshit up about freedoms and the importance of the market, but in the end their true reason is because they just want to fap and they don't give a damn.

If that's what they want to do, I don't care. But they have no "moral" ground to stand upon.

[Anonymous No.7430379]

>>7430365
We don't accept the premise that porn contributes to suffering you retard. Do you realize how fucking fallacious your comment is?

[Anonymous No.7430380]

>>7430370
I'm not telling you to leave the thread, just to stop assuming inane things about the ideas of a person you know nothing about, when you could just read any of their half dozen nonfiction books elaborating on her ideals.

Woman Hating is just 200 pages, her first book, and a manifesto of sorts for radical feminism. Start with that maybe.

[Anonymous No.7430389]

>>7430372
>Why aren't you voting for us, do you hate poor people or something?

Literally the language of tyrants. Attack the premise, not the motives.

[Anonymous No.7430390]

>>7430379
>don't accept the premise that porn contributes to suffering
Yet it does, and you should feel free to read the book mentioned in the OP to find out about the ways in which it does.
The book is a mere 100 pages or so. (Plus some copies of the Ordinance it analyzes, which you needn't read.)
Free PDF download at http://radfem.org/.. This should be in some sort of sticky. It's an invaluable website.

[Anonymous No.7430392]

>>7430379
>porn doesn't contribute to suffering
>there are women forced into porn, who get psychological problems, who get physically hurt
>people's sexual desires are exploited and commodified as part of global capitalism

[Anonymous No.7430396]

POOR OPPRESSED WOMEN

SHAME ON YOU PROLETARIATS

[Anonymous No.7430403]

Anyone else here that agree with the anti porn arguments but still watch it because you're immoral as fuck?

[Anonymous No.7430404]

>>7430389
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

You look at porn because you want to fap and you don't care about whatever problems porn causes for yourself or the people within the industry. You don't care about the consequences. You just want to be aroused and then to ejaculate.

Don't give me that "freedoms" bullshit. When you fap, you're not thinking about "rights" and "freedoms".

[Anonymous No.7430405]

So what if I watch porn? U mad brah. Fuck women I hate them anyway. It's all there fault I'm a virgin not mine.

[Anonymous No.7430409]

>>7430403
I respect that from a Nietzschian perspective. At least own up to it like a fucking man instead of hiding behind shitty arguments and vague ideologies.

[Anonymous No.7430411]

>>7430392
>farming doesn't contribute to suffering
>there are children forced into farming, who get psychological problems, who get physically hurt
>people's labor is exploited and commodified as part of global capitalism
>and unlike pornography, there are hundreds of millions of destitute farmers all across the world this very moment

[Anonymous No.7430413]

>mfw 170 posts.
>37 posters
>trolls still shilling radfem.org

[Anonymous No.7430416]

>>7430380
Let me point out what you did. You started this thread, and in order to get attention you made some outrageous comments. Then, after people called you out on those outrageous comments and the person you implied they stemmed from, you attack those people by suggesting that that person's actual views are much more tempered than their replies suggested. But what you don't understand is that these criticsms are directed at you. If you misrepresented her views, then you can't ask us to do your work for you by reading her and replying to her actual work when you misrepresent it.

[Anonymous No.7430417]

>>7430411
>false equivalence

[Anonymous No.7430419]

>>7430392
Your post asumes that ALL women suffer and get forced to do porn, and that is debatable.
How can we measure that they all suffer? We can't. And sure, there are women that get forced into making hardcore scenes, and who's to blame here? The porn industry or the country/society that she lives on? This is like saying that Industries are bad because they exploit people, but you don't factor in Capitalism or the whole system.
I can't argue more since I'm against time, but I refuse to belive that all women suffer because of porn.

[Anonymous No.7430422]

>>7430419
>Your post asumes that ALL women suffer and get forced to do porn
Not that person, but I don't see how it does.

[Anonymous No.7430423]

>>7430404
You're a fucking idiot. ATTACK THE PREMISE, NOT THE MOTIVES. Argue why porn is bad, not why people watch it.

[Anonymous No.7430425]

>>7430419
They all do. You don't need to fucking logically prove it for it to be true. It is true, and we need to work on ways to stop it.

[Anonymous No.7430430]

>>7430419
You said that porn doesn't contribute to suffering whatsoever and now you move the goalpost by saying "all" women don't.

Once again, fuck off with your self-righteous bullshit. You watch porn because you want to fap. You don't care about the women who hurt because of the industry or the consequences as a result of commodification of intercourse.

[Anonymous No.7430432]

>>7430392
Bitch, 1/3 people have psychological problems. And more construction workers get hurt. Stop treating women like children.

[Anonymous No.7430435]

>>7430417
How so? If your goal is to reduce so-called suffering, why start with pornography when immoral, coercive, and exploitative farming practices are literally 500,000 times more common than the abuses in the pornographic industry? It's such a small-minded Western preoccupation.

[Anonymous No.7430437]

>>7430435
/thread

[Anonymous No.7430439]

>>7430425
>You don't need to fucking logically prove it for it to be true.
LMAO

pack up we're done here

[Anonymous No.7430440]

Do those of you who see porn as somehow damaging see porn that depicts a mutual, loving type relationship as also damaging? What about hentai that does the same?
Is the issue that porn tends to treat women as an object? Or is the actual depiction of sexual activity whats damaging?

[Anonymous No.7430441]

>>7430423
There have been several arguments in this thread of why porn can cause bad things and why the industry has been doing bad things.

You're a fucking idiot because I'm not "attacking the people who watch it". I'm telling you to own up to it instead of using BS justifications.

[Anonymous No.7430443]

>>7430425
>THIS IS TRUE, JUST TRUST ME. WHAT ARE YOU, A WOMAN-HATING MISOGYNIST?

Yes, very convincing.

[Anonymous No.7430445]

>>7430435
>your problems don't matter because other people have it worse

[Anonymous No.7430447]

This thread made my day

[Anonymous No.7430448]

>>7430440
It causes severe PTSD in women, both involved in the porn and out of it.

[Anonymous No.7430455]

>>7430441
There isn't a single argument as to why porn "can cause bad things" to use your vague statement. If objectification were immoral than pic related would be damaging to men

[Anonymous No.7430457]

>>7430445
More along the lines of "your problems are miniscule and barely relevant, so the majority of people won't care".

[Anonymous No.7430458]

>>7430445
>I stubbed my toe this morning, ah shit that hurts
>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THE EMERGENCY ROOM IS FULL

[Anonymous No.7430460]

>>7430455
>exploiting living people is the same as making statues or paintings of them

[Anonymous No.7430461]

>>7430448
Do you have study that isn't self-selected that proves this?

[Anonymous No.7430467]

>>7430461
I'm not talking to you.

[Anonymous No.7430470]

>>7430458
>false equivalence

[Anonymous No.7430472]

>>7430460
Writing a pornographic novel about Mary-Jane Fuckslut getting railed in all 10 holes is still exploitation even if Mary-Jane Fuckslut never existed.

[Anonymous No.7430475]

>>7430460
Would it be different if the person you modeled your art after is real?

[Anonymous No.7430477]

>>7430470
>fallacy fallacy

[Anonymous No.7430478]

>>7430477
>fallacy fallacy

[Anonymous No.7430479]

>>7430467
You could have just said "no, I don't have evidence"

[Anonymous No.7430483]

>>7430477
Why should I defend opinions that I don't hold or idiotic things that you say?

You don't have an argument except being an emotional reactionary because a couple people on a Mongolian dishwashing forum have stated that porn has some negative consequences.

[Anonymous No.7430484]

>>7430478
>fallacy fallacy fallacy

[Anonymous No.7430486]

What if the woman genuinely gets off on people watching her have sex and enjoys working in porn?

[Anonymous No.7430487]

>>7430484
>"fallacy" + n*"fallacy"

[Anonymous No.7430490]

>>7430483
I'm not the guy your shitposting with. I'm just mixing spices into the shitpost stew.

[Anonymous No.7430491]

>>7430483
rekt

[Anonymous No.7430492]

>>7430483
The negative consequences of porn are _________

[Anonymous No.7430495]

>>7430491
Hello reddit, was that an epic pwn?

[Anonymous No.7430497]

>>7430492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography

[Anonymous No.7430501]

>>7430497
So basically nothing solid or agreed by consensus? Noice

[Anonymous No.7430502]

>>7430487
>>7430484
>>7430478
>>7430477
>>7430470

[Anonymous No.7430505]

>>7430501
>I don't know how to read.
Noice.

[Anonymous No.7430511]

>>7430497
All the result of an essentially illicit industry. Legalize it and all these problems go away.

>Why are there so many consequences to operating in the American hemp industry? Oh gee, I wonder.

[Anonymous No.7430514]

>>7430505
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.7430519]

>>7430511
>Legalize it and all these problems go away.
Porn isn't illegal mate.

[Anonymous No.7430524]

>>7430514
prove it -_- (i love esfores maymays tbqh) :^)

[Anonymous No.7430531]

>>7430524
I know you are but what am I :)

[Anonymous No.7430537]

>>7430497
Many of those anti-porn studies are useless because they don't control for genetics. So there's no way of knowing whether people who are more likely to commit sexual violence watch porn more often in the first place (the inherent aspect that causes a person to do one causes him to do the other), or whether watching the porn itself does.

[Anonymous No.7430543]

>>7430537
Look at STIs in the porn industry.

Oh and if you want to go the unfalsifiable genetic presupposition route, what if there is some sort of genetic association between wanting to be sexually stimulated often, which porn gives, and committing sexual violence?

[Anonymous No.7430544]

>>7430497
>In an earlier review of this literature Ferguson and Hartley (2009) argued that "it is time to discard the hypothesis that pornography contributes to increased sexual assault behavior".[32] They stated that the authors of some studies tended to highlight positive findings while deemphasizing null findings, demonstrating confirmation bias in the published literature. Ferguson and Hartley concluded that controlled studies, on balance, were not able to support links between pornography and sexual violence.

Cool, I guess i'll start watching porn again

[Anonymous No.7430546]

>>7430519
The consequences of producing and viewing make it so it might as well be. Just bear witness to this thread, where anti-porn fellows consider pornography of any kind to be a font of the Antichrist.

[Anonymous No.7430547]

>>7430544
Go ahead. The less idiots on /lit/, the better.

[Anonymous No.7430550]

"There is no diagnosis of pornography addiction in the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the DSM-5).[12] The DSM-5 considers such diagnosis and rejects it because "there is insufficient peer-reviewed evidence to establish the diagnostic criteria and course descriptions needed to identify these behaviors as mental disorders." "

[Anonymous No.7430555]

>>7430550
>I'll accentuate things that support my view even though I got BTFO because porn clearly has some negative consequences.

[Anonymous No.7430556]

Ok I'm bored so I'm going to just do a chronological rebuttal of every stupid thing i read in her book as i come along.

>Feminists try hard to fight for women at the same time maintaining special loyalties to subgroups of men. How could we not?
Categorically wrong. Feminists (as is often the case today) purport and -in some cases do- work towards helping men as well as women. There are also political lesbians as well as actual lesbians. In all cases its not particularly hard to actually uphold the ideals you pretend to support if you actually have a strength of conviction.

> I have seen a legal system designed to protect male privilege work to do just that. I have seen a generation of antirape activists
and antibattery activists sit through trials of guilty men who almost always
walk.
Good. As it should be. As the saying goes, it is better for 1000 guilty men to walk than for one innocent to be convicted. The presumption of innocence has existed since the rule or law in JUSTINIAN's time. The rest of her following observations are unapplicable to the modern era, projected rate of male rape and unreporting is spurious at best and isn't cited or referenced anyways.

>Israel both embodies and protects male Jews
Obviously, its a state build off a chauvinistic religion, who'da thunk it?

>Brutality was a synonym for strength, order for society
Brutality by its definition is something that requires someone to have power over the other. Its obvious why this interpretation would happen. Order is contingent on the imposition of power: again, obvious.

>hitler saw emotional masses as feminine
Wew lad. Go figure that a 1930s ideologue had regressive ideas on femininity, must be so relevant today. inb4 current politicans and theologians in the states. No one cares. Look at polls among young people and you'll see that views have progressively changed. This being said, there's biological precedents that dictate this stereotype: women are factual more predisposed to crying, women are factually weaker, women are more predisposed to bouts of emotion while on their period, etc.

>“the Fuhrer’s rigorous, clean-living masculinity,
When you go to the trouble to try and prove how strength, order, and resolve are attributed to masculinity this compliment is moot. And again, you're taking the word of nazis in nazi germany. If you had compliments from the Allies side of his "masculinity" than perhaps it would be a more evocative statement, but its obvious that sycophants are going to compliment Hitler whoever they expect him to want to be complimented. Unsurprisingly men like to be complimented on masculinity (especially in an era where it has positive characteristics) and women like to be complimented on femininity.

>This was the Fatherland, not girlie Mother Russia
Post hoc, ergo propter hock. In reality, the "fatherland" was a nationalistic propaganda response to the motherland name. I think we can all agree that using the same reference as the enemy is bad

[Anonymous No.7430557]

>>7430543
>go the unfalsifiable genetic presupposition route
It isn't unfalsifiable. You can do twin and adoption studies.

>what if there is some sort of genetic association between wanting to be sexually stimulated often, which porn gives, and committing sexual violence?
Cool. You can't legislate unproven theories, though.

[Anonymous No.7430558]

>>7430550
I feel like I'm pretty addicted

honestly I think marijuana and porn are the two biggest factors that have developed me into the bland person I am today

[Anonymous No.7430559]

>>7430555
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.7430561]

>>7430558
Gonna be something deeper than that my man.

[Anonymous No.7430563]

>>7430555
>it doesn't cause rape
>it isn't addictive
So what's wrong with it? Porn stars get STDs?

[Anonymous No.7430566]

>>7430563
It causes Patriarchal Traumatic Stress Disorder

[Anonymous No.7430568]

>>7430563
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=abuse+in+porn+industry
Keep moving those goal posts though.

[Anonymous No.7430569]

>>7430563
>>it isn't addictive
that just seems crazy to me. I thought pornography addiction was pretty commonly known

[Anonymous No.7430573]

>>7430569
>pornography addiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_addiction

[Anonymous No.7430575]

>>7430568
That's idiotic. Abuse in porn isn't inherent to the act of making porn. If there's abuse in porn, then the abuse itself should be dealt with.

[Anonymous No.7430578]

>>7430197
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[Anonymous No.7430585]

>>7430568
He's not moving the goalposts you idiot. The Wikipedia article barely had any evidence in favour of your position.

>>7430573
So christianity causes porn addiction; Dawkins was right all along.

[Anonymous No.7430591]

>>7430585
>what negative consequences of porn are there?
>here are some
>o-oh, um, well there aren't enough for me to consider porn as having negative consequences!

[Anonymous No.7430593]

>>7430585
desu sometimes I wonder if my Christian upbringing is a big part of my guilt/depression after watching a bunch of porn

or if I would just feel that way anyway

[Anonymous No.7430594]

>>7430591
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.7430597]

>>7429596
Sexual intimacy is pretty evil

[Anonymous No.7430603]

>>7430593
I can see how it would play a part; I used to feel bad about tossing over Asian traps, now that I've seen through the societal spooks, I'm happy.

[Anonymous No.7430609]

>>7430603
I donno, it just feels like it's fucked up my notions of intimacy, I can't really explain it.

[Anonymous No.7430612]

this pretty much convinced me that porn has a net bad. i'm just going to stick with hentai then.

[Anonymous No.7430618]

>>7430609
There's a lot more things in the mix I'd bet, our experience and perceptions are influenced by many a thing.

[Anonymous No.7430619]

Is it possible to think that both porn is bad and that Andrea Dworkin is an evil moonbat?

[Anonymous No.7430624]

>>7430619
Sure, why not? There are other groups that would oppose porn and Dworkin, notably religious groups.

[Anonymous No.7430635]

I only wank over Vincentcc and my instagram feed, I'm a moral paradigm

[Anonymous No.7430653]

>>7430635
I also occasionally jerk off to my IG feed

it's crazy how thong bikinis are becoming common here in the states

[Anonymous No.7430654]

>Hitler parlayed men’s fear of other men into an aggression that degraded and destroyed most of Europe, including, of course, Germany itself.
And yet she has already established the dehumanizing and parasitic propaganda that was erected. How is one to feel like fulfilled "man" with his masculinity affirmed if he's to be killing or victimizing an enemy that's seen as a rat or bug? You're talking about a volatile political climate that's undergone unwarranted subjection because of the treaty of Versailles. Within the political climate the degree to which supposedly masculine undertones played a part are negligible. Similarly, the proposition that women were relegated to more conventionally feminine positions to affirm masculinity completely ignores the very real utilitarian purpose of simplying BIRTH. To be able to sustain a massive industrial-war machine there needed to be children birthed constantly. This also works in conjunction with the racially charged ideology. Both utterly blot out the supposed significance of masculinity in this dimension outside of a surface appearance for the purpose of deceit.

>understood how deeply pleasurable
it is to have the power of life and death in your hands
Except that it isn't. Studies have routinely demonstrated that soldiers intentionally aim not to kill (at least in WW1-2). Unless they are SPECIFICALLY and RIGOROUSLY trained to kill, and unless they dehumanize the enemy, it is in no way ordinary for men to want or be used to killing.

>[liberals have not reckoned with the male loathing of peace and domesticity or with the anger of young males at the modern state s confiscation of their weapons.
And yet the majority of the world was fighting against Germany and Japan as part of a DEMOCRACY.

> Ignatieff is positing a biological male violence that is angry at both order and civilization; and the great achievement of peace in Europe
Again there's a whole-sale ignorance of the geo-political and racial influences involved as well as the profound misery and psychology of the wars.

Is this retard honestly arguing that the soldiers of WW2 enjoyed fighting? Or that their eventual dehumanization of violence/the enemy was anything other than a coping mechanism to reconcile the CONSTANT fear and violence they undergone (something that is easily evident in rates of alcoholism and PTSD).

>How much of the pleasure is in the power per se, especially in humiliating a designated enemy, creating terror, lording it over the less powerful? Is power the foreplay and killing the act?
Idiotic. Again, attributing WW2 to masculinity and at the same time seeming to work under the premise that violence is so rampant in society that it's normal or "pleasurable".

Go ask how many people you know have been in a fight or been assaulted. Now ask if they enjoyed it. Ask murderers. Ask soldiers. Look at the rate of these crimes. THEN go beyond that and transcend "masculinity" as synonymous with testosterone vs masculinity as concep

[Anonymous No.7430657]

Rape has gone down since the rise of porn

[Anonymous No.7430663]

>>7430654
Is she really blaming Nazism on masculinity?

[Anonymous No.7430665]

>>7430657
"Causation is not correlation" meme. Other studies are inconclusive meme. blah blah blah

[Anonymous No.7430705]

Porn only reinforces the tinychat power structure.

[Anonymous No.7430709]

>>7430663
Seems so. Primarily. The part i quoted is a part she was quoting in her book though.

I'm still reading one section, so far it seems ever more retarded, her theses are constantly self-refuting.

>with patriarchy intact women are raped and murdered; with patriarchy “eroded” women are raped and murdered.
I think that any reasonable person would take that as evidence that masculinity CANT be the dominating factor here.

If you eliminate masculinity's influence and it causes rape, and then HAVE it and it causes rape. How the fuck can it be masculinity's fault then?

Furthermore, she's starting to correlate the revolt of Warsaw Jews as an uprising of masculinity, yadayada etc. Its hilarious because one of her first statements is that she believes that pacifism can't always be a good idea and that aggression and self-defense (for women) is a good idea.

And yet some how she is still arguing that the Nazis and Jews were going through masculine displays and affirmations in trying to fight through war. Are women affirming their masculinity by trying to fight back? Because the obvious fact is that Nazi germany made propaganda to MAKE Germany feel like a victim of others such that "self-defense" could be justified.

And obviously the Jews were more interested in fucking self-preservation than "masculinity". Sure, could it be a byproduct of defending themselves? She's already said that masculinity (back then) was associated (as is obvious) with strength, order, and resolve (all positive qualities). So why wouldn't the jews embrace these qualities?

Its even more of a clusterfuck though because even if they supported any of these qualities i'm sure that Dworkin would extrapolate that to masculinity, and vice versa. Its almost incomprehensible non-sense.

[Anonymous No.7430730]

Has McElroy been mentioned once in this thread?

[Anonymous No.7430735]

>>7430730
>I don't know how to use a computer.

[Anonymous No.7430737]

>>7430730
No, but why?

[Anonymous No.7430745]

>>7430663
ROFL.

New best part:
>The Hebrew word kibush, which is the most commonly used term for the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, is also used to describe conquest either of a military target or of a woman’s heart.
Wew laddie, go figure that when you use a word synonymous to "possess" or to "occupy" it can be used on women AND territory! I guess that just means that men fucking hate women eh?

>This common practice implies that women, like military targets, must be protected so that they ill not be conquered or controlled by the enemy
(on naming targets after women). Even more dank memes man. I guess women are just so victimized and devalued that its worth risking your life and using them as the motivation for war and possible death.

Fuck women care so little about men they essentially pin their life and military dangers around them. After all, if men LIKED women there's no way they'd be using men's name for their missions and intentions - that'd be too disparaging i guess.

She also goes on to imply that using the name of loved ones (women) in these missions and interventions implies possession (citation needed?).

She's also claimed that women were evicted from military positions except that they appear not to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

And also ignoring -again- the political climate. During Israel's first founding they'd have needed every man and woman to fight in a desperate self-defensive war. But the subsequent ones have found them progressively more advanced and thus not in need of endangering the gender they clearly value, and which is integral to keeping the war-machine running.

But of course Judaism as a religion is going to instill masculine ideals on a religiously founded state.

[Anonymous No.7430750]

>>7430745
Israel is evil.

[Anonymous No.7430768]

>>7430750
nice meme

[Anonymous No.7430773]

>>7430768
It is though.

[Anonymous No.7430783]

>>7430709
>>7430745
With all this meming about Dworkin i'm glad that someone is actually bothering to read her and articulate why she's crazy. I'm too busy reading stuff I actually want to read

[Anonymous No.7430790]

>>7430773
i know

[Anonymous No.7430798]

>>7430773
Palestine treats women and gays like actual garbage. If Israel were to take the territories and force everyone living in them to abide by Israeli laws the world would be a happier place.

[Anonymous No.7430801]

>>7430798
What Hamas does doesn't excuse Israel.

[Anonymous No.7430817]

>>7430783
np brah.

I do genuinely believe in reading and giving voice to the opposition, but i don't think i needed to even waste what little time i spent on her. She's clearly someone that's so immersed in her own ideology that any evidence against her becomes MORE evidence for her etc.

When you're writing an essay or any type of critical literature its best to anticipate dissent and criticism and yet I have yet to see any voice of the counter-argument. She doesn't seem to grant any platform to opposition because she sees herself as infallible.

From now on I'll just cite her glossing over of WW2's political dimension in favor of "toxic masculinity" as reason enough that she's retarded. And of course she doesn't really cite much at all.

Yeah great you got a quote that refers to Hitler as a guy that's extra manly, where does that get us? That sycophants will compliment a person on a quality that they value? Great observation, trying to prove such a generalized theses as violence = masculinity and women = holocaust jews or some shit like that is almost doomed to fail.

[Anonymous No.7430841]

>>7430801
What Israel does is often in reaction to the incompatibility created by Hamas. Someone needs to win the stalemate if we want peace.

[Anonymous No.7430862]

>>7429686
>>7430079

[Anonymous No.7431120]

>>7430179
>other people have it worse than you so your problems don't matter AS MUCH
fixd u selfish cunt

[Anonymous No.7431133]

>>7430294
Try harder

[Anonymous No.7431146]

I'm right wing as fuck and I oppose porn
anyone reasonable should

[Anonymous No.7431154]

>>7430337
>four or five dworks
Lmao
One

[Anonymous No.7431204]

>>7430330
It's somebody testing the performance of a style of weaponised feminist rhetoric in a notoriously anti-feminist environment.

On less anonymous websites support for the dwrkinpostr would likely have poured in early on. People would be getting labeled as womanhating potential rapists and shit

The flavor of drama it has created on /lit/ is, to my mind, probably less to the palate of the dwrkinpostr, and so it has switched to bald trolling and baiting, (self admitted) and has rendered everything it's said untrustworthy. Not that it seemed all that worthy to begin with.

[Anonymous No.7431259]

>>7429605
What about if my wife doesnt fuck me and I stay with her in a fake marriage so that my kids will at least have a chance at intimacy, but jerk off to porn in shame at night?

[Anonymous No.7431345]

What the fuck has happened to /lit/?

[Anonymous No.7431364]

>>7431345
/pol/ doesn't class during weekends

[Anonymous No.7431394]

>>7431345
A few trolls have been "endorsing" batshit crazy "philosophers." The rabble that have invaded in the past few months see these shitposts from time to time and rejoice in the prospect of yet another agreement hole in which they can freely defecate without opposition.

4chan is genuinely on its last legs.

[Anonymous No.7431400]

>>7430558
describe your relationship with your mother

[Anonymous No.7431427]

>>7431394
People have been saying that "last legs" shit for years.

[Anonymous No.7431429]

>>7431394
4chan was on its last legs in 2008 with Chanology shit

[Anonymous No.7431431]

>>7431427
hence my qualifier senpai

[Anonymous No.7431435]

>>7431431
>genuinely on its last legs
I see no qualifier tbqh.

[Anonymous No.7431442]

You know not all porn is some dude trying to shove his cock as far as he can down a girl's throat, right? I hate stuff like that. But I'm a busy person and don't have time to go tripping over myself trying to find an intimate relationship every time I want to bust a nut. And I'm sure as hell not going to rip the skin off my dick desperately trying to imagine a sexual encounter in my head when I could just do it visually.

[Anonymous No.7431443]

>>7431435
in the archaic sense of the word
"genuine"

[Anonymous No.7431609]

bump

[Anonymous No.7431871]

Jesus Christ, has /lit/ always been this SJW or it the hottest new meme?

[Anonymous No.7431884]

>>7431871
yes we have you can go now

[Anonymous No.7431892]

>>7431871
8gag got BTFO and apparently it shut down recently so le leftypol army have been occupying /lit/ fulltime. at least now they cant coordinate except for IRC

[Anonymous No.7431894]

True patricians don't watch porn nor masturbate, they fuck their girlfriends.

[Anonymous No.7431898]

>>7431894
Celibacy is utmost patrician.

[Anonymous No.7431910]

>>7430157

woah that spoiler was intense

wasn't ready for that shit

[Anonymous No.7431925]

>>7430258

You can thank /pol/ for that.

The libertine days are over for /lit/. We just have bitter and boring reactionaries now.

[Anonymous No.7431932]

>>7430157
thing is she never really accepted the fact that she choice abusive men, which is why she's so angry and resentful. i just feel the dishonest resentment of a slave in all her shit

[Anonymous No.7431936]

>>7431894

>this milquetoast reddit fag right here

patricians fuck endless whores and then marry into high society.

[Anonymous No.7431957]

TRUE patricians fuck and get fucked on a regular basis. sexuality is but a fluid they swim through with the grace of a barracuda.

one minute you're fucking some hot old duchess and then her husband comes into the room and sticks his finger up your bum. you turn and suck passionately on his upper lip. soon the orgy is going in full swing, mannequins, statues, children, animals nothing is taboo social constructs are being torn down in a raw expression of the collective id. fucking violently in a mass pile of limbs like some twisted chimera while you're on so many substances you can't concentrate to move.

[Anonymous No.7431965]

>>7430405
I can see why you're a virgin.

[Anonymous No.7431981]

>>7431925
>everything is /pol/

[Anonymous No.7431984]

>>7431981
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7431991]

>>7431984
>>>/lit/

[Anonymous No.7431995]

>>7431925
marxism is boring and even more tedious is post-modern identity bullshit, people are becoming more reactionary because it's the only thing that's interesting after 150 years of resentiment we've come full circle, at this stage of history taking responsibility for your own life is a radical act

[Anonymous No.7431999]

>>7431995
>taking responsibility
Nice spook.

[Anonymous No.7432001]

>>7431995
i wonder if you people actually gave each other this stalinist party line or whether you're the same autist in multiple

[Anonymous No.7432040]

>>7431999
>blaming things outside yourself for your self

looks like you're the spooklord, try learning to think, oh wait, if you could think you wouldn't meme stirner all day like a teen

[Anonymous No.7432055]

>>7432040

>guy who clearly hasn't understood stirner trying to use him in a smack down

fucking hell.. this board...

[Anonymous No.7432059]

>>7430305
pretty much

[Anonymous No.7432062]

>>7432055
>anything i don't like is a spook

yes, yes, clearly that's what stirner meant

[Anonymous No.7432063]

>>7429596
As does all extra-marital sex.

Is /lit/ a puritan board now?

[Anonymous No.7432069]

>>7432055
>using a minor hegelian to justify being a loser

stay spooked

[Anonymous No.7432070]

>>7432062

>this sidestep

actually read him you dumbass

[Anonymous No.7432082]

>>7429659
>let me disregard the emotional and psychological aspects of sexual intercourse and commodify the act to profit over it and exploit women and men's desire for intimacy!
That's what relationships already do. All you progressives actually mean to do is eliminate the ability of the inept to fill their needs on their own so that they may be more easily socially exploited, ie. freindzoned.

[Anonymous No.7432089]

>>7430314
>At the moment it is a tool of patriarchal power structures.
The human system is inherently patriarchal. It is the result of the sexual dimorphism we demonstrate.

Stop pretending it's some insidious thing.

[Anonymous No.7432094]

>>7432069

>denial mode loser shitposting on 4chan like all the rest

beyond spooked

[Anonymous No.7432098]

>>7432070
i read him and it was beyond stupid, if you want people to not lose all respect for you then you should not encourage anyone to actually read that clown, but really i think maybe you didn't read him because you seem to think anything that involves you getting off the couch and not being a lil bitch in your momma's basement is a spook

[Anonymous No.7432107]

>>7432040
You're such a dumbass. Read Stirner next time instead of crying like a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.7432114]

>>7429571
each day i download 500mb of porn that I never watch

[Anonymous No.7432117]

>>7432098

>compulsively shitposts on 4chan
>can't accept the hypocrisy of his lol tier bants

[Anonymous No.7432130]

>>7430750
as the jews invented good and evil israel cannot be anything other than good

[Anonymous No.7432135]

>>7431999
>Implying
Everything is a spook, but those things which genuine benefit you, such as personal responsibility, were valuable by Stirner's own assessment.

[Anonymous No.7432141]

>>7431957
>TRUE patricians fuck and get fucked on a regular basis. sexuality is but a fluid they swim through with the grace of a barracuda.
true patricians are not fucked. only americans betas think that women can fuck men.

[Anonymous No.7432145]

>>7432040
>>7431995
>responsibility
What alone can our teaching be? – That no one gives a man his qualities, neither God, nor society, nor his parents and ancestors, nor he himself (the latter absurd idea here put aside has been taught as "intelligible freedom" by Kant, perhaps also by Plato). No one is responsible for existing at all, for being formed so and so, for being placed under those circumstances and in this environment. His own destiny cannot be disentangled from the destiny of all else in past and future. He is not the result of a special purpose, a will, or an aim, the attempt is not here made to reach an "ideal of man," an "ideal of happiness," or an "ideal of morality;" – it is absurd to try to shunt off man's nature towards some goal. We have invented the notion of a "goal:" in reality a goal is lacking . . . We are necessary, we are part of destiny, we belong to the whole, we exist in the whole, – there is nothing which could judge, measure, compare, or condemn our being, for that would be to judge, measure, compare, and condemn the whole . . . But there is nothing outside the whole! – This only is the grand emancipation: that no one be made responsible any longer, that the mode of being be not traced back to a causa prima, that the world be not regarded as a unity, either as sensorium or as "spirit;" – it is only thereby that the innocence of becoming is again restored . . . The concept of "God" has hitherto been the greatest objection to existence . . . We deny God, we deny responsibility by denying God: it is only thereby that we save the world.

[Anonymous No.7432152]

True patrians will appreciate this:

http://efukt.com/21154_Buffalo_Billy's_Bath_Salt_Adventure.html

[Anonymous No.7432158]

>>7432145
That hard determinism is the law of the land is not to say one must not direct their energy to the best of their ability in order for the collective best outcome to be realized.

[Anonymous No.7432165]

>>7429571
Literally the two worst feminists and the ones that give all the reasonable ones a bad name.

[Anonymous No.7432268]

>>7430556
>tip top kEk

[Anonymous No.7432338]

>>7431442
>some dude trying to shove his cock as far as he can down a girl's throat, right? I hate stuff like that.

I actually find that to be like, my preferred stuff.
I'm conflicted on it, because even though there are plenty of women who enjoy rough sex, porn makes it look like it's ALL of them who do. Which is kind of fucked I think.

The other day I took adderall to finish a final assignment and ended up jerking it for like 8 hours (people who have done this will know what I'm talking abt), and then I lost out on sleep and my head basically just swimmed with these visions. That event has kind of led me to the realization that it's kind of fucked watching women getting fucked on a regular basis. I don't like having those images in my head when I interact with women IRL, I think it's damaging to my normal, sociable self and the interaction is sort of mediated by the possibility of sex.

tl'dr, I'm quitting porn, I don't think it inspires a healthy view of women, I do not think navigating life with the idea women are just 4 sex at the front of my mind is healthy

[Anonymous No.7432340]

>>7432338
Lol faggot

[Anonymous No.7432358]

>>7432340
If you can simultaneously be a ladies man and watch a lot of porn, than that's cool. I want to at least try giving it up and see if my fear of chatting with strange grills goes away. Why shouldn't it? I think if I'm not thinking about fucking them or them wanting to fuck me I'll be more relaxed, just enjoying life, not wanting anything in return, and that's an attractive quality in anyone

[Anonymous No.7432447]

>>7432358
I don't see why you should apologize or try to suppress what is clearly a fetish.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a girl that had a bdsm fetish and was really happy that she found 'this really sick stuff' on his computer, She was really happy that 'someone was as fucked up' as she was.

Every relationship is about dominance. Trying to get rid of it is idiotic. What is needed is an acceptance of trade-offs within a relationship where women have equal bargaining power.

I again don't see how satisfying your fantasy by porn-masturbation is a bad thing as far as your sexual health is concerned.

Repression is the wrong apporach.

[Anonymous No.7433724]

>>7430502
You don't know what the fallacy fallacy actually is, do you?

Because the author of that comic apparently doesn't.

[Anonymous No.7433733]

>>7431932
She chose one fucking man, who was the batterer.

I don't think she "chose" her molester, her rapists at the detainment center, or the rapists of all the women she worked with.

There's one teacher she and her classmates would fuck around with in school, when they were teenagers. She says she has some sort of love-hate relationship with that dude, because he exploited them, but there was no outright violence or anything, you can read from her tone that to some degree she does indeed admit having been seduced, which doesn't make his deeds any more acceptable.

You should really read Dworkin. Her anger isn't of the puritanical/unaccepting kind. It's from genuine experiences from having lived out the whole "sexual liberation" thing.